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Can the Diamond really be recommended?

I cant help, but I am "slowly" getting more and more convinced not to buy a Diamond because of the apparent issues I continue to find.
First I found out about the display issue which is (also officially) said to happen only with too much pressure (what exactly is too much), although some reported them as well and stated to have taken care. Now it seems there is yet one more issue with the backlighting respectively the hardware itself.
Would you say I am exaggerating and those issues are normal ones which happen to some extent on all phones or is my upcoming impression right that the Diamond might be a true beta product - it's not that those issues are exactly minor ones?
Please let me know your true and objective (please no fanboyism in either way ) opinion.

all I can say is these forums get a lot more of
"I have a problem"
then
"my diamond is working fine and i would not change a thing"
happy users
1 never come here
2 try to help others

If you come to a forum where people are seeking help with their phone then unsuprisingly you are gonna find alot of people with phone problems they would like help with.
This is true for all devices from phones to cars, and will always give the impression that the device has many flaws. In the bigger picture far more people are happy with their diamond than reading here will have you think.

i believe that the diamond really is a great smartphone, (no fanboyism) and that it really delivers a great bunch of possibilities, especially when paired with xda developers it migth tend to be a little slow sometimes though. and sometimes even slower... but the first problem you described, ive never heard of before, and i do not believe you will experience this without trying to do it, or if you by accident throws a rock at the display (accident???) the second problem sounded like a flash of a custom rom gone wrong, which doesnt really have anything to do with the phone, but more with the person behind the phone
these 2 problems that you talk about seems like some that only happens if you doesnt take a little care of your phone, and i do not believe that these should make you worry about getting a diamond. but you might want to consider buying a diamond2 instead, since its about to get released

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Thanks for all your responses so far, of course the argument of complainers being louder is valid, but I suppose I am particularly worried here because the two mentioned issues seem to be quite common - among the complainers at least - and seem to be rather major issues and not like a minor one such as a buggy software.
Hojlind said:
but the first problem you described, ive never heard of before, and i do not believe you will experience this without trying to do it, or if you by accident throws a rock at the display (accident???)
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Usually I am not using rocks , but there are also quite a few in the mentioned thread who have stated to never have mistreated the display. Of course its not easy to verify this claim but I have to admit it makes me worry.
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the second problem sounded like a flash of a custom rom gone wrong, which doesnt really have anything to do with the phone, but more with the person behind the phone
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I'd have assumed that too, however it doesnt seem to have taken place immediately after flashing but a few days later and a few even mentioned it happened without any flashing at all.
Hojlind said:
these 2 problems that you talk about seems like some that only happens if you doesnt take a little care of your phone, and i do not believe that these should make you worry about getting a diamond. but you might want to consider buying a diamond2 instead, since its about to get released
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What attracts me particularly to the Diamond is its size. It is one of the smallest Windows Mobile phones available. The Diamond 2 is already noticeable larger and so I'd then opt for the HD right away.

I've had so many devices I can't remember how many, from pocket pc's to the diamond I've just been randomly given free, not on upgrade .. just a random gift.
First impressions - after having it for 6 hours:
Looks great, I like the candybar format, after the Vario III it's .. novel.
The screen is a vast improvement over the last generation of screens.
The camera produces usable images, the Vario III didn't. haven't tried video but the new drivers seem to be doing their job.
GPS lag has not been tested on the road but tomtom picked up a signal quickly enough.
I've not yet experienced the dropped call when answering because of the end call nonsense on the screen. If I do there is a workaround.
The Compact IV won't open a full 300mb Memory Map file, I've had to break the maps down into bite size chunks for it.
After using the vario III for a long time I've never used more than 3.5GB, despite having a 6GB card so I won't miss the lack of memory card.
I didn't use the keyboard of the other phones I used to the lack of it is welcome.
On balance, I would recommend this phone but a novice would quickly be frustrated and that's mostly down to interface quirks which you get used to after a while, and here's usually a workaround for most problems, except a duff driver.
Why the people at HTC and t-mobile don't just farm the ROM dev out to xda-dev is beyond me.
The developers here do a better job, quicker and cheaper than the bunch of talentless spods employed by the various co's who make the devices. Although, I might be being too harsh on the spods, they probably do a great job but get stymied by the suits.
Could I recommend the Diamond ? Yes.

Diamond is the best WM device I've ever used...
Mine's been bumping around in my pocket for the last 10 months, dropped a couple of times, lives in a (padded) bumbag when I'm trail riding my pushbike and generally been used rather a lot - but never abused.
In my previous job role I managed 1500 WM devices for an SME (sig...) and I can say with the absolute certainty of someone who has been there for a living that the kind of hardware failures that get reported here are almost unheard of in any WM devices that haven't been physically mistreated or had roms flashed in a hamfisted way.
Sitting down a couple of times with a touchscreen phone in the front pocket of a tight pair of trousers will always flex the device just enough for the display to fail somewhere down the line - usually long after the offender has left our employ and the device has been passed on to the next user...
Mind you I'll probably pick up a Touch Pro 2 when my contract is up for renewal...

I had one for a few months and didnt like it.
I am not remotely clued up on the technical side of things so this is very much a laymans report:
It had lots of features I liked but on the whole the phone was too much hassle and its cons outweighed its pro's. (the poor camera, the "black screen" when on the phone thing, the poor on/off button on the top, the poor lock/unlock system. But i loved the interface of the phone.
Swapped it for a LG Renoir and miss the Diamond, but they both have things the other doesnt. So I am no better off.
When will someone make the perfect phone? lol

The Diamond is excellent if you can handle it meaning you have really get into tweaking. Out of the box I would not recommend it but if you are willing improve it on your own by using the helpful programs of this forum than it's an excellent choice.

I have had several PDA phones: Sansung i700, i730, i760, HTC Mogul. Of those I loved the i760 with it's number keypad (granted it had it's issues also). Hated the Mogul (low memory issue and slow). The Diamond I consider an outstanding phone. My biggest issue is the lack of responsiveness of the screen. Takes some getting use to. I did the registry changes but didn't notice a real difference. Compared to the other PDA phones I mentioned I love the display quality, size, look, feel, and $10 internet with Sprint. Perfect phone for me. The battery life I can deal with. I have a cradle with a spare battery, a car charger and spare charger at work so I'm always prepared. By the way the battery life seems to have gotten better with the latest ROM update. I could recomend it but I always let people know of the battery issue, screen responsiveness and still having problems with time issue here in Arizona (changes by an hour every once in a while for some reason).

eurofan said:
The Diamond is excellent if you can handle it meaning you have really get into tweaking. Out of the box I would not recommend it but if you are willing improve it on your own by using the helpful programs of this forum than it's an excellent choice.
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I second that!!!
It wasn't great out of the box. But now.... I love tweaking/flashing and would recommend it to anyone.
Although, if your thinking of purchasing a diamond, personally, I would wait till the 'Touch Diamond 2' is released.

I agree with alot of the comments
Basically the HTC Diamond, or it many variants, is an excellent device (and I have had many many many devices).
What it has going for it:
1. Size
2. Weight
3. Fantastic screen
4. Looks nice and cute/good form factor
5. Well made
Issues:
6. Battery should have been bigger - not really an issue for me as I have a charger at work and home. I tend to charge every two days unless I have been using it intensly and then top up on the day (normally I top up if on 2 bars).
7. Shipped firmwares in the UK are mostly pants!
8. No card slot. Now I want to be clear about this, if you are just installing programs and/or data the 4GB storage is absolutely fine, more then enough in fact. It also is good for a small set of videos or music. However, if you want to store large amounts of music or videos then this device is not for you!
Basically, if you upgrade the Diamond after purchase to one of the more excellent ROMs on this site, it will have a beautiful display and quick response.
Also, note that, unlike something like the HTC Touch, this is a premium device. Which means it has nice touches like the stylus is held in magnetically and also, when you pull the stylus out it automatically switches the display on.
In terms of the Diamond 2 issue, that is obviously a better device, but the price will reflect it, and the HTC Diamond is now looking very good value. Personally, I like buying phones at the end of their run, as the firmware and price are the best.
Lastly, the HTC Diamond is a bit of a cult device. Why is this important ? Because it means that the support on xda-developers is much better then the less popular devices. As the HTC Diamond's price goes down, this will just increase.
best rgds

i just seriously love my diamond..the price on ebay is going down at a rapid pace n yeah..i love it bcoz of all the tweakin u can do on it..
man oh man..on which other device can u get a "not yet working" android os as well as some iphone like stuff for unlockin, music etc..n u can just about change everything thats on the phone..
tht may be coz its my first ever windows mobile phone n i was suprised by the remote desktop..use it to play poker on facebook now!! wanna view tv for uefa cup late at night..no problemo..n the autofocus camera with a beautiful vga screen adds as the biggest pro as i snap pics of my college assignments that are readable on its vga screen
i am a little disappointed with the touch screen though..cos when in remote desktop full screen, u cannot reach to the minimize, maximize n close buttons.. though u can use another software but its the touchscreen fault as the 4 corners of the screen are difficult to tap..
but overall im very satisfied n recommend it to all

The diamond rules!!! Buy one!! Buy one now :d

I just bought one cheap,don't like the diamond 2,it has no d-pad and looks a fair bit bigger.
The screen quality (colours and contrast)from what I've seen on youtube against the likes of the HD is what made me keen on it.
I have been using O2 flames for the last 2 years,so the battery life will be something I'm used to.
Hopefully it isn't like the atom life I bought and ended up selling within a week

gerryjoson said:
I just bought one cheap,don't like the diamond 2,it has no d-pad and looks a fair bit bigger.
The screen quality (colours and contrast)from what I've seen on youtube against the likes of the HD is what made me keen on it.
I have been using O2 flames for the last 2 years,so the battery life will be something I'm used to.
Hopefully it isn't like the atom life I bought and ended up selling within a week
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good luck! the quality of the diamond is much nicer then the atom.
start off on a good foot with a good rom

had a diamond sinve day 1 of orange uk launch
once flashed........a great phone.
does everything i want and more....so its gets a 10/10 from me...
if thats worth anything to you

^^^ Fanboy...
My opinion is that the Diamond is a nice attractive phone in a good size. Having said that, there are 3 major flaws:
1. Battery life
2. Speed
3. Software
The software one is the most solvable, with the number of tweaks, ROMs and free apps available here. I've supplemented that with a large amount of commercial software in order to get the best possible experience but this is of course very expensive to do properly.

Diamond is very good phone, i think you will never regret if you will buy one.
About problem on screen and presure ( i have that problem ), i think it comes because, when need to open back for sim card or for battery. To open back we need to press screen.

Had a diamond around 9 or 10 months now, considered buying an HD or a few other wannabees but any time I consider buying a new phone I just need to look @ my diamond & I remember why it's so damn good, It's looks haven't been matched or surpassed yet & the so called newer updated htc 1's/ other makes aren't that much better IMHO in performance etc... oh yeah & their all big fat bricks !!!
I'm sticking to my precious DIAMOND for a while yet thx
Oh & BTW that htc update has finally finally fixed it's biggest/ annoying bug, my diamond hasn't skipped an mp3 track since I installed it, I think I'll keep mine forever now hehehehe...

Do you regret buying your phone?

I bought mine on May last year, and boy was it a mistake. I can't believe I bought ANOTHER Windows Mobile phone, while it is a dying OS...
Too bad I didn't wait for the HTC Desire...
So yeah, Microsoft screwed me with their crappy OS.

Don't regret
I didn't regret the choice I had made. I will love Touch Diamond2 forever.
我作了这个选择并不后悔。我会永远爱我的钻石2代。

yup, i regret it. BUT I can't cry over spilled milk. i make the best of what i have and with enough tweaking and playing around with it, even a Topaz can be...half decent. my ONLY complaint? it's slightly slow. faster than stock roms...but slow in comparison to the nexus one or the desire. oh well, ill enjoy it for another year maybe and then try and get an Android device (Droid 3 then?)
cheers.

Sometimes I regret getting the TD2 especially when entering Text Messages which is unbareable slow and the occassional unresponses to Powering-on.
BTW sent an e-mail last week to HTC about said problems and they came back with "Try a hard reset" - Not at all impressed by HTC.

how do you end up questioning yourself something like that?
do not want to be involved into an endless discussion but I could not help myself not to reply with my thoughts: why is willing anybody to throu on a forum ideas like a dying OS and comparing 2 completely different devices? if you look ofr a shoulder to cry, go out and play with the friends! if you look for some oppinions do not by the judge! to not throuw sentances in vain!
by the moment you plan to change your device the "desire" will be a brik, so your choice made one year ago can prove to be perfect!
for not being misunderstood, I am not in favor or against topaz but this thrad is not bringing anything good to the forum, but only in time, make the search or other maintenance of the forum working slow. posts as love my device also do not help! maybe a betetr idea, si to open a new thread named: why will you choose topaz and why not, and there place pertinent reasons for complaints!
personally, I will never buy a device significantly bigger than topaz! I had diamnond 1 and now, because of useless hardware buttons on that model and because of bigger resolution and available memory I moved to topaz (pure). I will always prefer the dying OS as you named instead of banging my had on the wall finding a reliable navi for Android (of course, depend on the date of posing and the maps you need). the rest, like slow response, I can live with it! I mostly use the device for remote desktop and few calls and messaging. browsing for market information or just info is aslo a must and working pretty well!
hope I have made my point clear!
cheers!

I only regret not buying the touch pro2, and besides the lack of keyboard, I'm pretty happy with it.

No regrets here. It will hold me over for some time until the next "latest and greatest" device is released. It does everything I need it to do.
Granted, if I was stuck on the stock ROM, I probbaly would be sorely disappointed.

I really like the device. It's sad, that Microsoft doesn't fill up the marketplace. They seem to wait for their 7. My girlfriend just bought a Desire and I think I will stay with HTC but change to Android. She already has a lot of apps I miss on my phone.
I will use the diamond another 12 month from now, so Microsoft has a chance to convince me of Windows Phone 7. Else Android is my alternative.

at firts i regreted i had bought a TD2 not waited 3months and bought a HD2, but then i just didn't care.
now i regret i bought 2x4gb microSD cards 1 for my htc 1 for my (nokia)n81, because now i fixed audio problems and i hate carrying 2 phones around all the time(1 for music,1 for gps and web surfing and a few cool apps).
so i'm guesing tomorrow i'll regret i tried to make a sorta RC/3.5mm connector out of my htc headset

the lousy build is definitely a neg point for me
i have sweaty palms and the paintwork is all ruined
still prefer the old original diamond
managed to keep it in pristine condition despite being a yr old
wm platform is really slow though; getting online etc...
got a iphone for web surfing and email purposes instead
the only reason i'm retaining a wmm phone is for the intelligent call function(that is extremely important due to work and call volume) not available on other mobile platforms; correct me if i'm wrong...

I got an HTC Pure as a "complimentary" upgrade from AT&T, after my Incite got bit by the Netfront "trialware" fiasco. I am quite pleased with the Pure. It's screen is fantastic. I had to laugh when my buddy handed my phone to his wife to play with and then said, "she had a bad experience with her first touch screen phone. It had one of 'those' resistive screens." I think the only thing I don't like is the lack of a standard (3.5) headphone jack. It's also hard because a lot of new software is being targeted for the HD2 with it's faster processor. The larger screen would also be nice, but it's not any better resolution, and it would be (slightly) less pocketable. So, all in all I'm pleased with my device, and am very leary of WM7.

I like my PURE, and (fingers crossed) have not had to Hard Reset since I got it. WimMo6.5 has been stable, device has been basically flawless. I replaced two Tilts with this device. I am back on "shipped" ROM, just work around bloatware and load everything on my microSD card. I was concerned about not having the slideout key board, but am doing just fine without it.

I dont like lack of 3,5mm jack, flash, poooooor battery life, sluggish operation, WinMo abnormalities, direct sunlight readability... (nice form factor, resolution, gps performance, good camera...but in my case barely usable device)
Regarding move to E52/E72

Of course you regret it. In a year the technoligy is better and the new devices are better to. But for me it was the best device on that moment.
Overhere in Holland you just don't buy a phone. You sign a contract for a year or two and usually you'll get the phone for free. Now these day you have to pay up to €100 cause the devices are getting more expensive like a iPhone.
So waiting is not a option or you will lose your phone number. Or worse you forget to stop your contract in time, the phone company will extend your contract for another year or two.
Plus
Good service from HTC, they respond in your own language and really trying to help you. Just say you've done a couple of hard resets, they will sort it out for you. They've also kicked Vodafone Holland for me so that I can update my weather at location again.
Stock ROM's are working well
Nice design of the device
XDA-forum that brings me a lot of new futures. Just think about S2U2, CHT, TD2 tools. And I'm not even talking about flashing to costum ROM's
Multi tasking but that's also the minus. Everything is running on the back. Use CleanRAM
A 5mp camera
Min
Sluggish
Low battery life
WM is not that stable
My usb cable is crap, I can see the wires sticking out after 6 months of usage.

I hate my TD2 soooo much... Bought it on a 24 month contract in June last year, and within a month I was sick of the slowness and the plasticky design.
A few months later the camera stopped working completely and so HTC had to replace pretty much everything (as stated on the slip they provided).
Since then the digitizer has cracked on numerous occasions, with just a few minor impacts. I have been forced to buy and fit my own replacements since I have a good year left with this phone!
So, yes, I regret buying this handset more than any other I have ever owned.
As for Windows Mobile... What a crock of ****. A bare and dysfunctional 'app store', a slow and awkward interface and even with Sense over the top it still feels horrible.
I like HTC as a company, but the fact that within a few months they have discontinued and forgotten about your handset is not nice. If we could have got Android fully working on the TD2 it might have been bareable!
There is literally nothing about my TD2 which I like (battery life and soft keyboard are also rubbish); the initial selling points for me (design, screen, processor) have all been massively superceded.
Some of you may disagree with the points I've made, but the original post was asking for opinions and so these are mine!

I can use just about any ol' device for a phone. What I like about the Pure (and the two other WM devices I've owned) is that it's become a hobby of sorts. I like to flash it and rearrange it and play with different apps. At least until the recent court ruling that makes unlocking legal, I've always felt sorry for the poor folks who use an iPhone (my wife and daughter included) because they're just no fun. I feel like a slave to Steve Jobs when I pick one up. They're just so rigid and unlovable.
Oh, one thing I particularly like about WM is the ability to tether. I wouldn't own a phone that couldn't do that.

My Opinion
Imho, I think the topaz/pure was a great purchase for me. I ran out the day AT&T had them and got one because I was somewhat fed up with the tediousness of my raphael/fuze. Apart from a few minor issues, I think it's a great device... the 5 megapixel camera can be a halfways decent substitute to my normal cybershot when it has to, and the screen is indeed large and bright. The unfortunate part about it is that for the most part, you can't use it for serious video playing without downconverting almost anything you put on there. But that's what everyone's got their ipods for, right? XDXD

I don't regret getting it, and I am still satisfied with it, but if I was stuck with stock ROM, and did not re customize it from time to time, I am pretty sure that I would regret. It is wonderful phone and in my opinion the still best looking. That said I am switching soon to Desire.

I went thru a lot of HTC devices over the years and I did not regret a singly buy!
Of course after 1/2 year there are newer better faster devices out, but I was never disappointed by any HTC device I bought.
The only device I regret to buy was an Acer Dual Sim device that was cranky, slow, and did not work in Japan.

I dont regret getting any phone due to the research and testing before I buy them. One thing I can say is txting on resistive screens is painfull at best with my sausage fingers! saying that I had issues with my Hero aswell! the only one i didnt mind typing txt on was the iPhone!!

r u TRULY happy with captivate?

im about to take the leap to upgrade to the captivate from my tilt 2 running froyo... ive been debating between really the captivate and iphone 4. i was looking at the dell streak and waiting for the thunder but i think ive decided. please post your great experience with the phone and what you would recommend!

i'm happy, i wish it was an htc device as they have always been very solid and i love the sense ui, but with launcher pro and some tweaks this is great! i def reccomend over an iphone 4! the customization is just crazy! i can customize this more than my old blackberry, and i thought that was really good.

I say make the switch, I came from a tilt 2 as well running froyo and haven't looked back. People complain about lag on the captivate but I feel like they have never used a touch pro or touch pro 2. My biggest concern was the lack of a physical keyboard due to having trouble typing on friend's iPhones but the screen is big enough that I prefer having a slimmer phone instead of a keyboard.

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I say make the switch, I came from a tilt 2 as well running froyo and haven't looked back. People complain about lag on the captivate but I feel like they have never used a touch pro or touch pro 2. My biggest concern was the lack of a physical keyboard due to having trouble typing on friend's iPhones but the screen is big enough that I prefer having a slimmer phone instead of a keyboard.
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thanks for ur response! were u able to keep ur unlimited data plan or did u have to switch? i was reading that when texting, the keyboard takes a lot of room on the screen? hard to believe since the screen is big as it is.... and true bout coming from a touch pro/touch pro 2 bout lag... im sure its super quick! my touch pro 2 lags all the time and cant wait to see how a true smartphone should run!

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thanks for ur response! were u able to keep ur unlimited data plan or did u have to switch? i was reading that when texting, the keyboard takes a lot of room on the screen? hard to believe since the screen is big as it is.... and true bout coming from a touch pro/touch pro 2 bout lag... im sure its super quick! my touch pro 2 lags all the time and cant wait to see how a true smartphone should run!
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We get grandfathered into the unlimited plan. The keyboard does take up about half the screen when typing but I see that as a positive cause I have big hands.
Plus it's nice to finally have a phone with a 3.5mm headphone Jack. Also the app market is awesome and there are a ton of great games if you are into that.
Now we just gotta wait patiently til froyo gets officially released but to be honest I am happy with 2.1 so far, not that I don't want 2.2.

I love my captivate. I haven't experienced any of this so called lag. Watching youtube videos of droid x and others make me cringe by how laggy their devices look compared to my butter smooth captivate. I also really like the stock tw launcher better than launcher l pro. I don't get where all the hate is coming from. Its nearly identicle and works perfect.
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yea i rarely had that lag people talked about.. lol but being the bored guy i am.. i still lagfixed
i came from a blackberry as well (bold9k) it was great.. but i'm very happy with my captivate. I just hope we get more ROMs

NO!
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Waste of a post.
My wife and I are happy with our Captivates. I had a Storm and she was using a Tour 9630. I have never been a physical keyboard person so I have loved the screen and using swype. My wife is making the transition pretty well. She still wants to hunt and peck using swype but she loves what can be done on the phone. We both have lag (wakeup lag) which is what most people experience. But I just haven't but the lagfix bag on my phone. There are issues, but there are issues with every phone. Just read up in the forums with what people are experiencing and the potential fixes.

If you are worried about gps then I would wait to see if samsung actually fixes it , other wise its an very good phone , better then any other offering out for att

I love it. My boss has an iphone 4 and will be giving it to his son and buying a captivate. The only real difference IMO, is the captivates lack of a front facing camera.
Yes, GPS is kinda wonky, but I'm sure(as well as everyone else) that the Froyo update will fix it.
As far as your data plan is concerned..If you have unlimited data now, and you don't change it from unlimited, then you'll be grandfathered in and want lose it.
Hope you get one..Best phone thats been out in a while.
Captivates quicker then a TP2 as well..lol I had the T-Mobile version and would never use the AT&T version due to the lack of the top row of numbers not being there..lol
Good luck with your purchase.

The best phone out right now
I came from a iPhone 3G and it's super slow compared to the Captivate, I think the iPhone 4 is kinda slow IMO.
I do miss how easy it is to get content onto your phone through itunes, but it's a trade off. With my iPhone everything was in one place waiting for me, but I had to wait to get to my rig to put anything on it. With my Captivate I have the option to wait or download right to my phone from the internet. Also you always have album art on the iPhone, on the Captivate you have to work a little harder and still end up with a blurry mess.
No lag here, traded my first day Captivate for a post launch and it runs fine, GPS and all.

I am not really happy because of ATT **** all of their phones.. including ATT, deleting the fonts that are available on vibrant, not giving good software, instead att gave crap software... and now i am having problem with plug and play with the usb to browse my phone on a pc... my friend that has vibrant just plug and play, no worries... I HATE ATT, if you can, just go to another provider.. the galaxy phone itself is great, but att is ****ed up...

sayurann said:
I am not really happy because of ATT **** all of their phones.. including ATT, deleting the fonts that are available on vibrant, not giving good software, instead att gave crap software... and now i am having problem with plug and play with the usb to browse my phone on a pc... my friend that has vibrant just plug and play, no worries... I HATE ATT, if you can, just go to another provider.. the galaxy phone itself is great, but att is ****ed up...
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You forgot to mention they disabled the hsupa on the phone, so to give the iphone an extra feature

Besides GPS, lack of Froyo, and lack of Flash, I love it Just wish it was a little more custom ROM friendly

Well I've definitely run into some lag but I think I've just put too much stuff on there already. Certain widgets were pretty bad for performance, especially the compass widget. But coming from a Tilt2 i'm VERY happy with the Captivate.
AT&T sucks what they try to push on us but that's why we're in this forum, so we can do what we want. As far as HSUPA I've read this might actually be to prevent some problems the Galaxy S line has with HSUPA enabled. But even so I'm sure the death star was more than happy to give their precious iPhone an edge.

so what is the big problem with gps?? does it lag? doesn't find ur location? when i use google maps on my tilt 2, sometimes it cant find my location, directions are wack, it lags... the only thing that really kills me is the flash on the cam....

toawkanavngthded said:
so what is the big problem with gps?? does it lag? doesn't find ur location? when i use google maps on my tilt 2, sometimes it cant find my location, directions are wack, it lags... the only thing that really kills me is the flash on the cam....
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GPS takes a very long time to lock if it locks at all. Thats the major problem all the other problems with the captivate can be mostly fixed thru rooting and applying fixes.

i LOVE the captivate, but i have yet to use it as my primary phone for more than a few hours at a time. The GPS is worthless (i do alot of biking and like to log my trips) and the HSUPA issue it just aggravating. My iPhone uploads at 10x faster than this phone does (and my old nexus one for that reason) but i pay the same amount for data on all three phones. Totally ludicrous. Until those few features are rectified by the Geniuses over at Samsung, or the very great and helpful people here, i will continue to leave it sitting around the house as a toy, and not as a phone. I guess i just dont have the confidence in Samsung in firmware updates like i would HTC, Motorola, even Apple!
just a rant. Other than that, this phone is amazing. If i did it again i would hold off until those are fixed.

robstunner said:
i LOVE the captivate, but i have yet to use it as my primary phone for more than a few hours at a time. The GPS is worthless (i do alot of biking and like to log my trips) and the HSUPA issue it just aggravating. My iPhone uploads at 10x faster than this phone does (and my old nexus one for that reason) but i pay the same amount for data on all three phones. Totally ludicrous. Until those few features are rectified by the Geniuses over at Samsung, or the very great and helpful people here, i will continue to leave it sitting around the house as a toy, and not as a phone. I guess i just dont have the confidence in Samsung in firmware updates like i would HTC, Motorola, even Apple!
just a rant. Other than that, this phone is amazing. If i did it again i would hold off until those are fixed.
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Samsungs backing phone has been sketchy at best, I think att is to blame with the hsupa issue.

[Q] Knowing what you know, would you still buy it?

So you guys have had the HD7 for a while now. I know it has bugs at the moment. Its to be expected as the OS is still new.
But would you buy it if you knew what you knew now?

Yes, most certainly. Loving WP7 completely. In terms of hardware, the size of the screen is the deal maker for me. But a surprisingly nice addition is the kick stand, which is both effective, useful and invokes an 'oooh that's cool' from people I show the phone to.

I did buy it, then I returned it.
And got an Omnia 7.

May I ask why?

Absolutley I would, yes, there are are few niggles but this is version 1 of the software and a brand new device FFS. Apple are STILL having problems withe the iphone 4 even now (alarms cannot deal with move to GMT from BST for example). With WP7 you are buying into one of the most promising new mobile phone OS's of recent times IMHO, with the HD7 in particular, you are getting a cool big screen device from a company that has built up a good name for itself in the industry. I currently own the HTC Desire and the HTC HD7. I will be keeping the Desire only until the Kindle app and HTML5/ Flash land for WP7, then that will go on Ebay.
My only fear is that because MS decided to launch without one or two features (Flash/ CutnPaste and turn by turn Nav) it will get hammered by the critics in the tech press and be stillborn. This would be a tragedy - the more competition there is in the smartphone space the better for the consumer.
I also hope the handset manufacturers give it the attention it deserves, recent reports on build quality issues with the HTC Trophy do not bode well

That's a conclusive argument
I'm mainly after one as I'm a software developer and I'm interested in the app platform. Looks good. I will go get one today

Ive had mine a day and love it. Was running andoird on my HD2 previously and loved that. But I love the HD7 more. Ye the app market isnt as large as the other major two OS but I can live with that and times will change.
I had an iphone last year and once you get over the intiial hysteria of having millions of useless apps to download and amuse yourself with its not so important.
Ive not had any bugs with the HD7 yet. What issues have people come across.
My only gripe is that Im stuck with crappy Vodafone until 2012

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May I ask why?
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Sure, I loved it in the first 2 days but these 4 main reasons cropped up:
1. The phone would crash/lockup, it did this about 6 times in the week I had it.
2.The hard buttons (on/off, volume, camera) had NO click to them, they were completely soft, so I ended up pressing them all the time by accident, I launched the camera so many times when just holding the phone.
3.The case I was sold with it from the O2 store actually marked the back of it. ( a Leather one with a strap you pull to get it out, don't buy it)
4. I had huge doubts about the overall quality of the device, I really really don't think it would last for 18 months.
I understand 1 (possibly) and 3 were not the fault of the actual device but after issues 2 and 4 cropped up I just decided to return it and got a Omnia 7 instead.
So far for me the Omnia 7 is much better, seems much more higher build quality and its made from metal, the buttons have a nice satisfying click to them, and the screen is just gorgeous, aswell as it being much faster at loading apps and games.
The only reason I took the HD7 over the Omnia 7 in the first place was the double storage but that's not worth the trade off for me.

Oh Yes!!
Having bought an iPhone when they first came out and then giving it to one of our engineers within a week (he thought all his birthdays had come at once!) as deemed useless for true functionality compared with WM6. And then enjoyed my Touch HD I was in eager anticipation of the HD7.
Absolutely love it
Good OS - and looking forward to the updates
Brilliant device - everybody that sees it drools over it and rushes to renew their contract
I have been using email on my mobiles for years and have to say that the HD7 is by far the most brilliant device for actually 'doing business' on the move - big & bright and cool to use
Edit: Forgot to mention - the Office Hub is a 'killer': Was at a presentation yesterday with 2min before I stood up and realised I needed info from a spreadsheet which I thought was on my HD7 (but wasn't) - it took me 30secs to get it! - try doing that with an Android or iPhone...
Regards
CD (UK)

The only issue I have so far is the battery life but I've only done a couple of charges so hopefully that will improve.
It's early days for me but at the moment I am happier than I thought I would be. I'm trying Zune pass at the moment and really liking it. Maybe I didn't need the 16GB after all.
I though about the Omnia 7 but didn't want another 18/24 month contract and the PAYG prices being thrown around were a lot more expensive. Plus, I couldn't actually find anyone selling it on PAYG!

Had it for a bit now, had a few bugs happen, but I would not change it for any other phone out there.
Omnia 7 is a 100% no go for me because of the 8gb memory, I only have about 500meg left on my HD7 and will be ugrading to 32gb asap.
Im still not convinced in AMOLED screens, the colours never look right to me and the edges arnt smooth (looking at my sisters and aunts desires) The look stunning, but they dont look real if that makes sence? I would have loved to have an SLCD in it though. But to be honest the HD7 screen looks fantastic because I have the backlight on 100% all the time.
Battery life isnt that bad, it could be better, but it IS better than my HD2's was.
Biggest niggle is bluetooth audio streaming of music doesnt seem to be as high as quality as my HD2s theres everso slight distortion on high notes. Not that noticable, but enough to niggle me.
Once the updates start to roll out its going to be an incredible device.
Im wondering if an update will be rolled out when the US launch happens? why else would it be delayed? or at least im hoping the promised 60 xbox live that were supposed to be available at launch will be availble at the american launch.
Overall best phone I have ever used, the user experiance is fantastic, its just so nice to use every day, and that completely overruls any niggles I have had, which no doubt will be sorted very soon.

Had mine unlocked for 24h now and just learning the OS but what i'm seeing is fantastic! I've come from a HD2 where as soon as i got it i flashed a custom rom then ran adroid on it for ages but now i could never go back even after 24h!!!
there are a few niggles, coming from android where you had settings for everything there does seem to be a real lack of options just the basics to to get you through, i also cant see how to add a picture to a contact who isnt on my facebook?????
i agree with whats been posted before, this OS has the potential to be the best one out there it just needs to grow.

I've had mine for 2 weeks now and love it! Yes some things are missing and there are a few bugs in the OS, but I'm willing to persiverre because what it does give it does really well.
I had an HD2 with Energy's custome roms for a year now and I am so over HTC Sense (I used earlier versions on my Diamond and Orbit too)and now the "new" HTC apps looks very dated amongst the WP7 Metro apps.
Email, something I could not really get working very well on my HD2, runs like a dream on WP7 and I'm turning into a sick email junkie (help!).
As for the screen, everyone keeps knocking this phone in favour of the Samsung, but in reality, the screen on the HD7 is better than the HD2 and can hold it's own. Might not look as good next to a Samsung, but who cares? Are you going to hold an HD7 and Samsung next to each other 24/7? No? Then you won't notice the difference.

Is the email better on the WP7 than Android. The email on Android drove me up the wall with its bugs and weird behaviour. I have seen a few people on this thread mention positively the email so I am hopeful.

Yes, without a doubt, sure it has a few bugs that Microsoft can fix, but these will not stop me loving this device, never going back to an iPhone again, I'll be sticking to Windows Phone or Android devices from here on in, I had the 3GS then the iPhone 4 and now it's on Ebay as I got bored with it

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Is the email better on the WP7 than Android.
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You can pinch and zoom with HTML email which is fantastically useful, and keeps the email as the sender intended. From my understanding (Neowin WP7 vs Android Communication Comparison) Android doesn't do this.

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You can pinch and zoom with HTML email which is fantastically useful, and keeps the email as the sender intended. From my understanding (Neowin WP7 vs Android Communication Comparison) Android doesn't do this.
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The main problems I had with Android was that I often had issues setting up POP email accounts on it. Also could behave oddly when picking up messages, I used to get phantom messages or it would not pick them up correctly or in some cases at all.

oh yes i would, though tbh i would of sold my fish tank and got it on payg and unlocked it as o2 contract prices are so steep and the coverage i not as good as tmobile (not sure if this is the same everywhere but around where i live its the case). I will be honest if it wasn't for the fact all other devices are only 8gb i would not have gone for the hd7 but rather the omnia but there is no way i can live with 8gb. The only annoying thing is that when i'm playing games i sometimes touch the search button esp if i have the phone plugged in at the time due to the way i then have to hold it, but if you press back it goes right back to where you left off.
in conclusion it was not my phone of choice but my hand was forced by the internal storage but i am glad it was, the omnia is no better and my second choice mozart seems cheap and to smiler to my old desire. I love the size of the phone i was worried when i first saw it but the shape is like nothing i have ever seen and make it slip into the pocket easier then my old desire and yet i get all that screen.

Quick question guys. Does the HD7 not have a flash? I thought it does.

Yes, the HD7 has a dual LED flash (at least mine does!)

Oh Where---

Where have all the good devs gone, long time passing?
Where have all the good devs gone, long time ago?
Does this Peter, Paul, and Mary hit ring true?
With the moving on of Evil/MicroMod/Madaco/Rod/Formel/Abhi etc (sure I forgot some)
What does this spell out for the N1 future--thanks goodness for Cyanogen and MIUI devs
Just a depressing thought on a boring work day
Ken

Fits said he will still compile Gigglebread builds for the N1 even though he sold his because N1 receives the most traffic within the euroskank repository.
In fact, there is a new build out now.

Originally Posted by flipper203
so I guess you won't be providing anymore N1 build to make me jumpjump
you guess wrong...N1 traffic is still the highest out of all our kangs on the server, why stop dealing the crack?
Sorry, missed that post--good news--pulled name--sorry Fits

Seems like all rom bases are covered that can be achieved. Like you said we have AOSP, MiUi and old sense roms to choose from. I don't see anything else needed. At least we don't have a bunch of winzip devs cluttering up the place.

Agreed,
I still have nandroids of new and old sense roms and would be content to run with the nightlies till the next N1 comes out.
Haven't researched much and not AOSP savvy--so, not sure if ICS could even run on the current N1.

There are no proper Sense ROMs to choose from, only eViL's ages-old Desire port that is completely functional, all other ROMs suffer from various parts that aren't working properly or at all.
There is still AOSP, CM and MIUI.
Well, it's pity that Sense ROM developers are gone, otherwise I might still be using N1. But I guess such is life. At least MIUI has some good Sense elements to it.

I've always liked MIUI from last fall when I started flashing it. Weekly updates and always moving forward. Kinda like Cyanogen. Has gotten a little unstable for me lately. Not sure why.
Interested to see their new phone, maybe 1.5ghz
So you no longer have your N1 Jack? What did you get?
I am waiting for the big boys--4.3/5 screens and big/fast processors. Problem is only 6 months into TMO contract.
My biggest issue with N1 is typing. Screen sucks and is very unstable or my fingers are just too fat.
I do remember someone (maybe you) mentioning getting a bigger screened phone and really liking the typing on it.
Ken

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I've always liked MIUI from last fall when I started flashing it. Weekly updates and always moving forward. Kinda like Cyanogen. Has gotten a little unstable for me lately. Not sure why.
Interested to see their new phone, maybe 1.5ghz
So you no longer have your N1 Jack? What did you get?
I am waiting for the big boys--4.3/5 screens and big/fast processors. Problem is only 6 months into TMO contract.
My biggest issue with N1 is typing. Screen sucks and is very unstable or my fingers are just too fat.
I do remember someone (maybe you) mentioning getting a bigger screened phone and really liking the typing on it.
Ken
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Well the Nexus One came right at the time when touch screens weren't fully developed by HTC. even on my HD2 screen kinda sucked compare to others. Unfortunately I think we still need the qwerty keyword for heavy text usage i just wish they were android options of the dell venue pro.

rugmankc said:
I've always liked MIUI from last fall when I started flashing it. Weekly updates and always moving forward. Kinda like Cyanogen. Has gotten a little unstable for me lately. Not sure why.
Interested to see their new phone, maybe 1.5ghz
So you no longer have your N1 Jack? What did you get?
I am waiting for the big boys--4.3/5 screens and big/fast processors. Problem is only 6 months into TMO contract.
My biggest issue with N1 is typing. Screen sucks and is very unstable or my fingers are just too fat.
I do remember someone (maybe you) mentioning getting a bigger screened phone and really liking the typing on it.
Ken
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I am also excited for these new phones, although I think a 5" might be pushing it for me. I am kinda curious if the 720p+ capable screen is going to make it into a phone. Either way, I want to get a qHD screen minimum. Luckily, I only have about 6 months left on my TMO contract (then I get to decide if I want to ride it out with a possible switch to AT&T or jump ship while I still can). Here's hoping that the Nexus 3/Prime/Whatever is as good as I am hoping it will be.
As for typing, have you tried swype? Due to the way it works, fat fingers really don't affect it. It did take me a day or two to get used to it, and probably about a week until I considered myself extremely proficient. But now it drives me nuts using a regular on-screen keyboard.

rugmankc said:
I've always liked MIUI from last fall when I started flashing it. Weekly updates and always moving forward. Kinda like Cyanogen. Has gotten a little unstable for me lately. Not sure why.
Interested to see their new phone, maybe 1.5ghz
So you no longer have your N1 Jack? What did you get?
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I still have the N1, but now it's my wife's, for several months already. I convinced her to move from her old HTC Touch, and she agreed to take the Nexus. I bought myself the most cost-effective phone on the market back at the time - which was MyTouch 4G. I don't like the bulky 4"+ phones, Nexus was fine for me in size, so MT4G fits very nicely. It's a head and shoulders above Nexus in everything, but mostly - in existence of proper Sense ROMs.
Actually, since my wife complained about the crazy screen and the not-so-nice for her MIUI, I got her Desire S. She really likes Sense UI, and doesn't like MIUI. But I got unlucky - the phone is bad and needs to be replaced, so it'll be another week or two until she gets a functional one. And then I'll sell the N1.

I got a free MT4g in Feb when I changed carriers from Cincinnati Bell to TMO. Son uses it and likes it alot. I do like Sense, but as you said they are not real stable yet, but close. Evil's is good and Micro's was pretty stable for me. I did pretty well on abhi's RCADS one and loved the Weather Lockscreen. Made me just want to keep unlocking phone.

That's interesting. I got my wide the MT4G earlier this year. I really liked the phone, but for the fact that it always seemed sluggish next to my N1. I rooted it, and removed some of the bloat, but it still never felt quite as smooth as my phone - she even noticed the same, from the odd occasion that I let her use my phone...
The MT4G also had a big weakness - the inability to swim, so my wife now has a G2, which neither of us like...

That's funny DR, my son swims with it all the time--no issues--
He is happy with it--to him it is a phone and mp3 player--weather and some internet
Might add he is 30--not a kid
The N1's screen looks nicer though, when we hold them side by side and brightness is all the way up. I don't like the 4 hard keys feel as much though
Ken

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That's interesting. I got my wide the MT4G earlier this year. I really liked the phone, but for the fact that it always seemed sluggish next to my N1. I rooted it, and removed some of the bloat, but it still never felt quite as smooth as my phone - she even noticed the same, from the odd occasion that I let her use my phone...
The MT4G also had a big weakness - the inability to swim, so my wife now has a G2, which neither of us like...
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You still rocking the n1?