Why Devs? Why? - Nexus 6 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting

So first and foremost, it is really important for me to stress how much I personally and im sure the community appreciates all the hard work devs and dev teams put forth so we may enjoy and open and awesome android. That being said there is an almost universally adopted behavior that truly baffles me and I truly wonder about it hence this thread. Why do devs spend so much time and effort to create truly amazing roms only to post them without any screenshots? This is not me being lazy and im fully aware that if i was to flash the rom i could explore it to my heart's content but seeing as to how it takes 20-25 minutes to nandroid backup, wipe, flash, setup ect only to find a rom too bloated or slim on features. Sigh... what im trying to say is I (im sure im not alone) often skip roms without screenshots and favor ones that give me a brief preview of what im about to flash. Thoughts? Comments? Concerns? Am I overlooking something obvious or are there others who feel this way?
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Please refrain from ripping me to shreds. I know this is the internet and anonymity brings out the inner D in all of us but this is a genuine inquiry and a respectful one at that.

mado309 said:
So first and foremost, it is really important for me to stress how much I personally and im sure the community appreciates all the hard work devs and dev teams put forth so we may enjoy and open and awesome android. That being said there is an almost universally adopted behavior that truly baffles me and I truly wonder about it hence this thread. Why do devs spend so much time and effort to create truly amazing roms only to post them without any screenshots? This is not me being lazy and im fully aware that if i was to flash the rom i could explore it to my heart's content but seeing as to how it takes 20-25 minutes to nandroid backup, wipe, flash, setup ect only to find a rom too bloated or slim on features. Sigh... what im trying to say is I (im sure im not alone) often skip roms without screenshots and favor ones that give me a brief preview of what im about to flash. Thoughts? Comments? Concerns? Am I overlooking something obvious or are there others who feel this way?
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Please refrain from ripping me to shreds. I know this is the internet and anonymity brings out the inner D in all of us but this is a genuine inquiry and a respectful one at that.
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Well it's the Devs choice. So it's not something I would complain about but I do completely understand

XxCyberHackerxX said:
Well it's the Devs choice. So it's not something I would complain about but I do completely understand
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oh I know it is and believe me its not a complaint as much as
a) I wanted to make them aware how many more downloads they would get with this small inclusion
b) I never understood why its overlooked although its probably both the easiest (compared to coding) and most influential factor in a rom's success (beyond you know actually working)

mado309 said:
So first and foremost, it is really important for me to stress how much I personally and im sure the community appreciates all the hard work devs and dev teams put forth so we may enjoy and open and awesome android. That being said there is an almost universally adopted behavior that truly baffles me and I truly wonder about it hence this thread. Why do devs spend so much time and effort to create truly amazing roms only to post them without any screenshots? This is not me being lazy and im fully aware that if i was to flash the rom i could explore it to my heart's content but seeing as to how it takes 20-25 minutes to nandroid backup, wipe, flash, setup ect only to find a rom too bloated or slim on features. Sigh... what im trying to say is I (im sure im not alone) often skip roms without screenshots and favor ones that give me a brief preview of what im about to flash. Thoughts? Comments? Concerns? Am I overlooking something obvious or are there others who feel this way?
* ps
Please refrain from ripping me to shreds. I know this is the internet and anonymity brings out the inner D in all of us but this is a genuine inquiry and a respectful one at that.
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ha, ripping you to shreds
well, most nexus roms are based on aosp, and most nexus roms do not add theming, so the far majority of custom roms will look relatively the same. only a rom that also adds a theme willl look different. and they are the ones that usually add screenshots. comprendo?

simms22 said:
ha, ripping you to shreds
well, most nexus roms are based on aosp, and most nexus roms do not add theming, so the far majority of custom roms will look relatively the same. only a rom that also adds a theme willl look different. and they are the ones that usually add screenshots. comprendo?
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That makes infinite amounts of sense! Thank You!

mado309 said:
That makes infinite amounts of sense! Thank You!
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youre welcome. ive had similar questions before, on older nexus devices. it just seems pointless to add in a screenshot or two, if its the same. but, if there is theming, then it makes sense to add a few screenshots. but the great thing about a nexus, we can add in themes after flashing the rom, and our choices

I think where a rom is heavily themed, then yes, screenshots are a must. I really don't see the.point wasting time with screenshots when a rom isn't themed though. They all look the same in that case. Features are best listed, using words.
Edit.. Probably should have read the thread first.

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Interesting debate - lifted for the wider audience

Guys, this was a response to a post from me and my subsequent response to it posted in the XannyTech ROM thread. I thought it would be best to open this to a wider community as I am sure many feel as I do, but are unsure how to better the operation as it currently stands.
As I specify at the end of the post, I am definitely NOT attacking the chefs, just trying to get the best possible solution for the vast majority of people and giving my reasoning behind it.
dafunk2 said:
Mate, I don't agree with you.
I know that these are things told and told again.....but:
- Did you install additional software?
- Did you try to uninstall any additional software?
- Did you try to do an Hard Reset?
- Did you do an Hard Reset after Flashing?
- Did you try to re-flash the rom?
- Did you try to download again the rom?
You can see by other people's feedbacks that this rom is probably the best, performing and stable one, and you cannot of sure tell that this rom is "bits and pieces untested in it", because the cooker and his team of betatesters of course cannot test anything under ANY circumsance and ANY configuration and ANY additional software installed and ANY...and ANY...and ANY....
I feel to tell you these few words because I don't like who don't respect other's hard work. Did you noticed how many releases is Xanny doing? And every release is better then the last...so if you are experiencing problems or probably bugs, please give respect to the cooker and explain in a civil and constructive way wich the bugs are, and you can be sure that the cooker will fix as soon as possible.
Keep in mind that the rom MUST be valued "nude and crude" like the cooker post it, and not after installed a miriad of sofwares in it.
Maybe it's not your case.......
.....but I'm bored to see stupid posts like your.
Escuse me in advance if I'm too "direct" with you, I respect anyone that respect other people.
Ciao from Italy
dafunk
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OK, firstly I take no offence to you being direct - it's sometimes the best way to be
Secondly, I have voiced my issues in a constructive and respectful manner within this thread before and many others from many other Chefs, but with little or sometimes no response.
I suppose we have to understand that:
these guys are doing this for nothing. I do!
these guys put a lot of effort and time into it - I do!
that these guys and testers cannot iron out every bug - I do!
Now,Chefs must understand a few bits and pieces also.
If they are going to cook ROM's then:
they need to be VERY precise about the issues they KNOW are resident
they need to understand that people willing to use these ROM's still want a fully functioning phone
they need to understand that fixing a bug in ROMv1 by releasing ROMv2 is all well and good, UNLESS it breaks something that was working fine in ROMv1 (often the case)
I can't emphasise enough the respect I have for these people, but I do think that we are getting more quantity than quality. There are a number of issues (see bug tracker) with some of the later ROM's which quiet frankly were broken as a result of a new recipe.....working before and broken after is breaking the golden rule of a new software release!
At the end of all this I urge people to understand what I'm saying and not take it as an attack against the Chefs as this is most definitely NOT what this is.
oh and to add, I have tried flashing via USB and flashing via SD Card, and hard resetting a number of times after flash. As for not installing any software....I'm struggling to see the relevance of that suggestion. Do you think HTC test TouchFlo3D against every piece of software developed for the platform they implement their software on to check for compatibility? No.....what they do is adhere to coding standards and practices using certified API's and the like to make sure that 99% of the time everything should be fine.
Now I'm not suggesting the same level of testing for Chefs, but what I AM saying is that if these ROM's are basically tweaked stock ROM's (which the newer Leo ROMs are now it's live) then surely the inherent testing has been done and issues should be minimal. That being the case, why are there so many posts on cooked ROM threads stating issues?
Again, not being antagonistic, just trying to point something out. I appreciate the chefs, but I still want my phone to operate.
I can just offer my noob experience, I have encountered apps made for winmo6.1 to cause problems for winmo6.5. and often times custom made mods by fellow users such as tweaks and graphics, mods to tf3d etc often causes problems, maybe not for first release, but when a new piece of software comes, like now manila 2.5 and so many new releases, what was perfect yesterday causes major bugs today.
And as far as cooking a rom, i have had such thing happened to me that when just updating one package in the rom, the whole thing will not start, just a newer version of the same app. So every new sys, every new manila edition, every new modification is very possible to cause some new conflict, noticeable or not.
I think if we want to have the latest software availible on the market, you will never have that officially, then this is the way to go, and there will always be some sort of conflicts minor or major, the good thing is chefs that are willing to work to improve, workaround fix etc, i like xanny, and miri and several others who are present in their threads and actually communicating trying to solve the issues, some just post a rom and you wont hear from them again until next release. But everything here is from free will, you chose to flash a rom you do take a risk. But we have some good backup tools and autoconfig tools so flashing is not so very timeconsuming
But i have had stockroms freeze on me, lagging and very irritable, but hey i am glad being able to have custom roms, every chef bring their own flavor to the phone, and if you dislike all you can always start cooking yourself then you can twist and turn it however you prefer
Thanks for your input - I was fearing a bit of a flame war when I posted so I'm happy that the first person to reply was a mature one
I suppose you are right from the point of view that having the latest software means that the likelihood is that it will not be officially tested and verified. I just wish that I wasn't always "waiting for the next problem" to occur.
If I was really bothered I suppose I'd go back to Stock and make do, but then I'd CAB my phone up to breaking point with tweaks! - lose lose situation perhaps
the way i look at it, we should only be using stock ROMs. Cookers then put in the time to create great ROMs for us with the features of newer devices, allowing us to get more out of our devices. They ask for little in return, so i dont really think its fair to criticise their products, because were it not for them, we'd be using just stock ROMs. Just my way of looking at it
Wiggz said:
I suppose we have to understand that:
these guys are doing this for nothing. I do!
these guys put a lot of effort and time into it - I do!
that these guys and testers cannot iron out every bug - I do!
Now,Chefs must understand a few bits and pieces also.
If they are going to cook ROM's then:
they need to be VERY precise about the issues they KNOW are resident
they need to understand that people willing to use these ROM's still want a fully functioning phone
they need to understand that fixing a bug in ROMv1 by releasing ROMv2 is all well and good, UNLESS it breaks something that was working fine in ROMv1 (often the case)
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It seems you don't really understand the 3 points you made or else you wouldn't have made this post.
No-one is forcing you to use any ROM other than stock. And telling the chefs how to make their ROMs is just stupid, it's a completely optional service that these people are providing. Why should they be "VERY precise"? It's their ROM, if you don't like it, get another one or go back to stock.
I'm pretty positive they understand we want a fully functional phone, not sure what your point is here.
If you don't like the new version of a ROM then don't upgrade, or try it then go back to the old version.
Although you say you appreciate what they're doing, you come across as ungrateful that their free service is not up to your standards...
scotland101 said:
It seems you don't really understand the 3 points you made or else you wouldn't have made this post.
No-one is forcing you to use any ROM other than stock. And telling the chefs how to make their ROMs is just stupid, it's a completely optional service that these people are doing. Why should they be "VERY precise"? It's their ROM, if you don't like it, get another one.
Although you say you appreciate what their doing, you come across as ungrateful that their free service is not up to your standards...
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I appreciate your point, and I can wholeheartedly see how my points could be perceived as aggressive towards chefs.
However, what I am trying to say is that whilst I understand I "don't need to use" these ROMs...why would anyone go to the time and effort to create a ROM if:
they didn't want people to use them, and
they didn't want it to be the best ROM out there with the fewest issues
I am simply saying that a few chefs are content with spewing out ROM after ROM without actually realising that people would prefer a recent-ish build release which was stable, and fast over a brand new ROM which was buggy.
personal opinion
Everyone must know that what these guys are doing is from their free time, and no one is forced to use their ROM`s. Who do use them, is doing that by free will. It may be that one of ROM is not that good that another, but you can go anytime to stock ROM, or the one you had before (like I did some times).
What I`m trying to say is that all we have to do is to say “thank you” to these guys who make possible that we all have a better device.
Keep up the good work and I salute you!
hehehe all very amusing, how you've made this into an issue I don't know...
chefs don't need to "understand" anything, they post it here with as much or as little description as they like!
luckily this forum is packed full of support tips faqs etc that there's really no need to ask chefs to be "very precise" and other such nonsense.
chefs can "spew" as much as they like, what the general public "prefer" is really not an issue, you are lucky that some of them reply and give you the help they do at all, in fact Xanny happens to give a lot of support for his roms and I can understand why he might feel just a little tired at some of the repetitive questions etc that get asked in his thread.
The fact the chefs reply at all should be help enough, you imply that you put "time and effort" into testing the roms...well that's lovely but it doesn't give you any extra gold stars.
This is not an attack against you, but you "need to understand" that there's nothing the chefs "need to understand" or do in order to please you or anyone else who take the time to test the roms, because noone is asking you to.
I think this pretty pointless thread has ran its purpose IMO. I believe all chef's put a lot of work into their roms and are trying to acheive the best rom, with the latest builds with no bugs. This is a hard enough task without people complaining about issues all the time which in general most chef's try to eradicate. No one wants bugs including chef's, but with newer builds appearing all the time, its inevitable you will get issues as these builds where not planned for the HD.
Think enough has been said on this subject
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Rom reviews

Hello all Chefs and Rom users, I wanted to know how would you like if someone started a thread or site where they do in depth reviews on roms,chefs,and apps for htc phones? Would you find this useful and would you be willing to post your roms on a site that does this? Would you be interested in paying for adverstisement? Would you like for a donation link to be placed in your review or section on the site? Rom users, how useful do you think this site will be? I am open to all comments and questions. Thank to all in advance.
I think that would be a great idea, especially for the people who arent sure which rom they want or what they want on a rom or the people that are new to this scene. Maybe the site could include a list of things that are included in the roms. Such as does it have the latest .net compact framwork and things like that. Also it could be broken down into which roms would be best for which versions of the rhodium. Like T-mobile, at&t, sprint, verizon. And there could be a rating system letting users rate the roms. Just a few ideas to throw at you.
Someone tried one of these threads here. I don't think it was useful at all.
My suggestion to noobs is this. Rather than learn about flashing different ROMs, learn how to quickly and efficiently backup and restore your device. Once you got it all down to about 15-30minutes, you can flash every single ROM out there and see for yourself which is right for you.
ohyeahar said:
Someone tried one of these threads here. I don't think it was useful at all.
My suggestion to noobs is this. Rather than learn about flashing different ROMs, learn how to quickly and efficiently backup and restore your device. Once you got it all down to about 15-30minutes, you can flash every single ROM out there and see for yourself which is right for you.
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yeah i second this. The key thing about roms is that they differ in appeal for one person to the next. Most roms these days are nice and fast (certainly faster than stock) and so the additional factors may involve apps included, graphics and other features and although these are listed within the chefs thread as screenshots and lists, you only really know a rom is right for you once its in your hands and personally test-driven!
Agreed, it would be good to have an objective list of features of all current roms and comments of them in one place, however the info is already out there leaving the rest of the work up to the user!
ohyeahar said:
Someone tried one of these threads here. I don't think it was useful at all.
My suggestion to noobs is this. Rather than learn about flashing different ROMs, learn how to quickly and efficiently backup and restore your device. Once you got it all down to about 15-30minutes, you can flash every single ROM out there and see for yourself which is right for you.
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I agree... With a UC cable ROM, a PC registry editor (CeRegistry, MobileRegistryEditor) and maybe SDConfig Builder along with PIM Backup I have it automated down to about 10 minutes...
i like it
as i have been flashing roms since the release of the original htc touch and have owned and flashed, hacked, and optimized just about every smartphone that has came out in america and some that havent, i consider myself a veteran and even i like to sometimes see how people feel about certain roms before trying them, i might be looking for a rom that does a specific thing very well and sometimes would like to know those strengths by reading about them first. thats just me, i dont think it would be a bad idea
antdawg702 said:
as i have been flashing roms since the release of the original htc touch and have owned and flashed, hacked, and optimized just about every smartphone that has came out in america and some that havent, i consider myself a veteran and even i like to sometimes see how people feel about certain roms before trying them, i might be looking for a rom that does a specific thing very well and sometimes would like to know those strengths by reading about them first. thats just me, i dont think it would be a bad idea
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I know what you mean. And I understand the intentions of everyone who starts one of these threads. But consider this:
-There are new ROM chefs popping up all the time.
-New releases of ROMs with multiple flavors are literally coming at a daily rate.
Who's going to keep track of all the chefs? Each chef may also release multiple ROMs. Who's going to keep track of all the ROM versions?
It's an impossible task, unless each chef voluntarily goes to a common thread to post about their own work. But frankly, I would rather the chef not waste their time doing that. I would rather them allocate their time to their ROM development.
Probably no one is going to argue that a review thread is a bad idea. It's a great idea in theory. But it just doesn't work in practice.
Why have a thread, wasn't he talking about a site akin to having a profile, like some kind of social networking site where each chef is regitered and releases their ROMS there?
ROMS can be reviewed, i.e. comments , requests etc
geejayoh said:
Why have a thread, wasn't he talking about a site akin to having a profile, like some kind of social networking site where each chef is regitered and releases their ROMS there?
ROMS can be reviewed, i.e. comments , requests etc
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Haha, this social networking site you're referring to exists. It's here at this forum! Each ROM thread is a profile. Each chef is registered here and the ROMs are released here. Users are free to review, comment, and make requests in the threads
Not a bad idea
antdawg702 said:
as i have been flashing roms since the release of the original htc touch and have owned and flashed, hacked, and optimized just about every smartphone that has came out in america and some that havent, i consider myself a veteran and even i like to sometimes see how people feel about certain roms before trying them, i might be looking for a rom that does a specific thing very well and sometimes would like to know those strengths by reading about them first. thats just me, i dont think it would be a bad idea
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I am in the same boat I flash roms all the time, and love this forum, It would be nice to have an alternate way to read about rom,chefs,apps,Htc phones,rumors.
Something that goes more in depth.
not a social networking site
geejayoh said:
Why have a thread, wasn't he talking about a site akin to having a profile, like some kind of social networking site where each chef is regitered and releases their ROMS there?
ROMS can be reviewed, i.e. comments , requests etc
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I am talking about a site,not really a social networking site, because that will just grow too huge and make it hard for some users to be able to get the info they are looking for. I am thinking more like a blog. Where you can search info and find different articles. There would be polls on roms. The rom may be reviewed with general info and people can leave comments. I just think it may be a way to narrow down this info for users to easily get to. Some are intimidated by huge sites. The site will have other info ,but will also lean more towards roms and chefs. The site would benefit rom users and chefs.
cant cover all roms
ohyeahar said:
I know what you mean. And I understand the intentions of everyone who starts one of these threads. But consider this:
-There are new ROM chefs popping up all the time.
-New releases of ROMs with multiple flavors are literally coming at a daily rate.
Who's going to keep track of all the chefs? Each chef may also release multiple ROMs. Who's going to keep track of all the ROM versions?
It's an impossible task, unless each chef voluntarily goes to a common thread to post about their own work. But frankly, I would rather the chef not waste their time doing that. I would rather them allocate their time to their ROM development.
Probably no one is going to argue that a review thread is a bad idea. It's a great idea in theory. But it just doesn't work in practice.
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The site would not cover all roms,but would try to cover major releases and maybe the roms of chefs who want to link there roms to the site.
Thank You
Thank You to all who participated in this poll. Anyone who have not participated yet can still participate. It seems most members would enjoy a site like this one. I have updated my signature with the latest roms I am running. Thank you all!
ohyeahar said:
Haha, this social networking site you're referring to exists. It's here at this forum! Each ROM thread is a profile. Each chef is registered here and the ROMs are released here. Users are free to review, comment, and make requests in the threads
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Reading from 40 to 400+ pages of a thread just to see what the rom is about isn't something I look forward to. I would like it if they were categorized. For example, search filters for all the roms that have sense 2.1 or all the roms that have 2.5, etc. Roms that are made specifically for a carrier would also be a nice filter. I also think a really good idea would be to make a program with the purpose of benchmarking a rom just to try and test the speed of how fast the rom really is. There are many more things that can be done. I think thewingster.com is a great example of this, but it can be taken to another level to make it much easier for users. There are many roms not posted on that site, but the popular ones are there.
I agree with some of the ideas here - sometimes it's just not feasible to wade through hundreds of pages ... For those who come here maybe once a week like me, this would be a good way of getting up to date quickly and maybe some of the n00b questions wouldn't happen as a result? (even I know how to get AT&T keyboard and my country doesn't have AT&T )
Maybe an extension of the current XDA wiki? And promote the wiki a bit more on the front page. The threads as they are in the forums would still serve the same basic purpose - feedback and debate etc.
The obvious question though is "who's gonna do it?" as the information would get outdated fast, and we can't expect the cooks to do it as they do enough already. And the people in the best position to do this (ie. the hardcore guys who come here every day) may not want to.
It's an interesting idea though.
MadBeef said:
I agree with some of the ideas here - sometimes it's just not feasible to wade through hundreds of pages ... For those who come here maybe once a week like me, this would be a good way of getting up to date quickly and maybe some of the n00b questions wouldn't happen as a result? (even I know how to get AT&T keyboard and my country doesn't have AT&T )
Maybe an extension of the current XDA wiki? And promote the wiki a bit more on the front page. The threads as they are in the forums would still serve the same basic purpose - feedback and debate etc.
The obvious question though is "who's gonna do it?" as the information would get outdated fast, and we can't expect the cooks to do it as they do enough already. And the people in the best position to do this (ie. the hardcore guys who come here every day) may not want to.
It's an interesting idea though.
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The site would have to be setup where anyone can add there own review. It takes user input to grow a site.
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The site would have to be setup where anyone can add there own review. It takes user input to grow a site.
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Yeah absolutely, but there would have to be at least some form of moderation / approval / cleanup process otherwise you will just get 500 comments that are "HAW DO I GET MY NOKIA TO DO TAHT" or "I BRICKED MY PHOEN COS I DIDNT READ" or "D/Ling NOW KAKAKA!!!!11" etc. (much like some of the threads here) And then a team has to put all this in place, keep the version numbers up-to-date, put screenshots up, etc. A news feed available via RSS would be great Remember that most cooks have at least 4 different ROMs available for each device at a time. (Manila 2.1, 2.5, Titanium, AT&T dialer, WM6.5, WM6.5.1-3 etc)
Right now there must be 20 - 30 different ROMs available just for the TP2. Someone with some level of trust would need to be in charge. To quote an old phrase, "Garbage In, Garbage Out" And it would always have to be up-to-date otherwise there is no point.
Don't get me wrong it would be good to see something like this, it's a great idea. Kinda like what would happen if there was a train wreck involving the wiki and the forum haha but I think you may be underestimating the amount of work it will take.
I've often thought it would be better to have multiple threads per ROM, one for reviews, one for bugs, one for general chat, etc. Maybe even a sub-forum for each cook or each ROM.
I dunno I never said I had the answers Just throwing ideas round
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Yeah absolutely, but there would have to be at least some form of moderation / approval / cleanup process otherwise you will just get 500 comments that are "HAW DO I GET MY NOKIA TO DO TAHT" or "I BRICKED MY PHOEN COS I DIDNT READ" or "D/Ling NOW KAKAKA!!!!11" etc. (much like some of the threads here) And then a team has to put all this in place, keep the version numbers up-to-date, put screenshots up, etc. A news feed available via RSS would be great Remember that most cooks have at least 4 different ROMs available for each device at a time. (Manila 2.1, 2.5, Titanium, AT&T dialer, WM6.5, WM6.5.1-3 etc)
Right now there must be 20 - 30 different ROMs available just for the TP2. Someone with some level of trust would need to be in charge. To quote an old phrase, "Garbage In, Garbage Out" And it would always have to be up-to-date otherwise there is no point.
Don't get me wrong it would be good to see something like this, it's a great idea. Kinda like what would happen if there was a train wreck involving the wiki and the forum haha but I think you may be underestimating the amount of work it will take.
I've often thought it would be better to have multiple threads per ROM, one for reviews, one for bugs, one for general chat, etc. Maybe even a sub-forum for each cook or each ROM.
I dunno I never said I had the answers Just throwing ideas round
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Makes since thanks

Need a standardized way to compare ROMs

With hundreds (guessing) ROMs now posted for the TP2 is there a way to get a gauge on which ones are better at what things. WITHOUT LOOKING AT EVERY ROM POST. I want to upgrade from 6.1 but every post ROM I have looked at seems to have some caveat about this or that not working (GPS, MMS, etc.). Its very difficult to contrast and compare the different ROMs. Maybe we can develop a form that devs can complete when uploading a ROM to give a clear, concise, and standardized view of the features and caveats on their ROMs. This would make it much easier to decide which one to use.
Thanks to everyone that has ever posted a meaning message to this forum.
EDIT: I am not complaining about the caveats. This is about the information that we need to know about the ROMs available. I want to make an informed decision on which caveats are acceptable to me. Sorry if it reads poorly.
Yeah most cooked roms dont have near to polish of a stock rom. However, most of these guys build these roms for basically free. The "scene" is drivin by its member so if you want something done that noone else is doing you should work to make it happen yourself. Its not like your a customer and get to complain...
Good idea for sure tho.
Great
Thats a great idea I hope that it happens.
I know what you mean, and I agree with you to a certain extent. When I first came here, I was totally confused and bewildered by the number of different ROMs. There's certainly no way you can read the whole thread for each ROM, there's way too much.
I think you'll find the ROMs are a lot more stable than you think. If you want to stick with stability, I'd go with Sense (TouchFlo3D) 2.1, not 2.5. But that still gives you plenty of choice. Have a look at some screenshots, see if there's one that looks nice to you and seems to contain the features you need, try flashing it and see how you go. If you don't like it, you can easily change and flash a different one.
Or another approach is to look at the threads which seem the most "popular" and try one of those, banking on there being a lot of people to help you, in the same situation, and that "so many people" can't be wrong ?
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Yeah most cooked roms dont have near to polish of a stock rom. However, most of these guys build these roms for basically free. The "scene" is drivin by its member so if you want something done that noone else is doing you should work to make it happen yourself. Its not like your a customer and get to complain...
Good idea for sure tho.
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Whoo Dude... back off. Im not complaining about anyones work. Nor am I knocking ANY of the work done here. This is simply a feeler to see if the cooks would be up to it standardizing the info about their work and if its a good idea or not. Notice I said "Maybe WE can develop...", that includes me.
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I think u right there. The cooks are done a fantastic jobs their to provide us with such amount of their free time and fabulous ROMS. However, each cook choose a different orientation for their ROM, i mean some want to have max free mem, others go for esthetics, etc etc.
It would be nice if we can have a sort of specs (hmmm well i hope u get the idea here) that we can check to know which type of ROM it is, which is working or not and so on and so on.
If I created a list (word or excel) of all features and functions of the TP2 then had the cooks complete them for the ROMs and send them to me. I could then compile them all into a database that would display ROMs side by side with a feature list checkbox table. (No sense making the cooks do alot of initial data entry... that stuff sucks. ) We could then make direct comparisons of each one. All they would need to do is keep me updated with the latest ROM info and I can keep the DB updated. Once the feature list is stabilized I could turn on the feature where they could be able to update the info themselves.
I don't mind doing the development of this if the cooks are up for this idea. I can't cook a ROM but I can code a db/website.

What's your opinions?

G1 Owners, what are your favorite ROMs to use, and why? Interested in what people think.
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G1 Owners, what are your favorite ROMs to use, and why? Interested in what people think.
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Wow! What an open ended question.
Reference
Three cupcake roms
Fourteen Donut roms
Fourteen Eclair roms
Twelve Hero/SenseUI roms (with 1.5 - Donut)
Ten Hero/SenseUI roms with (2.1 - Eclair)
Three Blur roms (with 1.5 - Donut)
So we have a total of (pulling up calculator app) 56 different roms. And what was the question you were asking? Oh yeah... which one is our favorite? What kind of answer are you expecting? Do you want speed? Stability? Working bluetooth? Working Wi-Fi? Required DeathSPL? Required sdcard partitioning? Asking such a question is going to give you mixed results with very biased opinions. My advice is to first flash Amon_Ra's recovery, use nandroid to backup what you have and try some out for yourself. Make sure that you read the requirements for each rom first. I seriously doubt that anyone has tried all 50+ roms so any answer that you receive from such a question is going to be very biased. If you want my opinion though and I'm assuming that you do I suggest using a rom made by Cyanogen. Which one depends on your setup. If you want to run a fairly stable Eclair rom you can try test2 but be warned that it requires the DeathSPL which has been known to brick phones. Most Hero/SenseUI roms(with the exception of Micro Hero (1.5 - Donut)) require the DeathSPL rom as well and I believe that all 2.0 and 2.1 - Eclair roms require it too. However note that most Hero roms don't have working bluetooth on the G1. So you have a great user interface but you sacrifice a little bit of sdcard space and a working bluetooth connection. Plus the risk of bricking your phone is a turnoff for some newbies. So if you don't want to risk bricking your phone and have a hard time following instructions then I would skip that particular SPL and stick with that one that you have (assuming that you don't already have it of course.)
Now some roms require a properly partitioned SD card. That is FAT/ext 2/3 or 4/Swap. This is most Hero/SenseUI roms. Some may require ext3 while others may require something different. So again... you'll have to read up on the requirements and experiment for yourself.
You don't want to flash the Danger SPL and don't feel like reformating your SDCARD with separate partitions? Well... looks like your stuck with very few options. Less than half if I calculated accurately. So I guess it boils down to what you have now, what you are willing to do to experiment, what you want in regards to functionality versus stability.
Good luck.
He wants to know which one YOU like. He's not asking for a suggestion. He's not asking for links to ones. He's not asking which one is fastest. He's not asking which one is most stable. He's not asking how to do it. He's not asking where to get them.
You had a very good start:
which one is our favorite?
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then you went to this:
What kind of answer are you expecting? Do you want speed? Stability? Working bluetooth? Working Wi-Fi? Required DeathSPL? Required sdcard partitioning? Asking such a question is going to give you mixed results with very biased opinions.
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Wtf? He wants to know what you like and why. Not what every ROM does and which is the best. Not trying to be a ass about it. Sorry if I came off as such. That just blew my mind.
My favorite ROM? Dr. Cloverdale's Eclair/Donut. I've been having problems with the Eclair, so I'm sitting with donut for now. And I like it because it's got all the goodness of cyanogen but a smexified theme.
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He wants to know which one YOU like. He's not asking for a suggestion. He's not asking for links to ones. He's not asking which one is fastest. He's not asking which one is most stable. He's not asking how to do it. He's not asking where to get them.
You had a very good start:
then you went to this:
Wtf? He wants to know what you like and why. Not what every ROM does and which is the best. Not trying to be a ass about it. Sorry if I came off as such. That just blew my mind.
My favorite ROM? Dr. Cloverdale's Eclair/Donut. I've been having problems with the Eclair, so I'm sitting with donut for now. And I like it because it's got all the goodness of cyanogen but a smexified theme.
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My point to this is that what is your favorite is not necessarily going to be mine. I prefer Cyanogen's rom, but clearly your preference differs. Which is exactly my point. And all this is going to mean absolutely nothing to him unless he actually tries them for himself. So how can one measure the best rom? Doesn't everybody have different taste? Doesn't everybody run different amount of screen with a variety of apps and widgets? No one is the same so asking for "the best" or even "What do you use?" is actually kind of a rhetorical question because in the end it's up to him to try the ones that interest him and all of our comments and suggestions mean nothing. What if everyone replies "Use Cyanogen's 5.0.7 rom" and the OP doesn't have the DangerSPL and doesn't want to risk bricking his device? What if he uses Wi-Fi and bluetooth constantly? What if he just has a 512mb class 2 sdcard? Does he want a large variety of themes or is he comfortable with the stock look?
Since we don't know how can we really give proper input? And you don't need to look far to know what other people use. Just look at the Development thread. The thread with the most input should tell you something right there. I honestly wouldn't trust a rom that has been out for a a couple months with no updates and only a couple pages of replies. However commonly used roms such as Cyanogen's, MLIGNS, bbuchacher, HTCCLay, dwang, manup456, KiNgxKxlicK, etc all have reputations of being very good roms. Some are great for eye candy, some are great for stability, others for speed.
Indeed he asked for our opinion and what we use... but the fact of the matter is that new roms are released/updated almost daily. So to suggest one today may not be a fair suggestion tomorrow. And if the OP just wants to know what we use and doesn't like suggestions... then this post is kind of useless in my opinion because that's all he's going to get.
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My point to this is that what is your favorite is not necessarily going to be mine.
... And if the OP just wants to know what we use and doesn't like suggestions... then this post is kind of useless in my opinion because that's all he's going to get.
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I am so with Binary100100 on this one. I see at least 1-2 new "favorite" or "best" rom threads every day. I think that starting thread like that should grounds for an instant ban.
Interested in what people think.
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The OP is asking what your favorite ROM is and why. He's not asking what to use OR a suggestion!
I'm going to break this down nice and easy.
]My point to this is that what is your favorite is not necessarily going to be mine.
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THAT'S WHY HE'S ASKING FOR YOUR FAVORITE, NOT MINE OR WHAT HIS SHOULD BE!
I prefer Cyanogen's rom, but clearly your preference differs. Which is exactly my point.
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Which is exactly why your post partially lacks meaning. OP wants to know everyone's favorite. Each individual users favorite. Get it?
And all this is going to mean absolutely nothing to him unless he actually tries them for himself.
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Wtf? He's just asking what your favorite ROM is. He probably has his own favorite.
So how can one measure the best rom? Doesn't everybody have different taste? Doesn't everybody run different amount of screen with a variety of apps and widgets? No one is the same so asking for "the best" or even "What do you use?" is actually kind of a rhetorical question because in the end it's up to him to try the ones that interest him and all of our comments and suggestions mean nothing.
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HE NEVER ASKED FOR BEST! He asked for YOUR FAVORITE!
"What do you use?" Is not a rhetorical question at all. I use cyanogenmod. It's simple as that.
Since we don't know how can we really give proper input?
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Wtf? You don't know what your favorite ROM is? How, bro?
And you don't need to look far to know what other people use. Just look at the Development thread. The thread with the most input should tell you something right there.
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This is true. =] This actually shows that this thread is somewhat pointless.
Indeed he asked for our opinion and what we use... but the fact of the matter is that new roms are released/updated almost daily. So to suggest one today may not be a fair suggestion tomorrow. And if the OP just wants to know what we use and doesn't like suggestions... then this post is kind of useless in my opinion because that's all he's going to get.
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This is true. BUT THIS IS WHAT HE WANTS! Useless or not, the whole point is that he never even mentioned a suggestion or close to it.
borodin1 said:
I am so with Binary100100 on this one. I see at least 1-2 new "favorite" or "best" rom threads every day. I think that starting thread like that should grounds for an instant ban.
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I'm with borodin that new ROMs come almost everyday, but narrow it down to a branch or two. You really generally have 1 or 2 favorite branches. Mine is cyanogenmod and Dr. Cloverdale's (which is just cyanogenmod). So my favorite ROM is cyanogen. Sure today it's test3 and in a week it will be test4, but that won't change the fact that cyanogenmod is still made by cyanogen. Either way, I'll still use cyanogen.
This would be better in General. This isn't exactly a Q&A. Would that have made it better for both of you?
I mean seriously, when your friend asks you what your favorite soda is, do you sit there and try to explain to him that what what you like isn't going to apply to him because he might like a small amount of sugar and you like a lot of sugar?
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The OP is asking what your favorite ROM is and why. He's not asking what to use OR a suggestion!
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Exactly. It's just a fun, curiosity thread. I'm curious where the trends are going. Why all the angst and hatred? You don't want me going to another thread with tales of bigotry and all-around asshattery, do you?
Don't get your blood pressure up over it, I'm just simply curious how people prioritize, expanding my horizons.
Didn't expect to have to kick off my own thread, but here goes. I like the new version of Cyanogen. It's fast, as stable as I can tell, no force crashes in my experience, and my battery doesn't really drain any worse than it did before.
Hehe, this thread might as well have asked "Who are the high strung a holes around this forum?" because that's the answer I got.
I am sorry if this was misplaced. I'm still getting used to the organization of this forum, being a new member and all, just trying to soak up as much information as I can from others. The ones that are generous enough to allow it, that is.
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Exactly. It's just a fun, curiosity thread. I'm curious where the trends are going. Why all the angst and hatred? You don't want me going to another thread with tales of bigotry and all-around asshattery, do you?
Don't get your blood pressure up over it, I'm just simply curious how people prioritize, expanding my horizons.
Didn't expect to have to kick off my own thread, but here goes. I like the new version of Cyanogen. It's fast, as stable as I can tell, no force crashes in my experience, and my battery doesn't really drain any worse than it did before.
Hehe, this thread might as well have asked "Who are the high strung a holes around this forum?" because that's the answer I got.
I am sorry if this was misplaced. I'm still getting used to the organization of this forum, being a new member and all, just trying to soak up as much information as I can from others. The ones that are generous enough to allow it, that is.
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This PROBABLY would have fit better in General, but here isn't as bad as nubs flooding the Android Development section with questions. Plus, you're new. All forums are different with the way that the consider sub-forums should be used. It's all in experience.
I agree, when I first read I was like, wtf? Did they even read the TITLE or just click and post?
My favorite is cyanogenmod as well (now). I honestly like the donut more, though. Donut just seems to be more snappy and stable and ANY Eclair. Maybe Eclair will eventually evolve, which I believe it will, and then it will be an everydayer, but I don't see that as of now.
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This PROBABLY would have fit better in General, but here isn't as bad as nubs flooding the Android Development section with questions. Plus, you're new. All forums are different with the way that the consider sub-forums should be used. It's all in experience.
I agree, when I first read I was like, wtf? Did they even read the TITLE or just click and post?
My favorite is cyanogenmod as well (now). I honestly like the donut more, though. Donut just seems to be more snappy and stable and ANY Eclair. Maybe Eclair will eventually evolve, which I believe it will, and then it will be an everydayer, but I don't see that as of now.
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Yeah, it does get a little old maintaining a test/experimental build if I don't have time to live in my PC chair.
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Yeah, it does get a little old maintaining a test/experimental build if I don't have time to live in my PC chair.
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Very true. Once it's stable it will be awesome, though.

[Q] Which is the best rom for the cappy?

I'm starting this post as a guide for people trying new roms, I thought of asking which rom are you using right now, but that would be a popularity contest.
I've been an android user for a while, but I'm new with the cappy, as a new owner, I didn't know which rom is the best rom around, so far I've tried at least 5 (firefly, darky, apex, stock 2.1, stock 2.2) But I don't wanna say which one I'm using right now cause I don't wanna influence the results of this post.
So, I'm Gonna post all roms I've see and ask the users what you think, please, after voting, talk about your experiences with the roms you've been using, I feel this could help choosing a rom for every new owner.
If I'm leaving a rom out, please let me know and I'll post it.
If you are a developer and you don't wanna see your rom here, please let me know via PM it and I'll remove it.
Alright, I've tried to edit the poll but as it turns out, only moderators can edit polls, so, please, I'll try to contact a moderator to include other roms in the poll, but I don't wanna bug a moderator for every single rom, so, If you guys be so kind, which other roms would you like to see here?
So far I only have one suggestion from xhozt to add victory, I would like to add at least other 5 roms. Suggestions?
This is a bad idea. First off its a matter of opinion and secondly all the dev work hard on their roms, how is it fair to say one is better than the other?
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This is a bad idea. First off its a matter of opinion and secondly all the dev work hard on their roms, how is it fair to say one is better than the other?
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Yes, as choosing a phone its a matter of opinion, and yes, not all roms work the same and they don't have the same performance, are you implying cause they are working hard on their roms they shouldn't be rated?
What you are saying its like saying movies shouldn't be rated cause people work on them.
We should have an honest poll an opinion for guidence, this shouldn't mean we are disregarding other people works, I support all developers, but as a person, I believe some roms I've tried are better than others. The posts I've seen have not helped me making a decision on a particular rom, so far all have been trial an error. Not every rom is perfect, but some are better than others.
On a final note, Its just a poll, I'm just asking people around, if this polls were more extensive, I would ask more questions as memory managment, multitasking performace, etc. But I can only ask one question.
Lol thats different. We are talking about community dev's spending their part time working on projects. Don't know you shouldn't compare or rate.
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I'm starting this post as a guide for people trying new roms, I thought of asking which rom are you using right now, but that would be a popularity contest.
I've been an android user for a while, but I'm new with the cappy, as a new owner, I didn't know which rom is the best rom around, so far I've tried at least 5 (firefly, darky, apex, stock 2.1, stock 2.2) But I don't wanna say which one I'm using right now cause I don't wanna influence the results of this post.
So, I'm Gonna post all roms I've see and ask the users what you think, please, after voting, talk about your experiences with the roms you've been using, I feel this could help choosing a rom for every new owner.
If I'm leaving a rom out, please let me know and I'll post it.
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can we get victory added ?
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can we get victory added ?
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Sure thing buddy, I'm trying to edit the poll but I cant find where is that option
It is a bad idea only because it has been tried before and failed. Best rom threads are locked because every user has differences in what they like, as well as how their phone reacts to the rom. A search next time could show how many of these threads, including the last rom poll are locked.
Just so you know, you can't edit the poll once it has been created.
Glitch kernel let me OC to 1.4!
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Lol thats different. We are talking about community dev's spending their part time working on projects. Don't know you shouldn't compare or rate.
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I still believe work can be rated, but I'm not rating individual works, Im asking for people's opinion, if a developer has something to say about it, and want their rom removed, I would gladly remove it. I won't do it cause you don't think is right, this is a free site last time a checked.
Another one of these??
No thanks. Closed.

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