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So this may sound like a silly question, but I don't understand why anyone would buy a Moto X is they are going to flash a ROM that isn't blur based. Don't you lose all the functionality that makes Moto X great? Like the performance benifits of the Motorola X8, the active display, the touchless controlls... even the performance on the Moto X is well above what the tech specs would lead you to believe.
I used to be a flashaholic with previous phones but the only flash I did on the Moto X was a pre rooted stock based rom and I haven't felt the need to go AOSP. I broke my screen and Moto gave me a new one that I just got today ... contemplating what to do with my flashing situation to my new one since I have a fresh start.
Blackdrag said:
So this may sound like a silly question, but I don't understand why anyone would buy a Moto X is they are going to flash a ROM that isn't blur based. Don't you lose all the functionality that makes Moto X great? Like the performance benifits of the Motorola X8, the active display, the touchless controlls... even the performance on the Moto X is well above what the tech specs would lead you to believe.
I used to be a flashaholic with previous phones but the only flash I did on the Moto X was a pre rooted stock based rom and I haven't felt the need to go AOSP. I broke my screen and Moto gave me a new one that I just got today ... contemplating what to do with my flashing situation to my new one since I have a fresh start.
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I agree I tried PAC ROM and it lasted about an hour and I went back to stock. I missed active notifications and touchless control. I mean the ROM was great very smooth just missed what made my maxx a maxx. However there are people that may not use active notification and touchless control so a ROM is fine for them. I will never put another ROM on my phone I love it stock with xposed and gravity box. To me its the best of both worlds. And gravity box is updated every week or two with new features so it never gets stale. To each their own that is what i love about android there is something for everyone unlike apple which is take what we give you.
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I agree I tried PAC ROM and it lasted about an hour and I went back to stock. I missed active notifications and touchless control. I mean the ROM was great very smooth just missed what made my maxx a maxx. However there are people that may not use active notification and touchless control so a ROM is fine for them. I will never put another ROM on my phone I love it stock with xposed and gravity box. To me its the best of both worlds. And gravity box is updated every week or two with new features so it never gets stale. To each their own that is what o love about android there is something for everyone unlike apple which is take what we give you.
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Haha yah I know what you mean. Thanks for the reply! I was wondering if I was missing something like the features could be installed into CM or something but I guess I'm staying Blur On previous moto phones I always flashed CM or something similar I hated blur ... but the Google owned Moto X Blur is really AOSP with some nice features on top taking advantage of the X8.
EDIT: Also I was reading about Gravitybox as you replied to this I do think I'm gonna install that.
Gravity box will give you all or most the features of the custom roms and let you keep the Moto x features.
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Because some people believe that "pure" AOSP (even though custom roms aren't pure AOSP) is the be-all-end-all of Android.
Yea, i used to be a flasholic too whit my previous nexus 4, but I don't know why I just feel great whit the stock ROM of the moto X.
Active display its really great and extremely useful, maybe I will never want to have led notifications again. I want active nots forever In every future phone from now.
By the way, I think we don't need to flash Roms because we have almost native android, and if we use gravity box the result its better that cm or aosp.
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Is it just me or does it seem like a lot, not all, but a lot of the devs have moved on to other devices?
If so, it makes me sad to see that the first real Google phone was so quickly abandoned.
kungpowchicken said:
Is it just me or does it seem like a lot, not all, but a lot of the devs have moved on to other devices?
If so, it makes me sad to see that the first real Google phone was so quickly abandoned.
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How exactly are you defining this as "the first real google phone?"
Do the nexus devices not count?
kungpowchicken said:
Is it just me or does it seem like a lot, not all, but a lot of the devs have moved on to other devices?
If so, it makes me sad to see that the first real Google phone was so quickly abandoned.
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The other issue is custom features. Moto X users love active display and touchless control, and other than that it is AOSP. there is very little reason for development besides debloated / odexed roms, of which there are plenty
kungpowchicken said:
Is it just me or does it seem like a lot, not all, but a lot of the devs have moved on to other devices?
If so, it makes me sad to see that the first real Google phone was so quickly abandoned.
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This is the first phone I felt didn't need a custom ROM. I just installed xposed and gravity box and it's golden. Love this phone.
Unfortunately, the stock rom and features being so good has doomed development for this phone IMO. It's a bit expected since this is what I've wanted since my earliest days with with Android. Moto did a great job with it.
There isn't much demand for custom ROMs, especially since it's already running nearly stock (with useful enhancements that would be lost). If you want the miscellaneous customization options included in most ROMS, just install Xposed Framework and grab one of the various modules available (gravity box seems to be the most popular)
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The other issue is custom features. Moto X users love active display and touchless control, and other than that it is AOSP. there is very little reason for development besides debloated / odexed roms, of which there are plenty
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I have to agree there. I unlocked my Moto X but only to root it and put Xposed framework on it. After that I installed Gravity Box to customize it how I wanted.
CyanogenMod 11 is official for it but its not posted here. Dhacker forgot to make a Moto X thread. Its under msm8960dt instead of xt1060 etc.. as they unified all the Moto X builds: http://download.cyanogenmod.com/?device=moto_msm8960dt
The things I gave up using CM 11 when I tried it that brought me back was lack of NFC HCE support (Google Wallet Tap and Pay wont work), Touchless Control, and no Active Display. Granted ACDisplay app has made great strides and, once they get the gravity wake features enabled, I would not mind using that instead of AD. GW issue is something though that bothers me.
I think the only time I will consider a rom for this phone is once Motorola stops updating it and a new version of Android comes out that CyanogenMod is building from.
I too have to agree with what most people have been saying about the X. All of my previous Android phones were Samsung phones. I was a serious flashaholic with them. AOKP was my favorite on my S3. I hated touchjizz with a passion. Now, with the X, I'm completely satisfied with running stock. I never thought that would happen. All I have that's custom on my X is Faux's kernel. And, I'm happy as a clam.
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Yup.... This really isn't a "flashing"phone. Its an enjoy stock and the moto features and use gravity box to customize phone.
Very few seem to be using the ROMs that are available.... And as said, its cause you lose all the custom moto features, which are a big reason people bought the phone to begin with.
Also, the dangers of downgrading have played a part in people not wanting to mess with it too much I think.
I loved my x, and still recommend it to anyone I know looking for a phone....but yeah, I passed it to my wife for an n5....cause I was bored. Lol
Maybe you should try a similar move? Unless you're content. Cause unless the moto features make it to custom ROMs.....development won't pick up anytime soon. Maybe when updates end, then custom ROMs may pick up.
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I'll simply add that my 2 cents echo's those above - the phone does what I want it to do, and well. Its already running the up to date OS, which on prior devices was my main reason for flashing in the first place.
ROM development should pick up after our phones are dropped from OTAs. For the time being, stock does everything you need and it's crazy stable.
I bought this phone so I didn't have to rely on development.
Xposed framework seems to be all I need on this phone at least until it starts falling behind on future ota's as I plan on keeping it for a while.
Xposed Framework is more than enough to fill any custom rom desires.
Moto X is pratically AOSP with lots of really useful features like Active Display that I can't imagine living without now.
As much as I love AOSP and have loved using custom roms, Moto did too good of a job to warrant the constant flashing of nightlies, restoring backups, getting all my apps back, testing builds for bugs etc. I do still enjoy trying out different roms from time to time just for fun.
With all that said, I'm enjoying the stock based roms, and the stock rom + xposed. My plan is to continue using stock based roms and every month or so try a custom kernel, see what combination gives me the best battery life and smoothness, enjoy having a bug free phone, and taunt my friends with the awesome moto goodies (they really seem to envy touchless control, as they should!)
Honestly, once we stop receiving OTA's, I'll start looking for a new device. But, damn, it's going to take something special to force me to make a change.. A DE Moto X with unlimited data on Verizon, what the hell more could a guy want?!
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As much as I love AOSP and have loved using custom roms, Moto did too good of a job to warrant the constant flashing of nightlies, restoring backups, getting all my apps back, testing builds for bugs etc. I do still enjoy trying out different roms from time to time just for fun.
With all that said, I'm enjoying the stock based roms, and the stock rom + xposed. My plan is to continue using stock based roms and every month or so try a custom kernel, see what combination gives me the best battery life and smoothness, enjoy having a bug free phone, and taunt my friends with the awesome moto goodies (they really seem to envy touchless control, as they should!)
Honestly, once we stop receiving OTA's, I'll start looking for a new device. But, damn, it's going to take something special to force me to make a change.. A DE Moto X with unlimited data on Verizon, what the hell more could a guy want?!
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Its crazy how vzw makes you lose your unlimited data if you upgrade. At&t doesn't. But yeah I was going to get the gs5 but changed my mind. I'm going to hold off to see what the moto x+1 is going to be like. I'm pretty interested in the iPhone 6 and see what it has to offer also. But going to keep my x till later on in the year.
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Its crazy how vzw makes you lose your unlimited data if you upgrade. At&t doesn't. But yeah I was going to get the gs5 but changed my mind. I'm going to hold off to see what the moto x+1 is going to be like. I'm pretty interested in the iPhone 6 and see what it has to offer also. But going to keep my x till later on in the year.
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I actually just used all the upgrades on my family plan through best buy and kept the unlimited data, some glitch in the best buy system, used mine on an iPhone 5S and sold it. But yeah it sucks you have to jump through hoops and get lucky to keep unlimited with Verizon.
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i dont agree. development is not dead. if you look at the newest custom roms then you see 99.9% everything works. there is nearly every custom rom available.
there is just not too much kernel developers. it is ok because they also dont develop their kernels like before, they just import a kernel source from vendor and patch it with experimental features and you can not modify them without pay their apps. just remember siyah kernel and you know what i mean...
Its not like it needs it a whole lot. Its already running just about stock, already on a new build of KitKat, and has a lot of features you can't add in with another ROM like touch less control. We have xposed modules so what more can you ask for?
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I havent found one ROM that doesn't have an issue albeit small issues but issues all the same. Why flash a ROM that takes away touch less control and notifications and in my opinion doesn't run any better than stock., just to have small issues. There is just no benefit that I could find. The best ROM I tried was gummy but the stock email app continuously tried to load emails killing the battery.
Hello Moto X part of XDA.
While I have a low post count, I'm a big lurker in XDA and not completely new to all this... well. I am new to this phone.
I just received my moto X second hand, and I have a couple questions. I have read The complete Moto X guide and Im still not clear in a couple things
My device is already bootloader unlocked, but not rooted yet. I have android 4.4.3, I thought of rooting so and flashing a new ROM.
So here are my questions:
1. I can see the list of features of the ROMs, but I do wonder if they keep the original moto X functionalities (the active display, the dedicated cores/activities)? Or is it not mentioned because is common knowledge that by using a custom ROM all those things are gone?
2. Can I somehow edit the navigation bar? I come from samsung phones (yeah... I know) and I got used to having the buttons from left to right as "menu", "home", "back". I know this can be done in some ROMs (i had my moto G that way) but I was wondering if there's any way of doing it in the stock firmware?
3. Does the write protection on the root folders only apply to Bootloader locked devices? Since mine is unlocked, once rooted, I wont have a problem to write the root folders?
Sorry for the noobish questions, but I find surprising how different the moto G is to the moto X regarding the developnment.
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Hello Moto X part of XDA.
While I have a low post count, I'm a big lurker in XDA and not completely new to all this... well. I am new to this phone.
I just received my moto X second hand, and I have a couple questions. I have read The complete Moto X guide and Im still not clear in a couple things
My device is already bootloader unlocked, but not rooted yet. I have android 4.4.3, I thought of rooting so and flashing a new ROM.
So here are my questions:
1. I can see the list of features of the ROMs, but I do wonder if they keep the original moto X functionalities (the active display, the dedicated cores/activities)? Or is it not mentioned because is common knowledge that by using a custom ROM all those things are gone?
2. Can I somehow edit the navigation bar? I come from samsung phones (yeah... I know) and I got used to having the buttons from left to right as "menu", "home", "back". I know this can be done in some ROMs (i had my moto G that way) but I was wondering if there's any way of doing it in the stock firmware?
3. Does the write protection on the root folders only apply to Bootloader locked devices? Since mine is unlocked, once rooted, I wont have a problem to write the root folders?
Sorry for the noobish questions, but I find surprising how different the moto G is to the moto X regarding the developnment.
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1. Some ROMs based on other devices might not have Active Display. Some ROMs do. Check out the Moto X Android Development subforum and read the threads there. I also know that some ROMs use a AOSP active display replacement.
2. Most ROMs allow you to edit the navigation bar but you can also do this with Xposed.
3. Yes.
Let us know if you have any more questions ^_^
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1. Some ROMs based on other devices might not have Active Display. Some ROMs do. Check out the Moto X Android Development subforum and read the threads there. I also know that some ROMs use a AOSP active display replacement.
2. Most ROMs allow you to edit the navigation bar but you can also do this with Xposed.
3. Yes.
Let us know if you have any more questions ^_^
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Thanks a lot for the quick response. I think I'll stay with the stock firmware for now, while I get used to the phone, but I will root it and try with xposed. The main reasons I want another rom was precisely because of the navbar and tweaking the looks of the thing, but if xposed will allow me that, i see no reason to have a whole new ROM just for that.
Once again, thanks a lot for the quick response!
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Thanks a lot for the quick response. I think I'll stay with the stock firmware for now, while I get used to the phone, but I will root it and try with xposed. The main reasons I want another rom was precisely because of the navbar and tweaking the looks of the thing, but if xposed will allow me that, i see no reason to have a whole new ROM just for that.
Once again, thanks a lot for the quick response!
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You should be able to just install a custom recovery and flash SuperSU and then install Xposed. Not as simple for us locked devices
Happy rooting!
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Then you should install CyanogenMod and Gravitybox. You will have the best stock rom with constant nightly updates and the ability to do all the customization (Gravitybox) you need.
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Then you should install CyanogenMod and Gravitybox. You will have the best stock rom with constant nightly updates and the ability to do all the customization (Gravitybox) you need.
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Huh? CyanogenMod isn't stock....OR stock-based.
This means no Active Display or Touchless Controls.
Additionally, there are still some known bugs.
And finally, although nightlies will continue, this project is no longer being maintained for the Moto X because dhacker quit the project.
I disagree!
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I disagree!
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You may disagree... Its your right.
But the post above yours is 100% accurate. ?
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I disagree!
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To which part? Anyone who knows anything knows that CM is not stock based! Its based on source code from github as stated in the OP of that ROM here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-x/orig-development/rom-cyanogenmod-11-moto-x-t2719646
Confirmation that AD and Touchless Controls don't work are here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=53977187&postcount=248 and here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=52543363&postcount=67
Confirmation that dhacker is no longer maintaining the project can be located here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=54462994&postcount=303 or here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=54417178&postcount=294 or here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=54417194&postcount=295 (you can also check his TWITTER account)
One still-known bug (listed as recently as July 17th) can be found here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=54221828&postcount=276
So I'll ask again: what do you disagree with?!?!
I'm not badmouthing CM or it's (now non-existent) maintainers...I LIKE CyanogenMod. But everything I said would appear to be 100% correct. Especially about CM not being stock based (this is beyond obvious)....
Talking about customization on the X here is a example of Active Display. I wish moto will implement this later on though I think it might impact a Lil on battery life. Well for now I'll just test it. http://youtu.be/qk4-RpC8mUM
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Talking about customization on the X here is a example of Active Display. I wish moto will implement this later on though I think it might impact a Lil on battery life. Well for now I'll just test it. http://youtu.be/qk4-RpC8mUM
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I don't get it???
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I don't get it???
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That was pretty cool. I would like a nice COLORFUL active display. I just doubt that was running off the low-voltage-core. There wasn't any relevant info in the description of that video...
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That was pretty cool. I would like a nice COLORFUL active display. I just doubt that was running off the low-voltage-core. There wasn't any relevant info in the description of that video...
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Well I wanted for the clock to be able to choose different colors within the app. Maybe a xpose module.. But like I said it might impact in battery life though I'm not completely sure.. Maybe I'll just use darker colors ..
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Just wanted to get a list going of benefits for going to a CM ROM over aosp or stock. Go ahead and post up your thoughts and I'll try to update the OP with the info we gather.
- Benefits of CM (subjective of course)
-- Whispersync secure SMS messaging
-- Debloated carrier bloat
-- Built in performance mods (I.e. over clock, schedulers )
-- Out of box, built in visual customizations? (Themes, etc.)
-- Gestures
-- Quick toggle customization
-- Frequent updates (Could break some things however)
-- More to come?
Post the negatives too.
No proximity sensors.
No moto display.
No moto actions.
No moto assist.
None of the features that make the Moto X so special. Its a pretty big trade off to gain "themes".
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Themes aren't even in cm 12.0 yet..nor are quick tile customizations
CM is an unethical business person, his new company has shown how unprofessional they are and CM did some shady stuff with developers when he first started his company.
Don't show support for someone like him. I have used his ROMS back in the day and there was always something broken, or an update would usually break something that was previously working.
I used CM on my nexus 5, but I agree with mprziv, everything that makes the moto x the moto X is lost with another ROM.
CM made a shady move on their deal with OnePlus as well.
Agree with the previous posts. I liked a couple of things like sliding your finger on the status bar to adjust brightness, but CM on my GS3 really just resulted in a ton of problems like MMS/SMS not working, GPS problems, audio output problems, crappy signal/radio problems. I got so tired of the problems it actually drove me to using a TouchWiz ROM until buying a Moto X just so I could have the latest Android that works great as is without even needing root.
Updated op with some more benefits. One that I seem to be drawn towards is whispersync secure SMS.
In regards to moto x victara cm ambient display works really well, errr surprisingly well... And twist motion to open camera works on crpalmers unofficial build as does stow sensor work really well. Almost all the good features from moto are having very good working third party variants now. The one I miss is anytime OK Google now activation but I find I don't use it or need it that much and the secure messaging IMO is a better trade.
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CM is an unethical business person, his new company has shown how unprofessional they are and CM did some shady stuff with developers when he first started his company.
Don't show support for someone like him. I have used his ROMS back in the day and there was always something broken, or an update would usually break something that was previously working.
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Didn't know this. Link me some references if you recall. I'll also try to do some research....
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Updated op with some more benefits. One that I seem to be drawn towards is whispersync secure SMS.
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For whispersync to work don't both parties have to be running CM? Because that includes exactly 0% of my contacts.
guys
sorry for posting here but i think the members here are best qualified to answer this question. I have a nexus 6 running stock rom on verizon and want to get my wife something closest to it but she doesn't want a big phone. Anything 5 and under would do. What's the best phone that I can get her that that has plain google-type stock rom available for it? An older phone would do too but unfortunately nexus 5 doesn't work on verizon
Thanks
It's old, but:
http://www.ebay.com/bhp/verizon-galaxy-nexus
Otherwise, there's not much but perhaps a LG G2?
Your wife would be miserable with a Galaxy Nexus lol That battery life on Verizon's LTE will be destroyed in a few hours. If this were me and still wanted to do some tweaking on the phone's system, I'd go with a 2013 Moto X Developer Edition. It's not a Nexus, but it's stock Android with some Moto app enhancements.
Excellent suggestion! I completely forgot about the moto x.
You guys are phenomenal crazies - sorry ran out of adjectives but this forum is super and that recommendation is super-super!
1) How long do you see battery last with LTE turned on (basic email, maps & whatsapp)
2) Do you see stock rom development continue on this phone beyond Lollipop?
Thanks
Yes, we are only perhaps a few months from the official release of M so development will continue. Battery life is subjective and is mostly based on signal quality, apps used and screen brightness.
how about the samsung s3. Is that continuing to get new development like M?