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[Q] Is Captivate/Android Experience for Me?

All,
I am new here and to SmartPhones. I like Captivate because it has low radiation.
I am impressed with the activities I see here and on CyanogenMod. However, these give me cause for concern regarding the energy level required to accomplish them. Linux is good but I am returning to graduate school in the fall so I am concerned regarding the requirement of these phones and OS's. I would appreciate it if some of you could explain why so much work occurs with Android. Is much of this activity born out of the decision of carriers to control OS releases to specific phones? I see this as a major factor presently.
With that said, it does appear Samsung blew it with regard to v2.2 and the Galaxy S phones. I am nearly embarrassed to inform you that I own two Samsung LCD monitors after learning of this negative experience.
Clearly, I void the warranty if I embrace the activities here but this just rationalizes the choice of a refurbished phone!
Please attempt to characterize the time requirement for becoming involved with these Samsung Galaxy phones and Android. I know I am not the type of person to be interested in continually working with my phone to make it better. However, I also know my limited perspective can be biasing reality with this OS and these SmartPhones unnecessarily negative.
Oddly, my wife is considering the Focus because it would give her the MS support she needs with work. Regardless, it does appear we have found a few excellent Internet resources for these choices...I just want to ensure I am not getting in over my head.
Thanks,
Rick

by radiation I assume you mean the head tumors

RAVC1 said:
All,
I am new here and to SmartPhones. I like Captivate because it has low radiation.
I am impressed with the activities I see here and on CyanogenMod. However, these give me cause for concern regarding the energy level required to accomplish them. Linux is good but I am returning to graduate school in the fall so I am concerned regarding the requirement of these phones and OS's. I would appreciate it if some of you could explain why so much work occurs with Android. Is much of this activity born out of the decision of carriers to control OS releases to specific phones? I see this as a major factor presently.
With that said, it does appear Samsung blew it with regard to v2.2 and the Galaxy S phones. I am nearly embarrassed to inform you that I own two Samsung LCD monitors after learning of this negative experience.
Clearly, I void the warranty if I embrace the activities here but this just rationalizes the choice of a refurbished phone!
Please attempt to characterize the time requirement for becoming involved with these Samsung Galaxy phones and Android. I know I am not the type of person to be interested in continually working with my phone to make it better. However, I also know my limited perspective can be biasing reality with this OS and these SmartPhones unnecessarily negative.
Oddly, my wife is considering the Focus because it would give her the MS support she needs with work. Regardless, it does appear we have found a few excellent Internet resources for these choices...I just want to ensure I am not getting in over my head.
Thanks,
Rick
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Hi Rick,
To answer your question - why so much work occurs with Android, I would like to take the liberty of rephrasing the question - why so much work occurs with Android phones? There isnt one correct answer for this.
You are correct in saying that carriers and service providers like to cripple the phone before they hand it over to the consumer. So when you buy the phone you really are not using these wonderful pieces of technology to their fullest extent. Thanks to our developers here at XDA because of whom we can in reality free the phones that we paid much moolah for, so that we maybe able to use all of the fones features that have been designed to work in conjunction with the wonderful Android OS.
Secondly, the reason why so much work goes into the phones and development to improve the functionality of the phone is because that is what Android has been designed for. Consumer can customize the phone to their liking and does not have to get stuck with the proprietary, grid like systems like the ones iphone has. Phone manufacturers, and not just Samsung, obviously design the phones software in such a way so that there is always room for improvement. They bet their dollar on the fact that an average consumer will eventually buy a newer product when its released and marketed in the future. There is always something lacking in the product that is in the market right now and that is where all this work comes into play.
Now, whether you shud buy a samsung captivate or not and what the time requirement is, is totally dependent on what you want to use the phone for and what kind of functionality you would like to get out of it.
From what you said that ur not a person who wud like to spend a lot of time modifying or playing around with your phone, you wud still like the captivate. Samsung Captivate is a very nice phone overall. Its got almost everything that you cud want in a phone. In regards to apps included with the phone, you've got a decent selection along with loads of bloatware.... If there is anything missing you can easily find it on the android market.
If you're expecting that your GPS would work right out of the box, then the answer is, maybe - maybe not. and its not android's fault, its a samsung issue. There are multiple fixes for the GPS that you can find on the forum, that being said, if you plan on utilizing those fixes, like you said not only will you void your warranty but you alone will be venturing into that experiment on your phone and dev will not be responsible for any damage that may or may not happen to your phone. But then again no guts, no glory.
So all in all, if you do end up getting the captivate, i dont think you'll be utterly disappointed, but at the same time i dont think you'll be able to sit back either when you see all these new developments posted here.
Hopefully i helped you a little and if i said too much then i apologize.
I welcome any senior member of the forum to correct me if im wrong and/or make any additions to what ive said above..
happy forumming....

My brother has a Samsung focus. It's buggy as hell, completely counter intuitive, and incomplete. Theres also no apps at all. He has like 3 different crappy youtube apps and sound boards.
And there's no CM7 to one day fix it.
Sent from my Captivate.

anandsamuel,
An excellent response; truly what I was looking for to understand the issues involved regarding Android and SmartPhones. You did not say too much.
I guess I need to start reading so I understand how to root a Captivate!
Rick

Also, that font is irritating to read.

RAVC1 said:
All,
I am new here and to SmartPhones. I like Captivate because it has low radiation.
I am impressed with the activities I see here and on CyanogenMod. However, these give me cause for concern regarding the energy level required to accomplish them. Linux is good but I am returning to graduate school in the fall so I am concerned regarding the requirement of these phones and OS's. I would appreciate it if some of you could explain why so much work occurs with Android. Is much of this activity born out of the decision of carriers to control OS releases to specific phones? I see this as a major factor presently.
With that said, it does appear Samsung blew it with regard to v2.2 and the Galaxy S phones. I am nearly embarrassed to inform you that I own two Samsung LCD monitors after learning of this negative experience.
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ok lets slow you down there. first android is linux BASED not linux. there is no need to worry about OS/ device compatibility. the most interaction between the phone and PC are just file copying like through a usb thumb drive.
the next part regarding carriers/updates/samsung. you answered yourself, kinda, and backwards. Samsung didnt blow it.
Google android updates as much as any software does - to make things better.
they release to manufacturers so they can make it work with their hardware.
Samsung released on time, BUT TO THE CARRIERS.
the carriers then take what samsung gave them and add their carrier specific settings (APN ect) and applications (bloatware).
ATT blew the update timeline.
Sometimes manufacturers release their finished product as "source code" untouched by carriers.
the long process is necessary in each step to (attempt) to make a perfect software package that will work with each phone/carrier out of the box for the end user. so it is unfair to say "born out of the decision of carriers to control OS releases to specific phones"
XDA works off of source codes and carrier releases to make our custom updates.
Clearly, I void the warranty if I embrace the activities here but this just rationalizes the choice of a refurbished phone!
Please attempt to characterize the time requirement for becoming involved with these Samsung Galaxy phones and Android. I know I am not the type of person to be interested in continually working with my phone to make it better. However, I also know my limited perspective can be biasing reality with this OS and these SmartPhones unnecessarily negative.
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there are ways to return your phone without them knowing what you did. dont worry too much about your "voided" warranty.
before i felt comfortable flashing I took about 3 days reading my A$$ off! and currently im off on workers comp. so that was 3 FULL days. even then i had issues and mistakes and my phone was out of service a few nights! but that is part of the fun.
you do not need to be the type of person to constantly update your phone to buy it. tens of thousands of people have this phone on stock firmware and it fully works. the extra effort and time that we here at XDA and cyanogenMOD do is more out of fun, and customization. Many would argue function as well, as we do sometimes fix things *better* than google/samsung/carriers. but things willl *usually* still function on stock even if on a basic level.
you only need to put in as much as you want to get out of it
so timeline,
flashing custom roms/themes PROPERLY - under a week
cutting and pasting roms frankenROMS - under a month or 2
creating - vast back knowlege of programming, ect YEAR(S)
regarding wanting to update often, not every update on XDA to your rom is necessary unles it fixes something you didnt have.
Each Android/Carrier update, would be recomended (or the XDA counterpart) as each new android version (not rom) contains the most updates/fixes. so if you were running a 2.2 (custom or stock) rom it WOULD be worth upgrading to 2.3 when available (custom or stock). but you dont NEED to update your custom rom every couple weeks when they put out their minor update on the same base rom (2.2 for eg.)
Oddly, my wife is considering the Focus because it would give her the MS support she needs with work. Regardless, it does appear we have found a few excellent Internet resources for these choices...I just want to ensure I am not getting in over my head.
Thanks,
Rick
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no comment. best regards

Trusselo,
Excellent, thoughtful response; it helped characterize this activity further for me. My concern is now recognized (and conveyed to others...) as not wanting to be required to become a developer to make my involvement with a SmartPhone constructive. Samsung, Android, XDA looks very good to me. As you mentioned, my reading has begun.
Yes, something is not right with my traditional Comic Sans Serif font here; it seems to compress it horizontally, but my aging eyes typically need this font.

Roll out of Lollipop for 910U (And a few others)

Thank you Samsung for letting down the 910U. There are absolutely no excuses to take so much time to update all variants. Too many variants and inability to maintain them... Never expected releases to come as fast as on my Nexus 5, but that bad is really a shame (Other manufacturers have already updated their flagships)
With all these different models of the same phone, Samsung has managed to create an extra fragmentation level of the already fragmented Android. Amazing.
And I don't want to hear that is maybe because we'll get a newer version than 5.0.1 or an improved Touchwiz (Like was speculated as an explanation for the very slow initial rollout of Lollipop). Most likely well get finally 5.0.1 when everybody will be on 5.1
I came back to Samsung after a few years (My last one was a Tab 7.7). Definitely amazing hardware each band every time. The software side (incl speed of new releases) is still a shame.
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Have to agree on the hardware front. Amazing, sleek and sexy. For the OS part though it's definitely a let down. I wish they would just apk all of their bloat and just let us use it on any non tw OS. No hidden or private api baked into a slow ui. My sister is running a S4 and laughing because she has LP and I can't even get it. Hell it's not even announced for my version.

i speak for 910G users and its a pathetic logic for 910G as well..... 910F got the update so why dint the 910G......it will be good if samsung can get their **** together and concentrate on a single processor and give its users what they pay for

I wonder if they limit variations because there's not any more letter in alphabet or what?

Er. Aditya said:
i speak for 910G users and its a pathetic logic for 910G as well..... 910F got the update so why dint the 910G......it will be good if samsung can get their **** together and concentrate on a single processor and give its users what they pay for
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pretty crap when the F and G use the same hardware but different bootloader and modems - would have taken very little time to get a global release for the two models at the same time.

Calm Down untill the Final Release
SM-N910C user here, I feel your pain But you guys should not forget that the Lollipop releases for Note 4 are not final , are more like test builds thats why it is not availble outside of the world except Poland. In essence , more than 90% of Note 4 users didn't receive Lollipop. I have installed Lollipop and I am pretty confident that it needs some tuning and fixing before the worlwide roll out so hopefuly every use gets straight the Final build in some weeks time and not a test build like some lucky N910C-F users!
The Real let down would be in the case where the Final Worlwide release is ready for some variants and not for everyone or the others who didn't receive the final update and receive a test build like now Here there is no space for excuses

Thank you for alcibiade for another whiner thread. For God sake get a life, the note's 4 lollipop update isn't that earth shocking. In general KitKat works as good (or some respect even better) as Lollipop.

rj3005 said:
Thank you for alcibiade for another whiner thread. For God sake get a life, the note's 4 lollipop update isn't that earth shocking. In general KitKat works as good (or some respect even better) as Lollipop.
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Thank you too rj3005. Now you (unwittingly) bring a bit more to this thread. I wasn't even complaining yet, but indeed, contrary to the Nexus Series (I own a 5 and a 7) the Samsung version of Lollipop is indeed not so much of a change compared with KitKat. Less material design, still lags here and there (I honestly don't know since I unfortunately still do not have an update for my 910U............). Samsung has amazing hardware (And that s why I picked the Note 4) but Software wise.... Honestly....
Anyway let s hope the S6 brings finally a decent Touchwiz we may all benefit from..
Sent from my Nexus 7 using XDA Free mobile app

Alcibiade said:
Thank you too rj3005. Now you (unwittingly) bring a bit more to this thread. I wasn't even complaining yet, but indeed, contrary to the Nexus Series (I own a 5 and a 7) the Samsung version of Lollipop is indeed not so much of a change compared with KitKat. Less material design, still lags here and there (I honestly don't know since I unfortunately still do not have an update for my 910U............). Samsung has amazing hardware (And that s why I picked the Note 4) but Software wise.... Honestly....
Anyway let s hope the S6 brings finally a decent Touchwiz we may all benefit from..
Sent from my Nexus 7 using XDA Free mobile app
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We can only hope to receive the so called "revamped" touchwiz from the S6 on the note 4

rj3005 said:
Thank you for alcibiade for another whiner thread. For God sake get a life, the note's 4 lollipop update isn't that earth shocking. In general KitKat works as good (or some respect even better) as Lollipop.
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Its not about getting life or what, but put urself on our shoes. What would u feel if everyone's got the lollipop amd u were left alone not having it? Good or bad is another matter. Being up to date is what xda is all about. At least that is why i joined xda.

I am totally with you, i know samsung for long time, and i know that they will not release the 5.1 for the 910u version because we didn't get the 5.0.1. in fact, we will get the 5.0.1 when the C gets close to the 5.1 . i am not mad or saying this because i hate samsung, i replied to tell you again Don't give your hopes on samsung to give you something that you want. I can tell from now that we can get the 5.0.1 version in 15 days from now, but without any change of the C version and maybe more buggy than it .

Ashatar said:
We can only hope to receive the so called "revamped" touchwiz from the S6 on the note 4
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I do hope indeed...
Again the hardware on Note 4 is amazing (That's why I bought it over the Nexus 6). Hopefully Samsung will get its act together and deliver decent software (from an AOSP perspective) KINF OF on time....
Sent from my SM-N910U using XDA Free mobile app

I agree i purchased the 910U over the 910G in australia and now i wished i got the C. Im sure when lollipop comes finally for the U porting C roms will become the norm and we'll keep up to date. God knows as well as us that samsung wont keep up..

I live in HK where U is the default model.
Weeks are passing... Still no sign. This is really not serious for a phone that's less than 6 months old.

Yep its a big fkn joke.

You should try being in Canada with a W8 model
The W8 model of of the note series is always the last to be updated let's just hope we get a fixed version.

Phone runs fine without Lollipop. If you read about how many are switching back from Lollipop, not in any hurry to get it myself.

Yes I switched back. You're missing nothing yet people. To me it really felt like a beta, battery drain, needs refining. I can deffo see the potential, its noticeably snappier when it's working right
And why oh why do people keep contributing to what they call whiney threads?! And whining themselves about them! Nothing wrong with whining every now and again, should people on forums all be constantly happy? Is it written in the rules?
Please of please skip the thread of it upsets you so much! Ffs!

I too am upset and want to wine, getting really impatient
I have the 910U From new Zealand on Spark network...

lawtq said:
Yes I switched back. You're missing nothing yet people. To me it really felt like a beta, battery drain, needs refining. I can deffo see the potential, its noticeably snappier when it's working right
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To be fair the issues encountered with the first versions of Lollipop should be put to the credit of Google. On that they screwed up massively and even the Nexus line suffers from it (I also have a Nexus 5 and a Nexus 7). It's hard to blame the phone makers on this.
Nevertheless time passes by, most of flagships have been updated to Lollipop and... quite a number of Note 4 haven't. Samsung weakness on the software side is blatant (while they indeed design excellent hardware, the Note 4 and the S 6 are very good example of this)
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[Q] Are you satisfied with the S6's performance?

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I've been impressed with everything other than the performance, to be honest. Coming from the Nexus 5 and M8, lag in Chrome, the Play Store, etc., make this phone feel like a downgrade.
This is launch software and the chipset in the S6 is insanely powerful so we should see smooth performance after some updates, but until then: help me, what are your thoughts?
I put together a poor man's guide to improving the S6's performance here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/att-galaxy-s6/general/how-managed-to-reduce-lag-t3077844

If you're disappointed, then return it, don't start 2 or 3 threads about the topic.

TechSavvy2 said:
If you're disappointed, then return it, don't start 2 or 3 threads about the topic.
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I said I've been impressed with everything other than the performance, why would I return it?
You voted "Very satisfied". Why am I not surprised?
It's an important topic. Maybe it hurts to hear your new phone has lag but it's better to gauge opinions and create solutions than to cry on XDA and cover up the issue.

Unfortunately, this is just the lag everyone associates with TouchWiz. The nexus 5 probably has a tenth the amount of services running out of the box than the s6. This would get better with root, but that may never happen with the AT&T derivative. (See AT&T note 4 forums as an example.. )
Like TechSavy mentioned, I'd probably return the phone. Not because it's not a bad device, but because your already accustomed to vanilla android. =/

Goronok said:
Unfortunately, this is just the lag everyone associates with TouchWiz. The nexus 5 probably has a tenth the amount of services running out of the box than the s6. This would get better with root, but that may never happen with the AT&T derivative. (See AT&T note 4 forums as an example.. )
Like TechSavy mentioned, I'd probably return the phone. Not because it's not a bad device, but because your already accustomed to vanilla android. =/
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I had the S3 and S4 so I've experienced the worst of Touchwiz. Maybe I expected too much out of the S6.
Definitely not returning it. It's not like the performance is bad, just not as good as advertised.

Hippoman13 said:
I said I've been impressed with everything other than the performance, why would I return it?
You voted "Very satisfied". Why am I not surprised?
It's an important topic. Maybe it hurts to hear your new phone has lag but it's better to gauge opinions and create solutions than to cry on XDA and cover up the issue.
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Your threads are not even remotely creating solutions, you're suggesting people turn off 75% of the features of the phone just to try and bump performance by a negligible amount.
Read your bold statement and think about what you just said....YOU ARE actually crying about performance on XDA on both the threads you started, and created the other thread specifically to cover up the issue......
Irony.
Yes, I did vote very satisfied. You know why? Because I tested/used the phone before I accepted it as a keeper. I also realize its just a phone. Yes I use it a LOT, so I'd like it to perform well. But you act as if a slight twitch when swiping from one screen to the next is causing you to have to start new threads on online forums on how to help people "deal with the current situation of the device". Seriously?
I'm actually the opposite of a fanboy in this instance, I simply realize my phone doesn't play any detrimental part in my day to day activities of life. I'm pretty sure people will survive with the phone performing exactly as it currently does.
PS my rant on your threads is not directed necessarily towards you, but more towards the idea that with every new device I get (about once per month or two) there are always ten or twenty new threads in that particular devices threads raging on how the "performance of the device sucks, I'm taking this POS back, seriously dissappointed in (enter your favorite manufacturer here)". Blah Blah Blah..... I feel like its almost half the threads on XDA these days.
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Whatever, man. You're right about most things but I'm not like you. I'm an enthusiast who will do anything to make my phone as efficient as possible. A lot of people are like this, especially with Samsung/
You keep assuming I think people should cripple their phone and turn everything off. You're still not understanding what I wrote. Honestly, I don't care though. The Bloatware is the biggest problem. The other points, like I KEEP saying, are for people who have no idea how many sensors/features are in this phone because they're new. I just have higher standards than you in performance. In my mind the "it's Touchwiz not Stock" argument falls off when it has an Octacore A57-53, DDR4 Ram, and Android 5.0+. I think: "Scrolling is STILL choppy?". And Samsung advertised themselves it would perform like stock.. I've been through a ton of Android phones and the S6 feels like a downgrade in this area and this area only.
Don't think I or the people who started the other threads are freaking out about the phone, we are just merely trying to overcome the cripple that AT&T applied to the S6.
Maybe you spend too much time in the General/Q&A sections of XDA. If you get tired of people complaining about your new device, you have to ignore them. You say they're everywhere, so they're probably not leaving anytime soon.
You have a strong point, it's a great phone. And the performance is really nice. Let's just agree to wait for some updates. I remember they improved the S3 and S4 so much within just a few months, and the S6 should be no different.
Take care.

I don't yet own the device. I'll have mine next week. But I will say that in general Samsung has been losing ground. The S6 is honestly the last hope for Samsung (basically the Android iPhone now imo).
I've been a Samsung fanboy for years, but they really need to go back to basics. They make phones that try too hard, push the envelope too much. Almost every Samsung release has come with major bugs. And the lack of developer attention from Samsung is truly saddening. They've pioneered so much technology it amazes me that they can't understand that most people want very simple things from their phone.
I come from a sales background and customers want A better battery life, B less glitches/bugs and C more simplicity.
Also, they need to fire their entire QA department. The bugs I've experienced on Samsung devices is embarrassing. Things need to be seamless and reliable. That's what people want.
IMHO

Agree
chronicaust said:
I don't yet own the device. I'll have mine next week. But I will say that in general Samsung has been losing ground. The S6 is honestly the last hope for Samsung (basically the Android iPhone now imo).
I've been a Samsung fanboy for years, but they really need to go back to basics. They make phones that try too hard, push the envelope too much. Almost every Samsung release has come with major bugs. And the lack of developer attention from Samsung is truly saddening. They've pioneered so much technology it amazes me that they can't understand that most people want very simple things from their phone.
I come from a sales background and customers want A better battery life, B less glitches/bugs and C more simplicity.
Also, they need to fire their entire QA department. The bugs I've experienced on Samsung devices is embarrassing. Things need to be seamless and reliable. That's what people want.
IMHO
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Well said, I agree 100%.
CC

I guess I must be lucky, I received the only S6 made with no lag? Well I take that back when I was setting everything up and installing like 30 apps at once it lagged a bit. But not once since then.
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N910F Snapdragon Android 7 Nougat ROMs: status and plans

Guys,
i've been checking XDA every several days to see if there will be any information regarding Android 7 ROMs for N910F, but there seems to be an absolute silence.
Is there anyone from the development teams that could give an update on the subject, should we expect any roms this month, for example? i'm surprised by this silence, because Galaxy Tab S, for example, already has 7.0 rom for weeks:
[ROM][7.0] Android 7 - Nougat [T700/T705/T800/T805]
There have been a lot of complaints regarding battery life on MM, so maybe android 7 will be the next great thing in Note 4 Roms?
thanks!!

You could always pick up the great guides on here, buy a book or two, and start a 7.0N thread including a ROM
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Tweetytek said:
You could always pick up the great guides on here, buy a book or two, and start a 7.0N thread including a ROM!
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what an unhelpful and useless reply, really!
of course, probably you grow the cow first if you want to have some milk, or maybe build an airplane first if you need to fly to a different city. if you find it reasonable, good for you!
however this does not give any information regading upcoming Android 7 roms for N910F, or why they are not showing up (are there any issues, etc).

lisbon2004 said:
Guys,
i've been checking XDA every several days to see if there will be any information regarding Android 7 ROMs for N910F, but there seems to be an absolute silence.
Is there anyone from the development teams that could give an update on the subject, should we expect any roms this month, for example? i'm surprised by this silence, because Galaxy Tab S, for example, already has 7.0 rom for weeks:
[ROM][7.0] Android 7 - Nougat [T700/T705/T800/T805]
There have been a lot of complaints regarding battery life on MM, so maybe android 7 will be the next great thing in Note 4 Roms?
thanks!!
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It says that the Android 7 Nougat ROM for the Galaxy Tab S has no telephony at present! Not a good start for a mobile phone ... however "smart" it may be!!
I suspect that is the main problem!

robmeik said:
It says that the Android 7 Nougat ROM for the Galaxy Tab S has no telephony at present! Not a good start for a mobile phone ... however "smart" it may be!!
I suspect that is the main problem!
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it's very difficult to say. Tab S is a tablet, with slow CPU, but with amazing screen and excellent thinness/weight.
Android 6 rom actually made this tablet usable again, a perfect thing for web browsing.
many users (like me) are fine to use it just for wi-fi with Android 7 ROM.
I don't think there will be any problem with Android 7 on Note 4 Snapdragon, but it's amazing that nobody comments on this, and does not give any plans. I'm sure there will be many users willing to jump from 4.4.4 to 7.0...

lisbon2004 said:
it's very difficult to say. Tab S is a tablet, with slow CPU, but with amazing screen and excellent thinness/weight.
Android 6 rom actually made this tablet usable again, a perfect thing for web browsing.
many users (like me) are fine to use it just for wi-fi with Android 7 ROM.
I don't think there will be any problem with Android 7 on Note 4 Snapdragon, but it's amazing that nobody comments on this, and does not give any plans. I'm sure there will be many users willing to jump from 4.4.4 to 7.0...
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Yes I have the Note 4 (SM-N910F) and the Tab S (SM-T805) and have Lollipop on both. I am sure that as the Android 7 (Nougat) ROM gets rolled out to phones as opposed to tablets there will be some Nougat ROMs appearing for our Note 4. The person who cooked the Nougat ROM for the Tab S obviously had difficulties getting the telephony to work He says:
"Issues
Graphical glitches on rotation and screen off
RIL, meaning no telephony support so far"
- that is probably why that ROM hasn't been developed further for phones!

lisbon2004 said:
it's very difficult to say. Tab S is a tablet, with slow CPU, but with amazing screen and excellent thinness/weight.
Android 6 rom actually made this tablet usable again, a perfect thing for web browsing.
many users (like me) are fine to use it just for wi-fi with Android 7 ROM.
I don't think there will be any problem with Android 7 on Note 4 Snapdragon, but it's amazing that nobody comments on this, and does not give any plans. I'm sure there will be many users willing to jump from 4.4.4 to 7.0...
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The tab s has almost the same procrssor as the note 4 exynos. However yes it isnt a processor which is good for an flagship tablet but Samsung does that with all tablets, the New Tab S2 2016 edition also only has a SD652 processor, which also cant be clasified as high end..

Ok, seems like finally there's progress:
Android 7 for T-mobile Note 4

Let's hope the recall of note 7 will give us a nougat official samsung rom!

Braxos said:
Let's hope the recall of note 7 will give us a nougat official samsung rom!
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I logged in just to share that thought too! Since the Note 7 is dead now, I think the Note 4 has to get Nougat along with the Note 5 fingers crossed :fingers-crossed:

paddymcg1 said:
I logged in just to share that thought too! Since the Note 7 is dead now, I think the Note 4 has to get Nougat along with the Note 5 fingers crossed :fingers-crossed:
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I hope too. But let's don't get overwhelmed by the hope.
From business perspective it's pointless to invest in old device support in this situation. They've lost billions on Note7. Upgrading Note4 to Nougat means more spending and give users reasons to stay longer on old devices, while they want you to buy a new one quicker to cover their expenses.
Upgrading Note4 would be a very noble move from Samsung, but as their previous behavior shows, noble moves are not in their habits.

negazets said:
I hope too. But let's don't get overwhelmed by the hope.
From business perspective it's pointless to invest in old device support in this situation. They've lost billions on Note7.
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well, if you ignore customers and their loyalty, then it'd be pointless to invest in old device support.
if you value your customers, then it is not pointless.
because happy customers help you sell your products; unhappy customers do the opposite.
at the end of the day, there's nothing really that would prevent a healthy Android 7 ROM to be made for the Note 7.
Samsung has already made a lot of people angry by removing features like Flat screen, the removable battery, ir blaster, etc. If the battery were removable in Note 7, very possibly the recall and the media disaster wouldn't even have happened.
Let's see if they will lean, and will become customer-focused again.

lisbon2004 said:
well, if you ignore customers and their loyalty, then it'd be pointless to invest in old device support.
if you value your customers, then it is not pointless.
because happy customers help you sell your products; unhappy customers do the opposite.
at the end of the day, there's nothing really that would prevent a healthy Android 7 ROM to be made for the Note 7.
Samsung has already made a lot of people angry by removing features like Flat screen, the removable battery, ir blaster, etc. If the battery were removable in Note 7, very possibly the recall and the media disaster wouldn't even have happened.
Let's see if they will lean, and will become customer-focused again.
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I'm not trying to argue, but lots of people, who buy top devices (whatever that means), usually don't care and even don't know what version of OS they have. I'm not trying to say they are stupid or something, they just don't care or the OS version is not their priority.
Plus lots of old device owners are not direct Samsung customers, that's what this business success is about: if customer wants to be on the edge, (s)he should buy new. I don't know if there's a research about how many - 2-3 y.o. flagships have 2nd+ owners, but the refurbished phone market is quite big. So, part of not so must-do investment like upgrading old phones is not only going to nowhere for the phone makers, but also creates undesired competition for their new products on some markets (e.g. like in my country where operators' offers phone+contract aren't so "sweet" like in countries with bigger number of potential customers and people would think twice if they need to upgrade with brand-new or lightly used). Note4 users are just a thin slice.
And you can't blame Samsung for not taking care about old device owners - they released 6.0.1 update for N910F not so long ago, they run "buy-back" program in lots of places. But, you know, there should be something to get you interested in buying new phone.
OK, seems like we're going off topic here
I did get the same thought about my Note4 and Nougat as soon as I heard about termination of Note7, but... I'm skeptic here. It's hard time for Samsung to invest in something with doubtful possibility to return and make their new products less valuable comparing to old ones.

I've no idea what you all are thinking, but 1. There sure as Hell won't be an official Sammy Update to 7.0. Never ever.
2. 7.0 Custom roms are far away. Since no Samsung phone is on an official stable build (afaik) there's no base yet. So the only Option is AOSP. In my experience even the 6.0 Roms aren't stable enough for a daily driver. Since a Nougat port needs some base, normally the 6.0 Rom would be used as a base. It gets a bit technical from here on, but tldr is, it's not as easy as downloading the source, copying some folders around and bang, rom...
3. As a (un)written rule, you never ask for eta's. Ever. It's no problem if you ask if there is anything out there, but as you figured already out, there's not. So asking like a child on christmas day when it's going to be there, especially that close to release of the source, is considered rude.
jm2c

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3. As a (un)written rule, you never ask for eta's. Ever. It's no problem if you ask if there is anything out there, but as you figured already out, there's not. So asking like a child on christmas day when it's going to be there, especially that close to release of the source, is considered rude.
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your comment regarding the lack of the first official base gives some understanding regarding 7.0 status, thanks for that!
As for the last one, p.3, asking "when" and "how is it going" could be considered rude only by really childish and immature persons.
There are a lot of people here on XDA that flash roms in their spare time too (like people that develop them), and not everyone has too much of it. we would like to have at least some basic understanding about 7.0 progress, to plan migration to the new rom (which requires dedicating several consecutive days for roms flashing, data migration, and testing). Asking when, is about planning.

"I'm not trying to argue, but lots of people, who buy top devices (whatever that means), usually don't care and even don't know what version of OS they have.".
According to my experience, this is true. No one here should think that they use their phones the way we do, here on XDA. 8 out of 10 users just update their devices, because they see the OTA notification appearing, but don´t even care about the differences between the old OS and the new one. If you ask them, what is KitKat and Lollipop, or root, most likely they won´t know the answers. As long as Facebook, WhatsApp, Viber, whatever works, everything´s fine. The only difference they do care about, is battery ilfe. By the way, battery life... I´m an android user since Gingerbread. I had several devices, before i bought the Note 1, and since then I´m using only Note phones, I had the Note 2, Note 3, and now for a long time, Note 4. I never ever understood why some people are so keen on having the newest OS, because according to my experience, the newest is rarely the better... I liked KitKat, especially the X-Note custom ROM´s. Lollipop was on the market for long time, i had to reflash my phone, so i thought i give it a try. After a few weeks of being on Lollipop, i ran back to KitKat, my good old X-Note. Lollipop was a huge stepback in battery life, and i haven´t experienced any really noticable advantages. About a month ago i deciced to upgrade my KitKat to Marshmallow, just out of curiousity. A huge disappointment, again. Battery life is also worse, the overhyped permission management system is a joke, and apart from the off-screen memo i haven´t found anything useful in MM. So, as before, i went back to my good old KK, i enjoy the stability, the extreme long battery life, and, honestly, i don´t even wait to Nougat.

tompika72 said:
"I'm not trying to argue, but lots of people, who buy top devices (whatever that means), usually don't care and even don't know what version of OS they have.".
According to my experience, this is true... (shortened).
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It goes even further than not careing. My own girlfriend HATES OS Updates. i told her, that for her Mate 7 there's a new Android Version out. She refuses to update because every update on every device ever (not only android, windows too) meant major hassle for her. She uses the phone as is and everything that changes anything is evil. Don't try to argue with security or such. She is just feared, that her phone won't work the same anymore. And seeing how much i flash my phone to "get it working" i can't blame her
Battery life is a topic i'm struggeling with. My inner nerd wants to get the maximum runtime out of that thing. But recently, with Doze introduced, i have some major Notification Problems. Allo doesn't notify at all or 2 days later. Whatsapp randomly delays Notifications by hours... Maybe the ever itching battery saving thing has gone to far. I mean, on a typical workday i leave at 6am and come home at 5pm with 75% Battery left. I just stopped caring. The Note 4 makes it through a day on every OS for me. And a second one if i have too. :good:

Seems like no news at all regarding 7.0 ROMs...

an absolute silence...

Several devs making AOSP/CM Roms have stated in their threads, that it's in the works. Only now some devices running stock'ish roms are getting Android 7 (OPO..) We are rocking an oldish phone with a processor/chipset that no official Android 7 phone has. Samsung has no official 7 rom either. So it's just a lot of work to get something useable.
I'm sure our devs have something bootable. But getting from there to something usable/daily driver ready is a long and bumpy road. Give them some time. We'll get it sooner or later. For sure.

Note 8 OS update warning issue...

Hi everybody, i have a problem about system os update. I do not want to update my os, it's very stable now. But note 8 OS, constantly warning me to update
Is there a way to cancel to update signals ( specially top on the settings widget, it's so annoying )
I did not try the bk package disabler. My friend says that program consumes to much battery, is it true ?
thank you,

ixuss40 said:
Hi everybody, i have a problem about system os update. I do not want to update my os, it's very stable now. But note 8 OS, constantly warning me to update
Is there a way to cancel to update signals ( specially top on the settings widget, it's so annoying )
I did not try the bk package disabler. My friend says that program consumes to much battery, is it true ?
thank you,
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Im using BK Disabler and do not consume to much battery..BK Disabler is the most safe way to stop os update.

android-incredible said:
Im using BK Disabler and do not consume to much battery..BK Disabler is the most safe way to stop os update.
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thank you so much, i will try to bk package disabler.

Be aware that you are subject to serious security vulnerabilities if you don't update your firmware. Some recent flaws let an attacker take over your phone without your having to do anything (you don't have to download anything or visit a sketchy website or whatever). Malware can be installed that steals your passwords, reads or sends emails or texts from your phone, turns on and streams from your mic or camera, etc.

It would be one thing if they provided information as to what was in the update, but there is never any info. Just a mysterious update that is forced on your device, even if you turn off automatic system updates. It really pisses me off when I spend $950 on a piece of equipment, and I get no say in what goes on it. Basically, I don't even own it. I'm just paying to use it, twice. So yeah, I'd also like to disable all this crap, and decide for myself what I install and when.

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It would be one thing if they provided information as to what was in the update, but there is never any info. Just a mysterious update that is forced on your device, even if you turn off automatic system updates. It really pisses me off when I spend $950 on a piece of equipment, and I get no say in what goes on it. Basically, I don't even own it. I'm just paying to use it, twice. So yeah, I'd also like to disable all this crap, and decide for myself what I install and when.
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I think you are just looking at it wrong. Security updates/bug fixes are for your benefit. Not to break your device. They usually tell you what the update is or provide a more info link. But if you are curious just look it up. They aren't hiding anything. Your carrier is the one who finalizes and issues the update, it will be on their website. I am on T-Mobile and I have to check manually for an update before it will check the server. I know other carriers are different though. Some just push it. But either way it's stuff you are going to want. Especially since the next update is going to be Oreo. If you really don't want updates though it's not that hard to disable. Just figure out whatever app is responsible for checking the server and freeze it. Its all in your hands...

Gizmoe said:
I think you are just looking at it wrong. Security updates/bug fixes are for your benefit. Not to break your device. They usually tell you what the update is or provide a more info link. But if you are curious just look it up. They aren't hiding anything. Your carrier is the one who finalizes and issues the update, it will be on their website. I am on T-Mobile and I have to check manually for an update before it will check the server. I know other carriers are different though. Some just push it. But either way it's stuff you are going to want. Especially since the next update is going to be Oreo. If you really don't want updates though it's not that hard to disable. Just figure out whatever app is responsible for checking the server and freeze it. Its all in your hands...
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I'm on AT&T. They used to give you the option to look at info about the updates. They quit doing that a long time ago. I also haven't had much luck finding info on my own. I'm well aware that there are often security updates included. The point is, you have no idea what they are forcing you to install, and they no longer give you a choice. Or at least they try not to.
And, although I hate to sound like a conspiracy theorist, and I know there is no evidence to support the popular claim that manufacturers and carriers purposely slow down your device to push you to buy new products, these companies exist for one purpose, which is to make money. How many times have businesses been caught doing things they claimed they weren't doing? Most recently Apple was caught slowing down older devices, though arguably with good reason.
And what if I'm perfectly happy with my device on Nougat, and don't want Oreo? The point is, the choice should be mine alone, and I should be provided the information to make that choice. I'm the one shelling out almost a grand for a device that will probably last 2 years, if I'm lucky. Hell, I paid $700 for a laptop, probably 4 or 5 years ago, and it still works like new. It just doesn't have all the latest technology, but it still functions as intended when I purchased it. So forgive me if I'm a bit sceptical about my mobile device that slows down in less than a year, and is designed with no easily replaceable parts, like a battery. They want you to keep buying new ones. That's how they grow their business and make a profit.

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I'm on AT&T. They used to give you the option to look at info about the updates. They quit doing that a long time ago. I also haven't had much luck finding info on my own. I'm well aware that there are often security updates included. The point is, you have no idea what they are forcing you to install, and they no longer give you a choice. Or at least they try not to.
And, although I hate to sound like a conspiracy theorist, and I know there is no evidence to support the popular claim that manufacturers and carriers purposely slow down your device to push you to buy new products, these companies exist for one purpose, which is to make money. How many times have businesses been caught doing things they claimed they weren't doing? Most recently Apple was caught slowing down older devices, though arguably with good reason.
And what if I'm perfectly happy with my device on Nougat, and don't want Oreo? The point is, the choice should be mine alone, and I should be provided the information to make that choice. I'm the one shelling out almost a grand for a device that will probably last 2 years, if I'm lucky. Hell, I paid $700 for a laptop, probably 4 or 5 years ago, and it still works like new. It just doesn't have all the latest technology, but it still functions as intended when I purchased it. So forgive me if I'm a bit sceptical about my mobile device that slows down in less than a year, and is designed with no easily replaceable parts, like a battery. They want you to keep buying new ones. That's how they grow their business and make a profit.
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It has been well known in the tech industry for years that Apple slows devices. They just finally got caught and now it's gonna back fire. I have never read of Samsung doing the same. They are a hardware company at heart. Apple just sells phones. They NEED people to buy the new ones. Just look at how fragile their stock is with one flagship not doing well. They are too dependant on brand loyalty and conspicuous consumption. They have a motive. I haven't seen any reports over the years of Samsung doing the same. Samsung has many revenue streams and sell more phones world wide at numbers that dwarf Apple. I dont think they put any thought into slowing devices. There is no motive there. But if you are paranoid all the same. Then i suggest buying unlocked phones and running custom firmware.