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I'm starting to feel ripped off with how long these upgrades take. I mean when you have phones manufactures posting profits in the millions and billions, yet they wont hire the manpower to get these updates out, it gets old. I have an evo3d, and feel like we should have ICS already. I know when I had a palm pre, at launch, the armchair programmers did more for that phone for free, then palms paid programmers ever did. Thats what I dont understand, if these rom guys can do so much in a couple hours after work, then why can't these paid 8 hour sh%theads get the job done in a reasonable amount of time. Just like my acer 100 tab, when you buy it they say january have ICS, after you've bought it, now its april maybe. Ridiculous. Just venting I suppose, although I feel its a justified vent.
I'm not sure why they don't update things faster either. I guess it's just that a new version of android would confuse the majority of users. idk
Why would android OEMs want to upgrade their old devices? They get their money from selling more phones, if your g1 was officially kicking ICS, why would you want to upgrade? It's sales strategy. If you want updates, go to pretty much any other OS.
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Why would android OEMs want to upgrade their old devices? They get their money from selling more phones, if your g1 was officially kicking ICS, why would you want to upgrade? It's sales strategy.
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This is partly true, this rest is garbage.
Another thing is, people who want upgraded OSs are in the minority. So it just doesn't make since to put resources into stuff people don't care about.
A lot of my friends are still on IOS4.
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Are there any programs that will only work on ICS that you absolutely must have?
There's none in my case.
My phone works great, so why do I need the OS updated to the latest?
xaccers said:
Are there any programs that will only work on ICS that you absolutely must have?
There's none in my case.
My phone works great, so why do I need the OS updated to the latest?
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99% of the time I'd agree with that, but I'm fastidious when it comes to having organised bookmarks. I use Chrome at home and at work and have bookmark syncing enabled. I've used ChromeMarks to access my Chrome bookmarks on my phone, but I've always wanted it to be part of the browser.
Enter, Google Chrome for Android. It does the bookmark syncing.
I literally have ICS on my S2 for that 1 reason. Even with a few bugs and lags every now and then (it's still beta, after all).
I find the people not wanting updates comment as b.s. As for them not wanting to update to sell new phones, I agree with that, but as a consumer it gets tiring having every penny milked from you in one way or another. I buy a new phone outright every year, I have an evo3d, so comparing its update to something like a g1 is ridiculous at best.
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^ as stated you're the minority. The majority don't buy phones for updates. Hell most don't know what OS their phone has.
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if they dont update it you will be more willing to upgrade your phone sooner. They have nothing to gain from spending time updating there phones when they can slap a slightly better os on a slightly better phone and get you in a new two year contract.
bacnat86 said:
if they dont update it you will be more willing to upgrade your phone sooner. They have nothing to gain from spending time updating there phones when they can slap a slightly better os on a slightly better phone and get you in a new two year contract.
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Correcto, thats why carriers love Android so much.
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I'm starting to feel ripped off with how long these upgrades take. I mean when you have phones manufactures posting profits in the millions and billions, yet they wont hire the manpower to get these updates out, it gets old. I have an evo3d, and feel like we should have ICS already. I know when I had a palm pre, at launch, the armchair programmers did more for that phone for free, then palms paid programmers ever did. Thats what I dont understand, if these rom guys can do so much in a couple hours after work, then why can't these paid 8 hour sh%theads get the job done in a reasonable amount of time. Just like my acer 100 tab, when you buy it they say january have ICS, after you've bought it, now its april maybe. Ridiculous. Just venting I suppose, although I feel its a justified vent.
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because the programmers get paid for it so they have no hurry. the dev community wants to use it so they put alot of hours and concentration into and get it out. I feel your pain man
This.
bacnat86 said:
if they dont update it you will be more willing to upgrade your phone sooner. They have nothing to gain from spending time updating there phones when they can slap a slightly better os on a slightly better phone and get you in a new two year contract.
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This is the most common candidate for being the main reason. Why make people content with the last Big Thing when you can instead beef up and get them hyped for the next Big Thing?
But then why schedule the Ice Cream upgrade for the SGII just before the SGIII comes out? Beats me. Maybe companies are just schizophrenic. Maybe it's a genius plan to make people fume into wanting the SGIII (people tend not to to change their minds once they've made it up) while ensuring the people who can't afford it still remain happy after six months. Maybe it's just a publicity issue (Samsung needs the positive publicity of coming out with ICS, so they'll eventually need to follow through, but not until the very last moment). Any explanation seems likely to me at this point.
This is why it's generally best to buy a future-proof phone. With the Nexus, for example, you'll be able to get indefinite upgrades from google (even if you have to go through a few hoops). The easier something is to unlock (and I suppose: the more popular it is so that more devs are working on it), the more likely you'll be able to keep your phone upgraded yourself, even if you'll have to go through a few hoops to do so. You can't rely on your manufacturer*, and you definitely can't rely on your carrier to have your best upgrade interests in mind.
Of course, if you get a new phone every year (or even every two years), this isn't so much of an issue for you. Most people probably do this (indeed, the very system encourages them to do this), and so there's little incentive to actually change the system.
*This is supposedly where Apple excels, but at what cost..
I can answer that....
You see, all the armchair programmers have a disclaimer that says "We are not responsible if we break your phone..It may, or may not work as expected and if it blows up your phone it's not our fault"
A huge corporation like Motorola/HTC/Samsung/LG/Nokia/etc have millions of users worldwide with a large set of carriers that all want to tweak the user experience to what that particular carrier wants to standardize on. The phone manufacturer may build what they think is a perfectly reasonable piece of software (ALL software has bugs by the way) only to have it kicked back by the internal quality assurance team because it fails a particular test case. And when you have several dozen/hundred developers working on software it's a coordinated effort to meet internal timelines and goals. And if it passes the internal testing it has to be tested by the carriers who can reject the software build due to bugs/user experience/last minute enhancements which triggers the whole cycle all over again.
Smaller development teams where it's a few people working on code do not have as much overhead and probably don't have as much internal testing processes for all possible corner cases as a huge company does so they can coordinate and release a build much quicker.
sleekgreek said:
I'm starting to feel ripped off with how long these upgrades take. I mean when you have phones manufactures posting profits in the millions and billions, yet they wont hire the manpower to get these updates out, it gets old. I have an evo3d, and feel like we should have ICS already. I know when I had a palm pre, at launch, the armchair programmers did more for that phone for free, then palms paid programmers ever did. Thats what I dont understand, if these rom guys can do so much in a couple hours after work, then why can't these paid 8 hour sh%theads get the job done in a reasonable amount of time. Just like my acer 100 tab, when you buy it they say january have ICS, after you've bought it, now its april maybe. Ridiculous. Just venting I suppose, although I feel its a justified vent.
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As said above, the biggest issues are that Devs here and elsewhere have no responsibilities if the upgrades fail, and secondly, there are a ridiculous number of devices being released. There are about 100 android devices available as current phones, and I don't know how many total. Rather difficult to keep so many up to date. It would be nice if they would scale back how many products are out at once, but manufacturers don't seem to get that yet.
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I can answer that....
You see, all the armchair programmers have a disclaimer that says "We are not responsible if we break your phone..It may, or may not work as expected and if it blows up your phone it's not our fault"
A huge corporation like Motorola/HTC/Samsung/LG/Nokia/etc have millions of users worldwide with a large set of carriers that all want to tweak the user experience to what that particular carrier wants to standardize on. The phone manufacturer may build what they think is a perfectly reasonable piece of software (ALL software has bugs by the way) only to have it kicked back by the internal quality assurance team because it fails a particular test case. And when you have several dozen/hundred developers working on software it's a coordinated effort to meet internal timelines and goals. And if it passes the internal testing it has to be tested by the carriers who can reject the software build due to bugs/user experience/last minute enhancements which triggers the whole cycle all over again.
Smaller development teams where it's a few people working on code do not have as much overhead and probably don't have as much internal testing processes for all possible corner cases as a huge company does so they can coordinate and release a build much quicker.
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I just dont agree with that, after being with the palm pre from its launch, through all the manual hacks we had to implement before preware, then finally recieving an update months later that couldn't compete with the unofficial code from the guys over at precentral. There is a problem there. I understand there is alot of red tape involved with official releases, but even given that, the time frames are still ridiculous to the point that there is nothing reasonable about it. As awesome as the pre was it was missing basic functions, functions that were there in the code, perhaps they wanted to follow apples model of screwing the customer into the next model, idk. The fact of the matter is, there is no reason why htc or acer or samsung, despite touchwiz and sense and cant push out a nice update in a timely manner, none.
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if they dont update it you will be more willing to upgrade your phone sooner. They have nothing to gain from spending time updating there phones when they can slap a slightly better os on a slightly better phone and get you in a new two year contract.
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In the UK where contracts (compared with what I've seen in other countries) are actually pretty good value, you get a new phone for free or not very much every time you renew your contract.
After even a year, there are much better phones out there, the phone you have may be a bit scuffed around the corners, battery will be down on capacity.
So most people upgrade when they get a new contract anyway.
It kills me when i read about the supposedly new "jelly bean" that's supposed to be coming out within the year. Seriously? get ICS out on more phones before you even THINK about releasing another update. Who knows the actual reason behind the delays for these updates but someone needs to get on it. When some of the newest phones out right now still don't have ICS or won't for awhile, there's something wrong.
The obvious plan is to push people to buy the newer quad core phones, more contracts, more money, not to mention if there's a premium because they're "quad core" just like then 4G first came out.
the majority of people buy what their salesman makes look good. some chick at the t-mobile store i was in bought some old phone cuz it was a few bucks cheaper than a new phone, which is like twice as fast and will have support at least 6 months longer than the other..
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the majority of people buy what their salesman makes look good. some chick at the t-mobile store i was in bought some old phone cuz it was a few bucks cheaper than a new phone, which is like twice as fast and will have support at least 6 months longer than the other..
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This is true. A while back when I was trying to buy my first smartphone I ended up buying an original Droid just because of the salesman telling me about buy one get one offer, after reading about them, I had found out that this phone was so outdated, luckily I had found out before my 30 days.
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early adopters complain about issues and treat it like it a huge surprise?
You bought the first run on purpose. I have yet to see a piece of electronics that didn't have some kind of issue at launch. The iPhone 4, Galaxy S, G2...pretty much every piece of hardware I have followed the launch of has had issues at launch.
I've taken the stand that I am going to wait at least a month before I buy a new product. Usually longer. I also prefer to buy pre-owned so I can save money and also make sure the thing works.
So why all the surprise? Is it that people just like drama or are they really that ignorant?
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early adopters complain about issues and treat it like it a huge surprise?
You bought the first run on purpose. I have yet to see a piece of electronics that didn't have some kind of issue at launch. The iPhone 4, Galaxy S, G2...pretty much every piece of hardware I have followed the launch of has had issues at launch.
I've taken the stand that I am going to wait at least a month before I buy a new product. Usually longer. I also prefer to buy pre-owned so I can save money and also make sure the thing works.
So why all the surprise? Is it that people just like drama or are they really that ignorant?
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+1 :good:
You make it sound like the only people that own the product are the ones here complaining. I'm willing to bet they are a small fraction of the owners. Besides, the true early adopters know that there will be issues, and quietly get them resolved without making a stink. My thoughts are the ones complaining are the ones that only follow the big tech announcements and see the next "must have" product and aren't true "early adopters".
tl;dr whining about whiners
Where do you expect a post on XDA like this to go? I would suggest you ask a mod to close this thread as it has no relevant value (other than starting flame wars).
So only threads complaining about problems unnecessarily are allowed?
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early adopters complain about issues and treat it like it a huge surprise?
You bought the first run on purpose. I have yet to see a piece of electronics that didn't have some kind of issue at launch. The iPhone 4, Galaxy S, G2...pretty much every piece of hardware I have followed the launch of has had issues at launch.
I've taken the stand that I am going to wait at least a month before I buy a new product. Usually longer. I also prefer to buy pre-owned so I can save money and also make sure the thing works.
So why all the surprise? Is it that people just like drama or are they really that ignorant?
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because you touch yourself at night.
ATOT :highfive:
The small minority with problems will always be the vocal majority.
rudeguy said:
early adopters complain about issues and treat it like it a huge surprise?
You bought the first run on purpose. I have yet to see a piece of electronics that didn't have some kind of issue at launch. The iPhone 4, Galaxy S, G2...pretty much every piece of hardware I have followed the launch of has had issues at launch.
I've taken the stand that I am going to wait at least a month before I buy a new product. Usually longer. I also prefer to buy pre-owned so I can save money and also make sure the thing works.
So why all the surprise? Is it that people just like drama or are they really that ignorant?
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I waited until recently to grab one and I still got a dud. Don't get me wrong, I loved my Nexus 7 and still highly recommend it to people. What burns me is when issues aren't fixed, which seems to be a growing trend with ASUS right now. If there's an issue and it's fixed, I'm as happy as a clam. Refusal to fix with a 170 dollar quote from ASUS to fix it? Now that's just bad.
So if I buy a car that's a first production run and it fails on my while driving it's to be expected? I don't think that's acceptable. But hey maybe I am just a crazy person who expects things to work.
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So if I buy a car that's a first production run and it fails on my while driving it's to be expected? I don't think that's acceptable. But hey maybe I am just a crazy person who expects things to work.
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But are you dropping 20 grand on a phone? I doubt it. Phones usually aren't used for more than a year or two before the owner decides to upgrade. A car is usually used 5-10+ years. You can't expect the quality control from a car to be the same or even close to the same as for a mobile device.
Now I agree, I also want things to work but no way will the company be able to iron out all the problems before release.
Its not that we expect products to be problem free, but they should be free of *major* problems and/or the mfg should fix these issues. That's not what I'm seeing with the latest Asus products though...
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But are you dropping 20 grand on a phone? I doubt it. Phones usually aren't used for more than a year or two before the owner decides to upgrade. A car is usually used 5-10+ years. You can't expect the quality control from a car to be the same or even close to the same as for a mobile device.
Now I agree, I also want things to work but no way will the company be able to iron out all the problems before release.
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I agree. Plus your nexus 7 isn't going to kill you if something breaks or goes wrong. Cars are held to a different standard and are tested to make sure they are safe for people.
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Where do you expect a post on XDA like this to go? I would suggest you ask a mod to close this thread as it has no relevant value (other than starting flame wars).
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So only threads complaining about problems unnecessarily are allowed?
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Seems like a reasonable thing to discuss in the general section. Your reply seems kind of rude.
I guess that, for me at least, I don't consider myself a beta tester. If I buy a product, be it first run or 10 years later, I expect it to work like it is supposed to work. Anything less is not acceptable in my view. If you charge me money for a product, then I demand/feel entitled/whatever to have that product live up to it's claims. Now, if you want me to be a beta tester for your product, by all means, you can give me a non-polished product...but then the product needs to be free and if you want more than complaints, be prepared to pay me an hourly rate for my time as well.
Luckily I seem to have incredible luck and I've only had one product be defective out of all the mobile devices I've owned.
Boohooo
With any rather is be a new car a cell phone or tablet.. or even a door knob.. You will here from 1 of maybe a few hundred that are totally satisfied.. When people have issues now days they head online. IF this were a car forum you would hear complaints .well maybe even about your car. that you might love and have no issues..
people witeh issues wanna hear from others with similar issues. If nothing more then to know they are not alone . When people ban together especially a place like here to let it be known there are MAJOR issues with a product the manufacture takes notice. YES even ASUS with there lack of ability to produce a good product . 4 Years ago i would have stood behind them. NO MORE well i just hope they get the act together before they get hit with many class action suits. There is a huge common problem with the nexus..
NO The problem is not performance or function . its BUILD QUALITY a crying shame on such a well thought out product. with very poor Quality testing
With all that said XDA in the general section under the correct device . Doing so respectfully is the CORRECT Place for these type of post.. Development is not just software its built and design quality. As we have seen several post about people fixing there own device .
As far as this tablet.. THERE should be a buffer space between the trim piece and the glass. Glass and plastic expands and contracts diffident This will likely cause alot of glass breaking in the future.. Mine broke 30 minutes after purchase in my hand with no drop no over exertion . Yes these issues are a exception to most peoples experience.. But they still happen to often..
my two Cents...
Many threads are there to report problems or see if others have the same problem to see if there is a common factor or fix, not always just to complain.
A topic complaining about complaining, I find it easier not to click on topics that do not appeal to me.......Or I just thought of a new topic to make
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A topic complaining about complaining, I find it easier not to click on topics that do not appeal to me.......Or I just thought of a new topic to make
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So your saying make a new thread about threads complaining about people who are are posting about issues with there Device CLEAVER.
NOT..!!!!!!!!!!!:laugh:
People want to pay $100 bucks and have a complaint about everything that is wrong with something. It reminds me of those people who buy 40 inch Coby TV's and then complain and tell the world about how bad Coby is and why it sucks..
hi.im a loyal Samsung customer. i love their innovations, their experimentation, their ideas!
i love Note series, since Note 1, i never got anyother daily driver phone. it was always Note! the refined version of their S line.
Everybody knows how samsung treated Note 4. it is left like it is not even one of their own.
im not living in Europe or USA or Canada, where u can get subsidy from carriers and get a new phone and pay the rest monthly.
i have to get the cash, get it for almost 40% higher price than its price, or get it imported . i got mine imported.
Yesterday my Note 4 screen gave up on me. the left side of the display flickered and glitched out on its own for NO reason at all! i didnt drop it, i didnt put weight on it, it didnt get wet, NOTHING! all on its own, and mind u its only 20 days old phone.
its under warranty but i cant claim it cause i got it from UK and now i cant go back or send it back cause that would take time and lots of money especially when, if fixed, it comes back.
now i gave it for repair but they didnt satisfy me and said that these issues were common with S5 and onward phones from samsung. risk is higher cause it can be LCD issue which will cost me around $200, where i got this phone for $550
i had a Tab S8.4 this January, that had TERRIBLE battery issue, and after that motherboard died and i had to sell in for parts!
now all these stories and whats the outcome?
well i see many people here saying that looking at support from samsung for note 4 , they will not be getting any more samsung device, and blah blah.... then how come samsung sell millions of newer releases especially in European countries and USA? i mean, majority of their sales are in these areas right?
its sad, how **** their QC has gone, and even software support is ****! everyone knows they will not release 5.1 for international models until after Note 5 comes out.
Note 4 was supposed to be DAWN of new design language for samsung especially for their Flagships, but where is that philosophy now?
im not trying to be that mean dude, but it hurts when u spend ur hard earned money, u wait for a device u love, u get that and after 20 days u find its screen glitch out for no ****ING reason!
this is second time within few months, samsung betrayed me.
and its not just me, no major update in almost a year is bad from samsung.
so all who are saying they will not get Note 5 for lack of SD card slot, or removable battery, PLS STICK TO YOUR WORDS!
they have really really turned themselves like apple. samsung is the new apple now... but atleast, Apple knows a thing or two about QC and Software support. because without software support these phones are nothing more than a piece of hardware!
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aami.aami said:
hi.im a loyal Samsung customer. i love their innovations, their experimentation, their ideas!
i love Note series, since Note 1, i never got anyother daily driver phone. it was always Note! the refined version of their S line.
Everybody knows how samsung treated Note 4. it is left like it is not even one of their own.
im not living in Europe or USA or Canada, where u can get subsidy from carriers and get a new phone and pay the rest monthly.
i have to get the cash, get it for almost 40% higher price than its price, or get it imported . i got mine imported.
Yesterday my Note 4 screen gave up on me. the left side of the display flickered and glitched out on its own for NO reason at all! i didnt drop it, i didnt put weight on it, it didnt get wet, NOTHING! all on its own, and mind u its only 20 days old phone.
its under warranty but i cant claim it cause i got it from UK and now i cant go back or send it back cause that would take time and lots of money especially when, if fixed, it comes back.
now i gave it for repair but they didnt satisfy me and said that these issues were common with S5 and onward phones from samsung. risk is higher cause it can be LCD issue which will cost me around $200, where i got this phone for $550
i had a Tab S8.4 this January, that had TERRIBLE battery issue, and after that motherboard died and i had to sell in for parts!
now all these stories and whats the outcome?
well i see many people here saying that looking at support from samsung for note 4 , they will not be getting any more samsung device, and blah blah.... then how come samsung sell millions of newer releases especially in European countries and USA? i mean, majority of their sales are in these areas right?
its sad, how **** their QC has gone, and even software support is ****! everyone knows they will not release 5.1 for international models until after Note 5 comes out.
Note 4 was supposed to be DAWN of new design language for samsung especially for their Flagships, but where is that philosophy now?
im not trying to be that mean dude, but it hurts when u spend ur hard earned money, u wait for a device u love, u get that and after 20 days u find its screen glitch out for no ****ING reason!
this is second time within few months, samsung betrayed me.
and its not just me, no major update in almost a year is bad from samsung.
so all who are saying they will not get Note 5 for lack of SD card slot, or removable battery, PLS STICK TO YOUR WORDS!
they have really really turned themselves like apple. samsung is the new apple now... but atleast, Apple knows a thing or two about QC and Software support. because without software support these phones are nothing more than a piece of hardware!
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Why buy an imported version? Imports always have their risks no matter the brand. A screen replacement is always expensive due to the high costs of the amoled display (oem displays are always much more expensive than their knockoffs). Did you try calling a samsung service center for help? Sometimes they honor the warranty even if it is an import. If not then just send it back to the store you bought it from (should be cheaper than replacing the screen).
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i knew i would get such comments and even hate for this. its not a personal matter.
i would eventually get my issue fixed, that not the problem. the problem is Samsung's behavior to its customers.
its us buying their products and when people find unnecessary issues and lack of support from company, we rage like hell. but then at the end we go and buy another one of their over priced product and the cycle keeps going on and on....
the reason of this thread is not to bash samsung or to bash its customers in anyway. i myself like samsung but not anymore and thats because of no one else but samsung themselves.
its only US, customers who can fix lot of issues.
im sure many here would understand my point, sad you didn't
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i knew i would get such comments and even hate for this. its not a personal matter.
i would eventually get my issue fixed, that not the problem. the problem is Samsung's behavior to its customers.
its us buying their products and when people find unnecessary issues and lack of support from company, we rage like hell. but then at the end we go and buy another one of their over priced product and the cycle keeps going on and on....
the reason of this thread is not to bash samsung or to bash its customers in anyway. i myself like samsung but not anymore and thats because of no one else but samsung themselves.
its only US, customers who can fix lot of issues.
im sure many here would understand my point, sad you didn't
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Look it's not that I don't understand your point, it's the fact that your thread number 500 on this subject. I've already said I'm not buying another Samsung product.. I love my note 4 but have grown to dislike the lack of updates and most definitely the lack of open source on the TW side of things.
This is what happens when you take risks for granted. That extra 40% for a local version probably doesn't seem so bad now. You should consider an import as a no warranty device, not to mention you rooting it as well. I don't think I would purchase any kind of device today for $550 without some kind of warranty, unless I had 100% certainty the device would not fail.
I knew the risk when I bought my Note 4 and rooted it the second I brought it home. That was a $700 risk I was willing to accept with nobody else to blame but myself. (Of course I used the ol' amex warranty safety net, I am not totally reckless)
Conclusion: Suck it up, move on, and hopefully learn something from the experience.
I'm with you. The Note 4 amazed me when I got it, but the Lollipop update and amazingly long delays in fixing the issues, seeing all Samsungs old, ****ty models getting 5.1.1 before their newest most expensive flagship phone really soured me off the experience. With the Note 5 looking total ****, it seems like there's no real reason to stay with Samsung. Great hardware (except the Note 5), but their support and software are ****.
I totaly agree with you and I will not buy any Samsung phone/product in the future. I have Note 4 and Tab S and on Note 4 I had to lose warranty and root it to get the ROM that is working to some point and on Tab S I have stock and it is HORRIBLE! Gr8 piece of HW with crappy SW = not worth it! Thx to this incompetent Samsung like engeniers Apple is still on top thx to good support and great SW with lesser HW.
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see! i told you guys! samsung says no Note 5 for Europe and also just look at what they made us wait for our Note 4 5.1, this ****ty fingerprint magnet Note 5.
what are the upgrades? NOTHING!
The note 7. What a failure for Samsung. Economically and their reputation. But who's really to blame. Battery manufactures are spotty at best for any electronics manufacture. Its just how that gamble works in the battery game. There are no real reliable sources. That's why there are most likely 6 18650 battery cells in your older laptop, made by Sony, Samsung, or LG. Each cell is 4.2 volts when fully charged. Wired in series, this equals 25.2 volts. Each cell has a minimum of 3 volts, or 18 volts in series. Which means your battery pack can operate from roughly 18-25volts. Your charger is a 19 volt charger. Meaning when they designed your laptop, they did so keeping in mind on average of 1 out of 6 of your cells has had a manufacturing catastrophic failure. But the battery pack will still work. Why do you think they die so fast and their capacities diminish? Now Samsung releases millions of cell phones with non-removable battery covers, forcing users to purchase new phones instead of batteries, it's like they where asking for a 19 billion dollar loss, because they can't point fingers at anyone but themselves, knowing the battery market is as it is today. I don't feel sorry for them for going cheap and trying to copy apple. We are fortunate we didn't see this happen sooner, although we all take today's technologies for granted and expect miracles from countries that cannot keep up to our capitalist demand, like legitimate batteries.
Thing is Samsung isn't the first to do sealed in batteries and this isnt their first phone with a sealed in battery (see S6, S6edge, S6edge+, Note5, S7. S7edge). Making the statement that they were asking for it by sealing in batteries is an over simplification when you consider all the phones that have sealed batteries and all the tablets that have always had sealed batteries.
Also what does it have to do with "keeping up with our capitalist demands". South Korea where Samsung is based is in fact a capitalist country, maybe you are mistaking it for socialist state like North Korea.
If anything it is a failure of QA on their end (opting to test everything in house, which is likely to cut cost).
I don't see a reliable way of waterproofing with a removable battery. The construction of the Sim tray with a water leak sticker right below it is a dead give away.
Half the people couldn't even click all the back fasteners on a phone anyways.
pcriz said:
Thing is Samsung isn't the first to do sealed in batteries and this isnt their first phone with a sealed in battery (see S6, S6edge, S6edge+, Note5, S7. S7edge). Making the statement that they were asking for it by sealing in batteries is an over simplification when you consider all the phones that have sealed batteries and all the tablets that have always had sealed batteries.
Also what does it have to do with "keeping up with our capitalist demands". South Korea where Samsung is based is in fact a capitalist country, maybe you are mistaking it for socialist state like North Korea.
If anything it is a failure of QA on their end (opting to test everything in house, which is likely to cut cost).
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Hey guy. Whats the intelligence behind sealed back covers. Profit. So when your battery goes out, you have to replace the phone not the battery. Defend samsung some more, South korea is currently suing samsung. Samsung Made this stupid decision. They could have pointed the finger at the battery manufacture and avoided the whole thing. But they had to seal it, resulting in a 19 billion dollar loss.
I don't care if it's the first, or last phone with a sealed battery cover, NONE of them should have it. Period.
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I don't see a reliable way of waterproofing with a removable battery. The construction of the Sim tray with a water leak sticker right below it is a dead give away.
Half the people couldn't even click all the back fasteners on a phone anyways.
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The S5 was water resistant and has a removable battery.
Its 3 generation's old now so I would think the technology has gotten better since then as well
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Hey guy. Whats the intelligence behind sealed back covers. Profit. So when your battery goes out, you have to replace the phone not the battery. Defend samsung some more, South korea is currently suing samsung. Samsung Made this stupid decision. They could have pointed the finger at the battery manufacture and avoided the whole thing. But they had to seal it, resulting in a 19 billion dollar loss.
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Thanks for not addressing every other phone with a sealed battery. Your point is already flawed.
And if you think every decision made about a device isn't based around return on investment then you are lost.
You guys come in armchair quarterbacking this and cant think outside of a pretty small box to even have a logical discussion.
Also love profound statement of Company X did this to save money/profit, what a company did something in an attempt to make money?!
Lol defend samsung? Did you not see my last statement about how they screwed up by using internal QA or is your confirmation bais not allowing you to acknowledge that?
force70 said:
The S5 was water resistant and has a removable battery.
Its 3 generation's old now so I would think the technology has gotten better since then as well
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If you read his post fully it says he doesnt see a reliable way of water proofing. Thing is the s5 had its fair share of unhappy users that utilized the water resistance only to realize they didn't secure one of the covers completely or the back wasnt fully closed. Then since water resistance doesnt negate water damage as a no no for insurance claims you had a lot of unhappy customers.
That being said you can't really think the resistance to ingress of moisture is better on the s5 than it is on s7.
The technology did improve, do you remember the design sacrifices for water proofing an s5? Physical buttons, port covers, what good is that in the event of an accident unless you always have them plugged.
Im not saying samsung is perfect but lets at least be objective when we discuss this.
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If you read his post fully it says he doesnt see a reliable way of water proofing. Thing is the s5 had its fair share of unhappy users that utilized the water resistance only to realize they didn't secure one of the covers completely or the back wasnt fully closed. Then since water resistance doesnt negate water damage as a no no for insurance claims you had a lot of unhappy customers.
That being said you can't really think the resistance to ingress of moisture is better on the s5 than it is on s7.
The technology did improve, do you remember the design sacrifices for water proofing an s5? Physical buttons, port covers, what good is that in the event of an accident unless you always have them plugged.
Im not saying samsung is perfect but lets at least be objective when we discuss this.
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Unreliable due to user error does not count, unreliable due to poor design and engineering is a different matter entirely.
Yes the ports all being covered was not exactly user friendly thats for sure.
And no of course I certainly would not expect the S5 to be better in regards to water resistance or anything else for tbat matter lol
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As an engineer we are taught to design for everything, including user error. An easy and repeated user error is called an engineering design flaw.
I am reminded of a tooth paste tube story where they changed the cap to be the pop off type instead of the screw off type. this is of course a better design as the pop top stays on the tube and is quicker than having to screw and unscrew the top each time. But consumers complained about a broken cap because they couldn't unscrew it. The designers did not say "stupid consumers" they said "bad design"
Not saying this is best for society, it limits progression, but its just the reality.
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As an engineer we are taught to design for everything, including user error. An easy and repeated user error is called an engineering design flaw.
I am reminded of a tooth paste tube story where they changed the cap to be the pop off type instead of the screw off type. this is of course a better design as the pop top stays on the tube and is quicker than having to screw and unscrew the top each time. But consumers complained about a broken cap because they couldn't unscrew it. The designers did not say "stupid consumers" they said "bad design"
Not saying this is best for society, it limits progression, but its just the reality.
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I beleive the layman's term is idiot proofing. Which from my experience is impossible as there is always one idiot who can find way to screw up even the best design or instructions lol
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I beleive the layman's term is idiot proofing. Which from my experience is impossible as there is always one idiot who can find way to screw up even the best design or instructions lol
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Agreed, no matter how much time i spend designing something, and thinking its idiot proof, Somebody somehow always finds a way......
pcriz said:
Thanks for not addressing every other phone with a sealed battery. Your point is already flawed.
And if you think every decision made about a device isn't based around return on investment then you are lost.
You guys come in armchair quarterbacking this and cant think outside of a pretty small box to even have a logical discussion.
Also love profound statement of Company X did this to save money/profit, what a company did something in an attempt to make money?!
Lol defend samsung? Did you not see my last statement about how they screwed up by using internal QA or is your confirmation bais not allowing you to acknowledge that?
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Now it looks like Samsung will have to defend itself. There being sued for this by the South Korean people. Look at the end of the day, I don't work for any of them so I don't really give a damn. I'm just talking out of my a$$ to rant sorry. You can delete this thread if you want.
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Now it looks like Samsung will have to defend itself. There being sued for this by the South Korean people. Look at the end of the day, I don't work for any of them so I don't really give a damn. I'm just talking out of my a$$ to rant sorry. You can delete this thread if you want.
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I think they should be sued. I will bet you money you will see a full influx of leaks for the s8 and all the hype and promotions will have everyone forget this mess even happened.
I have never been tied to one brand but Samsung solely because of the Note line has seen the most action for me. This go around I am ditching sammy for the Pixel. I can't act like coming from a Note 7 it doesnt feel like a downgrade but most phones on the market do at this point.
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I think they should be sued. I will bet you money you will see a full influx of leaks for the s8 and all the hype and promotions will have everyone forget this mess even happened.
I have never been tied to one brand but Samsung solely because of the Note line has seen the most action for me. This go around I am ditching sammy for the Pixel. I can't act like coming from a Note 7 it doesnt feel like a downgrade but most phones on the market do at this point.
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You know what's really bad? Besides the fact we are no longer seeing note 7 fires and from the ones that were officially found to be fraudulent or media bull****...i guarantee the note 8 will have people claiming their note 8 catches on fire when that comes out. I promise you there will be and I wouldn't be surprised if that's immediately cancelled without even bothering to realize people fake **** and possibly, though I doubt it, people and companies sabotage other companies.
Point is there defenantly was a design defect and Samsung screwed up but it is strange we aren't hearing about it anymore and I am genuinely concerned about the note 8 and bogus claims.
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force70 said:
I beleive the layman's term is idiot proofing. Which from my experience is impossible as there is always one idiot who can find way to screw up even the best design or instructions lol
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Samsung is a very autocratic company with the top-level brass often over ruling the engineers.
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Samsung is a very autocratic company with the top-level brass often over ruling the engineers.
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Which is not unlike many companies lol.
If i had a dollar for everytime Ive had to say "I told you so" to some dumb ass executive who overuled the correct course of action which then caused issues and the company alot of money Id be a rich man.
Anybody got the old .apk of Package Disabler Pro? It updated to prevent us from blocking system updates, and starting tomorrow, Samsung is rolling out updates to limit charging to 60%!
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Anybody got the old .apk of Package Disabler Pro? It updated to prevent us from blocking system updates, and starting tomorrow, Samsung is rolling out updates to limit charging to 60%!
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Guys uninstall the old package pro and download version 6.3 from this website. They disable the urgentfwupdate from version 6.6 which will allow samsung to send updates to our phones.
http://m.apkhere.com/app/com.ospolice.packagedisablerpro
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RaymondPJR said:
Anybody got the old .apk of Package Disabler Pro? It updated to prevent us from blocking system updates, and starting tomorrow, Samsung is rolling out updates to limit charging to 60%!
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I just pre ordered on Amazon USA the 512 unlocked version... so these phones are the very pricy and fragile. Who here is getting a protection plan? and did you pick a plan to include Theft or better yet include Theft and Lost?
I personally never done a plan before, need help. I am a very heavy user with apps while on the run in many different situations. My S7 I have cracks all over even with using a Samsung flip view case, and being careful. Just sometimes cement gets in the way hehe.
From my research I am leaning towards Worth Ave, maybe Squaretrade? maybe Bestbuy?
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I just pre ordered on Amazon USA the 512 unlocked version... so these phones are the very pricy and fragile. Who here is getting a protection plan? and did you pick a plan to include Theft or better yet include Theft and Lost?
I personally never done a plan before, need help. I am a very heavy user with apps while on the run in many different situations. My S7 I have cracks all over even with using a Samsung flip view case, and being careful. Just sometimes cement gets in the way hehe.
From my research I am leaning towards Worth Ave, maybe Squaretrade? maybe Bestbuy?
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This is going to sound very ignorant....
People steal phones? And who the heck are they stealing from??? ?
Maybe I'm just naive or Uber careful with my expensive items, but I have never had a situation where my devices/items can be stolen.
I purchased the Samsung Premium Care for $11.99 when I pre-ordered.
I use Squaretrade, I actually just had to file a claim because of my S8+ screen. It was simple and quick, I will be using them again for my Note 9. Fyi I've never had a phone lost or stolen and as they do not cover that.
Jammol said:
This is going to sound very ignorant....
People steal phones? And who the heck are they stealing from??? ?
Maybe I'm just naive or Uber careful with my expensive items, but I have never had a situation where my devices/items can be stolen.
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Yea dudes sure! These phones and iphones stolen is very common. Like I said... I really am a poweruser and not just for casual surfing... I am stressed, running, in and out of car with it in my hand, in weird situations! I am VERY careful but believe me when in use under stressful work conditions and environmental conditions that are new to you almost everyday things happen that you cannot foresee.
Since I had my S7, my X left it in the bathroom at Disney! Why? because tired and stressed and running for her that day was a different distraction. We got it back luckily the next day. My friend with his iphone on Space Mountain... phone in his pocket.. but was a sudden move and flew off down into the black hole! he got it back the next day too, but damaged. For me its more work related PLUS normal related and I don't sit at a desk most the week. Somebody mentioned mowing the lawn and something snagged the cable and ripped out of his pocket the phone. Just weird stuff can happen because you aren't used to your new environment especially! plus poweruser = good luck. Drop it over the edge of the sea? Good luck! lol this piece of glass I have to keep for 2 years in my hands all day doing cartwheels??? I think I will get a lost plan too!
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Yea dudes sure! These phones and iphones stolen is very common. Like I said... I really am a poweruser and not just for casual surfing... I am stressed, running, in and out of car with it in my hand, in weird situations! I am VERY careful but believe me when in use under stressful work conditions and environmental conditions that are new to you almost everyday things happen that you cannot foresee.
Since I had my S7, my X left it in the bathroom at Disney! Why? because tired and stressed and running for her that day was a different distraction. We got it back luckily the next day. My friend with his iphone on Space Mountain... phone in his pocket.. but was a sudden move and flew off down into the black hole! he got it back the next day too, but damaged. For me its more work related PLUS normal related and I don't sit at a desk most the week. Somebody mentioned mowing the lawn and something snagged the cable and ripped out of his pocket the phone. Just weird stuff can happen because you aren't used to your new environment especially! plus poweruser = good luck. Drop it over the edge of the sea? Good luck! lol this piece of glass I have to keep for 2 years in my hands all day doing cartwheels??? I think I will get a lost plan too!
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I'm not talking about leaving it somewhere, I'm talking about them getting stolen.
No offense to anyone but I'm always conscious of where I put my things, it's part of my OCPD. Maybe that's why I don't lose my things? Don't know. To me, if you forget your things or decide to do dangerous things with your device, your fault but that's what insurance is for.
OP, have you ever lost your children or left them in a car and forgot?
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If I used my kids like I do my phone I'd be arrested
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If I used my kids like I do my phone I'd be arrested
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You don't root your kids and install custom ROMs on them?
OP (and others), some credit cards provide phone insurance. [1,2]
Not necessarily worth getting a credit card for unless you are using it for something else, or taking advantage of any available sign-up bonus, but thought I'd chime in with 'passive' insurance. I believe all of these consist on charging your monthly bill on the card, and have slightly different coverage/limitations/stipulations.
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[1] https://www.doctorofcredit.com/credit-card-cell-phone-insurance-compared-get-600-coverage-free/
[2] https://clark.com/personal-finance-...ards/credit-cards-free-cell-phone-protection/
I've been using the Worth Ave Group insurance for the past few years for my wife and I and I love them. Inexpensive coverage and absolutely stress free customer service and processing. I've had 2 screens replaced without issue at a repair center of my choosing. You go get the estimate and they send you a check minus the $75 deductible, no questions asked.
Ha, ha...come to India, get into a bus, and you will know how phones get stolen from your pocket!