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So I just recently (a few months ago) figured out what rooting was and what you were capable of after doing so, and I have a new found love for my G1. However, I still want something new, because device-wise, I want something thinner. The G1 just isn't cutting it for me anymore.
I am looking into the Behold 2 and thinking about getting it tomorrow. Does anyone know if this phone is going to be an easy phone to root? I don't like what Samsung did to the UI (i.e., the "cube" and the QuickAccess buttons along the bottom that are ALWAYS there, taking up screen space) and figured, it would be an awesome phone if I was able to root it and put a new ROM on there.
Any info back on this would be greatly appreciated guys!
Thank you!
um no. The behold runs it's own OS. No way to ever put anything android on it, let alone "root" it. I don't even think samsung does updates on their own OSs. What you get is what you're going to have until you switch to a far superior phone.. like say the G1 also Android has some pretty slim phone coming out in the near future, are you under some sort of time restraint?
http://theunlockr.com/2009/11/18/how-to-root-your-samsung-behold-2-samsung-galaxy-in-one-click/
You might want to search more up on rooting the behold 2, I just googled that and it was the first thing i found.
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um no. The behold runs it's own OS. No way to ever put anything android on it, let alone "root" it. I don't even think samsung does updates on their own OSs. What you get is what you're going to have until you switch to a far superior phone.. like say the G1 also Android has some pretty slim phone coming out in the near future, are you under some sort of time restraint?
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The Behold II is running Android, it's just customized like the Sense UI on the Hero.
dam it's going to be hard to get this shoe out of my mouth lol :O you know it's getting late when you fail @ google
nice save Anartic.
edit: and some of the "other" devices i spoke of pdadb.net / android 1.6 devices and of course the behold II is listed heh
If I were you, I would try and hold off a bit... lots of good ones coming out/already out that will be more customizable than that. Stick to HTC devices, since in turn you will have this community. As well, you will have far superior quality and reliability in the long run. Samsung makes some good phones, but you lose this community.
i know next year there will probably be some good devices coming out, but i don't want to wait. that's the problem. and even so, i have many friends who work in t-mobile retail stores so i always get the discount even if i'm not eligible.
it all depends on how much i can get the behold 2 for tomorrow. my friend already told me he would get me the mytouch for 149.99. if i was to get the behold 2 i'm thinking it would be the 199.99 price that current tmobile customers are eligible for. if its the 229.99 price, then i most likely wont get it and will get the mytouch.
but overall, i like the look of the behold 2 more than any of the current offerings from tmobile. my g1 runs good with cyans 4.2.5 rom.. its the fastest yet and getting better all the time. but the battery life is just damn awful and i can't deal with that anymore. and not to mention the behold 2 has a 5mp cam with flash. and that's something drawing me towards that phone. and also the 320MB RAM
I've never been a fan of samsungs.. all that graphical jazz gets in the way of usability imo.
Quite apart from that, I would be lost without my familiar bootloader/recovery system. It would be like losing a limb after all these years.
i have the behold 2 and the UI is terrible, really hurts usability. i'll write more details later, but i'll be flashing to stock android first opportunity i get.
Your basically exchanging a 1rst generation android phone, for another 1rst generation android phone that is running 1.5 (maybe 1.6, I can't recall). I would just wait man.... I really dont think a camera on a phone is more important. Why not wait a few months and get a stellar phone with a bigger processor and android 2.0. I really think it's a bad move on your part.
I took back the Behold II today and exchanged it for a myTouch. I had it for one day. Which shows you what I think about it.
Don't do it. I was in the same situation as you, I had the g1 since day one and got tired of it (and it's bulkiness), except that I switched to the Pre (which was good, but not Android) and gave my G1 away. I was with a dumbphone for a couple of months. So even though I plan on getting the Xperia X10, I couldn't live without a smartphone any longer..
But the Behold II is not a good phone. The UI changes are MAJOR. I know that they don't look major, before I got the phone I thought that the "touchwiz interface" was just the stupid cube. Don't use the cube, it's that simple right? Wrong. The entire screen is from the perspective that you are "inside the cube". So when you change screens, there is an animation of the cube moving. And it's not a simple "camera trick", because you can see your widgets moving as if they are on a 3D surface. It's kinda sorta cool, but it VERY LAGGY too....
This is the laggiest phone I've ever owned. You know how sometimes your G1 will be a little laggy when you bring up the app drawer? Well the Behold II does this every time. That's the worst thing, and why if I was Samsung I wouldn't have released the phone. Quite frankly, for the engineers it is embarrassing. I would be embarrassed to release this phone.
I'm cool with Android skinning... but they do more than just skin it. They have replaced most of the major applications (contacts, music, photos) with their own.... and what's crazy is that they are all worse than the android apps. Contacts can only be searched by first name... the music player is just awful, you can't get back to the main screen by bringing up the menu...
On all of the apps, when you bring up the menu, the buttons don't have icons. That doesn't hurt usability but it does show that Samsung didn't even want to pay designers to draw icons. It shows how little effort they put into this phone. It seems obvious that they didn't want to pay google for their apps so they made bad alternatives.
What this has done for me is open my eyes and make me realize how much I like stock android UI. It's really quite lovely once you're accustomed to it. I got the myTouch (which i'm loving so far) with the plan of still getting the Xperia X10... but I might not now. Not because the myTouch is so awesome, it is a 1gen phone after all.. but because I don't know if I want to leave stock android again.
Anyways, if you want another 1st gen android device, they are many good choices but the Behold II is not one of them. It'll will make me think twice about buying a Samsung product in the future because they obviously put no effort into this device other than to put their branding into it.
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Your basically exchanging a 1rst generation android phone, for another 1rst generation android phone that is running 1.5 (maybe 1.6, I can't recall). I would just wait man.... I really dont think a camera on a phone is more important. Why not wait a few months and get a stellar phone with a bigger processor and android 2.0. I really think it's a bad move on your part.
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it's 1.5 and won't get 1.6 even. samsung has no intent to upgrade this phone, ever.
And the camera, in my limited time, wasn't as great as advertised. Well, there are many reviewers out there who are more experts than I when it comes to camera, so I will take their word... but when I took pictures I had the same "shacky camera" problem that is typical of cell phone pictures.
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it's 1.5 and won't get 1.6 even. samsung has no intent to upgrade this phone, ever.
And the camera, in my limited time, wasn't as great as advertised. Well, there are many reviewers out there who are more experts than I when it comes to camera, so I will take their word... but when I took pictures I had the same "shacky camera" problem that is typical of cell phone pictures.
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gotta agree here, im a long time samsung instinct owner(origional&S30) both were awful including the custom Ui.Upgrades always made other features broken, but now im a proud G1 owner w/cyan mod.
Just thought of a couple of others things. I buy my music from lala.com (great great service, highly recommended) and when I put my mp3s on the Behold II they all came up as "unknown" artist. I assumed there was something wrong with the mp3 tags and thought of maybe contacting lala and asking why they have bad tags... but then when I exchanged the Behold II and got the myTouch, the tags are just fine on the same mp3 files. So the Samsung mp3 player doesn't recognize these artist tags for some reason, who knows why. Terrible.
Also, the home screen UI doesn't "snap" in place. So you can literally stack widgets/icons on top of each other. For a neat freak like me, getting everything "in line" is annoyingly difficult.
Not everything is bad. The virtual keyboard was pretty good, maybe even better than stock android. But overall the phone is flat-out embarrassing. I will never buy another Samsung phone, ever.
Also, the GPS is awful. I only had it for a day, but Maps was never able to locate me. Ever. After I got the myTouch, it locked me in on the drive home.
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it's 1.5 and won't get 1.6 even. samsung has no intent to upgrade this phone, ever.
And the camera, in my limited time, wasn't as great as advertised. Well, there are many reviewers out there who are more experts than I when it comes to camera, so I will take their word... but when I took pictures I had the same "shacky camera" problem that is typical of cell phone pictures.
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umm actually you're wrong. they have stated that it will be upgraded to 2.0
Hey, I'm new here, and also new to smartphones. I was told to read up on this site to learn more about them. I bought a Behold II a couple days ago and its awesome. Now I realize its my first smartphone, so its probably in actuality not as awesome as I think it is, however I have spent plenty of time playing around with my friend's G1, and also a lot of time with the Cliq. So while this is this is the first I've ever owned, its not my first smartphone experience.
As for mateo2, its unfortunate that you had all those problems with the phone, but I've had it for about 5 days now and have not experienced all the problems you did. For instance, the app drawer has yet to lag in the 5 days that I've owned the phone. The home screens however do lag for about the first 5 seconds after you wake the phone up. This can be an annoyance to some, but it really is only about 5 seconds or so, and then its gone. I mean I can live with it.
Also, I disagree about the music player, I think it is much nicer than stock Android, the only problem is that the cover art doesn't transfer. It does on some, but on most it doesn't. So, hopefully there will be an update soon to fix that. I'm not quite sure what you're talking about with not being able to get back to the main screen by pressing menu. If you mean the home screen of the phone just hit home. If you mean the main screen of the music player you just swipe left or right.
Also, as someone else has said you are misinformed about the update, it will get updated to 2.0. Samsung has the update ready and is waiting on Tmobile to release it. It is mentioned in passing in the review or preview by Cnet I believe.
Contacts can only be searched by first name which may be an annoyance to some, but not really to me.
Also, the keyboard is much better than the stock Android's I have used. Some people have reported a lag that can be fixed by turning off the vibration feedback, I haven't had it lag noticeably yet though. The keyboard IS difficult to use in portrait mode however, so someone might want to get a keyboard replacement because of that. I only find that its difficult when I'm trying to do other things at the same time, like drive, so I'm going to keep the keyboard so I don't text and drive anymore lol.
The camera is the best I've seen on a phone. Better than the Behold my girlfriend has, better picture than the iPhone that my friend has (although not as quick), better than the Droid (from the short time I had with it, and also from reviews that I've seen of it). The flash can be too bright at times, but some time with the camera and you figure out how to work it properly and the pictures are really quite amazing for a phone.
If anyone has any questions I'd be happy to answer them the best I can. Like I said earlier, I'm not as smart as you guys when it comes to these devices so you might ask me something that I have no idea how to answer haha. But, I plan on reading around this forum over the next couple of weeks to expand my knowledge. Hopefully it works, and I can root the thing without breaking it
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Hey, I'm new here, and also new to smartphones. I was told to read up on this site to learn more about them. I bought a Behold II a couple days ago and its awesome. Now I realize its my first smartphone, so its probably in actuality not as awesome as I think it is, however I have spent plenty of time playing around with my friend's G1, and also a lot of time with the Cliq. So while this is this is the first I've ever owned, its not my first smartphone experience.
As for mateo2, its unfortunate that you had all those problems with the phone, but I've had it for about 5 days now and have not experienced all the problems you did. For instance, the app drawer has yet to lag in the 5 days that I've owned the phone. The home screens however do lag for about the first 5 seconds after you wake the phone up. This can be an annoyance to some, but it really is only about 5 seconds or so, and then its gone. I mean I can live with it.
Also, I disagree about the music player, I think it is much nicer than stock Android, the only problem is that the cover art doesn't transfer. It does on some, but on most it doesn't. So, hopefully there will be an update soon to fix that. I'm not quite sure what you're talking about with not being able to get back to the main screen by pressing menu. If you mean the home screen of the phone just hit home. If you mean the main screen of the music player you just swipe left or right.
Also, as someone else has said you are misinformed about the update, it will get updated to 2.0. Samsung has the update ready and is waiting on Tmobile to release it. It is mentioned in passing in the review or preview by Cnet I believe.
Contacts can only be searched by first name which may be an annoyance to some, but not really to me.
Also, the keyboard is much better than the stock Android's I have used. Some people have reported a lag that can be fixed by turning off the vibration feedback, I haven't had it lag noticeably yet though. The keyboard IS difficult to use in portrait mode however, so someone might want to get a keyboard replacement because of that. I only find that its difficult when I'm trying to do other things at the same time, like drive, so I'm going to keep the keyboard so I don't text and drive anymore lol.
The camera is the best I've seen on a phone. Better than the Behold my girlfriend has, better picture than the iPhone that my friend has (although not as quick), better than the Droid (from the short time I had with it, and also from reviews that I've seen of it). The flash can be too bright at times, but some time with the camera and you figure out how to work it properly and the pictures are really quite amazing for a phone.
If anyone has any questions I'd be happy to answer them the best I can. Like I said earlier, I'm not as smart as you guys when it comes to these devices so you might ask me something that I have no idea how to answer haha. But, I plan on reading around this forum over the next couple of weeks to expand my knowledge. Hopefully it works, and I can root the thing without breaking it
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well put man. i've had this phone since the day it came out, so, i guess a week now. and i'm liking it. it has taken some getting use to after having a G1 for over a year, but i am very glad i made this purchase and not the mytouch. the mytouch is great, but its missing things that this phone doesn't have. one of these days, hopefully soon, there will be a hack to where we can root this phone without it getting rid of the root at startup, because as of right now, that is what is happening. samsung has put a pretty tough security lock on this phone. hopefully someone can crack it soon.
So you guys have had the HD7 for a while now. I know it has bugs at the moment. Its to be expected as the OS is still new.
But would you buy it if you knew what you knew now?
Yes, most certainly. Loving WP7 completely. In terms of hardware, the size of the screen is the deal maker for me. But a surprisingly nice addition is the kick stand, which is both effective, useful and invokes an 'oooh that's cool' from people I show the phone to.
I did buy it, then I returned it.
And got an Omnia 7.
May I ask why?
Absolutley I would, yes, there are are few niggles but this is version 1 of the software and a brand new device FFS. Apple are STILL having problems withe the iphone 4 even now (alarms cannot deal with move to GMT from BST for example). With WP7 you are buying into one of the most promising new mobile phone OS's of recent times IMHO, with the HD7 in particular, you are getting a cool big screen device from a company that has built up a good name for itself in the industry. I currently own the HTC Desire and the HTC HD7. I will be keeping the Desire only until the Kindle app and HTML5/ Flash land for WP7, then that will go on Ebay.
My only fear is that because MS decided to launch without one or two features (Flash/ CutnPaste and turn by turn Nav) it will get hammered by the critics in the tech press and be stillborn. This would be a tragedy - the more competition there is in the smartphone space the better for the consumer.
I also hope the handset manufacturers give it the attention it deserves, recent reports on build quality issues with the HTC Trophy do not bode well
That's a conclusive argument
I'm mainly after one as I'm a software developer and I'm interested in the app platform. Looks good. I will go get one today
Ive had mine a day and love it. Was running andoird on my HD2 previously and loved that. But I love the HD7 more. Ye the app market isnt as large as the other major two OS but I can live with that and times will change.
I had an iphone last year and once you get over the intiial hysteria of having millions of useless apps to download and amuse yourself with its not so important.
Ive not had any bugs with the HD7 yet. What issues have people come across.
My only gripe is that Im stuck with crappy Vodafone until 2012
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Sure, I loved it in the first 2 days but these 4 main reasons cropped up:
1. The phone would crash/lockup, it did this about 6 times in the week I had it.
2.The hard buttons (on/off, volume, camera) had NO click to them, they were completely soft, so I ended up pressing them all the time by accident, I launched the camera so many times when just holding the phone.
3.The case I was sold with it from the O2 store actually marked the back of it. ( a Leather one with a strap you pull to get it out, don't buy it)
4. I had huge doubts about the overall quality of the device, I really really don't think it would last for 18 months.
I understand 1 (possibly) and 3 were not the fault of the actual device but after issues 2 and 4 cropped up I just decided to return it and got a Omnia 7 instead.
So far for me the Omnia 7 is much better, seems much more higher build quality and its made from metal, the buttons have a nice satisfying click to them, and the screen is just gorgeous, aswell as it being much faster at loading apps and games.
The only reason I took the HD7 over the Omnia 7 in the first place was the double storage but that's not worth the trade off for me.
Oh Yes!!
Having bought an iPhone when they first came out and then giving it to one of our engineers within a week (he thought all his birthdays had come at once!) as deemed useless for true functionality compared with WM6. And then enjoyed my Touch HD I was in eager anticipation of the HD7.
Absolutely love it
Good OS - and looking forward to the updates
Brilliant device - everybody that sees it drools over it and rushes to renew their contract
I have been using email on my mobiles for years and have to say that the HD7 is by far the most brilliant device for actually 'doing business' on the move - big & bright and cool to use
Edit: Forgot to mention - the Office Hub is a 'killer': Was at a presentation yesterday with 2min before I stood up and realised I needed info from a spreadsheet which I thought was on my HD7 (but wasn't) - it took me 30secs to get it! - try doing that with an Android or iPhone...
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The only issue I have so far is the battery life but I've only done a couple of charges so hopefully that will improve.
It's early days for me but at the moment I am happier than I thought I would be. I'm trying Zune pass at the moment and really liking it. Maybe I didn't need the 16GB after all.
I though about the Omnia 7 but didn't want another 18/24 month contract and the PAYG prices being thrown around were a lot more expensive. Plus, I couldn't actually find anyone selling it on PAYG!
Had it for a bit now, had a few bugs happen, but I would not change it for any other phone out there.
Omnia 7 is a 100% no go for me because of the 8gb memory, I only have about 500meg left on my HD7 and will be ugrading to 32gb asap.
Im still not convinced in AMOLED screens, the colours never look right to me and the edges arnt smooth (looking at my sisters and aunts desires) The look stunning, but they dont look real if that makes sence? I would have loved to have an SLCD in it though. But to be honest the HD7 screen looks fantastic because I have the backlight on 100% all the time.
Battery life isnt that bad, it could be better, but it IS better than my HD2's was.
Biggest niggle is bluetooth audio streaming of music doesnt seem to be as high as quality as my HD2s theres everso slight distortion on high notes. Not that noticable, but enough to niggle me.
Once the updates start to roll out its going to be an incredible device.
Im wondering if an update will be rolled out when the US launch happens? why else would it be delayed? or at least im hoping the promised 60 xbox live that were supposed to be available at launch will be availble at the american launch.
Overall best phone I have ever used, the user experiance is fantastic, its just so nice to use every day, and that completely overruls any niggles I have had, which no doubt will be sorted very soon.
Had mine unlocked for 24h now and just learning the OS but what i'm seeing is fantastic! I've come from a HD2 where as soon as i got it i flashed a custom rom then ran adroid on it for ages but now i could never go back even after 24h!!!
there are a few niggles, coming from android where you had settings for everything there does seem to be a real lack of options just the basics to to get you through, i also cant see how to add a picture to a contact who isnt on my facebook?????
i agree with whats been posted before, this OS has the potential to be the best one out there it just needs to grow.
I've had mine for 2 weeks now and love it! Yes some things are missing and there are a few bugs in the OS, but I'm willing to persiverre because what it does give it does really well.
I had an HD2 with Energy's custome roms for a year now and I am so over HTC Sense (I used earlier versions on my Diamond and Orbit too)and now the "new" HTC apps looks very dated amongst the WP7 Metro apps.
Email, something I could not really get working very well on my HD2, runs like a dream on WP7 and I'm turning into a sick email junkie (help!).
As for the screen, everyone keeps knocking this phone in favour of the Samsung, but in reality, the screen on the HD7 is better than the HD2 and can hold it's own. Might not look as good next to a Samsung, but who cares? Are you going to hold an HD7 and Samsung next to each other 24/7? No? Then you won't notice the difference.
Is the email better on the WP7 than Android. The email on Android drove me up the wall with its bugs and weird behaviour. I have seen a few people on this thread mention positively the email so I am hopeful.
Yes, without a doubt, sure it has a few bugs that Microsoft can fix, but these will not stop me loving this device, never going back to an iPhone again, I'll be sticking to Windows Phone or Android devices from here on in, I had the 3GS then the iPhone 4 and now it's on Ebay as I got bored with it
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Is the email better on the WP7 than Android.
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You can pinch and zoom with HTML email which is fantastically useful, and keeps the email as the sender intended. From my understanding (Neowin WP7 vs Android Communication Comparison) Android doesn't do this.
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You can pinch and zoom with HTML email which is fantastically useful, and keeps the email as the sender intended. From my understanding (Neowin WP7 vs Android Communication Comparison) Android doesn't do this.
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The main problems I had with Android was that I often had issues setting up POP email accounts on it. Also could behave oddly when picking up messages, I used to get phantom messages or it would not pick them up correctly or in some cases at all.
oh yes i would, though tbh i would of sold my fish tank and got it on payg and unlocked it as o2 contract prices are so steep and the coverage i not as good as tmobile (not sure if this is the same everywhere but around where i live its the case). I will be honest if it wasn't for the fact all other devices are only 8gb i would not have gone for the hd7 but rather the omnia but there is no way i can live with 8gb. The only annoying thing is that when i'm playing games i sometimes touch the search button esp if i have the phone plugged in at the time due to the way i then have to hold it, but if you press back it goes right back to where you left off.
in conclusion it was not my phone of choice but my hand was forced by the internal storage but i am glad it was, the omnia is no better and my second choice mozart seems cheap and to smiler to my old desire. I love the size of the phone i was worried when i first saw it but the shape is like nothing i have ever seen and make it slip into the pocket easier then my old desire and yet i get all that screen.
Quick question guys. Does the HD7 not have a flash? I thought it does.
Yes, the HD7 has a dual LED flash (at least mine does!)
I've gotten a couple of offers on the marketplace thread. I just look at it as too big of a downgrade. What do you guys think? I love android and miss it, but I had a captivate and the gps and lack of support from samsung just killed it for me. I want an inspire 4g but I'm not sure when it comes out. Also, do you guys think I have a better shot at trading the iPhone for an inspire, or the n1 for an inspire? Thanks
I find myself wanting an iPhone 4 some days. The camera is, man, so so good. And nothing ever goes wrong with it. I don't need to worry about ROMs and Kernels and Radios to get great battery life, or reception. It's the small things in Android that upset me.
The iPhone 4 has tons of apps etc, you know what the iPhone 4 has and doesn't when compared to the Nexus. I think moving from Android to an iPhone, I would miss the widgets the most. I depend on the news widgets!
As for trading, I'd say your iPhone 4 will haul in more cash than the Nexus. It definitely will actually. The average price of a used nexy, assuming it's a t-mobile, is around $300-400 I think, depending on condition.
Depending on the GB of your iPhone, you could get up to $450. Just check the internet, ebay, craigslist, the marketplace here, to get an idea of the price you could sell it for!
I think more people are looking for iPhone 4s than Nexus Ones.
I suggest waiting a few months, as there are some great phones, including 4g phones like you mentioned, that are coming out soon! 20 on AT&T alone. I think Verizon has more planned to release, but I dont remember...
Thanks, youre opinion is highly appreciated.
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I find myself wanting an iPhone 4 some days. The camera is, man, so so good. And nothing ever goes wrong with it. I don't need to worry about ROMs and Kernels and Radios to get great battery life, or reception. It's the small things in Android that upset me.
The iPhone 4 has tons of apps etc, you know what the iPhone 4 has and doesn't when compared to the Nexus. I think moving from Android to an iPhone, I would miss the widgets the most. I depend on the news widgets!
As for trading, I'd say your iPhone 4 will haul in more cash than the Nexus. It definitely will actually. The average price of a used nexy, assuming it's a t-mobile, is around $300-400 I think, depending on condition.
Depending on the GB of your iPhone, you could get up to $450. Just check the internet, ebay, craigslist, the marketplace here, to get an idea of the price you could sell it for!
I think more people are looking for iPhone 4s than Nexus Ones.
I suggest waiting a few months, as there are some great phones, including 4g phones like you mentioned, that are coming out soon! 20 on AT&T alone. I think Verizon has more planned to release, but I dont remember...
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well the iPhone 4 is one sexy looking phone i agree. But I find myself wanna do more with my phone rather getting attached with the computer. iOS depends a lot on iTunes and I seriously hate using iTunes. iOS devices are so similar to each other that makes me think WHY do people keep buying the same thing when they have already gotten one? for example : WHen i have an iPhone, I don't think i need the iPod becuz it's just a downgrade for me. I don't think i wanna buy an iPad when i already got the iPhone either even though the iPad does have larger screen but to a bigger view, They're all the same. In my opinion, I'd rather have devices that don't look or operate as one another so i can find the usefulness of each device.
Ive had 4 Androids, I have an N1 and i4 right now, if I had to choose only one to keep, Id keep my iPhone4. Mainly because of all of the software bugs Ive experienced through all of my Androids, my Vibrant was the last straw, that phone was worthless, it made me hate Samsung, Android, and TMobile (yes I realize i4 is made of a ton of samsung parts). My i4 works everytime I want to use it, it doesnt randomly reboot, it doesnt send text messages to random contacts, it doesnt even have a "force close" option or anything like it. It doesnt freeze (you cant take out the battery, now thats confidence!!, Hell I had to pull the battery at least a few times per week on every Android Ive ever owned.
Main Pros for the N1 over the i4 are:
1.Larger screen (although not wider, so not a complete "Pro" for N1)
2.Adobe Flash (honestly I dont miss it, Skyfire browser is very accomodating)
3.Free tethering (this one's a biggie, more like a "hugie")
4.Customizations (root/desktop/widgets- I have missed some settings shortcuts but thats really it, ive rooted the g1 and N1 and messed with roms extensively and frankly, I dont miss it, its nice to just enjoy my phone),
5.Maybe I just dont know how to do this on my iphone, but the N1, and Android generally from what I know can use cell towers to determine location, and its pretty accurate, you can use the maps and most location based apps (for finding stores and such near you) without actually turning on GPS (iphone is a hassle because you must turn on GPS for anything using your location)
Main Pros for iPhone are:
1. Hi resolution; I had no idea how great this screen was until I owned it, I saw my friends' and thought it was nice but now I realize its incredible, it makes all Androids look fuzzy, its 960x640 while no Android is over 824(roughly)x480. I could never go back to 800x480 after enjoying this i4 screen
2. Its fast, not necessarily faster than the N1, but it never lags and it doesnt freeze, that consistency makes it more enjoyable in my opinion.
3. iTunes- Ive come to prefer buying these files from iTunes rather than downloading and putting on Android; ios and itunes is just very integrated which I found that I prefer
4. The keyboard is fu***ng awesome, the screen is slightly wider but it makes a big difference in portrait typing, along with the much better keyboard (invisible, predictive auto resize)
5. Apps, every app does something, they all work, even if they are kind of dumcb. They all look and feel integrated with ios
6. Battery, it charges faster and lasts longer
7. the copy/text and cursor placement is just a pleasure
Other:
I havent used the Android Market in over a year, theres just no point. I do download apps but only when I know exactly what I want. I never look through the Market, because not only is it not well organized, 99% of Android apps are either useless, worthless, broken, or malicious. The Android Market is beyond awful
One thing I found wonderful on my iPhone 4 was that it flawlessly synced my Google contacts along with my contact pics, and it synced and integrated my google and yahoo email accounts.
The biggest thing I miss is Google Maps/Navigation, it is an incredible resource. I would literally pay $200 to have Google Maps just like it is on Android, along with its frequent updates. I bought TomTom for $50 and its good but Google maps is better
The second biggest thing I miss is Google Voice to text, its phenomenally accurate and there is nothing on ios that is comparable to its ease and accuracy
I like my iPhone 4, It has fewer features, but I kind of enjoy not taking my phone out all the time
i've always used the mentality that the android is more for a techy and iphone for someone who doesnt really care and just wants a cool phone. I have a N1 and my friends have the iphone4. I find myself winning the battles of "can your phone do this...". I have 5 different Roms ready to be flashed on my SD Card, i go through them often depending on what version i feel like playing with. I am a developer so i make my own custom apps, and with app inventor made by google it makes it extremely easy for mere mortal to create apps now. Wow...
Personally i have never had these issues with my N1 about rebooting, kernels, roms, battery life... all of those things are extra and not necessary, but they are fun to mess with. I also agree the more people are looking for the iphone4. Its popular, android is fairly new still and people don't like taking chances typically. Why would someone pay a lot of money for a phone that is not the most popular phone...
I assure you though, either decision you make, you will not be disappointed. This many people can't be wrong about each device.
Recovering flashaholic, recently went back to original Galaxy Nexus so I could avoid renewing with Verizon, on an old grandfathered (true unlimited) plan.
Missing a QWERTY and looking at picking up a used Droid 4. What are your thoughts, is the radio stable for tethering?
DNak206 said:
Recovering flashaholic, recently went back to original Galaxy Nexus so I could avoid renewing with Verizon, on an old grandfathered (true unlimited) plan.
Missing a QWERTY and looking at picking up a used Droid 4. What are your thoughts, is the radio stable for tethering?
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If you miss a qwerty you'll love the D4. Keyboard is great and CM11 has made me fall in love with my phone all over again. The only thing to really complain about is battery life. When I'm home on wifi I can make it through a day. Otherwise plan on charging it at least once during the day. Unless you pick up the extended battery that FINALLY came out about a month or so ago. Tethering has worked fine for me the few times I've used it.
Droid 4 - CM11
I just bought a used d-4 to replace my old d-4 mainly because i wore some of the keys off after 2.5 yrs. I could have used my upgrade for a fancy new device but I am sticking with the d-4 . Of course 2 weeks after I purchased it, the promise of a d-5 came out. But who knows how long we will really be waiting for the d-5. / extended battery??????? Whaaaaaat... I will have to check that out. My batt does last a full day with medium use.
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I just bought a used d-4 to replace my old d-4 mainly because i wore some of the keys off after 2.5 yrs. I could have used my upgrade for a fancy new device but I am sticking with the d-4 . Of course 2 weeks after I purchased it, the promise of a d-5 came out. But who knows how long we will really be waiting for the d-5. / extended battery??????? Whaaaaaat... I will have to check that out. My batt does last a full day with medium use.
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I think the biggest reason my battery doesn't normally last a day is because I have such a crappy data connection at work. Always switching between 2 bars of 3G or 1 bar of 4G. See the thread here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2541577 for more info and links regarding the extended battery.
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I think the biggest reason my battery doesn't normally last a day is because I have such a crappy data connection at work. Always switching between 2 bars of 3G or 1 bar of 4G. See the thread here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2541577 for more info and links regarding the extended battery.
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Good info, thank you both! I'm assuming rooting and all that is simple enough, I would probably root and stick with STOCK unless CM11 is really worthwhile. Any major bugs/flaws w/ this guy?
I've been running stargos cm11 since release and honestly it is almost flawless. He has been constantly updating and fixing wakelocks, along with other minor issues. Stock is.... well I was happy to get rid of all the bloatware crap and have my phone run faster. As for rooting and such, extremely easy.
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I LOVE QWERTY Phones. I bought a used Droid 4 recently because the keys were falling off my old droid 2 and I didn't want to lose my unlimited data plan with Verizon. I have been going between Stock/CM11 and now SlimKat using SafeStrap so you can essentially dual boot your phone and keep the Stock rom there to always load as a failsafe.
I had waited 3-4 months for the possibility of a droid 5, and then almost went for the new Nexus 5 phone but of course Google had to release it for every carrier EXCEPT Verizon. Lame.
My phone MUST have a QWERTY keyboard. Likewise, I probably won't upgrade for another several years, since QWERTY phones seem to be dead, nowadays. I'm sticking with my Droid 4 until the community gives up on it, or it explodes.
I absolutely believe that it's worth it. I can type with the same speed and precision as I can on a regular computer keyboard, and I prefer that over relying on auto-correct, auto-fill, word prediction, or many of the other replacements for letter-by-letter typing. How I type on a computer - syntax, spelling, lack of shorthand - is how I type on a phone, and I'd prefer to keep it that way. I'm of the mindset that phone manufacturers have sacrificed the keyboard for a slimmer phone, and come out with virtual keyboards that try to emulate what was already there in the past.
EDIT: I would like to point out that the custom ROMs aren't perfect. They can be used as daily drivers, but MMS is a hit-or-miss (working on some uptimes, and not working on other uptimes), GPS works at random, and you'll experience the Sleep of Death more than a few times. Typically, if you have Touch Sounds enabled on your phone, and you suddenly hear the sound "die", you do NOT want to turn off the phone's screen or do anything involving media playback - if you do, you won't be able to turn it back on without doing a hard reset. Just reset until the sound works, again - of course, then you'll need to make sure that MMS works with that specific reboot. A good way to test that would be to send an MMS to somebody; if it sends, it works. If not, you'll need to reset the phone until it does, keeping in mind the (common) sound bug, as well. GPS is the same; if it works on a specific uptime, it'll work for the duration of that uptime.
If you're willing to put up with these three rather annoying bugs, the features of the custom ROMs more than make up for it. I'd choose CyanogenMod over Stock any day of the week.
Hi,
So, currently I am using iPhone Xs and I feel this is the right time to make a switch to an android phone.
I have been using IOS since last 7 years, I update my phone every year with the latest apple offering.
I have used android(galaxy S5 it was I guess) for a brief period of time and to be honest hated it. But now what I have known after reading so much about android that it has come a long way and does most of the things better than iPhones.
Would like to know how the transition would be? As have said using iPhone since past 7 years will I find it difficult to get used to android os? has anyone else did this jump from iOS to android? Also have been reading that app quality on iOS is better than android, is that even remotely true? One thing I am really going to miss is the emoji, which on android look so alien and cartoonish.
I am really bored to death with iOS, nothing has changed in the last many years. One can’t customise it and give it a new look, other than changing he wallpaper, that too is hardly visible due to those apps. Have invested a lot on apple ecosystem but now I refuse to pay more for the basic things like ringtones. Yes, I have over 70 ringtones which I have bought from iTunes store along with many songs.
Initially Pixel 3(smaller one) was on my radar but then in few months time pixel 4 will be out so buying pixel 3 now doesn’t make sense, it also is slightly overpriced for what it offers. So, now I’m left with galaxy S10(no plus version, too big). Is it good for someone who is coming from iOS? On screen fingerprint scanner not too accurate and gives trouble unlocking the phone? Battery life on exynos?
Will be really very grateful if you guys can help me in everything which I should know before jumping to android bandwagon. Thanks!
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Hi,
So, currently I am using iPhone Xs and I feel this is the right time to make a switch to an android phone.
I have been using IOS since last 7 years, I update my phone every year with the latest apple offering.
I have used android(galaxy S5 it was I guess) for a brief period of time and to be honest hated it. But now what I have known after reading so much about android that it has come a long way and does most of the things better than iPhones.
Would like to know how the transition would be? As have said using iPhone since past 7 years will I find it difficult to get used to android os? has anyone else did this jump from iOS to android? Also have been reading that app quality on iOS is better than android, is that even remotely true? One thing I am really going to miss is the emoji, which on android look so alien and cartoonish.
I am really bored to death with iOS, nothing has changed in the last many years. One can’t customise it and give it a new look, other than changing he wallpaper, that too is hardly visible due to those apps. Have invested a lot on apple ecosystem but now I refuse to pay more for the basic things like ringtones. Yes, I have over 70 ringtones which I have bought from iTunes store along with many songs.
Initially Pixel 3(smaller one) was on my radar but then in few months time pixel 4 will be out so buying pixel 3 now doesn’t make sense, it also is slightly overpriced for what it offers. So, now I’m left with galaxy S10(no plus version, too big). Is it good for someone who is coming from iOS? On screen fingerprint scanner not too accurate and gives trouble unlocking the phone? Battery life on exynos?
Will be really very grateful if you guys can help me in everything which I should know before jumping to android bandwagon. Thanks!
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I normally use android, but sometimes use iPhone from time to time, just for fun. Most phone do similar things these days and I don't really think that Android will be that different as it was many years ago.
So when you buy S10(the normal version), you would be able to transfer your data via Samsung Smart Switch and most of the time the phone will ask you during the setup process. If for some reason, you weren't offered to transfer data, you can do it using aforementioned Smart Switch app/option. Samsung also puts an adapter in the box, so you can use cable to transfer data from old phone or do it over the air (your choice, but cable is faster)
App quality is getting better. For example you may/may not notice the fluidity of the apps. The scrolling of some iPhone apps might be a be smoother than Android versions. In my case, I personally don't notice it much as I do think that quality for both platforms went up.
As you mentioned above, the customization of Android is pretty much endless and it is a joy to use Every time when I put my sim into iPhone 7, I come across few issues and want to do back to Android. For example at home, I can set my Galaxy S10e to stay unlocked, but in iPhone I can't. Also in the car, I can tell my phone to not lock the device when it is connected to a Bluetooth device(car, watch, headset and so on). My phone can easily play music through 2 Bluetooth speakers simultaneously. One hand mode is also present, multi window, picture in picture is there too! I remember Samsung had 1 month trial for Apple iPhone users where they would use the phone and if didn't like, easily could return it back - don't know is they still do that. In any case, you can buy the phone from Samsung.com and you will have about 2 weeks, try it out and see.
Holysmokee said:
Hi,
So, currently I am using iPhone Xs and I feel this is the right time to make a switch to an android phone.
I have been using IOS since last 7 years, I update my phone every year with the latest apple offering.
I have used android(galaxy S5 it was I guess) for a brief period of time and to be honest hated it. But now what I have known after reading so much about android that it has come a long way and does most of the things better than iPhones.
Would like to know how the transition would be? As have said using iPhone since past 7 years will I find it difficult to get used to android os? has anyone else did this jump from iOS to android? Also have been reading that app quality on iOS is better than android, is that even remotely true? One thing I am really going to miss is the emoji, which on android look so alien and cartoonish.
I am really bored to death with iOS, nothing has changed in the last many years. One can’t customise it and give it a new look, other than changing he wallpaper, that too is hardly visible due to those apps. Have invested a lot on apple ecosystem but now I refuse to pay more for the basic things like ringtones. Yes, I have over 70 ringtones which I have bought from iTunes store along with many songs.
Initially Pixel 3(smaller one) was on my radar but then in few months time pixel 4 will be out so buying pixel 3 now doesn’t make sense, it also is slightly overpriced for what it offers. So, now I’m left with galaxy S10(no plus version, too big). Is it good for someone who is coming from iOS? On screen fingerprint scanner not too accurate and gives trouble unlocking the phone? Battery life on exynos?
Will be really very grateful if you guys can help me in everything which I should know before jumping to android bandwagon. Thanks!
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My son has been an Iphone user for years and has an S10 now.
Het went over with the S8.
I have asked him which system he preferred and he told me that 95% of the 2 systems (IOS vs Android) are identical in usage but the fact that he has so many more choices in Android makes that is his preference of choice.
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