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alright it is with great pain that i am writing this, but i really need some help here. for months i've read the forums, searched for answers, asked little individual questions, IMed with people directly for help... and i'm still having trouble.
i rooted my T-Mobile G1 all the way back when cupcake first came out. everything was great. life was grand. everything ruled. i was a happy android fanboy, talking friends into switching to android, talking crap about iphones... the works... but slowly things started getting slower and slower and slower...
the obvious thing was to wipe and reflash. i was constantly just updating to newer cyanogen roms at that point without wiping. so i wiped to the newest cyanogen at the time (can't remember at this point, but just picture it was like a couple months after cupcake). so things were good again for a little bit, but then it started slowing down again, getting FC's, etc. so a friend recommended i switch to superD... i did, and again, everything was great for a while. i consistently upgraded superD roms (sometimes wiping in between sometimes not). eventually i got to the point where i was on the most recent superD release. it lasted about a day before things started slowing down. examples include when i hit home to exit an application and go to the home screen, the whole screen would either turn black or just show my wallpaper for a good 5 seconds before my home screen would appear, or opening the browser would take like 10 seconds. lots of slow down.
so with the help of a friend i decided to completely wipe and reformat/repartition my sd card. i bought titanium backup but i didn't even bother with it, i said to myself, look, you barely use any of the stuff you have right now, how about just start fresh and reinstall things as you need them manually. so i formatted, repartitioned (using amon Ra's recovery, using the menu option that helps you do it automatically). i made sure i had the most recent radio and spl (this was just a couple months ago), and reflashed the most recent superD (i think its 1.11 if i remember correctly)... again, maybe one day of good performance before everything slowed down. this was also about the time when my battery life started becoming an issue. i'm not exaggerating when i say i couldn't make it home without breaking under 20% battery by the end of the day... and i really don't use my phone THAT much. i'd say i'm a little above average on my usage. i'll get into my widgets and apps in a second, but i really don't use that much stuff...
SO... continuing my story (thanks for sticking with me if you're still reading...). when cyanogens 2.1 for the g1 rom came out (5.0.8d/s) i decided it was time for a change. i reformatted AGAIN, repartioned AGAIN, and flashed 5.0.8. basically, i've got the same story going on. slowdowns, poor battery life, etc.
so here i am with my cyanogen 5.0.8 flashed g1. let me tell you about apps and widgets and stuff. right now i have a regular wallpaper (not live), 14 icons between my 5 screens and just the google search and power management widgets. i used to have calwidget, the genie widget (both news and weather), and the setcpu widgets too, but i decided to take them off to see if it would help with performance. zero help. apps that i either know for sure are always running or i think may have some impact are twidroyd, newsrob, craigsnotif (craigslist notifier), and dealdroid. i don't think any other apps are running and/or do automatic updates for content and stuff like that.
i also use cachemate (purchased) regularly to clear my caches. apps2sd is enabled.
i'm not sure what other information you'd need to help me out, but just let me know and i'll try to give you more details.
right now, i've got slow down like almost all the time. things are constantly pausing, slowing down. i feel like i'm back on my t-mobile mda with winmo5 haha. and forget about it with the battery. i left the house with 90% battery this morning. i went to the gym. went home. picked up lunch. came to work. its been like 4 hours. i currently have 19% battery. all i've done is make 2 phone calls, about a dozen text messages and i've sent 2 tweets (about my battery problem haha). i also used google maps once to look up a number. my wifi and gps is off.
so there we go. really guys, please please please. help me out if you can. any help would be appreciated. i'm so sick of this. and i'm stuck in contract until july 2011. so i'm not getting a new phone any time soon. i gotta figure this thing out.
i really appreciate your help.
thanks.
Dave
OH... and PS... forgot to mention that I just got a new battery this week thinking maybe the battery was just getting old and bad. obviously, no such luck.
I had the same issues till I flashed a SuperD, then everything was fine. I just recently flashed the Froyo from Cyanogen and its like it fixed everything and I'm on a brand new device (knock on wood)!
How old is your G1? Do we know if there are issues with the first run out of the factory? Is that even an issue?
i got the g1 last july. so it was already out for a while at that point. it was new from a store though. i suppose there could be something actually wrong with the phone itself, but i don't know. i was thinking of trying the cyanogen froyo but because its not a stable release yet i figured it would be just this bad or worse...
I promise cm5.0.8 has wonderful battery life when no custom apps are installed and not on any network..
so the question is what is your phone doing, and ought it be doing what it is doing.
There are some nice built in tools for this
Applications->running services
And
Applications -> manage applications (check out the filter in the menu from that screen)
You may be surprised by the apps the think they need to constantly have a service running for some painful trivial job the android API has better interfaces for.. if in addition to that you don't need the app uninstall it.
Otherwise experiment with comp cache and lock launcher in memory.
another example, as i was reading this i was on the phone and i just finished the call and hung up, and i was previously in text messages, it took 12 seconds for my text messages to come up. thats just insane...
as for running services:
- GTalkService <--- I use GTalk all the time
- GenieRefresh Service (Restarting) <--- weird considering I disabled this widget, although I'd LIKE to have it back
- Maps FriendsAppWidgetUpdater (Restarting) <--- never used this in my life
- NewsRob UnreadWidgetProvidor (Restarting) <--- never used the widget before (as a matter of fact, you have to pay to use the widget and i have the free version... weird)
-Twidroyd Background Service <--- understandable, I use this constantly
- AKNotepad Snaptic Update (Restarting) <---- umm... I use this all the time but I don't know why a notepad program would need an updater service running... interesting...
- Swype <---- gotta have that
- CM Updater (Restarting) <--- Don't really think that needs to be on all the time. Can easily manually refresh that...
So that's it. I didn't realize this was included now. Very cool. On older roms I had to use task managers which don't seem to really work. I'm going to stop everything except twidroyd, gtalk and swype right now and see how that does... at the bottom it says Avail: 3.2MB+0.00B in 0 ... Other: 55MB in 4 ... While typing that the Maps FriendsAppWidget just popped back up... I'm gonna see if theres a setting...
In the meantime, does any of this give you any ideas? thank you so much for the advice. Also what does (Restarting) mean?
ezterry said:
Otherwise experiment with comp cache and lock launcher in memory.
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oh and i have compcache not checked and launcher in memory IS checked... i just tried turning on the compcache option... lets see how that goes...
ok so...
now that i know about those things that were running, i stopped all the ones i don't need, and also went into the apps to see if there was any options for turning off automatic updates, background syncing, etc etc for those things... i'm gonna charge my phone while getting ready to go out and then we'll see how it goes throughout the evening. lets see if i make it home with more than 20% battery left (i'll be gone for like 5 hours). if so then we're on to something here still i find it weird that i can't have a few widgets loaded. but whatever, i'll take a smoothly running phone that lasts all day and i just have to click on icons to get to stuff any day... thanks for the help, i'll let you know how its going tomorrow.
the next day
ok so i tried the compcache and keep launcher in memory options last night, messing with both settings. i found that every possible combination became very unstable other than the one i already had (which was compcache off and launcher in memory on). after trying to shut excessive running services like i mentioned yesterday, and also restarting the phone and then shutting them again, i got NO difference in performance OR battery life...
so back to square one... any ideas guys?
thanks so much for any help you can give me. i really really appreciate it.
polarbearmc said:
ok so i tried the compcache and keep launcher in memory options last night, messing with both settings. i found that every possible combination became very unstable other than the one i already had (which was compcache off and launcher in memory on). after trying to shut excessive running services like i mentioned yesterday, and also restarting the phone and then shutting them again, i got NO difference in performance OR battery life...
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Um... The compcache instability scares me a bit
Compcache has had issues (maybe still does) where the first time you enable it the phone crashes.. but then works fine with Compcache on reboot. Otherwise it really ought no make the phone unstable. (it may or may not speed things up depending on how memory is being used.. usually however it allows 12MB of memory that is rarely used to be compressed, allowing a little more active memory to be utilized) You may want to look into wiping dalvik-cache both on the internal memory and SD card:
Enter console and run (this will restart the phone)
Code:
rm -rf /data/dalvik-cache/*
rm -rf /cache/dalvik-cache/*
rm -rf /sd-ext/dalvik-cache/*
reboot
if you get an error about no files found thats not an issue; but other errors may indicate a problem.
This may help system stability (with or without compcache) .. but won't do anything about the battery life (nor speed unless something was seriously wrong)
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Unfortunately you will either need to erase all your apps and just run stock CM5 [maybe slowly restore your apps you really need] -- OR -- be very patient and debug whatever application(s) are causing issues on your phone (and maybe complain to the dev for failing to read/understand google's documentation on how to write android applications.. not that some of the google apps haven't quite figured that out until recently)
Thus again the main question is what is running on your phone.. The places I mentioned before allow you to see the services (most of which usually restart if you run the related application again) but not strictly all the details to look for.
Example 1 An widget service is likely holding onto memory starving timer services (those not listed) and swapping out other services (phone/launcher making everything feel slow) At the same time the widget is not very active usually and may not connect to the internet at all; thus may not reduce battery life.
Example 2 An IM client on the other hand may requires a service to keep TCP/IP connections alive, and if not coded properly may be very persistent and cause a slow continual stream of data from your phone requiring a large amount of power to keep the phone on 2G/Edge.
Example 3 A Task killer an kill tasks that re-spawn, or kill a task in use if it doesn't know better causing things to behave in strange ways.. so can killing services/applications from the setting screens btw.. but at least that is a one off by user decision not a automatic operation in the background. Tasks when re-spawned may require more data from the internet thus more power to 2G/Edge
User: Then the one that causes me the most problems: A user that keeps the phone in his/her pocket rather than surfing the web, checking XDA, or continuously checking the battery level is using the device less thus will have longer battery life. (careful to not fall into this trap)
Other Ideas:
SetCPU: set the sleep CPU low in profiles (sleep for me is 245/160)[/*]
Verify End action: Settings->End Button Behavior->Go to sleep[/*]
Set longer periods between polls in applications that poll the net (example twitter every 10 or 20mins.. not 5)[/*]
Larger net transfers on wifi if available (example tell newsrob to sync on wifi only) wifi drains the battery faster than idle, but is much cheaper if larger amounts of data are involved.[/*]
As you can see many things will impact the system. You will need to find the ones eating your battery
Another helpful screen for debugging this may be Settings->Spare Parts->Battery History and Settings->Spare Parts->Usage Statistics
I get between 4h and 12h batter life under semi-normal conditions. 4h = surfing 3g + tappatalk + games.. 12h check email/tweat if i get one.. otherwise stays in my pocket. I've seen my test phone hang out for days on a 2g network without data. (so you can always set your apn type to mms if you just need it to be a phone for many hours.. mms keeps mms support btw)
Ebuddy (and most other MSN/AIM/ect chat clients is frequently one of the biggest problems on my phone.. so if I need more battery those are the first to go.. and whomever it is can poke me on gtalk/txt/or wait
Good luck in your search.. Took me a while to make cm5 work as long as cm4.. most of it was mis-behaving apps that I either know to shut off when I need longer battery life.. or have found replacements for.. or avoid widget functionality if the widget was misconfigured. (
i was doing my 5k run with my recently updated hero and about a mile into the run pandora radio started skipping and then stopped. when i looked at my phone it was rebooting. i have task manager and killed all the apps before i started and unchecked jogtracker and pandora so i could use them. it didnt last long. the phones screen froze and dimmed then crashed until it finally restarted. is there a reason for the crash. seems to me like a memory problem. i have a two gig card with one pt. five left on it. and the internal memory is at 91mb. it always worked before i rooted and installed cm6. the phone in general is way faster and more responsive since i put cm6 on it but for some reason the two apps running together arent working. thanks for any help
Try removing the task manger reboot into recovery and wipe Dev/ cache and try it then might work good luck
Root-Hack-Mod-Always™
I've tried running with and without various task managers and always wind up uninstalling and reminding myself that I should know better.
I seriously don't think Froyo and these mods need a task killer. If anything, they seem to cludge things up. My phone was running beautifully for two weeks and earlier today I thought I'd try out a different task killer. Mistake. I uninstalled it after 1/2 hour because it just made the phone feel funky.
Try running without for a couple weeks....
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I've tried running with and without various task managers and always wind up uninstalling and reminding myself that I should know better.
I seriously don't think Froyo and these mods need a task killer. If anything, they seem to cludge things up. My phone was running beautifully for two weeks and earlier today I thought I'd try out a different task killer. Mistake. I uninstalled it after 1/2 hour because it just made the phone feel funky.
Try running without for a couple weeks....
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+1, CM6 does not need a task killer/manager. The best method is to download AutoKiller (which lets you alter Android's internal memory manager, much more effective than task killers) and change the settings to Strict or Aggressive. Also, two of the biggest problems that create soft reboots that you describe is (a) the VM heap size being too small and (b) CPU speeds being too high. So, steps to take:
1) Uninstall task killer
2) Install AutoKiller and change settings to Aggressive
3) Change SetCPU/Overclock Widget settings to 691 max/595 min with screen on, 480 max/245 min screen off
4) Change VM Heap size (in Cyanogenmod Settings) to 24 MB and reboot
The only other possibility I can think of would be kernel instability. If you flash Decand3nce's #14 Stable kernel found here it is far more stable than the stock kernel and (IMHO) has much better performance than the stock kernel.
These steps should rectify any memory and/or CPU overconsumption problems you are having that could cause the reboots (as well as make your phone much faster, smoother, and more stable). If these steps don't fix it, it most likely is a problem with one of the apps themselves.
Good luck!
thanks for the help.
also on the restart i got this message Sorry the applicating spring updater (process com.sprint.ce.updater) has stopped unexpectedly. please try again. force close. this is probably the cause of all the problems thanks
the changes u pointed out seemed to have fixed the phone so far. thanks so much for the great instructions. u da man.
i noticed a couple times a day the phone reboots. should i back off of some of the settings.
kevinr12345 said:
i noticed a couple times a day the phone reboots. should i back off of some of the settings.
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Yup, lower the max cpu.
Froyo Hero to the rescue
what is the VM Heap size for what does it change. mine is at 16 right now.
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what is the VM Heap size for what does it change. mine is at 16 right now.
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Its the amount of memory each application can take up maximum. You tend to get smoother running stops with higher vms; I set mine to 24.
Froyo Hero to the rescue
OG Droid with Liquid Smooth 3.2 (same problem with 3.1). I haven't tried many other roms, so I don't know if this is a problem with my hardware (the phone is refurb and only 1 month old) or if I installed something that is breaking things.
The issue: If I receive a call the phone will allow me to answer (move slider) but then lock so that the call is in speaker phone mode (or at least very loud) and I cannot control anything on the screen. The power button will turn off the screen, but that's it. The other person apparently cannot always hear me, so I don't know if the mic is working at that point. If I let the call end, the phone does not recover. The only way to recover seems to be to pull the battery.
Last time this happened, the caller could hear me so I let the call end. After a minute or two, com.android.phone popped a force close message. A minute later, another app popped a force close. It did not recover even after an hour or so. Battery reset worked.
This issue is not consistent. It occurs maybe 1 out of 20 incoming calls. I had the issue on LS3.1, so I upgraded to LS3.2. Same issue. I can try another rom (CGM7.x), but I really like LS so I'd like to see if there is a resolution.
Is there a log mode I can enable to see if something consistent happens when the phone locks? I have a task killer installed. Could that be an issue? I'm not doing anything that I would have thought could be considered challenging for the phone (answering a phone call), so I'm not sure what to check.
I had this problem often on my droid 1. I ran CM7 nightlies and Prime's kernel at 1.1GHz.
Mostly it happened while I was doing other things with the phone. I think it was due to low RAM.
If you check settings - manage applications - running, how much free RAM do you have?
I usually had 40-50MB free and that wasn't enough.
Ditch whatever you can from your apps and OS to free some up.
TiBU allows you to chuck a lot of system stuff that's not really needed.
I would still be on my OG if it weren't for this problem, so I hope you find a solution that works for you.
A lot of people are on Steeldroid with the droid 1. It's still getting updates. Maybe try that.
-CM7 on DInc2
In general, this happens when the phone is just sitting there (nothing but the regular system stuff running essentially). The last time this happened where the force close messages appeared I had the web browser open. I hadn't considered ram, but that's a good possibility. I do have Advanced Task Killer running as a service, so perhaps that is related.
With ATK non running, it says I have 115MB used/64MB free. 15MB of this used memory is for settings.
With ATK running, it claims 68-79 free (it's set up to kill tasks since I was worried about memory hogs originally).
I'll look into Steeldroid. Like I said, this is a new phone. What I didn't say is that my wife got it for me to see if I would use a smart phone (was on an old lg texting phone before and this thing is physically much larger). She got it for super cheap, so if I have to go with something different, that wouldn't be the end of the world. If that were the path forward, can you recommend a couple good options with full slide out keyboards?
Thanks!
I dunno, I loved the physical keyboard on my old OG, but I left it behind when I jumped moto for HTC.
D2, D3, and D4 are supposed to be great improvements over the D1.
I see the dev for Steeldroid has a D3 version that's up to date. Maybe look for one of those?
I've always been a Motorola fan. Maybe I should have stuck with them, but I figured I'd have to get used to screen keyboards at some point...
I'd say try Steeldroid on your OG first, get a good kernel to go with it, ditch the task killer and let android handle it. See if that helps.
Good luck! B-)
-CM7 on DInc2
Hello everyone.
I'm running on cocore 9.8 and ikaster's pure vanilla rom, with hungarian baseband. I would say I'm moderately satisfied with the phones performance most of the time. I mean apps run smoothly, except when I have a program running(lets say WAZE, facebook, clash of clans, or even poweramp) and I get a call. This makes the phone lag hard, if it manages to proceed to showing the dial screen in time, and I get to actually pick up the phone, it still lags for about 5-10 second while the calling party is waiting for me to join the conversation. What I must say could be really embarrassing and annoying. What I am looking for is a solution for this. What I thought about, is to set up a process what clears my memory, or exit the application running right when the call comes in. Since 95% of the time I'm not doing anything uninterruptable on the phone (clash of clans or facebook) I wouldnt mind shutting down Everything for a call. Because it's a phone afterall, and I want to be able to pick it up.
I'm also ready to switch rom's if it is necessary to obtain better multitasking or prioritizing, if it's worth the hassle. I've been reading the hyped roms lately, but the responses are pretty mixed, and I'm not confident enough it is worth spending hours on installing a different rom(i know installing takes minutes, but costumizing, installing applications, and generally getting familiar with the new stuffs could take a whole bunch of time), I would love to try them all, but I just dont have the time to mess around with it. Besides I have work calls to make quite often. I'm aware that you are not allowed to recommend any rom (try it for yourself is the policy), but I would like to know if you think I could get better experience if I switch maybe to the indian baseband or the latest italian, or go with cm 10.2, even if there is any way to fix this problem.
How i got along with the phone is that I clean the background applications mostly after I'm done using the phone for now, this way it responds fine, and works alright. But sadly I can't do that when a call comes in. I don't even understand why this is have to go this way, since what I've read is that the OS should deal with the background applications and ram management, but somehow it doesnt seem to work as smooth as it should and it often requires manual cleaning. Also i do not use task killers (i've read they do more harm than good), I do it manually long pressing the home button.
again what i see as the easiest and 'best' option is to find a way to make the phone do this automatically whenever a call comes in, and possibly do it before the ram gets filled up and the phones goes numb.
Thank you for your help in advance
Hi Everyone. I'm relatively new here, but would appreciate any advice offered.
I've had my M7 for almost 2 years now, and it's been a great phone. My issue is that the phone seems to have randomly become very slow. When I got the phone, I was amazed at how quickly the phone booted. Now when I do a reset, it easily takes 2-3 times as long as it used to. More importantly, the phone will lag when turning on with the power button (to the point where I wonder if I hit the button hard enough, and push it again, causing the phone screen to come on then immediately go off). Responding to texts is slow, the keyboard will occasionally lag opening up. Texting is sometime laggy as well, with words not appearing for several seconds. Scrolling through web pages is also laggy at times. Gaming is relatively fine; I haven't noticed any slow down issues when playing, although I suppose games could load faster, but I can't notice if there is a difference from when I got the phone until now.
The phone has also gotten wonky with adjusting the volume. Sometimes I will try to adjust the volume, but it adjusts the app/games volume instead of the main/ringtone volume (when I'm not in an app or game).
I do have a lot of stuff on the phone, but routinely clean out photos and apps I don't use. I'm using 23.8 gigs out of the 32g available, so I should have plenty of space. I also close out apps regularly, so I don't think it is a memory loss issue.
I've wondered if it is the apps running in the background. It's hard to tell, as the biggest ram offender is "settings." Right now for example, settings is using 76MB of ram, but i have no idea why. I've closed all apps as well. I'm on AT&T, so of course I have a bunch of their crap running in the background, but most of it is relatively small.
I've thought about doing a factory reset, or even rooting, to see if that would help, before I decide to just go ahead and upgrade to a new phone. Any suggestions? Thanks for the help!
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Hi Everyone. I'm relatively new here, but would appreciate any advice offered.
I've had my M7 for almost 2 years now, and it's been a great phone. My issue is that the phone seems to have randomly become very slow. When I got the phone, I was amazed at how quickly the phone booted. Now when I do a reset, it easily takes 2-3 times as long as it used to. More importantly, the phone will lag when turning on with the power button (to the point where I wonder if I hit the button hard enough, and push it again, causing the phone screen to come on then immediately go off). Responding to texts is slow, the keyboard will occasionally lag opening up. Texting is sometime laggy as well, with words not appearing for several seconds. Scrolling through web pages is also laggy at times. Gaming is relatively fine; I haven't noticed any slow down issues when playing, although I suppose games could load faster, but I can't notice if there is a difference from when I got the phone until now.
The phone has also gotten wonky with adjusting the volume. Sometimes I will try to adjust the volume, but it adjusts the app/games volume instead of the main/ringtone volume (when I'm not in an app or game).
I do have a lot of stuff on the phone, but routinely clean out photos and apps I don't use. I'm using 23.8 gigs out of the 32g available, so I should have plenty of space. I also close out apps regularly, so I don't think it is a memory loss issue.
I've wondered if it is the apps running in the background. It's hard to tell, as the biggest ram offender is "settings." Right now for example, settings is using 76MB of ram, but i have no idea why. I've closed all apps as well. I'm on AT&T, so of course I have a bunch of their crap running in the background, but most of it is relatively small.
I've thought about doing a factory reset, or even rooting, to see if that would help, before I decide to just go ahead and upgrade to a new phone. Any suggestions? Thanks for the help!
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Plug the phone into your pc and copy the entire contins of the sdcard to a folder on your pc. when it's done do a factory reset from the bootloader
setup the phone as a new phone and only copy back the stuff you really need and use. This should be done about every 6 months in my opinion
How is your storage? I had the same symptoms a few months ago, and what fixed it was clearing up some space from the phone. It used to have only 2-3 GB space left, and when I removed all the media files I got 12-13 GB free space left, and suddenly the phone is back to snappy again!
When I encountered the same situation, I was rooted and running CM 12, but no amount of wipes would resolve the issue. What I did that resolved the issue was to load the RUU for my HBOOT version, re-root my One, change the system to S-Off (hence not updating the HBOOT version), and then reloading everything. In all honesty, it took about 8 hours if you include the banging my head against the wall trying to download the right files, but the performance is increased about 25%, with the battery performance having increased about 30%. Before, about 4 hours of activity would kill it, now she can handle 5 to 5:45 of activity. I was initially thinking about grabbing a new phone, but the change after reloading everything makes me think that another she'll be good for another year.