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hi. i have had my eyes on this tab S 8.4 LTE since it was announced. i have been saving a lot so as to get this tablet.
the day i got all the money for this tablet saved, i went to the Samsung store and bought the device right. hell, i even paid extra for the Bronze color one.
i felt blessed and happy. after like half an hour of using the tablet, i found the stutter and lag to be all over the UI. it was not deal breaker but definitely was Heart breaker. for a premium one of a kind, Samsung Flagship tablet, i didnt expect that. i have owned Note 3 and both have EXACTLY the same hardware other than the screen.
but i got over that and accepted that as part of deal from samsung cause after all it had Touchwiz. i personally love touchwiz. i really do.
after like a week of usage, i started to feel like the battery on this tab is giving up on me. i tried every thing there was to try. i rooted it, removed the bloatware, installed greenify, swapped roms, minimized brightness and all i was advised by good folks here on this very good community of xda.
then i was told that many people here found the solution by re-sitting the battery connector on the mother board. and i tried that. i removed the back cover, with all the pain and cringing, and REALLY found the plug to be very loose. looked like some child had it just PLACED it on its place. it was not even all the way down. i did that, and boom, i got the battery back to normal, i un-noticed all the scars and scratches there were because of removing the back cover.
after like 4 or 5 days same **** started happening. battery would fail after like 3 hours of screen time and that also doing nothing just plain UI browsing, because my tab was in the period of showing it to friends and relatives. u know the usual stuff. people asking u to let them see your new tab. every body praised and loved the SUPER AMOLED!
after like some time, it literally gave up on me. it would not boot, it would power on. it would charge and that also very weirdly, when i plug it it sometimes said, 50% battery, then at the next second i remove the charger and re-connect it and it would show, 89% battery. the next second i would remove and re-connect the charger and it would say 4% battery.
i could not do anything. so i went to samsung OFFICIALL sales & repair centre and I LITERALLY MADE THAT STUPID ***** WRITE DOWN ON THE JOB SHEET TO NOT LOSE THE IR BLASTER COVER THINGY. they gave me 15 days of time for to repair it and asked for Rs 5000 which is equivalent to US $ 55 approx. i was like, ok if u fix it all well i can pay that. and FYI, the TABLET WAS IN FREAKING WARRANTY! IT WAS ONLY 20 DAYS OLD!
you get where im going? well i called them 15th day and they didnt pick my phone. i tried for next 2 days and they didnt pick any call. i went to their office and asked them what happened of the tablet. they said sorry we could not fix it and we were told this by our ENGINEERS the second day. i was like why didnt u tell me that before why make me wait 15 days and they said our phone was dead... MOTHER****ERS!
i asked them to return my tablet, they charged me Rs 1000 approx US $10 BEFORE returning me the tablet.
when they returned me the tablet, it had that IR blaster cover lost. i was so angry i cant explain. i could not do anything against them i went there 3 times and waited for like 30 min each time JUST TO SEE THE MANAGER AND HE NEVER MET... i wish they all die in deepest pits of hell for eternity. amin.
anyways, firstly i didnt trust the local small repair shops but i had no choice i gave the tab to one of shops and he repaird it for me in like 1 day. i was really happy. but he charged me Rs 3000 about US $30.
i started using the tab and it was fine. i got the normal 6-7 hours of screen on time. and btw, he didnt replace any thing including the batter.
since this saturday, the same **** started happening AGAIN. i went to the same shop and gave him the tablet to repair. just today he called me and told me the expense for this time repair would be Rs 5500 approx US $55.
NOW, this is my experience with samsung's greatest tablet ever. i have learnt my lesson the hard way i guess. Spending US $40 or $60 might not be a big deal for some of you Europeans or Americans out there but im from Pakistan. im a student. i dont get money very often to repair my ****. and that also a mere 28 days old BRAND NEW OUT OF THE ****ING BOX TABLET.
i know, i might get hate here as well, cause not many these days, understand others problems.
but i would advise you all new comers NOT TO GET THIS TABLET EVEN IF U ARE GETTING IT VIA SALE. i paid the full price and even more cause of import fees and taxes.
and btw, its not just me, there are many people who didnt get the battery life they were told they would get.
you have been warned.
Why didn't you get a replacement by warranty? Didn't get that.
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Why didn't you get a replacement by warranty? Didn't get that.
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HAHA... replacement? there is no such thing as replacement here mate! they only talk to the customers until they pay them and thats it. after that they dont have any time for you. as i have already said, they were not even ready to return me my device which they had ****ed up by losing the IR blaster cover. they said first i need to pay then they will return my tab. its been one of the ****ed up experiences of my life.
and to top things off, no one is there to complain. no executives, no senior person, no managers NOTHING! only sales girls with fake smiles and little cleavages. u see, women here, especially women who work in such sales department, like all over the world are used very wrongly. and in our country you can not even look at a woman with anger, let alone talk to them about the **** they did wrong to my tablet.
its very very saddening situation here man, very very saddening! people who have resources get everything and students like myself or people who have not much relations are the victims. i know if i were in any other country i could have sued their asses off. but here NO.
and its the device its self thats the problem. u see if samsung cuts its product lines even 25%, and works more on QC and software, things like thing would never happen.
all the hype around S6 and i bet you, it will all be the same. I bet you it will still lag, it will have almost the same issues as previous phones. yes there will be changes, but merely cosmetic!
Reality bites
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Why didn't you get a replacement by warranty? Didn't get that.
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Unfortunately, most of the stores in some countries are only third party/franchisee, so they don't offer the same wonderful customer service you may be accustomed to. They don't readily provide brand new unit replacements, heck, we usually even have to fight for parts replacement and settle at that (better than nothing, I guess).
From where I'm from, we're usually told, "we will have to have our technician take a look at it. Please come back after 5-7 business days." When we come back, they tell us that they were unable to elicit the problem, and if we want, they can have it sent to their main branch (in a different city) to take a look at it. Of course, they still end up telling you that there's nothing wrong with it and charge you anyway.
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Thank you for this post. I actually considered getting the Tab S2 when it comes out. Your post reminded me of my past experience with a Galaxy Tab 8.9 and an S3 (tablet had a defective motherboard and I could only get the parts replaced, no new unit) and my Galaxy S3 wouldn't connect to a WiFi network unless I literally stood right next to the router (this one I actually did manage to get a replacement unit, but the trouble I had to go through..ugh).
Anyway, I'm so sorry for the trouble you had to go through.
Sorry but just because you had an bad experience it doesn't mean that others should be scared off. I bought my tab 's 8.4 on sale and I use it at least 4-5 hours per day without any lag at all and with around 35% battery left every day. I think you could just have said that you had a bad experience instead of telling everybody in bolded text that they shouldn't get it.
Except I have WiFi version. So if this is a common problem on the late version then I have nothing to say.
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Sorry but just because you had an bad experience it doesn't mean that others should be scared off. I bought my tab 's 8.4 on sale and I use it at least 4-5 hours per day without any lag at all and with around 35% battery left every day. I think you could just have said that you had a bad experience instead of telling everybody in bolded text that they shouldn't get it.
Except I have WiFi version. So if this is a common problem on the late version then I have nothing to say.
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I agree - I have the 10.5 and yes it suffers from slight lag but theres ways around that (Nova/debloating etc).
My note 4 is the boss and not issues at all now i'm on 5.0.1. You can't really slat a manufacturer entirely if the country you reside in doesn't have the support required - you took that risk on.
As for the technical problems you are having, I guess taking apart a device that was under a month old kind of invalidates any warranty - if you didn't have one I suspect all you've done is cause problems for the engineers. Did you contact the sellers/retailer? Have you contacted samsung to see who they'd recommend/are there others that may be able to sort it out?
However if you cannot get Samsung repair service in your area, why didn't you consider a make that can be supported locally?
I imported a gear VR from the US to UK and if it went wrong I'd wholly expect Samsung not to honour the warranty....sometimes we take risks and it doesn't work out!
Well no doubt you had a nightmare experience and sorry that you didn't have my experience. For me I couldn't be happier and have zero regrets with my purchase. Other then the lag problem which was fixed by debloating and switching to nova launcher I really really really love my tab s and so glad I didn't get the iPad mini like I was planning.
Now I eagerly await the lollipop update.
Sucks that you can't get proper service. Sorry to hear that but a lot of us can get proper service so I don't think its right for you to tell people to stay away. If someone gets unlucky here where I am they can easily return it and get a new one. For me I was first disappointed by the battery life but have quickly realized maybe I was spoiled by the 10+ hours my ipad 3 got. I don't experience any lag and have mostly good things to say about the device. I do wish the battery would go a bit longer. My only complaint comes with the power button. After only a few weeks its not looking good. Its going to go at some point. It already looks like its pushed in.
I have a 10 as well, and I have had zero issues with it. I have read some other complaint threads, but I haven't had any issues at all with mine. Sucks to hear others have issues, but this is the finest tablet I have ever owned.
bonerp said:
I agree - I have the 10.5 and yes it suffers from slight lag but theres ways around that (Nova/debloating etc).
My note 4 is the boss and not issues at all now i'm on 5.0.1. You can't really slat a manufacturer entirely if the country you reside in doesn't have the support required - you took that risk on.
As for the technical problems you are having, I guess taking apart a device that was under a month old kind of invalidates any warranty - if you didn't have one I suspect all you've done is cause problems for the engineers. Did you contact the sellers/retailer? Have you contacted samsung to see who they'd recommend/are there others that may be able to sort it out?
However if you cannot get Samsung repair service in your area, why didn't you consider a make that can be supported locally?
I imported a gear VR from the US to UK and if it went wrong I'd wholly expect Samsung not to honour the warranty....sometimes we take risks and it doesn't work out!
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Sorry but just because you had an bad experience it doesn't mean that others should be scared off. I bought my tab 's 8.4 on sale and I use it at least 4-5 hours per day without any lag at all and with around 35% battery left every day. I think you could just have said that you had a bad experience instead of telling everybody in bolded text that they shouldn't get it.
Except I have WiFi version. So if this is a common problem on the late version then I have nothing to say.
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both of you are very right at your position. i might have also said the same things if i saw some thread like this and i had no trouble with my tablet.
but the thing is, samsung has Proper sales and service business here in my country. u would not even believe that some of the products are not even launched in some big countries but they are made available here. Note 4 was launched here 2 days before its international launch! same case with some other big tabs and smartphones.
removing the back cover does not void ANY kind of warranty. i snapped it back and no body could tell if i ever removed it. i dont have the tab with me, but when i will i will try to show you guys what the OFFICIAL samsung ENGINEERS did to it. i opened the back with a debit card and nails and they have proper equipment, i guess, but they ruined it for me. and how come they lose some part of the tab when i CLEARLY TOLD THEM & EVEN ROTE IT TO THEM NOT TO LOSE IT because its too small thing to lose.
any how, all of you guys who have no trouble with your tabs, great for you. i feel good for you. i would have called it my bad luck if it was my first experience with samsung device. i have had sasmsung devices for a very long time including even some of the house hold electronics. mobile division of samsung sucks balls in terms of QC.i remember having S2 having dead speaker after 2 months, S3 having strange glue marks on the AMOLED screen, S4 having heat up issues and now this.
@ Pills_e and i didn't write text in bold or what ever to seek attention. why didnt you write such a thread? because you didnt have a problem right? i just tried to warn people. i have said it already and would say it again, im a student. i dont have a full time job. its Very hard for me to spend US $40 or $60 after 10 days just like that on repairing a gadget that is not even available to me. it might be easy for you, but not for all.
i just advised based on my experience and its just sincere brotherly advise to all new comers. people will get what they like, no matter what. i just poured in my experience. thats it.
aami.aami said:
hi. i have had my eyes on this tab S 8.4 LTE since it was announced. i have been saving a lot so as to get this tablet.
the day i got all the money for this tablet saved, i went to the Samsung store and bought the device right. hell, i even paid extra for the Bronze color one.
i felt blessed and happy. after like half an hour of using the tablet, i found the stutter and lag to be all over the UI. it was not deal breaker but definitely was Heart breaker. for a premium one of a kind, Samsung Flagship tablet, i didnt expect that. i have owned Note 3 and both have EXACTLY the same hardware other than the screen.
but i got over that and accepted that as part of deal from samsung cause after all it had Touchwiz. i personally love touchwiz. i really do.
after like a week of usage, i started to feel like the battery on this tab is giving up on me. i tried every thing there was to try. i rooted it, removed the bloatware, installed greenify, swapped roms, minimized brightness and all i was advised by good folks here on this very good community of xda.
then i was told that many people here found the solution by re-sitting the battery connector on the mother board. and i tried that. i removed the back cover, with all the pain and cringing, and REALLY found the plug to be very loose. looked like some child had it just PLACED it on its place. it was not even all the way down. i did that, and boom, i got the battery back to normal, i un-noticed all the scars and scratches there were because of removing the back cover.
after like 4 or 5 days same **** started happening. battery would fail after like 3 hours of screen time and that also doing nothing just plain UI browsing, because my tab was in the period of showing it to friends and relatives. u know the usual stuff. people asking u to let them see your new tab. every body praised and loved the SUPER AMOLED!
after like some time, it literally gave up on me. it would not boot, it would power on. it would charge and that also very weirdly, when i plug it it sometimes said, 50% battery, then at the next second i remove the charger and re-connect it and it would show, 89% battery. the next second i would remove and re-connect the charger and it would say 4% battery.
i could not do anything. so i went to samsung OFFICIALL sales & repair centre and I LITERALLY MADE THAT STUPID ***** WRITE DOWN ON THE JOB SHEET TO NOT LOSE THE IR BLASTER COVER THINGY. they gave me 15 days of time for to repair it and asked for Rs 5000 which is equivalent to US $ 55 approx. i was like, ok if u fix it all well i can pay that. and FYI, the TABLET WAS IN FREAKING WARRANTY! IT WAS ONLY 20 DAYS OLD!
you get where im going? well i called them 15th day and they didnt pick my phone. i tried for next 2 days and they didnt pick any call. i went to their office and asked them what happened of the tablet. they said sorry we could not fix it and we were told this by our ENGINEERS the second day. i was like why didnt u tell me that before why make me wait 15 days and they said our phone was dead... MOTHER****ERS!
i asked them to return my tablet, they charged me Rs 1000 approx US $10 BEFORE returning me the tablet.
when they returned me the tablet, it had that IR blaster cover lost. i was so angry i cant explain. i could not do anything against them i went there 3 times and waited for like 30 min each time JUST TO SEE THE MANAGER AND HE NEVER MET... i wish they all die in deepest pits of hell for eternity. amin.
anyways, firstly i didnt trust the local small repair shops but i had no choice i gave the tab to one of shops and he repaird it for me in like 1 day. i was really happy. but he charged me Rs 3000 about US $30.
i started using the tab and it was fine. i got the normal 6-7 hours of screen on time. and btw, he didnt replace any thing including the batter.
since this saturday, the same **** started happening AGAIN. i went to the same shop and gave him the tablet to repair. just today he called me and told me the expense for this time repair would be Rs 5500 approx US $55.
NOW, this is my experience with samsung's greatest tablet ever. i have learnt my lesson the hard way i guess. Spending US $40 or $60 might not be a big deal for some of you Europeans or Americans out there but im from Pakistan. im a student. i dont get money very often to repair my ****. and that also a mere 28 days old BRAND NEW OUT OF THE ****ING BOX TABLET.
i know, i might get hate here as well, cause not many these days, understand others problems.
but i would advise you all new comers NOT TO GET THIS TABLET EVEN IF U ARE GETTING IT VIA SALE. i paid the full price and even more cause of import fees and taxes.
and btw, its not just me, there are many people who didnt get the battery life they were told they would get.
you have been warned.
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I'm so sorry for you. I hate that you've been through all of this stuff regarding samsung devices. I wonder if the tabs going to Pakistan are made in a different factory than United States ones? I hope you have better luck in the future.
Sent from my Galaxy Tab S 8.4 with much love to the xda community.
I have the 10.5 and am on a stock rom and have zero lag anywhere. Initially there was lag with the OS it was released with (I bought it release day) but subsequent updates removed all the lag I had. I love my Tab S and I get 11hrs watching videos on it on long flights and drives and the screen is amazing.
What you should have done was try to return the tablet for a replacement INSTEAD of opening the back. Opening the back voided your warranty and is not something I EVER do for ANY device I own that's within warranty period. Outside of the period I may take the chance but not a day before.
Sorry to hear this happened to you as I know how frustrating these kinds of things can be.
I'm Surprised!
I'm surprised that Samsung would even touch your Tab S 8.4! After you rooted it, changed the ROM and then opened the device up which a user is never supposed to do, I'm surprised your warranty is worth the paper it was written on.
You should have taken the Tab S back to whomever you bought it and got your money back.
Hmmmm... was just about to order a tab S 8.4 WiFi as well... Lol.
i have 10.5 LTE and the battery stand only 3.5 Hours after few month of purchase its stand around 6 hours before
i have already make root so i got KNOX flag 01
but i will pay 50$ if this will fix the problem but after i read your story im afraid to fix it and the problem come again .. i don't know what to do
I have a sneaky suspicion that all the "New reports" are fraud. Like ppl tampered with the notes to get a pay day. I feel Samsung is only stopping sells & production as a "just in case" it is real. I highly doubt Samsung made the same error twice in a row. I'm holding on to my note until an official statement comes out. I think Sammy just knows that for the life of the note7 these reports will keep popping up and they'll be losing millions in bogus report investigations and fake litigation ... What do you guys think?
I think it is highly possible
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I don't blame them for pulling the note series. It may not even come back. The note name is tarnished now. People won't be so trusting of it. They may release a 7 edge + lol. We shall see.
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Either way, You can forget about any future software upgrades and support from Samsung or the XDA community. It will also have ZERO resale value on the streets and through JUMP and the stigma of owning one will be the same as being a fool for not caring about your safety. People will look at you as a terrorist who carries a potential bomb in his pocket and you will not be able to board planes, cruise liners, etc... with it. The Note 7 was the best phone I ever had. However, it's only a phone. I moved on with my life. Yesterday I changed it for a Galaxy S7 Edge. I will have it until the S8 comes out in the future. IT's just not worth it; too many hassles for a phone that cost almost $900.
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I have a sneaky suspicion that all the "New reports" are fraud. Like ppl tampered with the notes to get a pay day. I feel Samsung is only stopping sells & production as a "just in case" it is real. I highly doubt Samsung made the same error twice in a row. I'm holding on to my note until an official statement comes out. I think Sammy just knows that for the life of the note7 these reports will keep popping up and they'll be losing millions in bogus report investigations and fake litigation ... What do you guys think?
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I'd think that for its reputation's sake, Samsung would be quick to point out that some of the phones had been tampered with.
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Either way, You can forget about any future software upgrades and support from Samsung or the XDA community. It will also have ZERO resale value on the streets and through JUMP and the stigma of owning one will be the same as being a fool for not caring about your safety. People will look at you as a terrorist who carries a potential bomb in his pocket and you will not be able to board planes, cruise liners, etc... with it. The Note 7 was the best phone I ever had. However, it's only a phone. I moved on with my life. Yesterday I changed it for a Galaxy S7 Edge. I will have it until the S8 comes out in the future. IT's just not worth it; too many hassles for a phone that cost almost $900.
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how would Jump be effected? I read the other post in here about it and contacted T-Mobile and until anything concrete comes out they said its nothing more than what it always has been Jump from one phone to the other. Did you personally hear something otherwise
I was told that you will always be entitled to a full refund on the device, therefore, its market value is irrelevant. Keep it until you want another device and then get your refund.
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Either way, You can forget about any future software upgrades and support from Samsung or the XDA community. It will also have ZERO resale value on the streets and through JUMP and the stigma of owning one will be the same as being a fool for not caring about your safety. People will look at you as a terrorist who carries a potential bomb in his pocket and you will not be able to board planes, cruise liners, etc... with it. The Note 7 was the best phone I ever had. However, it's only a phone. I moved on with my life. Yesterday I changed it for a Galaxy S7 Edge. I will have it until the S8 comes out in the future. IT's just not worth it; too many hassles for a phone that cost almost $900.
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I don't care what people think. I can throw a case on the phone and a skin no one would know it was a note. And honestly if this phone didn't get updated for a year when whatever replaces it comes out it will bee ahead of everything out... Android 7.0 didn't really bring anything Samsung doesn't already have so I'm not missing a game changer. But I will miss my SPen! And jump won't be effected, and I have jump on demand so maybe something will catch my eye. And these days (Samsung pay, s health, private folder, iris scanner) I don't root anymore because I'd lose to may features. Idk I just don't want to lose something great because of liars.
And technically it hasn't been recalled. These are just preliminary steps what are the chances, after the investigation it is deemed a recall isn't necessary , I wonder
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And technically it hasn't been recalled. These are just preliminary steps what are the chances, after the investigation it is deemed a recall isn't necessary , I wonder
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Even if they do come back in a month and say "false alarm, everything is fine guys" it's always going to be planted in the back of my mind as a what-if. Meaning that I'll always be wondering if my phone might develop that flaw that causes it to fail and tarnishing my experience with the phone. It's a great phone and it'll be hard to replace, but I just can't enjoy using it now. Probably a silly thing to think, but there it is.
Stopped at the local T-Mo store to check out the S7E... First it doesn't come in black or at least T-Mobile doesn't stock the black version - I'm not a fan of shiny phones. While the size wasn't much of a difference, It's still a difference I'll notice.
I'll be keeping my Note 7 until they pry it from my cold crispy charred fingers!
As oneplus 3T is a controversial launch for all op3 owners and its dev community, this question came in my mind. We all know how oneplus is treating op2 after release of op3, I am just worried they are gonna do the same with Op3 by discontinuing it. And will the same happen with op3T also when again after few months they will come with another new flagship Op4...
As for now, they have proven to be mistrusted, so I'd say they'll discontinue just like they did before.
I don't think they'll be on a 6 month release schedule.
Finally, OnePlus told us this is not indicative of a new line-up and that users should not infer that there will be two separate SKUs (one being superior) in 2017 and beyond — they claim that the OnePlus 3T is a situational phenomenon . . .
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I expect they'll release the OP4 around this time next year or a bit earlier. This device mainly seems to be a challenge to the Pixel (and it serves to better position their releases for Christmas sales?)
Sell the 3T for $350 and get the 4, $100 every 6 months or $200 per year for a flagship product is one hell of a deal...
Hopefully there won't be an OP 4T, there will just be an OP 4 this time next year.
Best guess. There'll be a OP4 in six months and another OP device six months after that. This is what a smaller company does. This is what Chinese mobile phone companies do - they release new versions all the time and are continually releasing new devices with the latest hardware.
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Best guess. There'll be a OP4 in six months and another OP device six months after that. This is what a smaller company does. This is what Chinese mobile phone companies do - they release new versions all the time and are continually releasing new devices with the latest hardware.
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I think its great that they are constantly updating and keeping the devices current...dont have to Wait so long in between devices.
I dont get why everyone is complaining about new hardware dropping? Its some thing to get excited about not upset!
I wish sammy and google would folllow suit honestly...a couple notes per year would be amazing. (As long as they dont spontaneously combust lol)
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I dont get why everyone is complaining about new hardware dropping? Its some thing to get excited about not upset!
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I think they see it as loosing their bragging rights, since they no longer have "the best" that company makes. It's irrational and somewhat childish, technology does move forward and the phone they bought didn't get any worst because of this (in fact it's still one of the very best around).
To finish my rambling:
1) Buy what you need, not what consumerism and marketing departments tells you to.
2) Once you do buy something, take the most out of it while it still works. I believe that is why we are all here at XDA, is it not?
thats the cell game bro.....look at samsung..
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I think they see it as loosing their bragging rights, since they no longer have "the best" that company makes. It's irrational and somewhat childish, technology does move forward and the phone they bought didn't get any worst because of this (in fact it's still one of the very best around).
To finish my rambling:
1) Buy what you need, not what consumerism and marketing departments tells you to.
2) Once you do buy something, take the most out of it while it still works. I believe that is why we are all here at XDA, is it not?
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It's not just that, it's lying to the customers, standard phones have a year cycle. it also makes the development friendly phone less friendly as already many devs have said they wont support the 3T
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As for now, they have proven to be mistrusted, so I'd say they'll discontinue just like they did before.
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This is silly. I still have an awesome phone, better software, greater development than virtually any phone, and have gotten great customer service from OnePlus. Every time I have had to deal with Customer Service/ Tech Support, they have been very helpful and answered all my questions, plus have been extremely efficient when handling various situations and when I had to RMA my device they emailedme almost daily to keep me abreast of what was happening with my device. They have already provided several updates and Nougat is in beta testing, but if you don't want to wait, there are plenty of third party Nougat roms already available. The reason they are available, they released all sources and posted stock roms. So I am not sure why you are so butt hurt and say they are proven to be mistrusted just because they released a new device?
Do you guys think it's better to wait for 1+4 or go with 1+3t?
I can resist... but i don't know if my Nexus5 can do it too.
I've read some of the rumors (2k, 4000mah), but i don't know if they can be trusted.
Sorry if i've made any mistakes, but i'm new :>
IMHO, wait if you can. If any of the rumoured specs are right, this should be a really good device! If you can't wait, check out the 3 on eBay. Now that the 3T is out, 3's are showing up for discounts. Seen them as cheap as $310.
Thanks.
I guess I'll wait...
The downside is that there is no specific date nor price around :/
You know, waiting and then it turns out that 1+4 costs 550/600€ would probably kill me...
Like Xiaomi did with Mi Note 2.
Thanks for the advice!
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Thanks.
I guess I'll wait...
The downside is that there is no specific date nor price around :/
You know, waiting and then it turns out that 1+4 costs 550/600€ would probably kill me...
Like Xiaomi did with Mi Note 2.
Thanks for the advice!
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Don't wait.. If you really wanna buy a new phone, do it now. New devices will always come and manufactures themselves will always make them outdated in few months. So don't wait, buy Op3/Op3t whichever is available in your country and enjoy.
That's how it works.
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Yea, i get your point.
But i prefer waiting (if my N5 allows me to ) and get a phone with a 2k screen.
1+3t will be available in one week from today... I'm gonna start to count six months from that day asd.
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It's not just that, it's lying to the customers, standard phones have a year cycle. it also makes the development friendly phone less friendly as already many devs have said they wont support the 3T
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In what way they lied? Did they say that they won't release new phone before next year or what? Why they have to keep 1 year cycle? Because you want them to? What does it change for OP3 user? Their phone specs will get lower somehow? You are getting what you paid for but you expect to be the best for one whole year? Everyone will wait?
I am very happy that they improve, because why not? And it is actually not that they released new phone, they had to produce them more and it was probably just easier to put 821 and battery is just using different voltage.
A lot of butt-hurt here...
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It's not just that, it's lying to the customers, standard phones have a year cycle. it also makes the development friendly phone less friendly as already many devs have said they wont support the 3T
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I get what you are saying, but that's just how customer point of view, not necessary what explicitly stated by the manufacturer. But, even if what you said is true about standard phones then exactly what exactly is standard? I mean Samsung have tons of phone out each year, and you could also say both the Galaxy S and Note series are just half a year apart, yes they are not exactly the same series of phone, but in many PoV, they are close enough. As far as the manufacturer PoV is concern, OP is considered relatively small company, making two similar phones simultaneously would cost more for them, and thus it make economic sense. But seriously, why would it bother you or anyone? I mean, it is stupid to think that they can't get better android phone half a year from now. Seriously, every month, there is at least a new android phone and most customers would look at the phone that suit them best, or whatever that have the latest and greatest features.
You mention the Samsung phones and yes they are similar but it isn't the exact same model.
Also the note and S series are aimed at different people. I wouldn't want a mobile any bigger than 5.5 and before the op3 I wasn't even sure i wanted to more up to 5.5
If they told customers they were releasing a 3T more people would have waited .
Also I can tell support for the OP3 is going to slowly fade away and be in the same position as the OP2
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Yea, i get your point.
But i prefer waiting (if my N5 allows me to ) and get a phone with a 2k screen.
1+3t will be available in one week from today... I'm gonna start to count six months from that day asd.
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2K screen, or you mean UHD screen? I have a note 4 right now, and even Notebook w/ UHD, but seriously even after a year and looking at the current situation, i think it's a bit overrated. There still isn't a lot of app or software that take full advantage of that high res. Yes, the screen look nice but only to a certain point. In most cases, it won't be distinguishable from 1080p screen. What suck about it is that your graphic gaming performance will suffer because it's now 4 times the pixels it have to render, and also battery life. Hence I'm leaving the Note 4 to the OP3T.
I recently bought a used Note 8, the previous owner sold it as "failed motherboard, for parts". Its a N9500 Hong Kong version with Snapdragon chipset with this CSC: N9500ZHS4CRK1_N9500ZZH4CRK1_TGY
The phone turns on but boot-loops. Sometimes it gets into Android and when it does all SYSTEM apps "keep closing" such as Play Store, Google, Camera, Settings, everything, I can't even remember all their names. All apps keep closing. After massive app closure, the phone enters boot-loop again.
So obviously, I entered recovery mode, wiped cache, wiped factory data, there are no accounts on this phone and it is NOT FRP locked. After wiped, the phone behaves exactly the same and it took a lot of bootloops to get through the welcome configuration screen, next next bootloop, next next skip next bootloop and so on.
I then opened up the phone (which was never opened before) because I suspected a faulty battery, I wasted more money on purchasing a new battery, I replaced the battery but it behaves exactly the same.
I then reflashed the same N9500ZHS4CRK1_N9500ZZH4CRK1_TGY soft in ODIN which was downloaded from sammobile.com and guess what, it behaves the same.
I reflashed a newer version N9500ZHS4CRL1_N9500ZZH4CRL1_TGY in ODIN but again it behaves the same.
Now in recovery mode I just recently noticed this:
#fail top open recovery_cause(No such file or directory)#
#Reboot Recovery_Cause is [UNKNOWN]#
No Support SINGLE-SKU
File-Based OTA
Support API: 3
dm-verity verification failed...
After researching what this error means I discovered that it may have something to do with phone rooting!? Now since this phone wasn't mine I have no idea what the previous owner did to it so I entered download mode again to see the status of KNOX and guess what, it says:
RPMB fuse blown
RPMB PROVISIONED
CURRENT BINARY: Samsung Official
SYSTEM STATUS: Official
FRP LOCK: OFF
CROM SERVICE: ON
WARRANTY VOID: 0x0
QUALCOMM SECUREboot: ENABLE
RP SWREV: B4(2,1,1,1,1) K1 S1
SECURE DOWNLOAD: ENABLE
DID: 205EE0EE92FD
So WARRANTY VOID: 0x0 as far as I know means that everything is official? I don't know if you can actually root the phone without triggering Knox which should then read 0x1
I also find this RPMB fuse blown suspicious which I have no idea what it means.
So can anyone help me??? Is my problem just software? What can I do??? Or is the motherboard simply dead and gone and requires replacement? Motherboards for Note 8 are extremely expensive so I hope the motherboard isn't dead.......
All the best
As far as i understand, ur problem should be software only.... Try flashing twrp in download mode and then root and then custom ROM....all this if the phone is out of warranty. And i hope oem unlock is toggled.... Knox 0x0 means not rooted previously.....try it out and share what happened
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As far as i understand, ur problem should be software only.... Try flashing twrp in download mode and then root and then custom ROM....all this if the phone is out of warranty. And i hope oem unlock is toggled.... Knox 0x0 means not rooted previously.....try it out and share what happened
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Is there no other way? I would prefer not to root my phone and install custom ROM, I would prefer to have an official ROM... also if it has everything stock, official, why is it doing this? Why is it bootlooping? Anyway if there is no other way then please provide me with a perfectly functional custom ROM which I should install. I need to mention that my phone is DUOS (DUAL SIM) if that matters. The phone doesn't have any warranty, like I said I bought it used, second hand. Additionally its from Hong Kong while Im from Europe and the previous owner told me that Samsung told him that they won't fix his phone because its from another region... BS if you ask me but whatever! Additionally to make things worse, like I said I disassembled it to replace its battery so definitely no warranty here.
I will return and keep you updated, no worries. Thank you very much for your help!
Best way to find out is to flash the firmware specific to ur device.... Try the pie firmware.... And make sure its specific to ur device.... Maybe try a diff csc.... Also flash bootloader separately and then try to boot...i had the same problem once with an older device... That helped... Make sure u know what u e doing before going for anything.... But since that device is already dead...u can try...no harm... Keep it charged...
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Best way to find out is to flash the firmware specific to ur device.... Try the pie firmware.... And make sure its specific to ur device.... Maybe try a diff csc.... Also flash bootloader separately and then try to boot...i had the same problem once with an older device... That helped... Make sure u know what u e doing before going for anything.... But since that device is already dead...u can try...no harm... Keep it charged...
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This is the exact model I have: https://www.sammobile.com/firmwares/galaxy-note8/SM-N9500/TGY/
Please give me a link to what I should install. Different CSC, bootloader, anything you think I should install. I don't wanna make a mistake and brick it even more than this... Thanks
RPMB fuse blown is normal. That's how they all come from factory.
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RPMB fuse blown is normal. That's how they all come from factory.
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Ohh I see and thank you for clearing that thing up for me, but...... what's the solution though? Did you read my post? Do you have a guide or an advice for me? Please?? Pretty please??? I don't wanna spend more money on a motherboard and I really wanna keep this phone as my own, its so beautiful!
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Ohh I see and thank you for clearing that thing up for me, but...... what's the solution though? Did you read my post? Do you have a guide or an advice for me? Please?? Pretty please??? I don't wanna spend more money on a motherboard and I really wanna keep this phone as my own, its so beautiful!
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I have read your post and have no solution. My guess is your flash memory is bad, and you can't fix that.
Your best bet is to probably buy a working Note 9 with a broken screen for cheap. Swap motherboards. The back glass should have the IMEI on it, so keep the right back glass with the right motherboard.
Put both phones back together. Keep the working one, and sell the other one for parts.
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I have read your post and have no solution. My guess is your flash memory is bad, and you can't fix that.
Your best bet is to probably buy a working Note 9 with a broken screen for cheap. Swap motherboards. The back glass should have the IMEI on it, so keep the right back glass with the right motherboard.
Put both phones back together. Keep the working one, and sell the other one for parts.
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Jesus Christ Samsung is becoming the worst brand in the world. First exploding Note 7 then Note 8 with flash memory fails. I think I this is my last Samsung EVER. My next phone will definitely be Nokia 9. I didn't had the chance to test Nokia out since they relaunched with Android and they seem like really well built phones.
Anyway until then, soyuz4u seems to have a solution for me so I will like to try out what he is proposing before giving up.
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Jesus Christ Samsung is becoming the worst brand in the world. First exploding Note 7 then Note 8 with flash memory fails. I think I this is my last Samsung EVER. My next phone will definitely be Nokia 9. I didn't had the chance to test Nokia out since they relaunched with Android and they seem like really well built phones.
Anyway until then, soyuz4u seems to have a solution for me so I will like to try out what he is proposing before giving up.
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EVERY company has some faulty devices. It's electronics. They fail. My guess is the failure rate of the flash memory (if that's what it actually is), is minute. Just because YOUR decide failed doesn't mean Samsung as a whole is a bad company or make bad devices. You bought a device that you knew was out of warranty and had previous problems without knowing the history of it. To be blunt, that's your fault, not Samsung's.
Honestly, they handled the Note 7 issue as well as could be expected. They did everything they could to fix it and then finally issue refunds and incentives to owners.
But I'm sure Nokia has NEVER had a warranty claim on any device they've sold ever, so it may be a good switch for you.
Exactly. Plus OP bought a device being sold as "for parts" only, so it doesn't make sense to complain about Samsung as a whole
Guys guys this is going off the rails and totally off-topic! Anyone is entitled to their opinions, its freedom of speech, I perfectly understand this and respect your opinions just as you guys love Samsung, I have a few words of criticism for it but now please no more off-topic messages.
As a response to what you guys are saying,
1 - Why don't you come with an actual solution to the problem instead of talking about how great Samsung is? Why do you have to reply to my bottom message where I criticized Samsung but not to the first message where I ask for a solution?
and 2 - Does any of you own shares at Samsung? I've never been a brand fanboy, why would I defend a multi-trillion foreign corporation?? What would I have to gain out of it? Im not Korean, it doesn't benefit my economy, if anything it harms my economy, as they suck billions of euros out of my country. yearly You guys are too forgiving and forgetting about the people who actually got injured by Note 7. You forgot about the infamous Note 4 and Note Edge "mmc_read fail" mass failures which also happened with S6 and S6 Edge. Millions of customers got scammed by Samsung back then. Samsung even got fined 5 million Euros in Italy because of Note 4 mass fails. There are even class action law-suits regarding Note 4.
It doesn't matter I got this Note 8 used, as is. What about the previous owner? Does it make it ok to fail in his hands? Why fail in the first place? Why would a top 1000 Euro phone become "for parts" in the first place in only a year after production?? What if I bought it new and failed in my hands?? The logic you are applying here makes no sense. I can understand this for a 100-150 Euro phone but not 1000 Euro! 1000 Euros are a lot of money, with 1000 Euros you can buy a decent car, a Renault Megane 2006-2007 for example which will last you many many years so spending 1000 Euros on a phone to fail after just 1 year is ok? Anyway please please no more off-topic. All I said is that I don't think I like Samsung anymore and you fanboys came at me like lions defending Samsung which is a thing I can't stand. I don't hate Samsung, if I did, I wouldn't have bought this Note 8 but Im not a fanboy and I will never be a fanboy for any corporation in this world, unless I just work for them and its my job.
Now please lets get back on topic, does anyone know how to fix this phone?
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Guys guys this is going off the rails and totally off-topic! Anyone is entitled to their opinions, its freedom of speech, I perfectly understand this and respect your opinions just as you guys love Samsung, I have a few words of criticism for it but now please no more off-topic messages.
As a response to what you guys are saying,
1 - Why don't you come with an actual solution to the problem instead of talking about how great Samsung is? Why do you have to reply to my bottom message where I criticized Samsung but not to the first message where I ask for a solution?
and 2 - Does any of you own shares at Samsung? I've never been a brand fanboy, why would I defend a multi-trillion foreign corporation?? What would I have to gain out of it? Im not Korean, it doesn't benefit my economy, if anything it harms my economy, as they suck billions of euros out of my country. yearly You guys are too forgiving and forgetting about the people who actually got injured by Note 7. You forgot about the infamous Note 4 and Note Edge "mmc_read fail" mass failures which also happened with S6 and S6 Edge. Millions of customers got scammed by Samsung back then. Samsung even got fined 5 million Euros in Italy because of Note 4 mass fails. There are even class action law-suits regarding Note 4.
It doesn't matter I got this Note 8 used, as is. What about the previous owner? Does it make it ok to fail in his hands? Why fail in the first place? Why would a top 1000 Euro phone become "for parts" in the first place in only a year after production?? What if I bought it new and failed in my hands?? The logic you are applying here makes no sense. I can understand this for a 100-150 Euro phone but not 1000 Euro! 1000 Euros are a lot of money, with 1000 Euros you can buy a decent car, a Renault Megane 2006-2007 for example which will last you many many years so spending 1000 Euros on a phone to fail after just 1 year is ok? Anyway please please no more off-topic. All I said is that I don't think I like Samsung anymore and you fanboys came at me like lions defending Samsung which is a thing I can't stand. I don't hate Samsung, if I did, I wouldn't have bought this Note 8 but Im not a fanboy and I will never be a fanboy for any corporation in this world, unless I just work for them and its my job.
Now please lets get back on topic, does anyone know how to fix this phone?
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Wow. Ok, for one YOU started the off-topic conversation. Two, I'm not a brand fanboy or a share holder, nor was I defending Samaung. I have owned just about every single brand of smartphone made. I was explaining you were the one who bought a "for parts only" device then complained that it doesn't work and is out of warranty. Those are the risks you took buying it. For all you know, it wasn't a manufacturer defect, but physical damage from the previous owner. Third, I did offer a solution. Buy a working Note 8 with a broken screen and swap motherboards, then sell the other one for parts. I've done it many times on other phones.
Good luck!
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Wow. Ok, for one YOU started the off-topic conversation. Two, I'm not a brand fanboy or a share holder, nor was I defending Samaung. I have owned just about every single brand of smartphone made. I was explaining you were the one who bought a "for parts only" device then complained that it doesn't work and is out of warranty. Those are the risks you took buying it. For all you know, it wasn't a manufacturer defect, but physical damage from the previous owner. Third, I did offer a solution. Buy a working Note 8 with a broken screen and swap motherboards, then sell the other one for parts. I've done it many times on other phones.
Good luck!
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I didn't start anything, all I said is that I do not like Samsung anymore and its my business what I like and don't like and I don't want anyone to convince me otherwise. I can't believe a 1000 Euro phone fails irreparably! Of course I didn't pay 1000 but the guy who I got it from did and the principle itself is what pisses me off. What if I would have been in his shoes bought it new paid 1000 then total fail and unable to fix it just after 1 year!? If this was 1 in 1 million cases, ohh ok, tough luck what can I say? But this is actually extremely common with Samsung nowadays. It all started with Note 4. Note 4 was the first major Samsung disaster. Note 3 was a jewel of Samsung, the best Note ever produced. I not once seen a Note 3 with failed board even to this day after years of use, anyway avoiding more off-topic talk, I am aware about replacing the motherboard, I even mentioned it in my first post, even the title of the thread is "hardware or software" fault. This is from the bottom of my first post "So can anyone help me??? Is my problem just software? What can I do??? Or is the motherboard simply dead and gone and requires replacement? Motherboards for Note 8 are extremely expensive so I hope the motherboard isn't dead......."
Also the phone does not have any kind of physical damage whatsoever, it doesn't even have water damage, like I said in my first post, I disassembled the phone to replace its battery and it was sealed, never opened before, clean and no nicks and dents on its frame. Its like brand new.
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I didn't start anything, all I said is that I do not like Samsung anymore and its my business what I like and don't like and I don't want anyone to convince me otherwise. I can't believe a 1000 Euro phone fails irreparably! Of course I didn't pay 1000 but the guy who I got it from did and the principle itself is what pisses me off. What if I would have been in his shoes bought it new paid 1000 then total fail and unable to fix it just after 1 year!? If this was 1 in 1 million cases, ohh ok, tough luck what can I say? But this is actually extremely common with Samsung nowadays. It all started with Note 4. Note 4 was the first major Samsung disaster. Note 3 was a jewel of Samsung, the best Note ever produced. I not once seen a Note 3 with failed board even to this day after years of use, anyway avoiding more off-topic talk, I am aware about replacing the motherboard, I even mentioned it in my first post, even the title of the thread is "hardware or software" fault. This is from the bottom of my first post "So can anyone help me??? Is my problem just software? What can I do??? Or is the motherboard simply dead and gone and requires replacement? Motherboards for Note 8 are extremely expensive so I hope the motherboard isn't dead......."
Also the phone does not have any kind of physical damage whatsoever, it doesn't even have water damage, like I said in my first post, I disassembled the phone to replace its battery and it was sealed, never opened before, clean and no nicks and dents on its frame. Its like brand new.
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Let me explain this:
You started a thread asking if your issue was hardware or software. You got some ideas and suggestions from people, including me. That's all ON TOPIC.
Then YOU went off on a tangent about how crappy Samsung was, brought up the Note 7, and talked about getting a Nokia because they look high quality. That's all OFF TOPIC.
You started the off topic conversation, so I replied to it. You don't get to go off topic, give your opinion, then get mad at others for going off topic WITH YOU and say you don't want people to try to change your mind.
Again, you bought a broken phone. We told you what could possibly be wrong with it. Your opinions of Samsung's quality control had nothing to do with it. You're the one who steered the thread off course, not me.
By the way, your last comment was all entirely off topic. This thread isn't about the Note 4 or Note 3 or the cost of the Note 8. Please try to stay on topic from now on. Thank you.
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Let me explain this:
You started a thread asking if your issue was hardware or software. You got some ideas and suggestions from people, including me. That's all ON TOPIC.
Then YOU went off on a tangent about how crappy Samsung was, brought up the Note 7, and talked about getting a Nokia because they look high quality. That's all OFF TOPIC.
You started the off topic conversation, so I replied to it. You don't get to go off topic, give your opinion, then get mad at others for going off topic WITH YOU and say you don't want people to try to change your mind.
Again, you bought a broken phone. We told you what could possibly be wrong with it. Your opinions of Samsung's quality control had nothing to do with it. You're the one who steered the thread off course, not me.
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Not worth arguing with some people bro because sometimes no matter what you say, it just doesn't register and they can't accept any other outcome or information except for what they've already settled on in their head..
Now, can I get some help with this phone that was sold for parts only? I swear it must be just a software problem, now you just give me the freaking answer that'll fix this parts only thing!!! J/K hahaha..
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Not worth arguing with some people bro because sometimes no matter what you say, it just doesn't register and they can't accept any other outcome or information except for what they've already settled on in their head..
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LOL. I could not agree more. Good luck with your Note 8.
Mr. Orange 645 said:
Let me explain this:
You started a thread asking if your issue was hardware or software. You got some ideas and suggestions from people, including me. That's all ON TOPIC.
Then YOU went off on a tangent about how crappy Samsung was, brought up the Note 7, and talked about getting a Nokia because they look high quality. That's all OFF TOPIC.
You started the off topic conversation, so I replied to it. You don't get to go off topic, give your opinion, then get mad at others for going off topic WITH YOU and say you don't want people to try to change your mind.
Again, you bought a broken phone. We told you what could possibly be wrong with it. Your opinions of Samsung's quality control had nothing to do with it. You're the one who steered the thread off course, not me.
By the way, your last comment was all entirely off topic. This thread isn't about the Note 4 or Note 3 or the cost of the Note 8. Please try to stay on topic from now on. Thank you.
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Ok its my fault for daring to criticize Samsung! You're acting as if I have something against the seller, no, wrong! VERY WRONG! I know the seller, he's a friend of mine, not a close friend but still a friend. He was awesome and I feel bad for him and what happened to his former phone.
Now let's get back on topic and please kindly ALL of you who have no clue how to deal with this error, LEAVE THE THREAD and stop spamming it with your useless posts! You clearly have no idea how to fix this yet you waste time in this thread... You said you offered help? What help? You clearly have no idea, I already said in my first post that I know how to swap boards but I would prefer to fix this board if possible.
I'm not gonna reply to any more Samsung fanboys regardless of what you have to say. You have an actual software solution to this board? Please kindly share it, otherwise, just go and don't come back. The only one who came up with actual solutions was soyuz4u. Everyone else just time wasters!
Have a nice day.
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Ok its my fault for daring to criticize Samsung! You're acting as if I have something against the seller, no, wrong! VERY WRONG! I know the seller, he's a friend of mine, not a close friend but still a friend. He was awesome and I feel bad for him and what happened to his former phone.
Now let's get back on topic and please kindly ALL of you who have no clue how to deal with this error, LEAVE THE THREAD and stop spamming it with your useless posts! You clearly have no idea how to fix this yet you waste time in this thread... You said you offered help? What help? You clearly have no idea, I already said in my first post that I know how to swap boards but I would prefer to fix this board if possible.
I'm not gonna reply to any more Samsung fanboys regardless of what you have to say. You have an actual software solution to this board? Please kindly share it, otherwise, just go and don't come back. The only one who came up with actual solutions was soyuz4u. Everyone else just time wasters!
Have a nice day.
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I don't care that you criticized Samsung. I truly don't. I'm not a fan boy. As soon as someone makes a better phone than the Note 9, I'm on it, no matter the brand.
I'm not blaming you for criticizing Samsung. I'm blaming you for going off topic and then getting triggered when someone replied to YOUR comment. I didn't go off topic. You're the OP, so you set the topic. You took the thread in a new direction, so I followed along, because I thought I was having a conversation with another adult.
And no one is blaming the seller. I actually never said anything about him. I was actually blaming you. You bought a broken phone, for parts, out of warranty. You don't like any of our answers or solutions, and you just want to blame Samsung for you buying a broken phone that you don't know the history of.
Instead of getting mad and offended by everything, take some responsibility.
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Guys guys this is going off the rails and totally off-topic! Anyone is entitled to their opinions, its freedom of speech, I perfectly understand this and respect your opinions just as you guys love Samsung, I have a few words of criticism for it but now please no more off-topic messages.
As a response to what you guys are saying,
1 - Why don't you come with an actual solution to the problem instead of talking about how great Samsung is? Why do you have to reply to my bottom message where I criticized Samsung but not to the first message where I ask for a solution?
and 2 - Does any of you own shares at Samsung? I've never been a brand fanboy, why would I defend a multi-trillion foreign corporation?? What would I have to gain out of it? Im not Korean, it doesn't benefit my economy, if anything it harms my economy, as they suck billions of euros out of my country. yearly You guys are too forgiving and forgetting about the people who actually got injured by Note 7. You forgot about the infamous Note 4 and Note Edge "mmc_read fail" mass failures which also happened with S6 and S6 Edge. Millions of customers got scammed by Samsung back then. Samsung even got fined 5 million Euros in Italy because of Note 4 mass fails. There are even class action law-suits regarding Note 4.
It doesn't matter I got this Note 8 used, as is. What about the previous owner? Does it make it ok to fail in his hands? Why fail in the first place? Why would a top 1000 Euro phone become "for parts" in the first place in only a year after production?? What if I bought it new and failed in my hands?? The logic you are applying here makes no sense. I can understand this for a 100-150 Euro phone but not 1000 Euro! 1000 Euros are a lot of money, with 1000 Euros you can buy a decent car, a Renault Megane 2006-2007 for example which will last you many many years so spending 1000 Euros on a phone to fail after just 1 year is ok? Anyway please please no more off-topic. All I said is that I don't think I like Samsung anymore and you fanboys came at me like lions defending Samsung which is a thing I can't stand. I don't hate Samsung, if I did, I wouldn't have bought this Note 8 but Im not a fanboy and I will never be a fanboy for any corporation in this world, unless I just work for them and its my job.
Now please lets get back on topic, does anyone know how to fix this phone?
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You are the one gone off-topic. You lost focus on your own issue. And the way you DEMAND for a solution makes you look like a 5 year old child. Behave man. Be a little, just a little more coherent. If you are further past "fanboys" then don't say a word to/about them. If you are so clever, you'd be owning a multi-millionaire company in stead of buying a faulty device.
On the other hand, you should be thankful that at least someone gave you solutions to try out considering your manners.
I've owned multiple Samsung's over the past years, and Apple's devices too, between other brands. Actually I'm rocking a Note 8 since 3 months past launch day, coming from an iPhone X 256gb first hand bought in Spain that 2 months after using it the touchpad stopped working (yes, a $1200 EUR touch device stopped recognizing touches, can happen), never insulted anyone because of that, just my freaking luck. Got it repaired for free btw, but still wanted to own a Note 8.
I upgraded to Pie 2 days ago, I live in Argentina, dunno why it took this long, but nonetheless its an awesome device, never failed me nor stopped surprising me (I found early this morning the 60fps 4k UHD workarround with the awesome "lgcamera" app), and technical service is great here.
I hope you can chill, and be responsible for your own mistakes, without mistreating people who tries to help you. This is a very nice place to spend time learning and asking, let's keep it like this. I also wish you good luck on your quest to make that faulty Note 8 work again, so you can enjoy this great device's features, and if not, I hope you get yourself one that suits you.
Hi , I was wondering why you choose to keep your bootloaders locked . It really seems like LG doesn't really care about its mobile line . Asus recently sent bootloader unlock and kernel source to developers at XDAdevelopers.com because they know phones that can be rooted and use custom software have HUGE cult followings. And LG ??? You just dont care ? The v350ULM was a great phone . Probably the most underrated device in modern history because you give absolutely no support to developers. At XDAdevelopers that device didnt even have a forum because there was so little support . Now jerryrigeverything on youtube who was breaking down one of your devices finds permanent adhesive under the battery ? Whys that ? So when the battery dies you're forced to buy a new phone ? .
i MEAN HONESTLY YOUR DEVICES ARE SO UNDERRATED . They with proper development have the potential to rival samsung or any other . But it seems like you just dont care about your mobile line . I right now want to buy the v350ULM but why ? I hear it has pretty abysmal battery life . which is probably just a stock app but since this device cant be rooted no one really has the interest in finding out because stock apps cant be removed without root level permission . You want to run the industry ? Why not doing something NO COMPANY IS DOING in2019 and advocate for your customers.
Dream phone . USER REPLACEABLE BATTERY ( most of us are not scuba divers and phones lasted pretty long before sealed ip68 phones. I had my galaxy note 4 since 2012 and just broke it when i dropped it and the screen cracked ) 3.5mm headphone jack ( which you are on top of your audio game ill give you that , which is primarily why I want an LG device.) 5000mAh battery MicroSD support And most important MAKE THE BOOTLOADER UNLOCKABLE AND DISTRIBUTE THE KERNEL SOURCE Make that phone and youd run the industry . Serious . not saying give up the rest of your line . But , youd have a phone with everything everyone wants and no one else is making . You'd have a cult following the likes of the rocky horror picture show in the 80s . I just dont get it . Manufactures seem to in 2019 give the finger to their customers and pretty much say " YOU SHUT YOUR MOUTH , YOULL BUY WHAT WE WANT TO MAKE YOU AND YOULL PAY 1000.00 USD FOR IT !!! " Id pay a grand happily for a device I could replace the parts that degrade rapidly . like the battery .. But if not , if you really dont care about us your customers. , why not atleast allow the bootloader to be unlocked and distribute the kernel source ?
The v35 could have been a very cool device . All LG mobile devices could have been so epic . But theyre just ok because of the lack of development support and practical longevity support . Im never going to use a phone as a professional photography device on the surface of earth nor underwater . Most people would agree. How bout making the device practical for everyday life , user improvement via development and not build in 2-3 year obsolescence. I have a junk iphone 6 , I want a new phone really bad . But cant justify patronizing companies that openly subjugate me by built in obsolescence . WE WANT TO BUY YOUR PRODUCTS , help me help you .
I wonder if there will be any response . I wonder if there is what it will be . I wonder why most modern phone manufacturers shun customer feedback and replace device requests with gimmic crap like making a claw with your hand in front of the device and rotating in an awkward manner to adjust the volume .
Thats gimmick CRAP
user replaceable battery and bootloader unlock and kernel source with what you already present and youll have a customer loyalty base the likes of which hasnt been seen since 2012.
Some_dude36 said:
Hi , I was wondering why you choose to keep your bootloaders locked . It really seems like LG doesn't really care about its mobile line . Asus recently sent bootloader unlock and kernel source to developers at XDAdevelopers.com because they know phones that can be rooted and use custom software have HUGE cult followings. And LG ??? You just dont care ? The v350ULM was a great phone . Probably the most underrated device in modern history because you give absolutely no support to developers. At XDAdevelopers that device didnt even have a forum because there was so little support . Now jerryrigeverything on youtube who was breaking down one of your devices finds permanent adhesive under the battery ? Whys that ? So when the battery dies you're forced to buy a new phone ? .
i MEAN HONESTLY YOUR DEVICES ARE SO UNDERRATED . They with proper development have the potential to rival samsung or any other . But it seems like you just dont care about your mobile line . I right now want to buy the v350ULM but why ? I hear it has pretty abysmal battery life . which is probably just a stock app but since this device cant be rooted no one really has the interest in finding out because stock apps cant be removed without root level permission . You want to run the industry ? Why not doing something NO COMPANY IS DOING in2019 and advocate for your customers.
Dream phone . USER REPLACEABLE BATTERY ( most of us are not scuba divers and phones lasted pretty long before sealed ip68 phones. I had my galaxy note 4 since 2012 and just broke it when i dropped it and the screen cracked ) 3.5mm headphone jack ( which you are on top of your audio game ill give you that , which is primarily why I want an LG device.) 5000mAh battery MicroSD support And most important MAKE THE BOOTLOADER UNLOCKABLE AND DISTRIBUTE THE KERNEL SOURCE Make that phone and youd run the industry . Serious . not saying give up the rest of your line . But , youd have a phone with everything everyone wants and no one else is making . You'd have a cult following the likes of the rocky horror picture show in the 80s . I just dont get it . Manufactures seem to in 2019 give the finger to their customers and pretty much say " YOU SHUT YOUR MOUTH , YOULL BUY WHAT WE WANT TO MAKE YOU AND YOULL PAY 1000.00 USD FOR IT !!! " Id pay a grand happily for a device I could replace the parts that degrade rapidly . like the battery .. But if not , if you really dont care about us your customers. , why not atleast allow the bootloader to be unlocked and distribute the kernel source ?
The v35 could have been a very cool device . All LG mobile devices could have been so epic . But theyre just ok because of the lack of development support and practical longevity support . Im never going to use a phone as a professional photography device on the surface of earth nor underwater . Most people would agree. How bout making the device practical for everyday life , user improvement via development and not build in 2-3 year obsolescence. I have a junk iphone 6 , I want a new phone really bad . But cant justify patronizing companies that openly subjugate me by built in obsolescence . WE WANT TO BUY YOUR PRODUCTS , help me help you .
I wonder if there will be any response . I wonder if there is what it will be . I wonder why most modern phone manufacturers shun customer feedback and replace device requests with gimmic crap like making a claw with your hand in front of the device and rotating in an awkward manner to adjust the volume .
Thats gimmick CRAP
user replaceable battery and bootloader unlock and kernel source with what you already present and youll have a customer loyalty base the likes of which hasnt been seen since 2012.
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Isn't it the carriers that request this? Also they gave up the user replaceable battery for water resistance. The G8 has a feature to reduce charge current to make the battery last longer to try to help with lifespan. They aren't shunning you they stuck with the user-replaceable battery longer than most manufacturers.
Oh, I so, so wish we lived in the world imagined in this letter...
Unlocked bootloaders and shared kernel, yes please! No, it won't revolutionize the industry, but you're absolutely right that the underdogs need to feed the community. It's not Apple money, but it's reliable.
Apple and Samsung rule because their gear doesn't encourage complex thought. It's a tool for ppl who don't want to use it any more than needed. When it comes to computing, we're geeks, nerds, engineers, mechanics, coders, philosophers. Most ppl are not, and will pay big companies to remain so. They're not dumber, they're just focusing on other things. Not everybody needs to rebuild their own tools, or have the time to learn.
Waterproofing and good power management that extends battery life are much more important to me than replaceable battery, and most non-techy ppl would agree. It's a daily tool, it shouldn't die when you drop it in a puddle. I hike a lot and record a lot of wilderness, waterproof cases ruin sensor quality. I'd rather pay pros every 3 years to replace to battery and promise waterproofing. Ideally, it would be a factory program.
Yes, permanent battery glue is wrong, a bad step. Money is killing irreplaceable resources, discouraging Right to Repair is irresponsible, and our descendants will condemn it. It's really sad on so many levels that this is still an issue.
The audio is amazing, the screen is great, but the perceived quality and polish of the iPhone and S10 is cleaner on the showroom floor. It's not fair at all. My G8 is soooo much better on the inside, but most "WOW" consumers won't give it a second glance.
We're approaching the point where consumers will call BS on the 2 year replacement cycle. Manufacturers haven't really fixed screen burn in, and we all know the battery issue. Improving these problems is where LG can drastically change the market; In a couple years, when my friend is replacing their burned-in Samsung, and looks at my LG, if the LG still looks good, my friend will likely give LG a try. If my LG is just as bad, they're going to stick with what they know.
Also, yeah, LG just rolled the mobile division into its larger business, mostly to distract from how much money it lost recently. So, the accusation that LG doesn't care about phones looks to carry a lot of weight. Companies often leave a market at that point. This G8 could soon be a collectible. I hope they unlock the bootloader...
DrivenKeys said:
Oh, I so, so wish we lived in the world imagined in this letter...
Unlocked bootloaders and shared kernel, yes please! No, it won't revolutionize the industry, but you're absolutely right that the underdogs need to feed the community. It's not Apple money, but it's reliable.
Apple and Samsung rule because their gear doesn't encourage complex thought. It's a tool for ppl who don't want to use it any more than needed. When it comes to computing, we're geeks, nerds, engineers, mechanics, coders, philosophers. Most ppl are not, and will pay big companies to remain so. They're not dumber, they're just focusing on other things. Not everybody needs to rebuild their own tools, or have the time to learn.
Waterproofing and good power management that extends battery life are much more important to me than replaceable battery, and most non-techy ppl would agree. It's a daily tool, it shouldn't die when you drop it in a puddle. I hike a lot and record a lot of wilderness, waterproof cases ruin sensor quality. I'd rather pay pros every 3 years to replace to battery and promise waterproofing. Ideally, it would be a factory program.
Yes, permanent battery glue is wrong, a bad step. Money is killing irreplaceable resources, discouraging Right to Repair is irresponsible, and our descendants will condemn it. It's really sad on so many levels that this is still an issue.
The audio is amazing, the screen is great, but the perceived quality and polish of the iPhone and S10 is cleaner on the showroom floor. It's not fair at all. My G8 is soooo much better on the inside, but most "WOW" consumers won't give it a second glance.
We're approaching the point where consumers will call BS on the 2 year replacement cycle. Manufacturers haven't really fixed screen burn in, and we all know the battery issue. Improving these problems is where LG can drastically change the market; In a couple years, when my friend is replacing their burned-in Samsung, and looks at my LG, if the LG still looks good, my friend will likely give LG a try. If my LG is just as bad, they're going to stick with what they know.
Also, yeah, LG just rolled the mobile division into its larger business, mostly to distract from how much money it lost recently. So, the accusation that LG doesn't care about phones looks to carry a lot of weight. Companies often leave a market at that point. This G8 could soon be a collectible. I hope they unlock the bootloader...
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I actually got a response and they wanted my permission and information to run it up the line . Hopefully they listen and use this info .
Yea , there are tweaks to increase batt life . But I like AOSP roms which are pretty much basic stock android running SUPER light . And as I said alot of people arent scuba divers . I had 3 note 4s , note 3 , note 2 . NEVER water damaged them . Most people that want an underwater shot are using a go pro .
Im not saying get rid of sealed phones . Just make a user replaceable battery phone to add to existing lineup .
AND FOR GODSAKE lg unlock the bootloaders and distribute kernel source. Ill buy a v35 thinq and pay a dev a grand just to build this rom and twrp for ME xD
I too is always hoping for LG to change the way they treat their users specially those who love's to tinker their phones.
If they really want to lock down the BL of the US Variants (carriers) they can but not the asian models. If Samsung can why LG can't do that? it's always a question to me why they are doing it. Me as an LG user I already accept the fact that they are slow/late when it comes to updates, but it's okay with me as along as the BL is inlockable. Damn LG.
cheeze.keyk said:
I too is always hoping for LG to change the way they treat their users specially those who love's to tinker their phones.
If they really want to lock down the BL of the US Variants (carriers) they can but not the asian models. If Samsung can why LG can't do that? it's always a question to me why they are doing it. Me as an LG user I already accept the fact that they are slow/late when it comes to updates, but it's okay with me as along as the BL is inlockable. Damn LG.
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This is all new built in obsolescence crap . They all used to unlock the BL , but then that and replaceable battery disappeared at virtually the same time. So when the phone gets old youre forced to buy a new one . Which as a tactic mystifies me because if you undid those 2 changes alone as I said youd have a cult following the likes of which havent been seen in modern times . That AND youd also be doing something no one else is doing . so what you lose in planned obsolescence update purchases youd probably double in brand loyalty and sheer sales volume .
I just dont get it . Most people arent scuba steve sticking their phone underwater to film a blue whale while kayaking . If youre that worried about water damage if you talk on your phone in the rain alot get insurance .
Ive water damaged one phone I can remember in my 42 years . a samsung t539 beat because I left it on my roof and it fell off in the road then it started raining and was raining went I went back and found it unrunover . So all this ip68 crap is just cover so we cant replace a failed battery in hopes we wont pay for a replacement battery but a new phone instead .
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This is all new built in obsolescence crap . They all used to unlock the BL , but then that and replaceable battery disappeared at virtually the same time. So when the phone gets old youre forced to buy a new one . Which as a tactic mystifies me because if you undid those 2 changes alone as I said youd have a cult following the likes of which havent been seen in modern times . That AND youd also be doing something no one else is doing . so what you lose in planned obsolescence update purchases youd probably double in brand loyalty and sheer sales volume .
I just dont get it . Most people arent scuba steve sticking their phone underwater to film a blue whale while kayaking . If youre that worried about water damage if you talk on your phone in the rain alot get insurance .
Ive water damaged one phone I can remember in my 42 years . a samsung t539 beat because I left it on my roof and it fell off in the road then it started raining and was raining went I went back and found it unrunover . So all this ip68 crap is just cover so we cant replace a failed battery in hopes we wont pay for a replacement battery but a new phone instead .
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How are you forced to buy a new one? I watched someone rip the G8 battery out on youtube and you can pay to get it professionally replaced. When I replaced the battery on my G6 it had a pull tab for the battery, but it still bent the battery to hell and it could have exploded in my face. I took it out of the house because I was worried it was unstable. I honestly think it has more to do with amateurs not knowing what they're doing taking the phone apart and then trying to make warranty claims or fears of a law suit from a battery exploding in someone's face. The bootloader is not LG's choice, with the G6 they purposely sold unlockable versions outside of the carrier contracts. You are taking it way too personally, they don't want the battery to move around after 2 years of a phone getting tossed around and they can't exactly screw it into the phone. With batteries getting better and LG's low current charge option there's a good chance this batter could last 3 years. With the higher capacity it won't need to be charged as often either.
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How are you forced to buy a new one? I watched someone rip the G8 battery out on youtube and you can pay to get it professionally replaced. When I replaced the battery on my G6 it had a pull tab for the battery, but it still bent the battery to hell and it could have exploded in my face. I took it out of the house because I was worried it was unstable. I honestly think it has more to do with amateurs not knowing what they're doing taking the phone apart and then trying to make warranty claims or fears of a law suit from a battery exploding in someone's face. The bootloader is not LG's choice, with the G6 they purposely sold unlockable versions outside of the carrier contracts. You are taking it way too personally, they don't want the battery to move around after 2 years of a phone getting tossed around and they can't exactly screw it into the phone. With batteries getting better and LG's low current charge option there's a good chance this batter could last 3 years. With the higher capacity it won't need to be charged as often either.
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I'm not forced I suppose . You are correct . I just pre ordered a Purism Librem 5 linux phone !! Woohooo Bye spy bricks without removable battery !! Ill miss android but i wont miss manufacturers not listening to their consumer base.
Hardware switches for microphone and camera . Modem only connects to the kernel to make calls , User replaceable battery , 3.5mm jack and best of all Native linux operating system by default.
So long android and manufacturers that dont listen to their customer base .
The fact that people are still mad at companies without researching and just... thinking beforehand puzzles me.
Y'all know what you're getting yourself into with buying phones from mainstream manufacturers. It's not news that batteries aren't replaceable, that some variants aren't unlockable, that they're simply trying to get the most profit out of their devices.
Go and buy from a niche-brand if you want everything you listed for a good price. Everyone always praises Oppo and Pocophone or whatever their names are, yet y'all still buy Samsung, Huawei, LG etc and then complain about the most obvious sh*t.
Nothing except for dropping sales will show LG that you're not happy with their business decisions. As if they'd care for a letter in their mailbox written in questionable English... lol
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The fact that people are still mad at companies without researching and just... thinking beforehand puzzles me.
Y'all know what you're getting yourself into with buying phones from mainstream manufacturers. It's not news that batteries aren't replaceable, that some variants aren't unlockable, that they're simply trying to get the most profit out of their devices.
Go and buy from a niche-brand if you want everything you listed for a good price. Everyone always praises Oppo and Pocophone or whatever their names are, yet y'all still buy Samsung, Huawei, LG etc and then complain about the most obvious sh*t.
Nothing except for dropping sales will show LG that you're not happy with their business decisions. As if they'd care for a letter in their mailbox written in questionable English... lol
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I agree wholly , if all a company cares about is profit and the serfs will chew up whatever they spit out at them without question than far be it from me to complain I guess. I sent the letter , hopefully someone who makes decisions reads it and has a change of heart . If not? No worries.
I from now on won't be subject to built in google spyware , I will type SU in a terminal for root level permissions , I will change my battery myself when the battery goes bad and I will enjoy the old friend that is linux. I did away with windows because of their hijinx in 2011 and never looked back and now Once again linux is that old rock that allows me to escape dwindling freedoms and longevity extension once again .
I was excited when I got my first android device . I thought it was the future due to the fact you didnt have to grovel to install TWRP and custom roms on most devices and it was a linux fork and it was open source but the device manufacturers and the built in spying have just left a bad taste in my mouth . So be it .
Im now awaiting a device with 3 hardware switches
1 for cellular baseband
1 for wifi and blutooth
and
1 for camera and microphone.
And when you switch all 3 off at the same time ? It goes into lockdown mode and disables power to the remaining sensors on the phone .
I wont have the endless sea of apps anymore but honestly its going to be able to play quake II natively and I dont need my phone to be a seismometer .
There are cons to this decision as well but they are far outweighed by the pros .
So long !! Hope to see some dev support and a thriving community for this device when it drops as it is completely open hardware and can install any linux OS devs want to build for it . I'd be happy to be a monetary contributor to that end . Im sure others would be as well .
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I actually got a response and they wanted my permission and information to run it up the line . Hopefully they listen and use this info .
Yea , there are tweaks to increase batt life . But I like AOSP roms which are pretty much basic stock android running SUPER light . And as I said alot of people arent scuba divers . I had 3 note 4s , note 3 , note 2 . NEVER water damaged them . Most people that want an underwater shot are using a go pro .
Im not saying get rid of sealed phones . Just make a user replaceable battery phone to add to existing lineup .
AND FOR GODSAKE lg unlock the bootloaders and distribute kernel source. Ill buy a v35 thinq and pay a dev a grand just to build this rom and twrp for ME xD
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@Frau Son @somedude_36
Fun fact, I just learned why LG did this, the G8 has a lithium polymer batter that should never need to be replaced, by never i mean in the lifespan of the phone.
Frau Son said:
The fact that people are still mad at companies without researching and just... thinking beforehand puzzles me.
Y'all know what you're getting yourself into with buying phones from mainstream manufacturers. It's not news that batteries aren't replaceable, that some variants aren't unlockable, that they're simply trying to get the most profit out of their devices.
Go and buy from a niche-brand if you want everything you listed for a good price. Everyone always praises Oppo and Pocophone or whatever their names are, yet y'all still buy Samsung, Huawei, LG etc and then complain about the most obvious sh*t.
Nothing except for dropping sales will show LG that you're not happy with their business decisions. As if they'd care for a letter in their mailbox written in questionable English... lol
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Lg's phone sales are already abysmal. Which means, not even dropping sales over the years has taught them anything. It's a shame, I really liked LG at one point. I own an op6 and couldn't be happier. By far the best phone I've ever owned. I've had it just over a year and it works like new. I recommend the OP get this phone and be happy.
I really don't understand how the only companies in the us with a unlock phone and an unlock-able boot loader is one plus and motorola and google to be honest these phones aren't even that great but they give customers the ability to customize the phones and to add the functions they need. It is a shame carriers have taken over the smartphone world in the united states we haven't been able to get a right to repair bill thru congress with would at least give us the ability to unlock our bootloaders and repair damage at a cheaper rate put the lastest custom rom on our phone and use the full feature set of the software and hardware on the device we own. I never finance a device and am starting to feel like all these carriers and companies are taking advantage of us. What was the use of getting rid of the two year contract if we can't tinker with our device and customize it even if it means we loose our warranty.
Just to prove your point about customer loyalty...
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Hi , I was wondering why you choose to keep your bootloaders locked . It really seems like LG doesn't really care about its mobile line . Asus recently sent bootloader unlock and kernel source to developers at XDAdevelopers.com because they know phones that can be rooted and use custom software have HUGE cult followings...
...user replaceable battery and bootloader unlock and kernel source with what you already present and youll have a customer loyalty base the likes of which hasn't been seen since 2012.
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At the time of this posting, I can buy a used - excellent to very good condition - unlocked LG G8 (only a few months old!) for around $300 on ebay. MSRP is $850. SMH...
Mate you're completely bonkers, what you want from a phone is stuff that most people don't know or care about. Ask a random person on the street what they think of LG's bootloader unlock policy and they'll have no idea what you mean.
For the record, I am never buying a phone that isn't ip68 again since using waterproof samsungs for a couple years. This is MUCH more valuable than an easily removable battery, to me. So stop asking companies to take away waterproofing - most of them don't do it anyway.
Hey if you're in contact with them, let someone know this XDA lurker didn't get the amazing deal of $400 for the G8 on Amazon on black Friday because of no custom ROMs.