Hi everybody, i have a problem about system os update. I do not want to update my os, it's very stable now. But note 8 OS, constantly warning me to update
Is there a way to cancel to update signals ( specially top on the settings widget, it's so annoying )
I did not try the bk package disabler. My friend says that program consumes to much battery, is it true ?
thank you,
ixuss40 said:
Hi everybody, i have a problem about system os update. I do not want to update my os, it's very stable now. But note 8 OS, constantly warning me to update
Is there a way to cancel to update signals ( specially top on the settings widget, it's so annoying )
I did not try the bk package disabler. My friend says that program consumes to much battery, is it true ?
thank you,
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Im using BK Disabler and do not consume to much battery..BK Disabler is the most safe way to stop os update.
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Im using BK Disabler and do not consume to much battery..BK Disabler is the most safe way to stop os update.
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thank you so much, i will try to bk package disabler.
Be aware that you are subject to serious security vulnerabilities if you don't update your firmware. Some recent flaws let an attacker take over your phone without your having to do anything (you don't have to download anything or visit a sketchy website or whatever). Malware can be installed that steals your passwords, reads or sends emails or texts from your phone, turns on and streams from your mic or camera, etc.
It would be one thing if they provided information as to what was in the update, but there is never any info. Just a mysterious update that is forced on your device, even if you turn off automatic system updates. It really pisses me off when I spend $950 on a piece of equipment, and I get no say in what goes on it. Basically, I don't even own it. I'm just paying to use it, twice. So yeah, I'd also like to disable all this crap, and decide for myself what I install and when.
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It would be one thing if they provided information as to what was in the update, but there is never any info. Just a mysterious update that is forced on your device, even if you turn off automatic system updates. It really pisses me off when I spend $950 on a piece of equipment, and I get no say in what goes on it. Basically, I don't even own it. I'm just paying to use it, twice. So yeah, I'd also like to disable all this crap, and decide for myself what I install and when.
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I think you are just looking at it wrong. Security updates/bug fixes are for your benefit. Not to break your device. They usually tell you what the update is or provide a more info link. But if you are curious just look it up. They aren't hiding anything. Your carrier is the one who finalizes and issues the update, it will be on their website. I am on T-Mobile and I have to check manually for an update before it will check the server. I know other carriers are different though. Some just push it. But either way it's stuff you are going to want. Especially since the next update is going to be Oreo. If you really don't want updates though it's not that hard to disable. Just figure out whatever app is responsible for checking the server and freeze it. Its all in your hands...
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I think you are just looking at it wrong. Security updates/bug fixes are for your benefit. Not to break your device. They usually tell you what the update is or provide a more info link. But if you are curious just look it up. They aren't hiding anything. Your carrier is the one who finalizes and issues the update, it will be on their website. I am on T-Mobile and I have to check manually for an update before it will check the server. I know other carriers are different though. Some just push it. But either way it's stuff you are going to want. Especially since the next update is going to be Oreo. If you really don't want updates though it's not that hard to disable. Just figure out whatever app is responsible for checking the server and freeze it. Its all in your hands...
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I'm on AT&T. They used to give you the option to look at info about the updates. They quit doing that a long time ago. I also haven't had much luck finding info on my own. I'm well aware that there are often security updates included. The point is, you have no idea what they are forcing you to install, and they no longer give you a choice. Or at least they try not to.
And, although I hate to sound like a conspiracy theorist, and I know there is no evidence to support the popular claim that manufacturers and carriers purposely slow down your device to push you to buy new products, these companies exist for one purpose, which is to make money. How many times have businesses been caught doing things they claimed they weren't doing? Most recently Apple was caught slowing down older devices, though arguably with good reason.
And what if I'm perfectly happy with my device on Nougat, and don't want Oreo? The point is, the choice should be mine alone, and I should be provided the information to make that choice. I'm the one shelling out almost a grand for a device that will probably last 2 years, if I'm lucky. Hell, I paid $700 for a laptop, probably 4 or 5 years ago, and it still works like new. It just doesn't have all the latest technology, but it still functions as intended when I purchased it. So forgive me if I'm a bit sceptical about my mobile device that slows down in less than a year, and is designed with no easily replaceable parts, like a battery. They want you to keep buying new ones. That's how they grow their business and make a profit.
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I'm on AT&T. They used to give you the option to look at info about the updates. They quit doing that a long time ago. I also haven't had much luck finding info on my own. I'm well aware that there are often security updates included. The point is, you have no idea what they are forcing you to install, and they no longer give you a choice. Or at least they try not to.
And, although I hate to sound like a conspiracy theorist, and I know there is no evidence to support the popular claim that manufacturers and carriers purposely slow down your device to push you to buy new products, these companies exist for one purpose, which is to make money. How many times have businesses been caught doing things they claimed they weren't doing? Most recently Apple was caught slowing down older devices, though arguably with good reason.
And what if I'm perfectly happy with my device on Nougat, and don't want Oreo? The point is, the choice should be mine alone, and I should be provided the information to make that choice. I'm the one shelling out almost a grand for a device that will probably last 2 years, if I'm lucky. Hell, I paid $700 for a laptop, probably 4 or 5 years ago, and it still works like new. It just doesn't have all the latest technology, but it still functions as intended when I purchased it. So forgive me if I'm a bit sceptical about my mobile device that slows down in less than a year, and is designed with no easily replaceable parts, like a battery. They want you to keep buying new ones. That's how they grow their business and make a profit.
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It has been well known in the tech industry for years that Apple slows devices. They just finally got caught and now it's gonna back fire. I have never read of Samsung doing the same. They are a hardware company at heart. Apple just sells phones. They NEED people to buy the new ones. Just look at how fragile their stock is with one flagship not doing well. They are too dependant on brand loyalty and conspicuous consumption. They have a motive. I haven't seen any reports over the years of Samsung doing the same. Samsung has many revenue streams and sell more phones world wide at numbers that dwarf Apple. I dont think they put any thought into slowing devices. There is no motive there. But if you are paranoid all the same. Then i suggest buying unlocked phones and running custom firmware.
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All,
I am new here and to SmartPhones. I like Captivate because it has low radiation.
I am impressed with the activities I see here and on CyanogenMod. However, these give me cause for concern regarding the energy level required to accomplish them. Linux is good but I am returning to graduate school in the fall so I am concerned regarding the requirement of these phones and OS's. I would appreciate it if some of you could explain why so much work occurs with Android. Is much of this activity born out of the decision of carriers to control OS releases to specific phones? I see this as a major factor presently.
With that said, it does appear Samsung blew it with regard to v2.2 and the Galaxy S phones. I am nearly embarrassed to inform you that I own two Samsung LCD monitors after learning of this negative experience.
Clearly, I void the warranty if I embrace the activities here but this just rationalizes the choice of a refurbished phone!
Please attempt to characterize the time requirement for becoming involved with these Samsung Galaxy phones and Android. I know I am not the type of person to be interested in continually working with my phone to make it better. However, I also know my limited perspective can be biasing reality with this OS and these SmartPhones unnecessarily negative.
Oddly, my wife is considering the Focus because it would give her the MS support she needs with work. Regardless, it does appear we have found a few excellent Internet resources for these choices...I just want to ensure I am not getting in over my head.
Thanks,
Rick
by radiation I assume you mean the head tumors
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All,
I am new here and to SmartPhones. I like Captivate because it has low radiation.
I am impressed with the activities I see here and on CyanogenMod. However, these give me cause for concern regarding the energy level required to accomplish them. Linux is good but I am returning to graduate school in the fall so I am concerned regarding the requirement of these phones and OS's. I would appreciate it if some of you could explain why so much work occurs with Android. Is much of this activity born out of the decision of carriers to control OS releases to specific phones? I see this as a major factor presently.
With that said, it does appear Samsung blew it with regard to v2.2 and the Galaxy S phones. I am nearly embarrassed to inform you that I own two Samsung LCD monitors after learning of this negative experience.
Clearly, I void the warranty if I embrace the activities here but this just rationalizes the choice of a refurbished phone!
Please attempt to characterize the time requirement for becoming involved with these Samsung Galaxy phones and Android. I know I am not the type of person to be interested in continually working with my phone to make it better. However, I also know my limited perspective can be biasing reality with this OS and these SmartPhones unnecessarily negative.
Oddly, my wife is considering the Focus because it would give her the MS support she needs with work. Regardless, it does appear we have found a few excellent Internet resources for these choices...I just want to ensure I am not getting in over my head.
Thanks,
Rick
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Hi Rick,
To answer your question - why so much work occurs with Android, I would like to take the liberty of rephrasing the question - why so much work occurs with Android phones? There isnt one correct answer for this.
You are correct in saying that carriers and service providers like to cripple the phone before they hand it over to the consumer. So when you buy the phone you really are not using these wonderful pieces of technology to their fullest extent. Thanks to our developers here at XDA because of whom we can in reality free the phones that we paid much moolah for, so that we maybe able to use all of the fones features that have been designed to work in conjunction with the wonderful Android OS.
Secondly, the reason why so much work goes into the phones and development to improve the functionality of the phone is because that is what Android has been designed for. Consumer can customize the phone to their liking and does not have to get stuck with the proprietary, grid like systems like the ones iphone has. Phone manufacturers, and not just Samsung, obviously design the phones software in such a way so that there is always room for improvement. They bet their dollar on the fact that an average consumer will eventually buy a newer product when its released and marketed in the future. There is always something lacking in the product that is in the market right now and that is where all this work comes into play.
Now, whether you shud buy a samsung captivate or not and what the time requirement is, is totally dependent on what you want to use the phone for and what kind of functionality you would like to get out of it.
From what you said that ur not a person who wud like to spend a lot of time modifying or playing around with your phone, you wud still like the captivate. Samsung Captivate is a very nice phone overall. Its got almost everything that you cud want in a phone. In regards to apps included with the phone, you've got a decent selection along with loads of bloatware.... If there is anything missing you can easily find it on the android market.
If you're expecting that your GPS would work right out of the box, then the answer is, maybe - maybe not. and its not android's fault, its a samsung issue. There are multiple fixes for the GPS that you can find on the forum, that being said, if you plan on utilizing those fixes, like you said not only will you void your warranty but you alone will be venturing into that experiment on your phone and dev will not be responsible for any damage that may or may not happen to your phone. But then again no guts, no glory.
So all in all, if you do end up getting the captivate, i dont think you'll be utterly disappointed, but at the same time i dont think you'll be able to sit back either when you see all these new developments posted here.
Hopefully i helped you a little and if i said too much then i apologize.
I welcome any senior member of the forum to correct me if im wrong and/or make any additions to what ive said above..
happy forumming....
My brother has a Samsung focus. It's buggy as hell, completely counter intuitive, and incomplete. Theres also no apps at all. He has like 3 different crappy youtube apps and sound boards.
And there's no CM7 to one day fix it.
Sent from my Captivate.
anandsamuel,
An excellent response; truly what I was looking for to understand the issues involved regarding Android and SmartPhones. You did not say too much.
I guess I need to start reading so I understand how to root a Captivate!
Rick
Also, that font is irritating to read.
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All,
I am new here and to SmartPhones. I like Captivate because it has low radiation.
I am impressed with the activities I see here and on CyanogenMod. However, these give me cause for concern regarding the energy level required to accomplish them. Linux is good but I am returning to graduate school in the fall so I am concerned regarding the requirement of these phones and OS's. I would appreciate it if some of you could explain why so much work occurs with Android. Is much of this activity born out of the decision of carriers to control OS releases to specific phones? I see this as a major factor presently.
With that said, it does appear Samsung blew it with regard to v2.2 and the Galaxy S phones. I am nearly embarrassed to inform you that I own two Samsung LCD monitors after learning of this negative experience.
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ok lets slow you down there. first android is linux BASED not linux. there is no need to worry about OS/ device compatibility. the most interaction between the phone and PC are just file copying like through a usb thumb drive.
the next part regarding carriers/updates/samsung. you answered yourself, kinda, and backwards. Samsung didnt blow it.
Google android updates as much as any software does - to make things better.
they release to manufacturers so they can make it work with their hardware.
Samsung released on time, BUT TO THE CARRIERS.
the carriers then take what samsung gave them and add their carrier specific settings (APN ect) and applications (bloatware).
ATT blew the update timeline.
Sometimes manufacturers release their finished product as "source code" untouched by carriers.
the long process is necessary in each step to (attempt) to make a perfect software package that will work with each phone/carrier out of the box for the end user. so it is unfair to say "born out of the decision of carriers to control OS releases to specific phones"
XDA works off of source codes and carrier releases to make our custom updates.
Clearly, I void the warranty if I embrace the activities here but this just rationalizes the choice of a refurbished phone!
Please attempt to characterize the time requirement for becoming involved with these Samsung Galaxy phones and Android. I know I am not the type of person to be interested in continually working with my phone to make it better. However, I also know my limited perspective can be biasing reality with this OS and these SmartPhones unnecessarily negative.
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there are ways to return your phone without them knowing what you did. dont worry too much about your "voided" warranty.
before i felt comfortable flashing I took about 3 days reading my A$$ off! and currently im off on workers comp. so that was 3 FULL days. even then i had issues and mistakes and my phone was out of service a few nights! but that is part of the fun.
you do not need to be the type of person to constantly update your phone to buy it. tens of thousands of people have this phone on stock firmware and it fully works. the extra effort and time that we here at XDA and cyanogenMOD do is more out of fun, and customization. Many would argue function as well, as we do sometimes fix things *better* than google/samsung/carriers. but things willl *usually* still function on stock even if on a basic level.
you only need to put in as much as you want to get out of it
so timeline,
flashing custom roms/themes PROPERLY - under a week
cutting and pasting roms frankenROMS - under a month or 2
creating - vast back knowlege of programming, ect YEAR(S)
regarding wanting to update often, not every update on XDA to your rom is necessary unles it fixes something you didnt have.
Each Android/Carrier update, would be recomended (or the XDA counterpart) as each new android version (not rom) contains the most updates/fixes. so if you were running a 2.2 (custom or stock) rom it WOULD be worth upgrading to 2.3 when available (custom or stock). but you dont NEED to update your custom rom every couple weeks when they put out their minor update on the same base rom (2.2 for eg.)
Oddly, my wife is considering the Focus because it would give her the MS support she needs with work. Regardless, it does appear we have found a few excellent Internet resources for these choices...I just want to ensure I am not getting in over my head.
Thanks,
Rick
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no comment. best regards
Trusselo,
Excellent, thoughtful response; it helped characterize this activity further for me. My concern is now recognized (and conveyed to others...) as not wanting to be required to become a developer to make my involvement with a SmartPhone constructive. Samsung, Android, XDA looks very good to me. As you mentioned, my reading has begun.
Yes, something is not right with my traditional Comic Sans Serif font here; it seems to compress it horizontally, but my aging eyes typically need this font.
I was randomly browsing youtube when I suddenly felt the urge to search for this device however, with a filter to only get videos posted in the past 24 hours.
And I found this particular video which caught my attention immediately.
I watched it and within the first minute, my e-boner died. Apparently, this user contacted the support from Nubia who confirmed that the Global versions won't get anymore updates, like literally none. Not even security updates, let alone major patches.
I'm shocked and curious if anybody else knows anything else about this. I mean... those security patches mean a lot and I was expecting a minimum of guaranteed android Q update in the future. Yet... apparently the phone is practically dead, unless you force punch the chinese ROM down it's throat.
Can anybody confirm any of this? For me it would be a 100% deal breaker.
First, they completely cut off whatever piece of software they were using for the phone and gave us a very stock feel/look with cut down features and abilities. Now this? Nubia come on.
Don't worry about updates. You are worrying about a guy who spoke to a CUSTOMER SERVICE REP. Those people are paid hourly wages and don't know ANYTHING about when or if devices will get updates. Relax and enjoy this awesome phone.
Hi,
Given the past of ZTE/Nubia, I would not put too high expectations on updates.
Maybe we will have 2 or 3 updates in the phones lifetime.
But I would expect a major update like to Android Q (I am pretty sure this will not happen).
There's no secret : to release a device with those features at that price and with all bonuses (earphones + USB-C cable + external battery + joystick) they ahve to save some expenses. Where do they make those savings ?
Yeah, you guessed correctly : in support.
So ask a question to customer support => 3 days to get an answer to a really simple question.
And of course support of software : non existent. Probably made by interns but in no way some pros working there... If there were, they would never have released this totaly useless global software...
As far as I am concerned : the device is used only for GPS guiding when I am on the way. But for nothing else... That makes a 480€ GPS. Probably the most expensive device I've ever had...
Jesus. So the basic global software is so... basic that it fully cancels out it's usability?
Have you considered going through the pain of flashing the chinese ROM?
It's really worrying to see that there are quite a few people stating that this device might not see more than 3 to 4 software updates in it's life. It's fascinating to see that the device is in fact not really a priority...
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Jesus. So the basic global software is so... basic that it fully cancels out it's usability?
Have you considered going through the pain of flashing the chinese ROM?
It's really worrying to see that there are quite a few people stating that this device might not see more than 3 to 4 software updates in it's life. It's fascinating to see that the device is in fact not really a priority...
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I dont know what people have but the global rom is okay, i have no Bugs, battery lifetime is good and so on.
I totally agree with the previous poster.
I'm on global, which is basically Vanilla Android Pie.
The phone is smooth as butter and I have about 11 hours of SOT time.
Yes, at the moment it doesn't have Dark mode and the themes engine. I'm sure it will receive these soon.
I don't care about updates at the moment, will see about that in the future.
But I can assure you that at the moment global is quite ok.
So is it possible to get get the unlock code to a CLT-L29 in 2020?
I was backing up pictures with USB, and cable was loose and fell off, and for some reason that made my P20 remove all media on my phone.
Due to limitations in EMUI 9 i cant use any deepscan, but might work on EMUI 8, but my phone wont show the allow PC remote hisuite app window to appear, so its a bust.
Next i wanna try ROOT, but need unlock code to root.
Has anyone any way of getting this code? that know it works? dont feel like spending 50$ on a fake page/service.
// Fredrik
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So is it possible to get get the unlock code to a CLT-L29 in 2020?
I was backing up pictures with USB, and cable was loose and fell off, and for some reason that made my P20 remove all media on my phone.
Due to limitations in EMUI 9 i cant use any deepscan, but might work on EMUI 8, but my phone wont show the allow PC remote hisuite app window to appear, so its a bust.
Next i wanna try ROOT, but need unlock code to root.
Has anyone any way of getting this code? that know it works? dont feel like spending 50$ on a fake page/service.
// Fredrik
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Officially or unofficially, no.
However there is one method which involves opening the phone, this is going to remain the only method unless a team tries to work it out which I highly doubt.
Crap I know, not a lot you can do pal. Most people have jumped ship. Can't see anyone who mods their phone buying Huawei ever again. I certainly won't.
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Officially or unofficially, no.
However there is one method which involves opening the phone, this is going to remain the only method unless a team tries to work it out which I highly doubt.
Crap I know, not a lot you can do pal. Most people have jumped ship. Can't see anyone who mods their phone buying Huawei ever again. I certainly won't.
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You'll never walk alone!
dladz said:
Officially or unofficially, no.
However there is one method which involves opening the phone, this is going to remain the only method unless a team tries to work it out which I highly doubt.
Crap I know, not a lot you can do pal. Most people have jumped ship. Can't see anyone who mods their phone buying Huawei ever again. I certainly won't.
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Neither would i too. Tired of all the waiting and issues that i had with huawei, to the point where i will be switching to Iphone.
I will say it again for huawei : Great hardware, **** software.
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Neither would i too. Tired of all the waiting and issues that i had with huawei, to the point where i will be switching to Iphone.
I will say it again for huawei : Great hardware, **** software.
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GPU is crap too, but I agree for the most part.
Never again
OnePlus mate, get the 8, I wouldn't buy apple personally.
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GPU is crap too, but I agree for the most part.
Never again
OnePlus mate, get the 8, I wouldn't buy apple personally.
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Well, i am done with Android in general. Google's been removing features each update and honestly, the **** optimization that Android has regarding multitasking is so bad....how could Apple use 4gb of ram to keep so many apps easily?
Oneplus, yeah, they have their opimizations here and there, but i don't want to go set up the app background limit or some other stuff just to get it fictional (according to dontkillmyapp.com)
Either way, i will see what will happen in the future. If oneplus 8 comes with true water resistance and wireless charging, then sure as hell i might switch to it. If not, then i am going for Apple (i'd rather pay a kidney and know i got a functional device that will have 5+ years of updates)
Still it's sad that Huawei doesn't co-op with the xda community by letting us test harmony OS, develop apps and report bugs, but oh well...
I am also very interested in what op 8 brings but i would be slightly more skeptical. Well sure, if dev support and performance are the only factors go get it. Keep in mind that Oneplus (7 serie) is also known for terrible ram management. Another thing worth to consider is camera. Compared to huawei, samsung, pixel or iPhone it is just ok. If you have time please read op 7t pro review on xda. It's long but worth to read.
Btw. You're totally right about root and development today. It's not that fun anymore, unlocking bl often breaks functionality of crucial apps (like paying with phone) and magisk hide doesn't help it all.
(besides even op 7t pro doesn't have fully working twrp yet).
As for the iPhone. Price is still scary and storage/battery capacity is a joke. Only iphone 11 pro max gets decent size battery... and beats android handsets on this field About ios it's all about t personal preferences.
There is method called BLK, it costs about 30 dollars to get BLK key and two guys who know how to do it will help you with getting bootloader code for free. You can contact them at huaweihax on telegram
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I am also very interested in what op 8 brings but i would be slightly more skeptical. Well sure, if dev support and performance are the only factors go get it. Keep in mind that Oneplus (7 serie) is also known for terrible ram management. Another thing worth to consider is camera. Compared to huawei, samsung, pixel or iPhone it is just ok. If you have time please read op 7t pro review on xda. It's long but worth to read.
Btw. You're totally right about root and development today. It's not that fun anymore, unlocking bl often breaks functionality of crucial apps (like paying with phone) and magisk hide doesn't help it all.
(besides even op 7t pro doesn't have fully working twrp yet).
As for the iPhone. Price is still scary and storage/battery capacity is a joke. Only iphone 11 pro max gets decent size battery... and beats android handsets on this field About ios it's all about t personal preferences.
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I mean, you get what you pay for. I am not an apple fanboy since i never got a chance to fully test an iphone or any apple product, but honestly, after testing an iphone 11 pro in a store (as well as iphone 11 which, for an hd screen, it looks pretty good), i'd take the risk with the prices just for a phone that will hold me very well for more than 5 years. Storage wise, i always do cleanup on my phone and, on my p20 pro, i barely used the 128gb storage (sits somewhere under 32gb). About battery, for a 3000mah battery, it holds longer than my p20 pro, which is amazing! Yeah, the max pro is better but it is too big and large to even fit in my pocket. But either way, i will see what iphone i should get.
I wish ANDROID OEM's would keep up with apple and bring up at least 5 years of OS updates, especially when they have their own services.
And thank you for agreeing with me regarding my opinion about bootloader unlocking. It is pretty much useless and Google may just disable the adb command in the near future. Why sacrifice 80% of the phone's features for a custom rom?
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There is method called BLK, it costs about 30 dollars to get BLK key and two guys who know how to do it will help you with getting bootloader code for free. You can contact them at huaweihax on telegram
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..... Interesting, has anyone on these forums had any success with this method?
(other than the thread by @XTutorials https://forum.xda-developers.com/huawei-p20-pro/how-to/finnaly-t3972825 - which i noted with interest but nothing much seemed to come of it)
Could really do with hearing some success stories - I don't mind sabotaging the phone by getting the cover off and losing water-resistance.... but I'd want to be reasonably sure it was going to work :laugh:
What is the features that everyone wants from unlocking bootloade on this phoner? I've had an unlocked bootloader since i bought this phone, however never seen any great benefit apart from ad blocking. Been running stock for 6 months now though. I came from a long list of HTC devices where modding was fun and actual features added. I just don't see any major benefit of doing this on this phone. Basically no Devs development. If you wanted closer stock Android, not sure why anyone would have bought Huawei in the first place. Maybe im missing some super feature, if so, please tell me.
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What is the features that everyone wants from unlocking bootloade on this phoner? I've had an unlocked bootloader since i bought this phone, however never seen any great benefit apart from ad blocking. Been running stock for 6 months now though. I came from a long list of HTC devices where modding was fun and actual features added. I just don't see any major benefit of doing this on this phone. Basically no Devs development. If you wanted closer stock Android, not sure why anyone would have bought Huawei in the first place. Maybe im missing some super feature, if so, please tell me.
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Pretty much "xdatards" complaining at every huawei post that they no longer provide bootloader unlocking. I mean, samsung and other big oem still don't allow it or it does but breaks the entire software and they barely have any custom roms (not talking about xiaomi or oneplus)
Either way, i won't be surprised if Google removes the bootloader unlock command from adb in the next big android update.
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What is the features that everyone wants from unlocking ......
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Personally, I'm not interested in any phone restricted to EMUI - whilst it's not a terrible iteration of Android it's still too restrictive by half (e.g. the low maximum headphone volume really pee'd me off!)
I don't understand all the excitement of EMUI updates on these forums - whatever Huawei churn out next it will probably be more restrictive rubbish. IMO the only hope is Lineage 16.0 - I'm running that on a View 10 and it's a good daily driver (although a little tricky to install and maintain)
But you're right: Q: Why buy a Huawei if you're interested in stock Android experience?
A: It was a mistake with hindsight....!
JJ2017 said:
Personally, I'm not interested in any phone restricted to EMUI - whilst it's not a terrible iteration of Android it's still too restrictive by half (e.g. the low maximum headphone volume really pee'd me off!)
I don't understand all the excitement of EMUI updates on these forums - whatever Huawei churn out next it will probably be more restrictive rubbish. IMO the only hope is Lineage 16.0 - I'm running that on a View 10 and it's a good daily driver (although a little tricky to install and maintain)
But you're right: Q: Why buy a Huawei if you're interested in stock Android experience?
A: It was a mistake with hindsight....!
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They already blocked the bootloader unlocking thing in emui 10, just like how every android oem will do in their next major update.
I start to think that Apple is no longer the **** company now when it comes to mobile market, it's the android oem. Let's be fair : you pay 1k for a phone that becomes irrelevant in 2 years, becomes slowers because of those so called "security updates", no custom rom support (even though custom roms are pretty much dead at this point, barely any builds coming up), and other software related issues.
What the hell is innovation if software is the main point of a product? Those so called "Isheeps" are so right with android's terrible update platform and optimization. 12gb of ram for what? Just for specs to flex with.
Everybody should switch to Iphones at this point.
Huawei tried to kill apple but honestly, with their broken promises, i start to think that maybe the android ban is a good reason for Huawei to start respecting customers and coop with them. After all, they want to be on top...
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Well, i am done with Android in general. Google's been removing features each update and honestly, the **** optimization that Android has regarding multitasking is so bad....how could Apple use 4gb of ram to keep so many apps easily?
Oneplus, yeah, they have their opimizations here and there, but i don't want to go set up the app background limit or some other stuff just to get it fictional (according to dontkillmyapp.com)
Either way, i will see what will happen in the future. If oneplus 8 comes with true water resistance and wireless charging, then sure as hell i might switch to it. If not, then i am going for Apple (i'd rather pay a kidney and know i got a functional device that will have 5+ years of updates)
Still it's sad that Huawei doesn't co-op with the xda community by letting us test harmony OS, develop apps and report bugs, but oh well...
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Screw Huawei, they deserve it.
As for Apple, it's exactly the same with Mac OS Vs windows, windows has to work on a plethora of hardware combinations, as does android, osx and iOS have very very very limited hardware combinations, bare in mind how much android has caught up, it's not noticeable any longer, in fact a lot of phones have surpassed apple in so many ways. Oneplus and Pixels namely.
I've lived with Apple once, that was enough
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They already blocked the bootloader unlocking thing in emui 10, just like how every android oem will do in their next major update.
I start to think that Apple is no longer the **** company now when it comes to mobile market, it's the android oem. Let's be fair : you pay 1k for a phone that becomes irrelevant in 2 years, becomes slowers because of those so called "security updates", no custom rom support (even though custom roms are pretty much dead at this point, barely any builds coming up), and other software related issues.
What the hell is innovation if software is the main point of a product? Those so called "Isheeps" are so right with android's terrible update platform and optimization. 12gb of ram for what? Just for specs to flex with.
Everybody should switch to Iphones at this point.
Huawei tried to kill apple but honestly, with their broken promises, i start to think that maybe the android ban is a good reason for Huawei to start respecting customers and coop with them. After all, they want to be on top...
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Where are you getting this from?? Samsung, OnePlus, Google, lg, have all kept the door open for bootloader unlocking or did I miss something?
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I don't understand all the excitement of EMUI updates on these forums - whatever Huawei churn out next it will probably be more restrictive rubbish. IMO the only hope is Lineage 16.0 - I'm running that on a View 10 and it's a good daily driver (although a little tricky to install and maintain)
But you're right: Q: Why buy a Huawei if you're interested in stock Android experience?
A: It was a mistake with hindsight....!
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Lol about the updates, for many it's the potential prospect of having anything other than EMUI and or any limitations being lifted and or the poor optimizations becoming better than the trash that we've had to get used to.
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purple patch said:
What is the features that everyone wants from unlocking bootloade on this phoner? I've had an unlocked bootloader since i bought this phone, however never seen any great benefit apart from ad blocking. Been running stock for 6 months now though. I came from a long list of HTC devices where modding was fun and actual features added. I just don't see any major benefit of doing this on this phone. Basically no Devs development. If you wanted closer stock Android, not sure why anyone would have bought Huawei in the first place. Maybe im missing some super feature, if so, please tell me.
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Titanium.
AOSIP ROM
True ad blocking
Xposed
Magisk mods
Snapchat mods
Ability to remove zram (massive boost in gaming and device speed)
Root optimizations
Root apps
Kernels
TWRP mods
True dark mode (something I've been using for several years not this awful crap they're calling a feature nowadays)
I could be here all day long.
Removing the shackles, gives you freedom, it's your choice what you do with it.
This is the essence of android, which is why people are annoyed at Huawei primarily amongst other awful decisions.
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Where are you getting this from?? Samsung, OnePlus, Google, lg, have all kept the door open for bootloader unlocking or did I miss something?
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Possibility to unlock bl is limited to regional releases in case of LG or Samsung. Lastly i check there was no way to unlock bl on lg g8 (flagship 2019). LG update policy is the most stupid ive ever experienced. Regarding galaxy s serie - there are still regional variants (eg american carrier branded) where unlocking bl is not available.
As for the perks you mentioned... I am afraid not of them are available / fully working today. I am not a gamer so only adblock is sth really useful to me, but it's not a deal breaker.
Couple of years ago root meant sth. Gave you freedom and didn't bring any negative consequences. It's no longer the case. I think root scene will be dead within couple of years.
It's a shame that htc is dead. Their flagships were equipped with top notch hw and devs support was among the best on xda.
Unlock bootloader on samsung : Knox ****s the entire phone up
Unlock bootloader on lg : impossible on some phone variants
What i was talking about is that all companies like to copy eachother, no matter how small or big it is. Take a note with the disappearance of the headphone jack : Apple did it first and then everybody did it too. Huawei got the in display fingerprint scanner and reverse wireless charging : Samsung copies it.
Now with emui 10, Google can as well block the unlock command because then companies will copy this "feature".
Actually, since the iphone 11 pro release, Apple caught up with the competition of flagship devices.
I understand you regarding oneplus being a good comapany that allows bootloader unlocking. But the thing is : you unlock it you loose some important daily driver features like banking apps (which i use). Oneplus, by the looks of it, did it so well with the speed and optimization, however i'm not sure how well they did it with ram management. Either way, when it comes to overall support and less headaches, Apple does it better. "it just works!"
Still, let's see what 2020 brings up. Huawei might redeem themselves this time. If not, then say goodbye because i don't give more chances.
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Possibility to unlock bl is limited to regional releases in case of LG or Samsung. Lastly i check there was no way to unlock bl on lg g8 (flagship 2019). LG update policy is the most stupid ive ever experienced.
As for the perks you mentioned... I am afraid not of them are available / fully working today. I am not a gamer so only adblock is sth really useful to me, but it's not a deal breaker.
Couple of years ago root meant sth. Gave you freedom and didn't bring any negative consequences. It's no longer the case. I think root scene will be dead within couple of years.
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Unfortunately, the root community is pretty much dying since summer 2019 (imo). Most rooting apps can be used with adb (like appops and shizuku). Either way, like i said, i won't be surprised if Google blocks unlocking in the adb command.
Also, Huawei can root their phones using service mode, but nobody has access to their service software, yet.
I think we will disagree on this. I cannot remember everything I use root for, but things do pop up from time to time.
It's just easier with root.
Android will always have root and if not then it's the end of android, i really wouldn't bother anymore.
What I mentioned still works btw, and yes you do trust the efuse chip on some devices, but so what, it's worth it.
Losing a banking app? You use it yes but that's you lol, I would trade that off for root.
Apple is still a closed eco system and always will be I honestly cannot see android ever being that way, if it is then bye bye android.
This is my opinion and it's staying that way lads, sorry but that's me.
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I think we will disagree on this. I cannot remember everything I use root for, but things do pop up from time to time.
It's just easier with root.
Android will always have root and if not then it's the end of android, i really wouldn't bother anymore.
What I mentioned still works btw, and yes you do trust the efuse chip on some devices, but so what, it's worth it.
Losing a banking app? You use it yes but that's you lol, I would trade that off for root.
Apple is still a closed eco system and always will be I honestly cannot see android ever being that way, if it is then bye bye android.
This is my opinion and it's staying that way lads, sorry but that's me.
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If Google completely killed rooting, ppl will still buy them. XDA rooting is a niche market now days. Rooting, custom ROMs etc was fun while it lasted. I still love android eco system, way superior to iDevices. iPhones can be jailbroken too, not as closed as you might think.
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If Google completely killed rooting, ppl will still buy them. XDA rooting is a niche market now days. Rooting, custom ROMs etc was fun while it lasted. I still love android eco system, way superior to iDevices. iPhones can be jailbroken too, not as closed as you might think.
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Quite a defeatist attitude of you. ask me, jailbreak didn't work on the latest OS, it's cat and mouse, not the same thing as root, not the same OS, your comparing oranges and apples.
Google won't do that, not being naive either, time will tell. I didn't think unlocked multipliers on CPUs would still be around today, yet here we are with a dedicated line for both AMD and Intel, GPU had now followed suit as had RAM.
Google isn't dead, they're just getting started, closing off a massive part of what made them famous in the first place isn't something they're going to embrace, that's the likes of Huaweis job.
Time will tell, right now it's open and there's nothing to suggest otherwise, besides the backlash should it happen.
If it did happen I would have no hesitation to buy apple, at that point android would have lost their ace up their sleeve, because I'm a small minority who thinks that doesnt mean I'm wrong, not wanting to follow the masses is a good thing, and going by Google's hiring techniques they'd agree.
MIUI killed my apps in the background. I already set the battery to no restrictions, and already allow autostart. Can anybody help me on this. On latest CN rom.
I waking up late almost everyday since purchasing this phone. FFS.
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MIUI killed my apps in the background. I already set the battery to no restrictions, and already allow autostart. Can anybody help me on this. On latest CN rom.
I waking up late almost everyday since purchasing this phone. FFS.
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The software is simply not ready tbh
It's so bad I find myself going back to my mate 20 x to do stuff sometimes....
May be go EU ROM instead, my alarm works fine and did out of the box
I often have the same problem with my global one. I now use a 2nd alarm clock.
I do not understand people that complain about using the China rom, but do not just flash an alternative, like the Xiaomi.eu rom. The China rom does not work with many third party apps, as well as Google services. The workaround is quite simple. It's called unlocking your bootloader and flashing another rom, like the Xiaomi.eu rom.
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I do not understand people that complain about using the China rom, but do not just flash an alternative, like the Xiaomi.eu rom. The China rom does not work with many third party apps, as well as Google services. The workaround is quite simple. It's called unlocking your bootloader and flashing another rom, like the Xiaomi.eu rom.
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Mate, i'm with official Vodafone variant, 12.5.1.0 RKAEUVF, completely stock and i have the same problem. And i have two Mi11 Ultra phones - mine and my girl's phone. Both of them have the same issues. Most of the times the alarm doesn't go off. It's weird because if i use third party app it works, but the stock one doesn't. Good thing i have my old phone to use it as alarm. I contacted Xiaomi UK about it, made a official complaint and they are very aware of the problem. The thing is that they're not doing anything about it. I mean seriously - it's an alarm clock - how hard can it be to be fixed?!?!?
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Mate, i'm with official Vodafone variant, 12.5.1.0 RKAEUVF, completely stock and i have the same problem. And i have two Mi11 Ultra phones - mine and my girl's phone. Both of them have the same issues. Most of the times the alarm doesn't go off. It's weird because if i use third party app it works, but the stock one doesn't. Good thing i have my old phone to use it as alarm. I contacted Xiaomi UK about it, made a official complaint and they are very aware of the problem. The thing is that they're not doing anything about it. I mean seriously - it's an alarm clock - how hard can it be to be fixed?!?!?
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All I know is I don't have all the problems you blokes claim to have.
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All I know is I don't have all the problems you blokes claim to have.
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That's good to hear. Obviously not all devices are affected. But as you see in the forum a lot of people have trouble with their devices. If you buy a phone from China and thinker around it you can expect some things to happen. What puzzles me is that a lot of people have legitimate European phones, completely stock, and they have issues as well.
I worked it IT for over 30 years both in Windows and Unix and phones have been a hobby since I retired, but one thing that was always true, the vast majority of problems were due to user error and there is usually something simple behind errors like this, for example, clearing the apps cache after install or upgrade.
How is not clearing the cache user error? Where exactly have Xiaomi published that so I know what to do for every app install or upgrade?
Xiaomi churn out so many phones but don't care too much about software or users, especially outside of China.
This has happened a couple of times on the Oneplus 8 Pro but only a couple of times to a point when I had add a 2nd alarm on my work's phone. Has happened once on Mi 11 Pro (shares software with the Ultra) but not since.
chistery said:
How is not clearing the cache user error? Where exactly have Xiaomi published that so I know what to do for every app install or upgrade?
Xiaomi churn out so many phones but don't care too much about software or users, especially outside of China.
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Because basic maintenance is always the users responsibility. For example, if you drive s car and fail to do basic maintenance on your car, like change the oil, and your engine needs to be repaired, whose fault is it? Who has to pay for the repairs? The manufacturer or the owner of the car? If a phone suffers water damage, despite the phone being water resistant, whose responsibility is it? Anytime you upgrade any OS, iOS or Android, there is always the possibility of residuals from the previous OS conflicting with the upgrade. Manufacturers can only put the processes in place for simple corrections, but the user is the one who is responsible to understand and actually perform the basic care and maintenance required. If you look at any OS, they all have the abilities to clear cache, but you have for years always heard things like, "after the upgrade this app doesn't work right or my phone has slowed way down." Very common situations that can usually be easily fixed by performing basic maintenance and careof their device There are occasions where things land outside of basic care, such as the Note 7 fiasco, and a recall is necessary, but if the problems are occuring randomly and they are only user specific, it generally points to something that the user either has or has not done to his or her device and not the manufacturer or it would be affecting all users rather than a random group of users. You know how every manufacturer has a little booklet included with their phone that no one reads? Perhaps it might behoove you to read it as there are usually basic maintenance pointers in those booklets
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Because basic maintenance is always the users responsibility. For example, if you drive s car and fail to do basic maintenance on your car, like change the oil, and your engine needs to be repaired, whose fault is it? Who has to pay for the repairs? The manufacturer or the owner of the car? If a phone suffers water damage, despite the phone being water resistant, whose responsibility is it? Anytime you upgrade any OS, iOS or Android, there is always the possibility of residuals from the previous OS conflicting with the upgrade. Manufacturers can only put the processes in place for simple corrections, but the user is the one who is responsible to understand and actually perform the basic care and maintenance required. If you look at any OS, they all have the abilities to clear cache, but you have for years always heard things like, "after the upgrade this app doesn't work right or my phone has slowed way down." Very common situations that can usually be easily fixed by performing basic maintenance and careof their device There are occasions where things land outside of basic care, such as the Note 7 fiasco, and a recall is necessary, but if the problems are occuring randomly and they are only user specific, it generally points to something that the user either has or has not done to his or her device and not the manufacturer or it would be affecting all users rather than a random group of users. You know how every manufacturer has a little booklet included with their phone that no one reads? Perhaps it might behoove you to read it as there are usually basic maintenance pointers in those booklets
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I do agree with you to some degree. What am i supposed to do with brand new phone out of the box and alarm doesn't fire off? What residuals, what cache? It's out of the box. Not to mention that's the first ever phone giving troubles like that, never before. Look it the other way around as a pro and tell me - how pro a user needs to be and what should you do if the sowtware is buggy and unsatble in first place? Just humor me, please.
Look there's a reason, if you contact a help desk, they take you through easy troubleshooting steps in the first place. If your phone is defective out of the box, return it. It's not rocket science.Have you never had a product that didn't work and you needed to take it back? Frustrating but nothing is perfect.
hi, sorry for late coming back to the thread. i think the apps is not compatible with the rom ( i dont know why). try 2 alarm clock apps, both not ringing even i on autostart, lock on the recent apps, and no battery saver. but i try another alarm clock suddenly it working. but different issue arise. while it is ringing, the apps does not appear at all, i need to go in and click the apps to turn off the clock.
i have start the unlock bootloader process, maybe tomorrow or the day after i can unlock it. and will change to eu or global rom.
jim262 said:
Look there's a reason, if you contact a help desk, they take you through easy troubleshooting steps in the first place. If your phone is defective out of the box, return it. It's not rocket science.
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I have 2 Mi11 Ultra phones. What are the odds for both to be defective and have the same issues? Should i go get a lottery ticket? It's more than obvious that the software is crappy.
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I have 2 Mi11 Ultra phones. What are the odds for both to be defective and have the same issues? Should i go get a lottery ticket? It's more than obvious that the software is crappy.
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You love moving the goalposts, don't you. You expect me to believe that despite you constantly complaining about MIUI and this phone, you bought two?
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You love moving the goalposts, don't you. You expect me to believe that despite you constantly complaining about MIUI and this phone, you bought two?
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I don't see what's funny about it considering the fact i got two at the same time when they got out. Back then almost nobody had any idea what to expect. It's not like i waited to see what happens in the forums to buy the first one and two months later to buy another one. Please, don't assume anything about anyone when you have absolutely no information about the situation or have no idea about the person.
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I don't see what's funny about it considering the fact i got two at the same time when they got out. Back then almost nobody had any idea what to expect. It's not like i waited to see what happens in the forums to buy the first one and two months later to buy another one. Please, don't assume anything about anyone when you have absolutely no information about the situation or have no idea about the person.
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Look I told you previously if they are defective, TAKE THEM BACK. It's that simple.
First off, yes i have searched thru the forums for an answer but none of those that I found are direct to my questions...
I just placed an order for S21 Ultra Exynos. Should be arriving within the next 2 days or so..
My questions are: (this will be my first Samsung phone)
1) Is one UI good enough? or is it worth it to flash a custom from (previously I used to flash custom from for better battery life and also advance customization.
2) If I unlock the bootloader, will I still receive firmware updates?
I'm basically buying this particular phone for its excellent battery life, camera, and performance.
And also because Samsung promised 3-4 years for firmware updates. I believe this phone will last for at least 3 years.
And I'm thinking of unlocking the bootloader on day 1 itself before even setting up anything. That way I would save my time from losing stuff by resetting after unlocking BL.
3) and also, did anyone get the Samsung care+ extended warranty? Is it worth it?
I have never broken a phone before in my life thus far. But since this is gonna be the most expensive phone I have ever bought, I would prefer to secure my investment. (another reason why I'm considering not to unlock bootloader/root as of yet).
Thank you soo much.
Have not done rooting for a long time. Lost touch will all this stuff.
Hence the noobie questions.
1. One UI is quite good. There aren't a ton of custom ROMs out there for this phone. Even the most popular ones that exist are still based on one UI.
2. and 3. contradict each other. If you're bothered about warranty AT ALL, don't unlock your bootloader. You can never return to 100% stock on Samsung. Knox will remain tripped so bye bye warranty. Unless of course your country has laws allowing this and you can fight Samsung. They tend to deny warranty if you've modified your phone software. YMMV. I don't have Samsung Care so I don't know about that.
Since you asked for suggestions, mine would be not to be hasty and play around with the device to see if you need to unlock/root/flash etc.
Rooting on day 1 just so you can avoid having to set up phone again is pretty lazy and dangerous. Especially since you've been out of the game for a while.
Baby steps buddy. Better safe than sorry.
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1. One UI is quite good. There aren't a ton of custom ROMs out there for this phone. Even the most popular ones that exist are still based on one UI.
2. and 3. contradict each other. If you're bothered about warranty AT ALL, don't unlock your bootloader. You can never return to 100% stock on Samsung. Knox will remain tripped so bye bye warranty. Unless of course your country has laws allowing this and you can fight Samsung. They tend to deny warranty if you've modified your phone software. YMMV. I don't have Samsung Care so I don't know about that.
Since you asked for suggestions, mine would be not to be hasty and play around with the device to see if you need to unlock/root/flash etc.
Rooting on day 1 just so you can avoid having to set up phone again is pretty lazy and dangerous. Especially since you've been out of the game for a while.
Baby steps buddy. Better safe than sorry.
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Isn´t it sad, that we spent more than 1000 bucks on a device, that in the end, we will never truly own?
I´ve been thinking about this issue since i got my Note 9 (3 years ago)...
The balance between, what we want the device to do for, and what we are allowed to do in the device, without losing support in case of hardware failure...
I, mainly, used to root for 3 reasons: 1 - Ads removal from software; 2 - Control/modification of the system files and 3 - Easy backup and restore with TWRP
And as we all are aware, a few changes in a system file, can avoid the installation of a third party software (e.g. Call Recording) so it seems to be more efficient to root... but then come the brands claming that we can´t do it because that would ruin the user experience that they planned for the device...
The Knox feature as been buffed up to a point that is increasingly harder to install a custom recovery. Something that a few years ago was a solution for a big number of users, now its just a work for those "geeks" that live for the challenge... The risks of brincking a VERY EXPENSIVE device are becaming bigger than the advantages that we would get with root... I guess we are playing into brands plans...
To be fair, brands also understood that they would have to give what users wanted if they wanted to avoid software alterations (except maybe Apple, who just gives what Apple consideres users should have)...
Customizations and bigger control of the software are trends that are growing up in Android skins (like OneUi).
I got my S21 Ultra a few weeks ago, and normally it would rooted and with a custom recovery by now, but the problems i faced with that in my Note 9, are still present in my mind... and i don´t want to face them again...
I manage to get my basic needs with some non-root software, and with GoodLock and Bixby Routines and can do almost everything i would do with the root... Still can´t avoid to have to install a third party software to record calls, something that could be done better with the native system, but that´s it...
In the end, you do you...
Just keep in mind the risks, and be ready to take responsability when something goes wrong... and the possibility of that happen is getting bigger every time they launch a new device...
RSGI
RSGI said:
Isn´t it sad, that we spent more than 1000 bucks on a device, that in the end, we will never truly own?
I´ve been thinking about this issue since i got my Note 9 (3 years ago)...
The balance between, what we want the device to do for, and what we are allowed to do in the device, without losing support in case of hardware failure...
I, mainly, used to root for 3 reasons: 1 - Ads removal from software; 2 - Control/modification of the system files and 3 - Easy backup and restore with TWRP
And as we all are aware, a few changes in a system file, can avoid the installation of a third party software (e.g. Call Recording) so it seems to be more efficient to root... but then come the brands claming that we can´t do it because that would ruin the user experience that they planned for the device...
The Knox feature as been buffed up to a point that is increasingly harder to install a custom recovery. Something that a few years ago was a solution for a big number of users, now its just a work for those "geeks" that live for the challenge... The risks of brincking a VERY EXPENSIVE device are becaming bigger than the advantages that we would get with root... I guess we are playing into brands plans...
To be fair, brands also understood that they would have to give what users wanted if they wanted to avoid software alterations (except maybe Apple, who just gives what Apple consideres users should have)...
Customizations and bigger control of the software are trends that are growing up in Android skins (like OneUi).
I got my S21 Ultra a few weeks ago, and normally it would rooted and with a custom recovery by now, but the problems i faced with that in my Note 9, are still present in my mind... and i don´t want to face them again...
I manage to get my basic needs with some non-root software, and with GoodLock and Bixby Routines and can do almost everything i would do with the root... Still can´t avoid to have to install a third party software to record calls, something that could be done better with the native system, but that´s it...
In the end, you do you...
Just keep in mind the risks, and be ready to take responsability when something goes wrong... and the possibility of that happen is getting bigger every time they launch a new device...
RSGI
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Agree. The trend for Android devices aping the Apple philosophy is disturbing. But for lack of good alternatives, we are left without too many choices. OnePlus seemed to be doing well on this front but lately they've also gone rogue. So we have to live with what we have, whether we like it or not...
guyderam said:
I'm basically buying this particular phone for its excellent battery life
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Okay so who's gonna tell him?
To be perfectly honest, the battery life is the only gripe I have with this phone. It's quite mediocre for a 5000mAh battery. Of course everyone's usage is different, but I expected better battery life. If you're not a "heavy" user you should be fine though!!
As for bootloader unlocking: I've had 2 S21 Ultras. I had the first one unlocked for a dumb reason, wanted to flash some magisk module to enable all lenses in Google Camera ports basically. Which is kinda funny because now with OneUI 4.0 all the lenses are available in GCam
back to the actual topic, now that I have my second S21U, I don't see a reason to unlock the bootloader. From what I've seen there's only one or two Exynos custom ROMs that are regularly updated. That's the first thing. The 2nd thing is, I just don't wanna trip Knox again and void my warranty.
For me unlocking the BL is not worth it (at the moment). You should consider the pros and the cons of unlocking and hopefully it'll be easier to decide then.
With that being said, enjoy your S21 Ultra, man.
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Okay so who's gonna tell him?
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Thank you so much for the feedback guys.... got my questions answered. Doubt ill be doing anything for now. Gonna use it as it is and see how it goes.
Sadly yes, androids used to be fully customizable and this was the main reason people used to buy them. Unfortunately, phone companies seem to be making it harder and harder for us to do anything to our phones anymore these days.
Oh well....
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Thank you so much for the feedback guys.... got my questions answered. Doubt ill be doing anything for now. Gonna use it as it is and see how it goes.
Sadly yes, androids used to be fully customizable and this was the main reason people used to buy them. Unfortunately, phone companies seem to be making it harder and harder for us to do anything to our phones anymore these days.
Oh well....
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But really, what do you want to do with your phone that's not already in-built. I was thinking the same but over the years Android (and it's custom OEMs) have gotten a lot better with companies baking a lot of the magisk modules (their versions) into their ROMs...I didn't root my OnePlus 7Pro, neither the S21U..don't see the need to (at least for the time being)...
A few things, updates are forfeited after root and also be aware Android 12, One UI 4.0 is far from stable. If it hasn't been preinstalled you should consider ignoring the update until the numerous bugs are addressed. I've had a number of S Series devices, only the S8+ was a Exynos variant, all others had the Snapdragon SoC's and never had a warranty issue. I wouldn't buy the Samsung Care+ but it's like any other insurance, you hate paying for it but happy you did if you ever need it. Unless you're a power user battery life shouldn't be an issue but if it is you can review numerous posts for corrective solutions. Based on what you've shared it's probably best you hold off on unlocking the bootloader, to me there aren't many compelling reasons when one considers all the consequences. I think you'll be OK with the stock device.
I consider myself as a relatively advanced user and was always playing rooted with all of the S devices I had. There were always workarounds for root detection by apps and samsung itself BUT now things have changed and I regret having rooted my S21.
As samsung is enforcing its restrictions against root, I find myself (while being rooted) unable to connect my GW4, unable to use latest Samsung Health app, unable to use Samsung Pay and lately even the samsung account keeps disconnecting for "security reasons" several times a day... What a mess !
As previously said, returning to stock with locked bootloader won't give a 100% functional device as the tripped Knox will still be there preventing you from using some samsung apps and features !
If it gets more complicated, I only have 2 choices : get a "virgin" S21 or say goodbye to Samsung.
With that said, you now know where you're going if you choose to go that way