..it was snappy to the point that for a moment I thought that these store demo units are rigged with an intel 2.6 ghz dual-core processor sitting in the back room.
Can someone explain why then the "Tilt" that has exactly the same processor/memory combo but just even the basic navigation of tapping menus, bring up programs, settings etc. was with probably 1 nanosecond delay on the Sprint Touch. Serious!
Infact, it was almost ironical when I activated the famous "touchflo" feature and found that to be quite less responsive compared to the other stuff. Still was lot faster than my Tilt in general.
I have Duttythroy's BIG STORAGE Rom which more or less is quite stable but man, for someone like me who literally uses my phone's various features etc. every 2 minutes or so in an entire day, I could surely use the overall operating system snappyness.. (if there is such a word)
Why.. Why??? Why my Tilt??! Why can't you run like your little brother!!
AJ
because it didnt have anything installed on it.
Put a stripped down rom on your tilt. it will be fast and snappy too.
a corvette is fast and snappy. throw 4000 lbs of potatoes in it and tell me how fast and snappy it is
still not convinced..
I agree with what you say totally. However, in this case I'm still thinking that after my additions to the Tilt and with the Touch "stripped-down", it can't/shouldn't be that much difference.
Come to think of it, even though the Touch may not have lot of programs installed it still did have full Set of Sprint bloatware in it. I played with SprintTV which was essentially mobi tv and other stuff was there as well.. so you can't say that the Touch had a major advantage in installed app dept.
I'll just get over it soon though... especially when I get to type 2-3 back 2 back near 160 char txt msgs and then turn on my TomTom mid way and see it lock on to GPS sats in like 20 secs or so... Touch!! naaah!!
AJ
now if we can just get some video drivers, we can have our cake and eat it too
Ha, go get the Touch then and load your programs on it, use it for a couple of weeks, and see how snappy it is then. Its not just programs, its configuration, messages, alarms, etc...
I don't really know what you're complaining about. My Tilt is quite snappy/responsive. Menus/programs load almost instantly. It's quite a bit faster than my PPC6700. It has several problems that I wish it didn't have...but I can't complain about the responsiveness of the unit itself. It's quite good.
So...the biggest question here is probably: "what today screen programs are you running?" If you're running some flashy today screen software I'd bet that's your problem. I'm a fan of the "clean" look so I don't use anything but HTC Home and the owner/calendar plugins.
Hey guys,
This is really disturbing me. I ordered my Kaiser from a company in Hong Kong because the one in USA was a stripped down version. It had some liquid damage so I sent it for repair. The phone just came back in the mail and the camera is very sluggish. When I move the camera around, the picture becomes blurry. When I stop moving it, the picture comes back to normal after a second or so.
The HTC guys said they replaced the main board. I don't know if that would have anything to do with it or if the ROM they installed on it is causing this to happen. I did notice that the radio ROM is older than what it had installed initially ( it was 1.83 now its 1.65).
Please advice what I should do to correct this problem.
Thanks in advance
Yeah it would be a good idea to try a new radio, as they have been proven to be related to the camera.(why a radio would have anything to do with camera hardware i dont know) Also there are newer htc cameraversions out which will give you a little speed boost. dont expect much, everyone's kaiser has a sluggish camera.Some say it is due to a lack of video drivers but we wont really know until(?) the drivers come out. the camera is actually pretty damn good as far as quality, but the screen responsiveness sucks mah bawls. For me, it was a matter of getting used to the laggyness, and its bearable. somebody please release some drivers dammit! hope this helped. peace.
Thanks for the reply.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=v5NM1aD9VrY In that video, you can see how responsive the screen is when the guy moves the camera to take the picture of a Treo. My phone's camera was as responsive as that. Now, it behaves like a camera of a normal flip phone where the picture gets blurry when you move the camera.
I will try upgrading the radio ROM and the regular ROM and see if that will work.
EDIT: They installed WM6.1 but I had WM6 when I send it for repair. Could that be the reason for sluggishness? Can anyone confirm if the camera gets sluggish when you install WM6.1 on kaiser?
Hello,
I own a MDA Vario III, And when I preview what I want to put on a photo, it really lags(like 3 fps). Is there something what would fix it? I have been searching whole internet and found a topic about some rumored Graphic's driver. and a update from HTC, But couldn't find it. Sorry if I didn't saw something. Please give me a link to it.
BTW: sometimes it doesn't lag, and sometimes it does :S
I really apreciate this =]
-Armazia
Hey Armazia, the camera lags only when under low light conditions, the FPS is very bad at this point cos of the lighting conditions, however under better conditions the FPS dramatically increases because of better lighting conditions. There isnt a permanent fix to this because the actual camera component is causing it, drivers and things wnt work, htc jus put a crappy camera in, you cant really do much about that. Saying that i know of atleast one way to get better FPS while under low light.
1. On the phone activate the camera
2. Now on the phone activate the camera
3. Cover the lens with ure hands.
4.while keeping the lens covered put the phone into sleep mode(by pressing the power button on the top right handside of the phone.
5. Make sure you dont have S2U2 slider thingy intalled and running.
6. Now press the power button again to wake the phone up making sure you are still covering the lens with your palm.
7. Now remove your palm, there should be better FPS, you might have to do it until you can actually get it to work, you have to this a few times to get used to it.
Hope That Help!
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Hey Armazia, the camera lags only when under low light conditions, the FPS is very bad at this point cos of the lighting conditions, however under better conditions the FPS dramatically increases because of better lighting conditions. There isnt a permanent fix to this because the actual camera component is causing it, drivers and things wnt work, htc jus put a crappy camera in, you cant really do much about that. Saying that i know of atleast one way to get better FPS while under low light.
1. On the phone activate the camera
2. Now on the phone activate the camera
3. Cover the lens with ure hands.
4.while keeping the lens covered put the phone into sleep mode(by pressing the power button on the top right handside of the phone.
5. Make sure you dont have S2U2 slider thingy intalled and running.
6. Now press the power button again to wake the phone up making sure you are still covering the lens with your palm.
7. Now remove your palm, there should be better FPS, you might have to do it until you can actually get it to work, you have to this a few times to get used to it.
Hope That Help!
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I knew that fix yes, But when I press power button while in camera, and then power on. The camera closes and im on the today screen again. viewing memory doesn't show camera. So my phone closes the program after power off.
Hmm thats weird, there must be a setting somewhere on the phone which can disable that. I use that mothod on my HTC TyTN II and it works most of the time, what rom are you running?
Im running rom version 1.56.144.4. Should I update? I dont really want to, because I dont wanna screw up my phone
Ive had my kaiser for a few weeks now and i knew abt this site before from my old phone(HTC TyTN), so ive used and flashed quite a few roms now and it hasnt had any negative effects on the phone from the custom roms, as long as u read the guides in the stickies everything should be fine. so yeah in my opinion id upgrade it. but its up2 u nyways.
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Ive had my kaiser for a few weeks now and i knew abt this site before from my old phone(HTC TyTN), so ive used and flashed quite a few roms now and it hasnt had any negative effects on the phone from the custom roms, as long as u read the guides in the stickies everything should be fine. so yeah in my opinion id upgrade it. but its up2 u nyways.
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Is that Titanium Ultimate 23049 TPCElite Anything? Could you send me a link to the topic? Many thankies for you =]
PS: Will this one Work? It says AT&T Tilt, I suppose thats the Vario III. Link: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=421007
hey there, the rom im using is pretty good, its fast and a lot more finger freindly cos its using a new build of windows mobile 6.5 professional.heres some links
Read this really before doing anything
Code:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=433835
any rom in the kaiser rom development thread should work, theres quite a few really so its up2 u which u like the feel and look of.
Heres the link to the rom im using, its bin updated recently.
Code:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=519715
Thanks for the links. I will take a look at it when I have some time I have already been trying to flash HardSPL.. Worked fine
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Thanks for the links. I will take a look at it when I have some time I have already been trying to flash HardSPL.. Worked fine
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I have the rom working now im now testing the best radio, and then im done thank you very much for your help!(and yes, when I turn power off and onwith camera like you said, it works .
I've been obsessing over the N1 since launch. Android is super neat, and unlocked phones rock. The only thing that really held me back from the purchase was the multitouch issue. I could easily see having to reset my screen with a lock cycle would drive me crazy. That said, I love the idea of the N1, and wish to escape my iPhone prison.
I recently purchased a Galaxy S phone, but am annoyed by the lack of support (saw this coming) and non-functioning locational services. The GPS and Compass are totally and utterly busted. Sadly, Google stopped selling the N1 on the day I decided to order one. However, I have been given a second chance, by purchasing the dev phone (which I am now considering).
So, let's make this like ripping off a bandage. Have mercy, internet. I have questions that require honest answers. I'm sorry if you've heard it all before, but this kind of information is annoyingly hard to dig up. Lightning Round, Go!:
Is the multitouch problem with the N1 (inverse axis swapping when two points cross) still present with 2.2?
Do any custom ROMs, apps or tweaks solve this issue? I read that the Moto Droid had a software setting ticked that allows proper multitouch (a sort of software hack), that google had not opted to enable by default? Sounds a bit silly to me, but what's the deal?
Does your screen still lose track of your fingers (inputing the wrong characters on the keyboard), causing you to lock cycle your screen to reset the digitizer?
Are the touch-buttons difficult to use?
A fellow N1 owner I met told me that his phone showed no signs of the multitouch 'bug', when using 'Multitouch Vis Test'. He said he was running the Modaco ROM. Is it true that something in this ROM fixes the multitouch problem?
Thank you, Princes of Internet.
Personally i dont experience any multitouch issues on my n1. Im running stock froyo 2.2. I have only had to re-lock my screen once and it never happened again. The capicative buttons below the screen take a bit of time to get used to at first it might take you a couple of tries to register a click but a few hours of use you get the hang of it.
Sent from my Nexus One using XDA App
Thanks for the reply.
Would you mind taking the 'Multitouch Vis Test' app for a spin, to see if the problem is gone, or if you just don't notice it?
If the issue is gone, would you mind making a youtube vid of it?
The multitouch on the n1 will not be "fixed" unless google/htc decided to use different hardware. If you can live with a device that can only do pinch to zoom, but not true multitouch, then the n1 is fine.
Honestly at this point, I'd hold off until you see the rest of HTC's lineup that's coming up before december.
Jon C said:
Is the multitouch problem with the N1 (inverse axis swapping when two points cross) still present with 2.2?
Do any custom ROMs, apps or tweaks solve this issue? I read that the Moto Droid had a software setting ticked that allows proper multitouch (a sort of software hack), that google had not opted to enable by default? Sounds a bit silly to me, but what's the deal?
Does your screen still lose track of your fingers (inputing the wrong characters on the keyboard), causing you to lock cycle your screen to reset the digitizer?
Are the touch-buttons difficult to use?
A fellow N1 owner I met told me that his phone showed no signs of the multitouch 'bug', when using 'Multitouch Vis Test'. He said he was running the Modaco ROM. Is it true that something in this ROM fixes the multitouch problem?
Thank you, Princes of Internet.
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1) It was possibly noticable in 2.1, in 2.2 in months now I havn't see it once. You can see with the visualiser you really have to know how to force it to get it to go, its just not something which will occur with correct commands you'll be doing.
2) Its down to the hardware, I'm not aware of any custom ROMs which have anything/anything significant.
3) The only time I EVER get this is with beta super bundles of ROMs, which is either the fault of the ROM, something going skitz in dalvic, how I installed it, or just a self generating bug. All of which are easily fixable. However if you were to stay with stock or more tested ROMs, you'd literally never see this.
4) For me they just work, at the start yes they wouldnt act the same a touch screen, but now they'll act like I want maybe 99% of the time. Sure friends using it to start with have to get used to it, but its not 'broken' if you will. The only thing I will mention is if your using it in weird orientations, there is a chance of hitting the buttons [mainly search] without meaning to with parts of your hand.
5) Again, this problem ONLY shows up if you know how to 'break' it. With 2.2+ its really hard to do it if you handed the phone to someone who's never used it before, because also again you wont be doing any commands which would conflict with the limitations, so you have to be misusing it in the first place to get the bug.
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Honestly at this point, I'd hold off until you see the rest of HTC's lineup that's coming up before december.
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Agree with this.
Multitouch is completely crap on the n1. I loved it otherwise, yes every now and again it goes wack and registers the wrong thing... the capacitive buttons also suck and are hard to get used to... on Multitouch test its wacky and registers the wrong finger and won't register more than 2...
Great device, but galaxy is better.. I don't have any gps issues so can't complain about that.
No. No roms will fix the Multitouch issue. Nor make it any better.. if your into gaming with controls on the same axis forget about it, if ya want Multitouch keyboard forget about it...
I still have yet to ever experience the actual axis switch issue using this phone in real world. Sure the issue exists, but it just doesn't effect a single thing unless you use a certain game. But even that works fine, watch YouTube videos showing emulators on the nexus.
The point is, if you're looking for a reason to not get the nexus, The axis switch issue is not the reason that should sway your decision.
I recently came from an iPhone and I haven't noticed any difference in the multi-touch screen (except maybe in the typing on occasion, which I just attributed to my big fingers). I'd say for a good 95%+ of what you would do on the phone you can't tell any difference between the iPhone or N1 multitouch.
With the touch buttons on the bottom of the screen... Sometimes I hit one while typing, which takes me back to the home screen, but since the N1 has true multitasking all I have to do is reopen the app. A minor inconvenience. Or I could just type in landscape mode and not have any trouble at all.
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I still have yet to ever experience the actual axis switch issue using this phone in real world. Sure the issue exists, but it just doesn't effect a single thing unless you use a certain game. But even that works fine, watch YouTube videos showing emulators on the nexus.
The point is, if you're looking for a reason to not get the nexus, The axis switch issue is not the reason that should sway your decision.
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Games like toonWarz or nova will mess up. Has the controls on bottom right and shooting on bottom right. So when your running using the left controls and shoot real quick with the right, it'll now wig out and keep shooting even when you let go and the dude will walk a different way be cause now the sensor thinks your touching in a different spot..
Now you can let go of the left finger then shoot but when ya need precision in some shooting games you will be dead if you do that....
Pinch to zoom is fine and emulators with controls on the top and bottom vs just the bottom ( same axis), but for games like nova, heavy gunner, modern combat, ps1 emulator (unless it has opposite axis controls) which mine don't, took Warz, etc. It will not work properly ....
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Games like toonWarz or nova will mess up. Has the controls on bottom right and shooting on bottom right. So when your running using the left controls and shoot real quick with the right, it'll now wig out and keep shooting even when you let go and the dude will walk a different way be cause now the sensor thinks your touching in a different spot..
Now you can let go of the left finger then shoot but when ya need precision in some shooting games you will be dead if you do that....
Pinch to zoom is fine and emulators with controls on the top and bottom vs just the bottom ( same axis), but for games like nova, heavy gunner, modern combat, ps1 emulator (unless it has opposite axis controls) which mine don't, took Warz, etc. It will not work properly ....
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this is a good explanation of what is effected. if you're a big gamer then consider it, but things like pinch to zoom in the browser, maps, pics, works just as great as ever.
Thanks for the feedback, guys.
Coming from the Galaxy S, I imagine I will miss a few things. One of them being: media playback and overall storage.
I guess with the N1, I'd need to find a non-bootlegged 32GB microSD card. But my other question would be: is there an easy way to play all of the content that the Galaxy S can handle, or is the GPU in the Samsung phone so much better that the N1 can't keep up?
I really like that about the SGS: I just drop movies (mp4, xvid, divx and so forth) onto the internal ROM and they play without issue. Media capabilities are very nice.
Does the N1 play lots of videos like this out of the box? If not, is there a decent media application?
Also, about HTC's other devices: I'd love to wait, but I'm worried that the newer phones won't have nice accessories. The N1 has that awesome car dock, that I would use all of the time. The SGS doesn't have any accessories like that, and it makes me sad. Most of HTC's N1 follow-up lacked similar docks and cradles.
If I return this SGS (likely), I will probably be jumping to the N1, just for that 'official' feel of it (very sturdy, solid first-party accessories).
You have no idea how sad I was, when Google announced they were giving up on creating their own phones. Hate them all you want: but Apple really has that system (solid build, quality integration / lack of fragmentation) nailed. I was really hoping that Google could bring that unification to Android with their own branded devices.
Loving Android, though. Never going back to iOS.
Anyone saying the n1 doesn't suffer from multitouch issues is sadly mistaken. The one thing that bugs me about the n1 is the touch screen issue. You won't be able to play games like nova, or certain games on emulators (when using dpad plus buttons that are at the same level it has issues) and it does have issues when crossing the axises.
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Anyone saying the n1 doesn't suffer from multitouch issues is sadly mistaken. The one thing that bugs me about the n1 is the touch screen issue. You won't be able to play games like nova, or certain games on emulators (when using dpad plus buttons that are at the same level it has issues) and it does have issues when crossing the axises.
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everyone said the issue exists it just doesnt show up unless you...play....games. otherwise its a non issue.
The N1's touchscreen is totaly crap. There is a thread about touchscreen issues at oficial forum. It has more than 2000 posts explaning all problems of nexus one touchscreen. Check it out.
Sent from my Nexus One using XDA App
Jon C said:
Thanks for the feedback, guys.
Coming from the Galaxy S, I imagine I will miss a few things. One of them being: media playback and overall storage.
I guess with the N1, I'd need to find a non-bootlegged 32GB microSD card. But my other question would be: is there an easy way to play all of the content that the Galaxy S can handle, or is the GPU in the Samsung phone so much better that the N1 can't keep up?
I really like that about the SGS: I just drop movies (mp4, xvid, divx and so forth) onto the internal ROM and they play without issue. Media capabilities are very nice.
Does the N1 play lots of videos like this out of the box? If not, is there a decent media application?
Also, about HTC's other devices: I'd love to wait, but I'm worried that the newer phones won't have nice accessories. The N1 has that awesome car dock, that I would use all of the time. The SGS doesn't have any accessories like that, and it makes me sad. Most of HTC's N1 follow-up lacked similar docks and cradles.
If I return this SGS (likely), I will probably be jumping to the N1, just for that 'official' feel of it (very sturdy, solid first-party accessories).
You have no idea how sad I was, when Google announced they were giving up on creating their own phones. Hate them all you want: but Apple really has that system (solid build, quality integration / lack of fragmentation) nailed. I was really hoping that Google could bring that unification to Android with their own branded devices.
Loving Android, though. Never going back to iOS.
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The gpu is OK. But definitely a lot less powerful than the sgs, you will notice in movies, live wallpapers and especially games... there's a decent video player called rockplayer that plays a lot of stuff like avi and xvid , but its not ad good as the sgs player ...
Put it this way, either stay sgs and have a not so well navigation but awesome everything elsex or go nexus with good GPS but a old touch sensor that will hardly recognize both fingers on anything other than pinch to zoom.....
The only real world scenario i have encountered the axis switch is when you do a pinch on an album in the gallery to have it flick through them, it switches often when doing that.
Nexus One multi-touch sucks for games. I've tried some fancy gameloft games that req two fingers on screen, or PS & gameboy emulators that req this and it drives me insane. Can be so frustrating for gaming and is the only thing that I find a let down for this device. I wish I knew before I purchased it because the gaming although not the only thing I brought it for is something that I thought would be cool on my phone.
Simply put, don't get the N1 if mobile gaming is important to you. I'm not talking about simple single tap games, but the intricate ones (PSX Emu, EA Sports, Gamesloft, etc). If you could live without it, the touchscreen is fine for regular day to day use.
Or just root and carry your favorite bluetooth game controller. I have a mini bt keyboard that works great for emulators
Hi guys. Recently I've noticed a bad camera problem with my IncS. You see when I open the camera app ( on MIUI's ROM ) it lags pretty badly. When I point the camera at one direction, and move to another, it lags. But if I repeatedly click my menu softkey button while moving my camera around, it doesnt lag at all. Does anyone know a fix to this? Thanks in advance!
oh and I restored back to the original ROM I had running which was the official htc's latest rom for the IncS and the camera works fine. no lag issues. Seems like when I flash AOSP roms, the camera lags. help?
I find any AOSP rom has laggy camera in low light
When I take it to better lighting conditions the lag goes away
You're not alone mate
I think it has something to do with trying to take in as much light as possible when there is not enough
@markj338 yeah I actually thought that that might be a possible reason to its horrible lag, so I took it outside this afternoon at around 12pm. It was bright but still the lag was there. And just to be clear, its no ordinary lag. It's like if i point at one place, it shows that place, but when I move my camera away, it waits for around 10 seconds before it shows that place. If you get what I'm trying to say here.. Sorry for the horrible english. But yeah.. that's the problem :/ thanks anyway appreciate it.
Oh mine only lags a bit
When I move, the image will be slow and distorted and will take its time to focus
But not 10 secs, mine is like less than 1, its just choppy and distorted
I'm on CM 7.2
Mine could probably be classified as 'ordinary lag'
Like if you were using a crappy low range phone
What rom are you using, and does this happen in all lighting conditions?
@markj338 well right now im back on my sense rom. the official one. I restored. But I tried miui's rom, cm7.2 and the camera's the same. When I click the menu button repeatedly, then it's ok. but if i dont click anything, it lags a lot....... so yea
Strange.
But I do find the sense camera to be the best