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How good is this phone? Is it worth going for this at this stage?

need some ques for firsthand users...is it laggy or smooth...hearing a lot of complaints about it...

go ahead, best phone at this price

There are touch issues with many of them, mine had also gone back to the service centre for touch repairs. Careful where you buy it from, you might not get warranty option

regret, i brought it based on its excellent specifications.
worst phone i ever had (china version).
better to buy xiaomi than lenovo, better of the worst.

saintsoh said:
regret, i brought it based on its excellent specifications.
worst phone i ever had (china version).
better to buy xiaomi than lenovo, better of the worst.
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what happened with your phone? the phone was pretty good in my opinion, did everything so well, i wish the camera was better but for the price its good. I only started the have touch issues after i dropped it from about 1.5m on concrete. I had the indian version but they are identical with different names and boxes

This phone is good..
If this phone is not good then xda won't let it have its own forum..
All those developers don't develope their rom or
They don't give all those supports..
For me its awesome..

You want the truth? Here you go!
I'm an end user of this phone myself and it is literally the worst phone I had ever experience because of this Phone I had to learn how to root and install custom recovery which I never done before in quite a while on the get-go. Not to mention that I had to learn about Xposed because it lacks customisation options. The Official OS sucks the worst trully! I prefer Nexus ROM by Dr. Root better. Specs are ok for the price and if you use Nexus Custom ROM as mentioned previously you will have a lot of free space for RAM. If you are a normal end consumer who wants it easy either look for another phone OR buy an iPhone, but if you have interest in technology and wants to customise your software, look no further this is by far the best cheap phone I used so far.
Here are the MUST you need:
1) Interest in android
2) Tech Savvy
3) Learn to root in anyway possible i.e. One-click root, SP Flash tool and/or adb fastboot
4) Learn more about Xposed framework
5) Learn to flash custom recovery using mobile uncle (or anything similar), SP Flash Tool and/or adb fastboot
Optional but very effective that you don't need the previos 5
6) Have a friend that can do number 1-5.
Once a gain and I quote "If you are a normal end consumer who wants it easy either look for another phone OR buy an iPhone, but if you have interest in technology and wants to customise your software, look no further this is by far the best cheap phone I used so far.". The Official ROM is full of bloatware that hogs your RAM thus choosing a Custom ROM is compulsory.

rpgiqbal said:
I had to learn how to root and install custom recovery which I never done before in quite a while on the get-go. Not to mention that I had to learn about Xposed because it lacks customisation options. The Official OS sucks the worst trully!
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No mate, you didnt have to learn it, you chose to do this yourself, you couldve simply used a stock launcher, but you didnt, you had youtube reviews showing it all, but you ignored that and still purchased the phone. The stock one isnt bad and the stock OS does not suck so dont go ahead blaming it because you didnt like it and made poor decisions.
buy an iPhone
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if someone is looking at buying this phone, why would they opt for an iphone which is 5 times the price?
OP its all about preference, if you have a price range and cant go higher, go for this phone, keep in mind, it has no app drawer, but you get used to it, also if you want an app drawer or stock feel, you can always install a launcher like google launcher or nova. This phone is very good for its price and i would highly recommend it, just be warned about the touch issues many users are facing

stock OS is one of the biggest sh*t (chinese version).
the moment it is connected, if u r lucky using wifi, otherwise data connection cost money wasted on all the bloated malwares downloaded.
worst of all, lenovo game center, apps/games applicable to china only.
if it is ROW (Rest-Of-the-World) maybe better, no gapps for chinese version.
local radio (ota) cut-off every 15 minutes.
speaker too small and soft, always missed call in my pocket.
heat up every fast.
everything in chinese widgets/themes/fonts...........
weather only in china cities......
lists continue....unable to uninstall bloatware, some unable to disable............
block all bloatwares permission to data connection/wifi/auto-start run/background-run still some able to auto-run............
how good can stock os be?
nonsense, it is so bad, tats why custom roms are put up on xda......
ps;
since i had this phone, there r several major updates (chinese version) in just a few months. this will never happens to any phone makers, reasons is very simply....too many sh*tty problems.
op if u r not tech savvy or know basic linux commands, get yourself a xiaomi. at least they provide google installation apps, world-wide recognitions (not limited to regions eg. china, india, russia) and lesser problems from the go-start.
pss;
i had to use Mediatek engineering mode app to boost volume level, risk damaging to the phone speaker or my expensive head-set.
psss;
one last sh*t from lenovo.......install lenovo usb driver......it will load chinese malwares.
pssss;
i promise this will be the last of my sh*t......ROW (Rest-Of-the-World) does not means the WORLD, it meant for india and russia. if u live in these countries, its ok to buy.

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No mate, you didnt have to learn it, you chose to do this yourself, you couldve simply used a stock launcher, but you didnt, you had youtube reviews showing it all, but you ignored that and still purchased the phone. The stock one isnt bad and the stock OS does not suck so dont go ahead blaming it because you didnt like it and made poor decisions.
if someone is looking at buying this phone, why would they opt for an iphone which is 5 times the price?
OP its all about preference, if you have a price range and cant go higher, go for this phone, keep in mind, it has no app drawer, but you get used to it, also if you want an app drawer or stock feel, you can always install a launcher like google launcher or nova. This phone is very good for its price and i would highly recommend it, just be warned about the touch issues many users are facing
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I never think it was a mistake, for me. It was good that I purchase the phone with faulty ROM since I get to learn anything and everything about android. It's a win for me since the specs ain't bad.

Buy it if you want some adventure with android.
one of the Best community for a mid-range phone.
I learned a lot of things by using this phone.
From flashing custom ROMs, using SPFlash Tools(Really helpful, helped many of my friends to recover from bricking.)
I suggest you to buy this phone.

Note 8 OS update warning issue...

Hi everybody, i have a problem about system os update. I do not want to update my os, it's very stable now. But note 8 OS, constantly warning me to update
Is there a way to cancel to update signals ( specially top on the settings widget, it's so annoying )
I did not try the bk package disabler. My friend says that program consumes to much battery, is it true ?
thank you,

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Hi everybody, i have a problem about system os update. I do not want to update my os, it's very stable now. But note 8 OS, constantly warning me to update
Is there a way to cancel to update signals ( specially top on the settings widget, it's so annoying )
I did not try the bk package disabler. My friend says that program consumes to much battery, is it true ?
thank you,
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Im using BK Disabler and do not consume to much battery..BK Disabler is the most safe way to stop os update.

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Im using BK Disabler and do not consume to much battery..BK Disabler is the most safe way to stop os update.
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thank you so much, i will try to bk package disabler.

Be aware that you are subject to serious security vulnerabilities if you don't update your firmware. Some recent flaws let an attacker take over your phone without your having to do anything (you don't have to download anything or visit a sketchy website or whatever). Malware can be installed that steals your passwords, reads or sends emails or texts from your phone, turns on and streams from your mic or camera, etc.

It would be one thing if they provided information as to what was in the update, but there is never any info. Just a mysterious update that is forced on your device, even if you turn off automatic system updates. It really pisses me off when I spend $950 on a piece of equipment, and I get no say in what goes on it. Basically, I don't even own it. I'm just paying to use it, twice. So yeah, I'd also like to disable all this crap, and decide for myself what I install and when.

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It would be one thing if they provided information as to what was in the update, but there is never any info. Just a mysterious update that is forced on your device, even if you turn off automatic system updates. It really pisses me off when I spend $950 on a piece of equipment, and I get no say in what goes on it. Basically, I don't even own it. I'm just paying to use it, twice. So yeah, I'd also like to disable all this crap, and decide for myself what I install and when.
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I think you are just looking at it wrong. Security updates/bug fixes are for your benefit. Not to break your device. They usually tell you what the update is or provide a more info link. But if you are curious just look it up. They aren't hiding anything. Your carrier is the one who finalizes and issues the update, it will be on their website. I am on T-Mobile and I have to check manually for an update before it will check the server. I know other carriers are different though. Some just push it. But either way it's stuff you are going to want. Especially since the next update is going to be Oreo. If you really don't want updates though it's not that hard to disable. Just figure out whatever app is responsible for checking the server and freeze it. Its all in your hands...

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I think you are just looking at it wrong. Security updates/bug fixes are for your benefit. Not to break your device. They usually tell you what the update is or provide a more info link. But if you are curious just look it up. They aren't hiding anything. Your carrier is the one who finalizes and issues the update, it will be on their website. I am on T-Mobile and I have to check manually for an update before it will check the server. I know other carriers are different though. Some just push it. But either way it's stuff you are going to want. Especially since the next update is going to be Oreo. If you really don't want updates though it's not that hard to disable. Just figure out whatever app is responsible for checking the server and freeze it. Its all in your hands...
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I'm on AT&T. They used to give you the option to look at info about the updates. They quit doing that a long time ago. I also haven't had much luck finding info on my own. I'm well aware that there are often security updates included. The point is, you have no idea what they are forcing you to install, and they no longer give you a choice. Or at least they try not to.
And, although I hate to sound like a conspiracy theorist, and I know there is no evidence to support the popular claim that manufacturers and carriers purposely slow down your device to push you to buy new products, these companies exist for one purpose, which is to make money. How many times have businesses been caught doing things they claimed they weren't doing? Most recently Apple was caught slowing down older devices, though arguably with good reason.
And what if I'm perfectly happy with my device on Nougat, and don't want Oreo? The point is, the choice should be mine alone, and I should be provided the information to make that choice. I'm the one shelling out almost a grand for a device that will probably last 2 years, if I'm lucky. Hell, I paid $700 for a laptop, probably 4 or 5 years ago, and it still works like new. It just doesn't have all the latest technology, but it still functions as intended when I purchased it. So forgive me if I'm a bit sceptical about my mobile device that slows down in less than a year, and is designed with no easily replaceable parts, like a battery. They want you to keep buying new ones. That's how they grow their business and make a profit.

VoidWarranty said:
I'm on AT&T. They used to give you the option to look at info about the updates. They quit doing that a long time ago. I also haven't had much luck finding info on my own. I'm well aware that there are often security updates included. The point is, you have no idea what they are forcing you to install, and they no longer give you a choice. Or at least they try not to.
And, although I hate to sound like a conspiracy theorist, and I know there is no evidence to support the popular claim that manufacturers and carriers purposely slow down your device to push you to buy new products, these companies exist for one purpose, which is to make money. How many times have businesses been caught doing things they claimed they weren't doing? Most recently Apple was caught slowing down older devices, though arguably with good reason.
And what if I'm perfectly happy with my device on Nougat, and don't want Oreo? The point is, the choice should be mine alone, and I should be provided the information to make that choice. I'm the one shelling out almost a grand for a device that will probably last 2 years, if I'm lucky. Hell, I paid $700 for a laptop, probably 4 or 5 years ago, and it still works like new. It just doesn't have all the latest technology, but it still functions as intended when I purchased it. So forgive me if I'm a bit sceptical about my mobile device that slows down in less than a year, and is designed with no easily replaceable parts, like a battery. They want you to keep buying new ones. That's how they grow their business and make a profit.
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It has been well known in the tech industry for years that Apple slows devices. They just finally got caught and now it's gonna back fire. I have never read of Samsung doing the same. They are a hardware company at heart. Apple just sells phones. They NEED people to buy the new ones. Just look at how fragile their stock is with one flagship not doing well. They are too dependant on brand loyalty and conspicuous consumption. They have a motive. I haven't seen any reports over the years of Samsung doing the same. Samsung has many revenue streams and sell more phones world wide at numbers that dwarf Apple. I dont think they put any thought into slowing devices. There is no motive there. But if you are paranoid all the same. Then i suggest buying unlocked phones and running custom firmware.

Is it true that the Global versions of the phone will not get anymore updates?

I was randomly browsing youtube when I suddenly felt the urge to search for this device however, with a filter to only get videos posted in the past 24 hours.
And I found this particular video which caught my attention immediately.
I watched it and within the first minute, my e-boner died. Apparently, this user contacted the support from Nubia who confirmed that the Global versions won't get anymore updates, like literally none. Not even security updates, let alone major patches.
I'm shocked and curious if anybody else knows anything else about this. I mean... those security patches mean a lot and I was expecting a minimum of guaranteed android Q update in the future. Yet... apparently the phone is practically dead, unless you force punch the chinese ROM down it's throat.
Can anybody confirm any of this? For me it would be a 100% deal breaker.
First, they completely cut off whatever piece of software they were using for the phone and gave us a very stock feel/look with cut down features and abilities. Now this? Nubia come on.

Don't worry about updates. You are worrying about a guy who spoke to a CUSTOMER SERVICE REP. Those people are paid hourly wages and don't know ANYTHING about when or if devices will get updates. Relax and enjoy this awesome phone.

Hi,
Given the past of ZTE/Nubia, I would not put too high expectations on updates.
Maybe we will have 2 or 3 updates in the phones lifetime.
But I would expect a major update like to Android Q (I am pretty sure this will not happen).
There's no secret : to release a device with those features at that price and with all bonuses (earphones + USB-C cable + external battery + joystick) they ahve to save some expenses. Where do they make those savings ?
Yeah, you guessed correctly : in support.
So ask a question to customer support => 3 days to get an answer to a really simple question.
And of course support of software : non existent. Probably made by interns but in no way some pros working there... If there were, they would never have released this totaly useless global software...
As far as I am concerned : the device is used only for GPS guiding when I am on the way. But for nothing else... That makes a 480€ GPS. Probably the most expensive device I've ever had...

Jesus. So the basic global software is so... basic that it fully cancels out it's usability?
Have you considered going through the pain of flashing the chinese ROM?
It's really worrying to see that there are quite a few people stating that this device might not see more than 3 to 4 software updates in it's life. It's fascinating to see that the device is in fact not really a priority...

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Jesus. So the basic global software is so... basic that it fully cancels out it's usability?
Have you considered going through the pain of flashing the chinese ROM?
It's really worrying to see that there are quite a few people stating that this device might not see more than 3 to 4 software updates in it's life. It's fascinating to see that the device is in fact not really a priority...
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I dont know what people have but the global rom is okay, i have no Bugs, battery lifetime is good and so on.

I totally agree with the previous poster.
I'm on global, which is basically Vanilla Android Pie.
The phone is smooth as butter and I have about 11 hours of SOT time.
Yes, at the moment it doesn't have Dark mode and the themes engine. I'm sure it will receive these soon.
I don't care about updates at the moment, will see about that in the future.
But I can assure you that at the moment global is quite ok.

Question Should I Unlock the bootloader?

First off, yes i have searched thru the forums for an answer but none of those that I found are direct to my questions...
I just placed an order for S21 Ultra Exynos. Should be arriving within the next 2 days or so..
My questions are: (this will be my first Samsung phone)
1) Is one UI good enough? or is it worth it to flash a custom from (previously I used to flash custom from for better battery life and also advance customization.
2) If I unlock the bootloader, will I still receive firmware updates?
I'm basically buying this particular phone for its excellent battery life, camera, and performance.
And also because Samsung promised 3-4 years for firmware updates. I believe this phone will last for at least 3 years.
And I'm thinking of unlocking the bootloader on day 1 itself before even setting up anything. That way I would save my time from losing stuff by resetting after unlocking BL.
3) and also, did anyone get the Samsung care+ extended warranty? Is it worth it?
I have never broken a phone before in my life thus far. But since this is gonna be the most expensive phone I have ever bought, I would prefer to secure my investment. (another reason why I'm considering not to unlock bootloader/root as of yet).
Thank you soo much.
Have not done rooting for a long time. Lost touch will all this stuff.
Hence the noobie questions.

1. One UI is quite good. There aren't a ton of custom ROMs out there for this phone. Even the most popular ones that exist are still based on one UI.
2. and 3. contradict each other. If you're bothered about warranty AT ALL, don't unlock your bootloader. You can never return to 100% stock on Samsung. Knox will remain tripped so bye bye warranty. Unless of course your country has laws allowing this and you can fight Samsung. They tend to deny warranty if you've modified your phone software. YMMV. I don't have Samsung Care so I don't know about that.
Since you asked for suggestions, mine would be not to be hasty and play around with the device to see if you need to unlock/root/flash etc.
Rooting on day 1 just so you can avoid having to set up phone again is pretty lazy and dangerous. Especially since you've been out of the game for a while.
Baby steps buddy. Better safe than sorry.

enigmaamit said:
1. One UI is quite good. There aren't a ton of custom ROMs out there for this phone. Even the most popular ones that exist are still based on one UI.
2. and 3. contradict each other. If you're bothered about warranty AT ALL, don't unlock your bootloader. You can never return to 100% stock on Samsung. Knox will remain tripped so bye bye warranty. Unless of course your country has laws allowing this and you can fight Samsung. They tend to deny warranty if you've modified your phone software. YMMV. I don't have Samsung Care so I don't know about that.
Since you asked for suggestions, mine would be not to be hasty and play around with the device to see if you need to unlock/root/flash etc.
Rooting on day 1 just so you can avoid having to set up phone again is pretty lazy and dangerous. Especially since you've been out of the game for a while.
Baby steps buddy. Better safe than sorry.
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Isn´t it sad, that we spent more than 1000 bucks on a device, that in the end, we will never truly own?
I´ve been thinking about this issue since i got my Note 9 (3 years ago)...
The balance between, what we want the device to do for, and what we are allowed to do in the device, without losing support in case of hardware failure...
I, mainly, used to root for 3 reasons: 1 - Ads removal from software; 2 - Control/modification of the system files and 3 - Easy backup and restore with TWRP
And as we all are aware, a few changes in a system file, can avoid the installation of a third party software (e.g. Call Recording) so it seems to be more efficient to root... but then come the brands claming that we can´t do it because that would ruin the user experience that they planned for the device...
The Knox feature as been buffed up to a point that is increasingly harder to install a custom recovery. Something that a few years ago was a solution for a big number of users, now its just a work for those "geeks" that live for the challenge... The risks of brincking a VERY EXPENSIVE device are becaming bigger than the advantages that we would get with root... I guess we are playing into brands plans...
To be fair, brands also understood that they would have to give what users wanted if they wanted to avoid software alterations (except maybe Apple, who just gives what Apple consideres users should have)...
Customizations and bigger control of the software are trends that are growing up in Android skins (like OneUi).
I got my S21 Ultra a few weeks ago, and normally it would rooted and with a custom recovery by now, but the problems i faced with that in my Note 9, are still present in my mind... and i don´t want to face them again...
I manage to get my basic needs with some non-root software, and with GoodLock and Bixby Routines and can do almost everything i would do with the root... Still can´t avoid to have to install a third party software to record calls, something that could be done better with the native system, but that´s it...
In the end, you do you...
Just keep in mind the risks, and be ready to take responsability when something goes wrong... and the possibility of that happen is getting bigger every time they launch a new device...
RSGI

RSGI said:
Isn´t it sad, that we spent more than 1000 bucks on a device, that in the end, we will never truly own?
I´ve been thinking about this issue since i got my Note 9 (3 years ago)...
The balance between, what we want the device to do for, and what we are allowed to do in the device, without losing support in case of hardware failure...
I, mainly, used to root for 3 reasons: 1 - Ads removal from software; 2 - Control/modification of the system files and 3 - Easy backup and restore with TWRP
And as we all are aware, a few changes in a system file, can avoid the installation of a third party software (e.g. Call Recording) so it seems to be more efficient to root... but then come the brands claming that we can´t do it because that would ruin the user experience that they planned for the device...
The Knox feature as been buffed up to a point that is increasingly harder to install a custom recovery. Something that a few years ago was a solution for a big number of users, now its just a work for those "geeks" that live for the challenge... The risks of brincking a VERY EXPENSIVE device are becaming bigger than the advantages that we would get with root... I guess we are playing into brands plans...
To be fair, brands also understood that they would have to give what users wanted if they wanted to avoid software alterations (except maybe Apple, who just gives what Apple consideres users should have)...
Customizations and bigger control of the software are trends that are growing up in Android skins (like OneUi).
I got my S21 Ultra a few weeks ago, and normally it would rooted and with a custom recovery by now, but the problems i faced with that in my Note 9, are still present in my mind... and i don´t want to face them again...
I manage to get my basic needs with some non-root software, and with GoodLock and Bixby Routines and can do almost everything i would do with the root... Still can´t avoid to have to install a third party software to record calls, something that could be done better with the native system, but that´s it...
In the end, you do you...
Just keep in mind the risks, and be ready to take responsability when something goes wrong... and the possibility of that happen is getting bigger every time they launch a new device...
RSGI
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Agree. The trend for Android devices aping the Apple philosophy is disturbing. But for lack of good alternatives, we are left without too many choices. OnePlus seemed to be doing well on this front but lately they've also gone rogue. So we have to live with what we have, whether we like it or not...

guyderam said:
I'm basically buying this particular phone for its excellent battery life
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Okay so who's gonna tell him?
To be perfectly honest, the battery life is the only gripe I have with this phone. It's quite mediocre for a 5000mAh battery. Of course everyone's usage is different, but I expected better battery life. If you're not a "heavy" user you should be fine though!!
As for bootloader unlocking: I've had 2 S21 Ultras. I had the first one unlocked for a dumb reason, wanted to flash some magisk module to enable all lenses in Google Camera ports basically. Which is kinda funny because now with OneUI 4.0 all the lenses are available in GCam
back to the actual topic, now that I have my second S21U, I don't see a reason to unlock the bootloader. From what I've seen there's only one or two Exynos custom ROMs that are regularly updated. That's the first thing. The 2nd thing is, I just don't wanna trip Knox again and void my warranty.
For me unlocking the BL is not worth it (at the moment). You should consider the pros and the cons of unlocking and hopefully it'll be easier to decide then.
With that being said, enjoy your S21 Ultra, man.

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Okay so who's gonna tell him?
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Thank you so much for the feedback guys.... got my questions answered. Doubt ill be doing anything for now. Gonna use it as it is and see how it goes.
Sadly yes, androids used to be fully customizable and this was the main reason people used to buy them. Unfortunately, phone companies seem to be making it harder and harder for us to do anything to our phones anymore these days.
Oh well....

guyderam said:
Thank you so much for the feedback guys.... got my questions answered. Doubt ill be doing anything for now. Gonna use it as it is and see how it goes.
Sadly yes, androids used to be fully customizable and this was the main reason people used to buy them. Unfortunately, phone companies seem to be making it harder and harder for us to do anything to our phones anymore these days.
Oh well....
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But really, what do you want to do with your phone that's not already in-built. I was thinking the same but over the years Android (and it's custom OEMs) have gotten a lot better with companies baking a lot of the magisk modules (their versions) into their ROMs...I didn't root my OnePlus 7Pro, neither the S21U..don't see the need to (at least for the time being)...

A few things, updates are forfeited after root and also be aware Android 12, One UI 4.0 is far from stable. If it hasn't been preinstalled you should consider ignoring the update until the numerous bugs are addressed. I've had a number of S Series devices, only the S8+ was a Exynos variant, all others had the Snapdragon SoC's and never had a warranty issue. I wouldn't buy the Samsung Care+ but it's like any other insurance, you hate paying for it but happy you did if you ever need it. Unless you're a power user battery life shouldn't be an issue but if it is you can review numerous posts for corrective solutions. Based on what you've shared it's probably best you hold off on unlocking the bootloader, to me there aren't many compelling reasons when one considers all the consequences. I think you'll be OK with the stock device.

I consider myself as a relatively advanced user and was always playing rooted with all of the S devices I had. There were always workarounds for root detection by apps and samsung itself BUT now things have changed and I regret having rooted my S21.
As samsung is enforcing its restrictions against root, I find myself (while being rooted) unable to connect my GW4, unable to use latest Samsung Health app, unable to use Samsung Pay and lately even the samsung account keeps disconnecting for "security reasons" several times a day... What a mess !
As previously said, returning to stock with locked bootloader won't give a 100% functional device as the tripped Knox will still be there preventing you from using some samsung apps and features !
If it gets more complicated, I only have 2 choices : get a "virgin" S21 or say goodbye to Samsung.
With that said, you now know where you're going if you choose to go that way

Question What has happened to one +

As far as I can remember OnePlus has had ROMs / mods / kernels and god knows what very early on.
This turd? it's at the back of a very long smelly queue, the level of interest is non existent.
If you're planning to jump ship to this!
Don't.
Get a pixel or wait.
For me if this phone fails then it's bye bye OnePlus.
WTH happened??

They became successful and don't need the community anymore. It wouldn't surprise me to find out the 11 series ships with entirely disabled fastboot like Oppo devices apparently have.

Those mods depends on developers... Those guys get old and do not care about development anymore.
We now have only the manufacturers and google mainly.
Including Android 13 beta, it's available for us.

EtherealRemnant said:
They became successful and don't need the community anymore. It wouldn't surprise me to find out the 11 series ships with entirely disabled fastboot like Oppo devices apparently have.
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I've got no words for that..
Just an emoji.
To you OnePlus

zopostyle said:
Those mods depends on developers... Those guys get old and do not care about development anymore.
We now have only the manufacturers and google mainly.
Including Android 13 beta, it's available for us.
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I've made a mod for this device mate. I've made guides.
Something is different with this device.
I just wish I'd seen it before.
Game over for me pal... Sitting with this crap OOS for another year?? No chance I'm getting the pixel 7 this turd it's getting sold

dladz said:
I've made a mod for this device mate. I've made guides.
Something is different with this device.
I just wish I'd seen it before.
Game over for me pal... Sitting with this crap OOS for another year?? No chance I'm getting the pixel 7 this turd it's getting sold
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Honestly the holdup is probably on Qualcomm. Sahara is updated v3.x, so all firehose tools we've had stopped working. If MSM was leaked successfully, people would be able to reverse the new protocol, so QCom probably put more restrictions on OEMs to prevent that. Additionally, sources still doesn't seem to be released so nothing really can be built against. Check out any SD8G1 devices and the dev support currently:
Moto Edge X30: https://forum.xda-developers.com/f/moto-edge-x30.12479/?prefix_id=33 (nothing)
Applies to other Motos: https://forum.xda-developers.com/f/motorola-edge-2022.12581/?prefix_id=33, https://forum.xda-developers.com/f/moto-edge-30-pro.12543/
Xiaomi 12 Pro: https://forum.xda-developers.com/f/xiaomi-12-pro.12493/?prefix_id=33 (sad)
Same with other Xiaomi SD8G1s, https://forum.xda-developers.com/f/xiaomi-12.12491/?prefix_id=33
Honor: https://forum.xda-developers.com/f/honor-magic-4-ultimate.12577/?prefix_id=33 (nothing)
Nubia: https://forum.xda-developers.com/f/nubia-red-magic-7.12563/?prefix_id=33 (nothing)
Realme: https://forum.xda-developers.com/f/realme-gt-2-pro.12549/?prefix_id=33 (nothing)
The pickings are gonna be slim if you wanna be on SD8G1 and want a custom ROM.

craznazn said:
Honestly the holdup is probably on Qualcomm. Sahara is updated v3.x, so all firehose tools we've had stopped working. If MSM was leaked successfully, people would be able to reverse the new protocol, so QCom probably put more restrictions on OEMs to prevent that. Additionally, sources still doesn't seem to be released so nothing really can be built against. Check out any SD8G1 devices and the dev support currently:
Moto Edge X30: https://forum.xda-developers.com/f/moto-edge-x30.12479/?prefix_id=33 (nothing)
Applies to other Motos: https://forum.xda-developers.com/f/motorola-edge-2022.12581/?prefix_id=33, https://forum.xda-developers.com/f/moto-edge-30-pro.12543/
Xiaomi 12 Pro: https://forum.xda-developers.com/f/xiaomi-12-pro.12493/?prefix_id=33 (sad)
Same with other Xiaomi SD8G1s, https://forum.xda-developers.com/f/xiaomi-12.12491/?prefix_id=33
Honor: https://forum.xda-developers.com/f/honor-magic-4-ultimate.12577/?prefix_id=33 (nothing)
Nubia: https://forum.xda-developers.com/f/nubia-red-magic-7.12563/?prefix_id=33 (nothing)
Realme: https://forum.xda-developers.com/f/realme-gt-2-pro.12549/?prefix_id=33 (nothing)
The pickings are gonna be slim if you wanna be on SD8G1 and want a custom ROM.
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There are MSM Tools out for ColorOS on the 10 Pro though. Three of them, in fact, are publicly available, they're just encrypted.
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If Qualcomm is going to start being anti-developer, I guess it's a good thing that Pixel doesn't use their processors anymore.

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There are MSM Tools out for ColorOS on the 10 Pro though. Three of them, in fact, are publicly available, they're just encrypted.
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Exactly, it got leaked but OnePlus put more protections around it. The thing itself is packed as well, I was able to start reversing it, and the protocol commands are COMPLETELY different. A lot of lower level things are much easier to reverse from dynamic analysis rather than static with vmprotect and other packers on. I don't really have time to do a full deep dive analysis on the protocol while not being able to even see it in action, just complete guesses. See https://github.com/bkerler/edl/issues/274 for a brief description in the 3rd post. Even if the loader is sent, the magic to start communication in firehose is now different as well, so after getting past sahara, now you have to deal with firehose.

craznazn said:
Exactly, it got leaked but OnePlus put more protections around it. The thing itself is packed as well, I was able to start reversing it, and the protocol commands are COMPLETELY different. A lot of lower level things are much easier to reverse from dynamic analysis rather than static with vmprotect and other packers on. I don't really have time to do a full deep dive analysis on the protocol while not being able to even see it in action, just complete guesses. See https://github.com/bkerler/edl/issues/274 for a brief description in the 3rd post. Even if the loader is sent, the magic to start communication in firehose is now different as well, so after getting past sahara, now you have to deal with firehose.
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Sounds like it is time to move away from Qualcomm then. I guess my next phone is going to be a Pixel after all. At least there I know that I'll get rapid updates that actually fix bugs rather than this nonsense with OnePlus that forces people to go to custom ROMs just to get basic functionality and a stable device in the first place.

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Sounds like it is time to move away from Qualcomm then. I guess my next phone is going to be a Pixel after all. At least there I know that I'll get rapid updates that actually fix bugs rather than this nonsense with OnePlus that forces people to go to custom ROMs just to get basic functionality and a stable device in the first place.
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Honestly I would just stick with OP9 on a supported stable rom of some kind and use it into the ground. Not sure what's going on but look at the dev section for Pixel 6 Pro, you got kernels, and that's about it, and it's been over 6 months since release already. The few roms that did come out are dying or dead.
If you don't care for custom roms to begin with, then samsung is always an option with an arguably better support promise than google

craznazn said:
Honestly I would just stick with OP9 on a supported stable rom of some kind and use it into the ground. Not sure what's going on but look at the dev section for Pixel 6 Pro, you got kernels, and that's about it, and it's been over 6 months since release already. The few roms that did come out are dying or dead.
If you don't care for custom roms to begin with, then samsung is always an option with an arguably better support promise than google
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Oh no, I definitely do care for custom ROMs, I am *never* happy being locked down to what the manufacturer wants me to have which is why my last Samsung was the Note 5. If I got a Pixel, I would probably install ProtonAOSP (which is available on Pixel 6/Pro), use the Pixelify Magisk module to get back anything I lost, and be happy as can be. The only reasons I didn't go with the Pixel 6 originally were the reports of the crappy screen, the crappy Samsung modem (that's still giving people problems), and the crappy battery life. The 6 Pro was out because of the curved screen, the crappy modem, and the crappy battery life. My OP9 has none of those issues, just janky stock software complete with a massive and unacceptable SoC throttle and a buggy boot/fastboot implementation that makes it easy to brick.
I am happy with my OnePlus 9 now that I have StagOS paired with OOS12 C.48 firmware, there are only very minor issues and one major one that I have to remember to work around every time I restart the phone, but I am never happy for long and I get grass is always greener syndrome pretty frequently lol. I have been keeping tabs on the OP10P forum because it was originally going to be my next device (I only just got my 9 in February and I'm already wanting something new) but obviously the situation right now with OOS12 being a dumpster fire and how many people have bricked their OP10P trying to root it or change the firmware between regions... it's not a great sales pitch for sure when there isn't an MSM available and it sounds like there won't be for quite awhile, if ever.

There are so many issues with this phone and I started to hate the OnePlus. I'm definitely going to change my OP10 Pro to Google Pixel 7!

Yeah, I've been a oneplus fan for a long time. AT&T forced me to upgrade from my OP7Pro due to them discontinuing the older bands and I got the 10 pro without much research.
It works great, I've been loving it and it hasn't had nearly as much bugs as others have said with the hangs and what not. Everything feels super crisp, but I definitely agree with the overtuning optimization. Can't even background a game to send a text without it closing. Terrible.
So I'm already thinking I should have gotten the 9 Pro. More 5G bands, why the hell they got RID of a feature is beyond me, and actual custom ROM support, albeit very new. I'm sure given enough time the 10 pro will have custom roms, but the drought sure is making me feel like trading it in for the 9 Pro.
TL;DR Definitely considering trading in my OP10Pro for OP9Pro.

Prant said:
Yeah, I've been a oneplus fan for a long time. AT&T forced me to upgrade from my OP7Pro due to them discontinuing the older bands and I got the 10 pro without much research.
It works great, I've been loving it and it hasn't had nearly as much bugs as others have said with the hangs and what not. Everything feels super crisp, but I definitely agree with the overtuning optimization. Can't even background a game to send a text without it closing. Terrible.
So I'm already thinking I should have gotten the 9 Pro. More 5G bands, why the hell they got RID of a feature is beyond me, and actual custom ROM support, albeit very new. I'm sure given enough time the 10 pro will have custom roms, but the drought sure is making me feel like trading it in for the 9 Pro.
TL;DR Definitely considering trading in my OP10Pro for OP9Pro.
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The phone is on point mate, the stamina and performance...even the camera is good (beside the lack of macro) video zooming is amazing and so smooth and stable, battery will last 3 days with little use or 10+ hours SOT otherwise, definitely 8+
Performance as I said is nuts. PS2 games? No problem, full 60 FPS which is a vast improvement over my 8pro, the 8 gen1 is superb, my phone's never got over 32-34c
I've read it's Qualcomm being bumholes, I've heard Devs just won't get it (waiting for the 11)
I've read all kinds of madness.
This would be the first time OnePlus has really dished out a dodo... Honestly the last time I felt like this it was with HTC, only we had ROMs to flash, I know things have changed and Google wants to go the way of Apple, probably to get a nod from corporate tools who couldn't care less and will still buy an iPhone anyway.
I know we only account for a small percentage of people who buy Android devices and mod them I think it was 5-10% maybe less. But it doesn't end with those numbers, every person on XDA (well a large number) are usually the designated IT as nominated by their mum/dad/sisters etc and we fix things for everybody, but we also influence what they buy so no that percentage is a load of old twaddle, if you couple the rooters with the people we influence and the people the talk to, then that number is a much higher percentage.
Just reminds me of the HTC one X when Nvidia got hold of it and locked it down, HTC never recovered from that, Samsung saw an opening and the Galaxy's S took over, I think the pixel or something else will do the same to OnePlus, have been looking at the nothing phone, it looks ridiculous but it there's a custom ROM scene for it then I'm heading that way after one year with this.

dladz said:
The phone is on point mate, the stamina and performance...even the camera is good (beside the lack of macro) video zooming is amazing and so smooth and stable, battery will last 3 days with little use or 10+ hours SOT otherwise, definitely 8+
Performance as I said is nuts. PS2 games? No problem, full 60 FPS which is a vast improvement over my 8pro, the 8 gen1 is superb, my phone's never got over 32-34c
I've read it's Qualcomm being bumholes, I've heard Devs just won't get it (waiting for the 11)
I've read all kinds of madness.
This would be the first time OnePlus has really dished out a dodo... Honestly the last time I felt like this it was with HTC, only we had ROMs to flash, I know things have changed and Google wants to go the way of Apple, probably to get a nod from corporate tools who couldn't care less and will still buy an iPhone anyway.
I know we only account for a small percentage of people who buy Android devices and mod them I think it was 5-10% maybe less. But it doesn't end with those numbers, every person on XDA (well a large number) are usually the designated IT as nominated by their mum/dad/sisters etc and we fix things for everybody, but we also influence what they buy so no that percentage is a load of old twaddle, if you couple the rooters with the people we influence and the people the talk to, then that number is a much higher percentage.
Just reminds me of the HTC one X when Nvidia got hold of it and locked it down, HTC never recovered from that, Samsung saw an opening and the Galaxy's S took over, I think the pixel or something else will do the same to OnePlus, have been looking at the nothing phone, it looks ridiculous but it there's a custom ROM scene for it then I'm heading that way after one year with this.
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On point brother,
This is happening atm, and my last op phone unfortunately. This brand was the pc of the smartphone world, modding and general feel wise but not anymore...

dladz said:
Just reminds me of the HTC one X when Nvidia got hold of it and locked it down, HTC never recovered from that, Samsung saw an opening and the Galaxy's S took over, I think the pixel or something else will do the same to OnePlus, have been looking at the nothing phone, it looks ridiculous but it there's a custom ROM scene for it then I'm heading that way after one year with this.
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Nah, something else might come along but not Google. You can always leave it up to Google to **** something good up.

Though I wouldn't communicate it in the same way (please keep it civil folks), I do very much agree that OnePlus has become exactly what they were up against back in 2014. They've become massive hypocrites by shutting out the community that made them. There was so much amazing development on the OnePlus One, which I have proudly owned as a daily driver for over 3 years, that a lot of community invented/inspired goodies ended up in all Android iterations by all brands active in the market today. It was truly revolutionary. And this is how OnePlus thanks us today: with a knife in our collective backs. Under the disguise of "improving security" – which is an easy excuse for a lot of things – companies like OnePlus and of course also Google have been striking development communities hard. Why? Not willing to deal with any liability or unpredictable situations (shareholders like keeping things predictable) I guess. The cool thing, though, is that we're still here and we're still developing!
I currently have high hopes for Nothing. If it'll be anything like Bacon, another community revolution is just around the corner...

Aldonski said:
On point brother,
This is happening atm, and my last op phone unfortunately. This brand was the pc of the smartphone world, modding and general feel wise but not anymore...
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Cheers ace, I was slightly inebriated last night

Timmmmaaahh! said:
Though I wouldn't communicate it in the same way (please keep it civil folks), I do very much agree that OnePlus has become exactly what they were up against back in 2014. They've become massive hypocrites by shutting out the community that made them. There was so much amazing development on the OnePlus One, which I have proudly owned as a daily driver for over 3 years, that a lot of community invented/inspired goodies ended up in all Android iterations by all brands active in the market today. It was truly revolutionary. And this is how OnePlus thanks us today: with a knife in our collective backs. Under the disguise of "improving security" – which is an easy excuse for a lot of things – companies like OnePlus and of course also Google have been striking development communities hard. Why? Not willing to deal with any liability or unpredictable situations (shareholders like keeping things predictable) I guess. The cool thing, though, is that we're still here and we're still developing!
I currently have high hopes for Nothing. If it'll be anything like Bacon, another community revolution is just around the corner...
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Huawei!! Seems they all sing from the same song sheet.
Bring back HTC, c'mon Taiwan. You got this bro..

dladz said:
Huawei!!
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