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[Q] The new Galaxy Tab 3

I just purchased the new Galaxy tab3 7.0 (SM-T210R) and am trying to root it. I was wondering if it is in the works or not? Or if it can be rooted using the same method as the Tab2? Thanks in advance.

my guess Is yes it can be rooted. but I am too inexperienced to go at it before the tutorials come out. does yours kick the internet out after being idle like mine does?

I suggest checking the Galaxy Tab 3 forum thread, you'll better luck there than here. Pretty sure it'll follow the typical means for samsung devices. Using odin, flashing a file over to give root.

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Thanks for the responses. I haven't been able to find any forums or threads on the Tab3. Doesn't mean there isn't one, just that I can't find it. I will just wait patiently for a tutorial to come out before I attempt any flashing. I rooted my Galaxy epic touch 4g, and kinda created a monster in myself and can't stand not being able to have control of my devices. Really want to get rid of all the bloatware and load my rooted apps onto my Tab3. Thanks again!

Same boots as this guy
dbommer said:
Thanks for the responses. I haven't been able to find any forums or threads on the Tab3. Doesn't mean there isn't one, just that I can't find it. I will just wait patiently for a tutorial to come out before I attempt any flashing. I rooted my Galaxy epic touch 4g, and kinda created a monster in myself and can't stand not being able to have control of my devices. Really want to get rid of all the bloatware and load my rooted apps onto my Tab3. Thanks again!
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But judging by some of the antipathy for this model we may have to wait a bit for the rooting to get done.:crying:

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ICAMP said:
But judging by some of the antipathy for this model we may have to wait a bit for the rooting to get done.:crying:
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Unfortunately, I agree. I'm in the same boat. I'd really like to see multi-user support on this thing. Just looking for a ROM that is supported for this device.

It´s a pity, I bought it like 3 weeks and something ago in Spain and I really like it, but I want to root it and finally see some scene on the works, but after seeing the feedback this device is having also on Spanish Community, I am starting to guess that it will be a long time wait...

Tab 3 waiting time
After reading a bit more about this item, and my own experiences, I think some of the static is justified. This is after all a budget entry level offering. A couple things that have really annoyed me are the internet for public wi-fi. At one time trying to access local coffee shop internet caused a kernel panic. Fun stuff. In general I have also found the internet, specifically chrome, to be so slow, almost to the point of uselessness. Tragic really.
I have a pair of Sennheiser buds with mic and volume control that don't work with this model, I suspect that I will find out that mic and external controls are not supported by this models jack.
And three mute controls?!!? Really?
I'm really looking forward to the rooting of this tablet so I can get the tools to iron out a few kinks, and clear out the deadwood, I hope it comes soon.

Lollipop for ALL Note 3 just released

Found this on Drip FOR N900 versions
Links to how and where to get it..
http://androidadvices.com/samsung-g...ler&utm_medium=Drippler&utm_campaign=Drippler
http://samsung-updates.com/details/40279/Galaxy_Note_3_Exynos/SM-N900/SER/N900XXUEBOA6.html
Note it may take a while to download, servers will be swamped !

It's only for the N900, not the N900A.

AUUUGGGHH
Still trying to find it for the 900a version...........

Still no luck finding a download for our 900A phones.
Wish they would stop dragging their feet and get the updates out to ALL providers, and out to ALL customers !

Spidious said:
Wish they would stop dragging their feet and get the updates out to ALL providers, and out to ALL customers !
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Samsung released it to AT&T a long time ago. AT&T likes to do extensive testing, so we don't end up screaming that our phones aren't working because Samsung made a typo. (Just look at all the threads on all the forums about problems with LolliFlop on other phones.)

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Samsung released it to AT&T a long time ago. AT&T likes to do extensive testing, so we don't end up screaming that our phones aren't working because Samsung made a typo. (Just look at all the threads on all the forums about problems with LolliFlop on other phones.)
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I am sure you are correct, but the testing is necessary only because of their bloatware that almost no one uses. I would pay a bit extra for AT&T to provide vanilla Android without all the bloat. They would make more $$ that way, in my opinion.

mnachazel said:
They would make more $$ that way, in my opinion.
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From the small minority of us who care, like those posting on forums. The majority of their customers couldn't care less. (Unlock the bootloader and they'd make even more - from us .

The only testing they're doing is to make sure all their bloatware runs correctly.
Although vzw rushed out LP to the S5 and reviews have been nothing but horrible!

joe3681 said:
The only testing they're doing is to make sure all their bloatware runs correctly.
Although vzw rushed out LP to the S5 and reviews have been nothing but horrible!
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And it was due to the Note 3 port, not the bloatware. I'd rather AT&T wait until at least 5.1, then test it extensively, and get all the remaining bugs out. I retired as an alpha tester long ago, and I got paid for doing it. I don't want to do it for free with a phone I bought from some company - it should work the first time. Which is why I'm still on 4.4.2, root and SafeStrap. The phone works, I can back up my whole data partition easily and I can flash any ROM I want (none so far - maybe Note 4 Evolution when they get the bugs out) that works with a locked bootloader. If the phone lasts, and it can still be used (my StarTAC, probably the best phone ever made, can't be activated any more, because phones have to have GPS now), it comes with me in the coffin, I don't need more phone. (It's not a phone, it's a Linux box that fits in my pocket - and it can do voice and text too.)

A company has a ton of customers. They are working on a project that affects their customers, their business and their bottom line.. They don't keep their customers in the loop. They don't announce deadlines, goals or objectives. They don't have the respect to even let us know about setbacks. It doesnt matter what the name of the company is, it sounds more like an issue of a company that should lose the respect of its customers and not a company to make excuses for. This behavior is inexcusable and unacceptable.

I know this is WAY off topic, but.
As a community at XDA we've gotten a one sided view of this. I've said this part before: As a community, XDA hosts around 5-6 million members, but this includes ALL devices, every single one of them. AT&T sold 10 million Note III's in the 1st month alone. So you can possibly get a feel of how minimal the Note III footprint is in the overall standing within the AT&T markets. We here are quite in the minority here at XDA in the grand scheme of things
Most people who own these devices (really any device for that matter) don't care about the latest and greatest ROM, when it comes out, or when it doesn't. They have a device, they need it to work the right way every time they try to do something with it; period, and no excuses.
They owe none of their customers any explanations as to the when/how/why/what, any upgrade comes out or doesn't for that matter. The amount of complaining would be off the charts if they pushed a release out without proper testing and it was a train wreck, or they said it would be coming out on "Date X" and they had to push back for some reason.
Sorry Mods for going off topic.....

Looks like Lollipop is out as of 3/24/2015.
I checked a little while ago and it is downloading now and on the charger at the same time. Maybe will have it on by tonight ?
Keeping fingers crossed ! It is a big download about 1.5 gig ? :good:

I did mine last night. Looks good so far
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Good so far...
Don't like their launcher set up. I use Go Launcher EX and have for a long time
Can't change the wallpaper on their launcher, no problem since I use EX
Don't think Do Not Disturb is working correctly ?
The other stuff, looks really nice and flows well...
And it is about 1.1 gig download, takes about a hour to totally install. Depending on your Internet speed. Plug it in why it is downloading, and it will be fully charged by the time it actually gets it all downloaded.......

So what is the real interest in the Tab A?

So, no matter the screen size, I'm trying to figure out the real interest level in the Tab A. Just looking at the various forums, there don't seem to be a lot of threads out there. Is it because the various screens sizes make it hard to discuss things in a singular forum? This is the first time I've gone to the apps or accessories forums and see very little activity.
Or am I senile and am looking at this too hard?

GrandAdmiral said:
So, no matter the screen size, I'm trying to figure out the real interest level in the Tab A. Just looking at the various forums, there don't seem to be a lot of threads out there. Is it because the various screens sizes make it hard to discuss things in a singular forum? This is the first time I've gone to the apps or accessories forums and see very little activity.
Or am I senile and am looking at this too hard?
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Despite all of them being designated as Tab A, they are different in the hardware department and not just the screen size, development-wise this makes it harder. Also it seems samsung isn't marketing these devices as much, so its not as popular as the S series.

Tab A is Sammy's more affordable line. You get a decent bang for the buck on the 10.1 Wi-Fi with SPen variant if bought at $249 like I did.
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I bought a Tab A 9.7" because it has an S-pen. After using the s-pen with my Note 7 I wanted one with a bigger screen. I love it, I use it at job sites for marking up plans and it works great.

jedld said:
Despite all of them being designated as Tab A, they are different in the hardware department and not just the screen size, development-wise this makes it harder. Also it seems samsung isn't marketing these devices as much, so its not as popular as the S series.
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So from a participating standpoint, do you think it would be more active of the different sizes had their own dedicated forums? I haven't had my 10.1 long, but I like it much better than the Note 10.1 I just retired. That thing is really old and I still see people posting in the forums.

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So from a participating standpoint, do you think it would be more active of the different sizes had their own dedicated forums? I haven't had my 10.1 long, but I like it much better than the Note 10.1 I just retired. That thing is really old and I still see people posting in the forums.
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I think this is what really happens to solid devices. I also haven't had my p585 for long but the device seems solid, apart from maybe rooting it to get rid of the ad, I don't really see any urge to improve in any department.

GrandAdmiral said:
So from a participating standpoint, do you think it would be more active of the different sizes had their own dedicated forums? I haven't had my 10.1 long, but I like it much better than the Note 10.1 I just retired. That thing is really old and I still see people posting in the forums.
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Like you, I too loved my n8013, especially the s-pen. The SM-P580 is a very worthy successor, and I now love it. I think there are a lot of people holding n8013s that will soon be looking for a successor.
More generally, I speculate (without any proof besides my opinion) that people care less about modding their tablets than their phones. Even if they use it a lot, for important things, the number of applications used is fewer than their phone. So, once they get root and a recovery that allows backups, they can get to a mostly satisfactory situtuation. We have that now (see my tutorial thread).
Just my opinions. Glad to see this discussion!

klaberte said:
Like you, I too loved my n8013, especially the s-pen. The SM-P580 is a very worthy successor, and I now love it. I think there are a lot of people holding n8013s that will soon be looking for a successor.
More generally, I speculate (without any proof besides my opinion) that people care less about modding their tablets than their phones. Even if they use it a lot, for important things, the number of applications used is fewer than their phone. So, once they get root and a recovery that allows backups, they can get to a mostly satisfactory situtuation. We have that now (see my tutorial thread).
Just my opinions. Glad to see this discussion!
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Good points. As time went on and it became obvious that Samsung was taking their hands off the n8013 I started modding and flashing ROMs, particularly CyanogenMod on it to keep it more up to date. I also have a great disdain for TouchWiz, so I had no problem getting rid of it.
There was just so much more activity with the Note, not just from a modding standpoint... apps and themes and wallpapers. There's not much discussion about accessories either.

Did you Root your T580? If so how did you?

I bought the SM-T285 because it's a branded 4G/LTE device for the sort of cost you'd normally be paying for a generic Chinese knock-off. OK, it only comes with 5.1.1 and 8Gb of internal memory, but rooting it's pretty straight forward and the OmniROM @jedld put together works solidly. Once the Lineage 14.1 ROM has fully working GPS, I'll be flashing it so I can run Android N.
The machine was bought to replace an aging Google Nexus (2012 model), and so about half the price, it's doing pretty well.

[N960U/U1/W][DISCUSSION][Close to rooting]

Hello Fellow XDA Users!
Some of you might remember me from over the years or maybe just from SamPWND root on the S8/S8+. I have had a number of devices since SamPWND with a few being Sammy's. I have been real busy with life and work but of course every spare time I get has been breaking Samsung devices!
I've found some exploits I never released publicly due to the devices being "unpopular" but figured since I am close now as well as what I have found so far most likely works on most Samsung devices (I've only tested on Tab S4 and N9 from Big Red) that I wouldn't keep this one away from everyone.
With that being said, I do not have FULL root yet but am very close. I wanted to create this thread as I don't have let's of free time these days to hopefully bounce ideas around to achieve our end goal a lot faster.
I am going to spare all the specific details to the masses but will let you know what I got so far. I prefer to collaborate over other applications that are more "real time" if there are any developers that read this then PM me and we can share contact info. If you just want to toss ideas in here then that is ok. I just don't want to have someone potentially take my hard work and claim it as their own before I can achieve root. I have been almost non stop since the N9 was released so you can understand hopefully why I want to be the one to bring root to you all!
With that being said, I will begin telling my story and what I have so far.
Some time last year I was working on another Sammy device after SamPWND as I wanted root of course. I spent weeks and weeks trying to find exploits until I finally did! For this time I wanted to see what Sammy would offer for it as it was a tablet, the XDA forum was deserted etc. They did pay out a 2500$ reward so it was ok.
The reason I bring this up is because the exploit plays a factor here as well. The exploit was a mix of SamPWND and SamFAIL as I used the same rooting script as SamPWND but with a custom partition that wasn't checked for integrity when flashing in ODIN.
On this partition there were some init rc scripts. I noticed these scripts could be executed on combo firmware as root user. This means I could mount the partition in Linux, modify the scripts to my liking, sparse it back up and flash in ODIN. Then I could execute them. Believe it or not, they were executed by entering a simple setprop command in ADB. So from start to finish I simply extracted this partition, modified the scripts to install root as well as packaged the root package in with the image, flash it and then execute an adb command and viola! I felt like a loser it took me so long to find yet was so simple to exploit.
This ties in to where I am at now. I spent months looking through various attack vectors with no luck due to enhanced security not just with Sammy but Android also. So one day last week I decided to take a look at combo firmware again. In no time I found something interesting and then I slapped myself for spending months again when I should have looked at init scripts first.
I found it on my Tab s4 initially but wanted to see if the same file was on my N9 on combo and it was!
The first script runs as system user. For some reason the entire folder it is in is world readable/writable which means there is a script I can modify. This one is not an init script but is a script none the less that runs as system user that I can modify and execute with a simple adb command. Of course we want root, not system so I keep looking.
So I started writing all sorts of scripts/commands and executing it as system user since it's better than running as shell user right? One day I decide I am going to try and change permissions on the entire device. To my surprise it actually changed permissions to ALOT of partitions/files including EFS. I start messing with efs but don't want to break my phone so I settled with backing it up, enabling hidden menu, changing my sales code, enabling factory test mode etc. Etc.
One day I decided to see if I could access the same scripts I used previously. The partition was not readable (perms denied) so initially I thought it was a dead end. Then for some reason I tried to go into the sub-directory where I knew the scripts were and guess what!? The parent directory perms were not changed but its sub directories were! Now I am somewhere I have been before and now I have some scripts that I know are executed by init and as root and how to trigger them.
I spent over a week and all my spare time trying to gain full root but progress is slow moving due to new security. I can make a script that backs up every partition on the device, mounts "most" partitions as rw, dd magisk boot images (of course secure check fail due to locked bl but I had to try lol), create folders and push files to roots etc. Etc. Its basically like having full root but you have to run it in a script for everything you do.
Since we have locked bootloaders, we cannot boot modified boot.img. There's also more security causing me to have issues with system root. One of those issues is the fact that system, vendor and odm partitions cause the kernel to panic instantly as soon as they are mounted.
I managed to force some stuff quickly before the crash but they also have something called "secure write protect" which basically backs out anything you might have written before it reboots. I have tried installing chains systemless root and even tried to install magisk without modifying the boot but I am just getting frustrated and tired.
One thing I am currently trying is a safestrap recovery. The end goal is to try and get a GSI on that is pre rooted. Yes, I also tried to dd a gsi and tried with a file manager... it appears to write but it doesn't. I think there is some security going on as it along with odm and vendor are "protected" partitions.
I can modify rootfs and just about every other partition on the device with ease but haven't successfully gained root via su or magisk etc. Some stuff will cause device to boot with good old custom unlock splash screen and even say custom and custom binary in ODIN. That plus it being project treble certified indicates we shouldn't have any issues using GSI's and more soon as we can get ot nailed down!
So in a nutshell, I now have the ability to do almost anything as root user using init scripts on our locked bootloader devices but we only have a little bit left to go in figuring out how to get su binaries onto the device thanks to sammy and googs enhanced security updates.
Hopefully this gets the convo going and I wanted everyone to know that it's not "impossible" and now seems like a guarantee! Let's get some ideas going in here on this last hurdle! If you are a developer please also PM me as I tend to forget to check xda sometimes plus I like a more real time conversation when it comes to this stuff.
We are almost there!
Donation Link: https://forum.xda-developers.com/donatetome.php?u=3812611

Forgot as a reminder that I can confirm the scripts there on tab s4 and n9 combos.. it's very likely they are present on S9/S9+ also and potentially other devices but they will need to be confirmed once we get to that point.

Was just barely reading up on Samsung defex security.. hope that's not the problem since only fix I can find requires hex patching the boot.img

so i noticed you gave quite a lot of info without going too much into details. i understand that you don't want anyone to steal your ideas and take credit.
would be a shame to get root.
and not get the credit where it is due..
now, that being said, isn't making these statements public open up the door for samsung to notice these possible exploits and patch them up for good? thus rendering all your efforts in vain? As even if the details were kept at a minimum from kangers to use them, the samsung devs can probably read through the lines quite easily.
anyways, hope your effort will bare fruit for as long as it is possible.( samfail lasted what 3 or 4 months? before patches made it too difficult to keep up)
Regards

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so i noticed you gave quite a lot of info without going too much into details. i understand that you don't want anyone to steal your ideas and take credit.
would be a shame to get root.
and not get the credit where it is due..
now, that being said, isn't making these statements public open up the door for samsung to notice these possible exploits and patch them up for good? thus rendering all your efforts in vain? As even if the details were kept at a minimum from kangers to use them, the samsung devs can probably read through the lines quite easily.
anyways, hope your effort will bare fruit for as long as it is possible.( samfail lasted what 3 or 4 months? before patches made it too difficult to keep up)
Regards
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I can see where youre coming from but I dont think they can glean exactly what I have as theres are probably hundreds of scripts throughout the system.
Also, this approach is far from new. People have been using init scripts for rooting purposes for many years.
I also tried it with newer firmware and it actually didnt work. So it already requires an older frmware and I expect Sammy will increment bootloaders soon making it unavailable to those who have updated at that poimt in time. I figured best to put out the word on progress now and those can choose to wait or not.
Exploits never last very long. The only way to ensure longevity is to remain on old firmware. There was SamPWND before there was SamFAIL. This could be the perfect time. Unless I am the only one working on this device there will be other exploits to be found.
With that being said, only you have posted all day and no devs have reached out to join in the fun so at this rate by the time full root is achieved it most likely will already be patched.
Thats just my thoughts though.

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I can see where youre coming from but I dont think they can glean exactly what I have as theres are probably hundreds of scripts throughout the system.
Also, this approach is far from new. People have been using init scripts for rooting purposes for many years.
I also tried it with newer firmware and it actually didnt work. So it already requires an older frmware and I expect Sammy will increment bootloaders soon making it unavailable to those who have updated at that poimt in time. I figured best to put out the word on progress now and those can choose to wait or not.
Exploits never last very long. The only way to ensure longevity is to remain on old firmware. There was SamPWND before there was SamFAIL. This could be the perfect time. Unless I am the only one working on this device there will be other exploits to be found.
With that being said, only you have posted all day and no devs have reached out to join in the fun so at this rate by the time full root is achieved it most likely will already be patched.
Thats just my thoughts though.
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the note 9 kinda missed the party bus.
ive had almost all Sammy's devices and i have to unfortuanly say this is by far the most bleek state of development ive ever experienced.
but back in the day, there was far less android competition.
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and i think that if not the competition, the fact that alot of people feel content with what stock samsung is offering. when the device came out, the forums were littered with Shakespearean: 'to root or not to' type of threads.

This is great news. Hopefully some devs contact you. Loved your work with the S8.

Yeeeeeeeesssssss!
Very exciting! If we're updated to Pie, are we out of luck then though, regarding the firmware?
I remember you doing some great stuff but I don't recall the phone... Galaxy S3? Note5? Note7? Note8? HTC M8? EVO 4G LTE? OG EVO? Anyway, I am excited to see you here. ?

Wow, this is very interesting, and I loved reading your detailed post. I am super exited, and can't thank you enough for all your work elliwigy! :good:

Full on beast!
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PsiPhiDan said:
Yeeeeeeeesssssss!
Very exciting! If we're updated to Pie, are we out of luck then though, regarding the firmware?
I remember you doing some great stuff but I don't recall the phone... Galaxy S3? Note5? Note7? Note8? HTC M8? EVO 4G LTE? OG EVO? Anyway, I am excited to see you here.
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I wanna say s8/+ and the note 8.. both of which root solutions I used.
Word brotha ?? thank you for your diligence. I love that your hobby can help out so many who don't have the time, will, or discipline to learn it.

PsiPhiDan said:
Yeeeeeeeesssssss!
Very exciting! If we're updated to Pie, are we out of luck then though, regarding the firmware?
I remember you doing some great stuff but I don't recall the phone... Galaxy S3? Note5? Note7? Note8? HTC M8? EVO 4G LTE? OG EVO? Anyway, I am excited to see you here. ?
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you should be fine as long as you remain on rev1 firmware..

PsiPhiDan said:
Yeeeeeeeesssssss!
Very exciting! If we're updated to Pie, are we out of luck then though, regarding the firmware?
I remember you doing some great stuff but I don't recall the phone... Galaxy S3? Note5? Note7? Note8? HTC M8? EVO 4G LTE? OG EVO? Anyway, I am excited to see you here. ?
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lol ive had a lot of devices thats for sure but most my work is on samsung

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I wanna say s8/+ and the note 8.. both of which root solutions I used.
Word brotha ?? thank you for your diligence. I love that your hobby can help out so many who don't have the time, will, or discipline to learn it.
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Yeeeeeeeesssssss!
You are always the loveliest "Rev1 firmware baby"

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you should be fine as long as you remain on rev1 firmware..
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So.. I had to get a replacement via Asurion, and before setting it up I installed the earliest unlocked firmware. Sm-n960u on Verizon plan. I understand that this should work as long as I don't update, correct?

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So.. I had to get a replacement via Asurion, and before setting it up I installed the earliest unlocked firmware. Sm-n960u on Verizon plan. I understand that this should work as long as I don't update, correct?
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Yes, just make sure you stay away from anything that says N960UxxU2 or S2

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Yes, just make sure you stay away from anything that says N960UxxU2 or S2
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Mine says Rev 1.1. Does that mean game over for me?

PsiPhiDan said:
Mine says Rev 1.1. Does that mean game over for me?
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No that's for hardware revision. Is normally for when a device has had a hardware fix that changed something from the original design. So if they realized the fingerprint readers on rev1 were crappy and changed it out for future ones, they would show rev1.1 or whatever numbers they want to classify it as.
I'm not sure what they may have changed on the Note 9 though. Could have been camera or even something internal such as memory or radio chip.

What you want to stay away from is any changes to the attached image. Don't update to anything that says U2 or S2 at that section of the firmware.

Thank you for your hard work on this .

Do people even work on the locked up US Snapdragon variants?

All I read is negative on the topic of the US Snapdragon Galaxy S10 receiving root/an unlocked bootloader as I understand Samsung has kept these variants locked since the S7 series.
But is it not true that anything that can be locked can be unlocked? It's impossible to have a truly unbreakable lock, hardware or software, no?
And if it is completely impossible, why is this? Are people actively working on it/is there any potential we will receive root in a way similar to the SamFails exploit for the S8 series?
Of course, I'm just a consumer. I'm not exactly sure what goes into this. It would be helpful to gain some insight on what is and is not possible for my S10.
Kind of disappointed I'm unable to afford a Canadian or other foreign variant because I do payment plans. But I really would love the feeling of having root again. I really do miss it.

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. I really do miss it.
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But why?

CrackyRaps said:
All I read is negative on the topic of the US Snapdragon Galaxy S10 receiving root/an unlocked bootloader as I understand Samsung has kept these variants locked since the S7 series.
But is it not true that anything that can be locked can be unlocked? It's impossible to have a truly unbreakable lock, hardware or software, no?
And if it is completely impossible, why is this? Are people actively working on it/is there any potential we will receive root in a way similar to the SamFails exploit for the S8 series?
Of course, I'm just a consumer. I'm not exactly sure what goes into this. It would be helpful to gain some insight on what is and is not possible for my S10.
Kind of disappointed I'm unable to afford a Canadian or other foreign variant because I do payment plans. But I really would love the feeling of having root again. I really do miss it.
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You should have purchased another phone, because it's not going to happen on this one.

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But why?
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Because I enjoyed the extra features associated with it?
Superuser, flashing a ROM, even just getting rid of certain bloatware or using a PS3 controller with bluetooth.
There's just a bunch of small things that I miss being able to do, but Samsung has been progressively locking their **** up more and more.
Why does it matter why I want it?

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But why?
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Tel864 said:
You should have purchased another phone, because it's not going to happen on this one.
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This is the sort of thing I'm talking about. I don't know how you can definitively say this other than for the fact that nobody seems to even be giving a ****.
And that's how it goes, nobody gives a **** until it's figured out.
I'm sure a lot of people had the same exact mindset when the S8 got root without tripping Knox, but it got it eventually.
Maybe if more people had been working on it, it would've come about much earlier than it did.
So what is your reasoning other than "well Samsung made it hard to do so nobody attempts it?"
Nothing is impossible to break into.

CrackyRaps said:
This is the sort of thing I'm talking about. I don't know how you can definitively say this other than for the fact that nobody seems to even be giving a ****.
And that's how it goes, nobody gives a **** until it's figured out.
I'm sure a lot of people had the same exact mindset when the S8 got root without tripping Knox, but it got it eventually.
Maybe if more people had been working on it, it would've come about much earlier than it did.
So what is your reasoning other than "well Samsung made it hard to do so nobody attempts it?"
Nothing is impossible to break into.
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Wait wait wait lets clear this up. the s8 got root within a month or two of it being out. However, this was NOT because "people worked on it hard enough" It was because an engineering boot/build got leaked. This was not matter of working to root the thing then they had a magic breakthrough due to hard work. It was rooted because of the leaked engineering build.
I hope that they end up having the same thing happen there too, I really do. However, I would not keep your hopes up. Samsung is very good about locking their devices down when they want to. The level of dedication and work that a team would have to put in would have to be the equivalent or bigger than the team samsung has working to lock these things down. The problem with that? any team that has that time and money is not going to be working to root a samsung device. they are going to be taking paid jobs and if they did find a security flaw to exploit, they would probably turn it into samsung for a payout.

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So what is your reasoning other than "well Samsung made it hard to do so nobody attempts it?"
Nothing is impossible to break into.
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LOL, welcome to the real world, because things can be made impossible to break into. I'm still amazed at people buying a phone they know can't be rooted, get buy it anyway.

Hey guys I agree with the OP of this thread. I am by no means a dev but want to try and help where I can. I posted a thread on galaxy s10+ forum regarding the eng bootloader from Pakfirmware. If you are interested check it out https://forum.xda-developers.com/s10-plus/how-to/eng-bootloader-t3914050

ait1071 said:
Hey guys I agree with the OP of this thread. I am by no means a dev but want to try and help where I can. I posted a thread on galaxy s10+ forum regarding the eng bootloader from Pakfirmware. If you are interested check it out https://forum.xda-developers.com/s10-plus/how-to/eng-bootloader-t3914050
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Good dialog here. One question, is the Exynos version the same in every way as the Snapdragon, especially the having the same 3G/4G LTE Bands?
If so, why not just buy the Exynos version Unlocked from an overseas website?
The only disadvantage would be if they fail to include the newer bands like 23, 66,71,14....etc...
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But is it not true that anything that can be locked can be unlocked? It's impossible to have a truly unbreakable lock, hardware or software, no?
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That locked down phone is a selling point. They'll sell far more phones to people that don't care about rooting... and that's before the corporate and government sales.
Can it be unlocked? It's possible. It could happen today, or it could take two years like the Verizon Note4 and require such a convoluted process that many people will screw their phones up in the attempt. In the case of the Note4, it took so long that many developers had long moved on to newer devices.
Are there people working on the unlock? Undoubtedly. But I've found that this work goes on quietly, less the unwashed masses try incomplete methods and end up making their phones useless. (I hesitate to use the term "bricked," because that implies a phone that cannot be fixed by anyone. It is an overused term on these forums.)
I used to flash two or three ROMs a day back when I first got an Android phone in the Droid Incredible days. Perhaps it's my age, but most of the ROMs I flashed had issues I don't want to mess with anymore. While the One UI isn't a perfect experience, the only possible enticement I could see to root my phone would be a full nandroid backup.
And if they do find a way to root, I'll be in the thread laughing my ass off at the idiots who don't know what they're doing and can't follow directions "brick" their phones. A word of wisdom: don't try to be the first. Let others screw up and get the process refined.

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Because I enjoyed the extra features associated with it?
Superuser, flashing a ROM, even just getting rid of certain bloatware or using a PS3 controller with bluetooth.
There's just a bunch of small things that I miss being able to do, but Samsung has been progressively locking their **** up more and more.
Why does it matter why I want it?
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It doesn't matter. I was genuinely curious. You might gain a few little things, but you break everything that uses Knox. Samsung Pay, S-Health, Secure Folder, apps like Adhell and Disconnect Pro. Oh, and you NEVER get those back even after un-rooting, so you have to sell it for a significantly lower price because the device is crippled.
Samsung is locking their devices down so they can provide a secure environment for US Government and company use. 97% of the consumer market appreciates the lock down as well, because it's more difficult for malware to use an exploit to gain root and use that to steal passwords, pins, numbers and so on.
If you want to be able to unlock a devices bootloader, add root access and flash community roms, you need to get another device. If you still want to root a Samsung, you need an Exynos device. But again, see my first paragraph.

If you really want to have root then probably the best thing is not to buy a phone till root has been made available. For certain type of phones this is unlikely to ever materialize. The situation is not unique to Samsung, particularly Samsung phones with Snapdragon; as also Huawei phones have become increasingly difficult/impossible to unlock and root.