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To buy a Tilt or not, opinions please

Hey,
Im moving on from my trusty MDA and came apon a few decently priced At&t Tilts. Ive read over the driver issues and just wanted the opinions of some current and/or previous owners.
Just so you know, I have owned a Wing, MDA and currently a Blackjack2 and had flashed/upgraded the HTCs several times. Thats why I want to come back to an HTC device.
Thanks in advance.

go for it dude
fhaines said:
Hey,
Im moving on from my trusty MDA and came apon a few decently priced At&t Tilts. Ive read over the driver issues and just wanted the opinions of some current and/or previous owners.
Just so you know, I have owned a Wing, MDA and currently a Blackjack2 and had flashed/upgraded the HTCs several times. Thats why I want to come back to an HTC device.
Thanks in advance.
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Personally, I think it is a great phone.

I agree. Fully functional 3D drivers or not, this is still the most amazing phone on the market for price point. The only thing I would personally get above this phone is the touch pro....and that wont be for some time to come

I've had a tilt since oct 07. Wouldn't give it up for anything. Does it play 3d perfectly, no...but I didn't buy it to play movies & mp3 files. Does it have as quality camera as my old SE W810i? No, but with patience, it does pretty darn well. I got the tilt because it allowed me to replace a phone & PDA with one device. I use mobile office around 10-15 times a day, 20-30 text messages a day, the camera maybe once or twice a week, and it is without a doubt the best
device I've owned. it has it's quirks, but what device doesn't?

here hear, awesomest phone i have ever owned. I was looking for a phone i could replace my phone and pda with. it rocksas far as features. sure the graphics suck. but they get the job done in a pinch. weee it's the most technologicaly advanced phone that att has right now. I dont have to synch eight devices. i just got rid of my laptop. I use this for most everything. i have school comp labs for everything else. i thought about taking it back and waiting fr something better to come out. but. when the touch pro comes out it will cost 450 dollars with a new 2 year agreement. school stsrts before then anyways. HEY thanks you guysfor making this the coolest phone it can be with what is available. is there any feature that another phone has that this one does not. in america anyways. it is a business phone. it does just that. it will play most regular phone games out there. damn it doesnt play crysis at maximum detail. boo hoo. it is a freakin miracle these slow resricted devices can do what they do. having said that. im sure my opinion would be changed with a good foreign phone. hey and htc come on. what other company out there encourages hacking their phones by putting xda developers in their wiki. i have dropped this thing onto concrete hard twice and to my knowledge it hasnt phased it. oh and btw. i dont have a data plan for my phone. i am typing this on my tilt at panera bread on my hardware giant qwerty keyboard. this has taken me fifteen mins to write. do that iphone. do that old style 12 key phones. i just got the thing and i am typing fast on it. if you want a gaming phone this is not for you. if you want relatively long battery life when you surf the net using wifi get this phone. i am comparing the batt life to my sony clie which had first generation pda wifi in it. i have gone over an hour today surfing the web. i still have 20 pecent left and i started with like 60. my clie could only go for like 45 mins with a brand new battery with a slower processor. well panera bread is cosing and i should probably get home. but it isnt becase my pda ran outof juice. i have the oem batt btw. good night all. i hope this helps you in your quest fora new phone.

i have owned the tilt since Nov 2007 and it has been a excellent pocket pc/phone. what i really like about the phone is having the ability to flash the rom that chefs have to offer. it's nice to have options and incredible free applications out there offered by the programmer's.
i have been through four previous pocket pc phones and it's nice for once that there is everything packaged into one device. I use gps, wifi, watch movies, listen to mp3s, outlook/exchange, bluetooth etc.. i take the phone to the limits and it meets expectations.
despite the video driver problem, its not a big deal if you are really into eye candy.
if you have other questions, you can email me..
tvos

Nooo. Don't get it. I personally plan on selling my Tilt and shelling out some cash to get the AT&T Fuze (Touch Pro). It's much better. The retail pricing is only about $100-200 more then the Tilt's. So it'll retail for about $550/$650 w/o contract. =) This is a great deal compared to $1k. It's going to come out before year's end and AT&T data managers are currently testing the Fuze. It'll be out before 08 ends I can swear on it. It has a different color TF3D as we've seen. It has no front camera and an extra button for PTT. That's about it.
Guess how I got this info =)

Kraize92 said:
Nooo. Don't get it. I personally plan on selling my Tilt and shelling out some cash to get the AT&T Fuze (Touch Pro). It's much better. The retail pricing is only about $100-200 more then the Tilt's. So it'll retail for about $550/$650 w/o contract. =) This is a great deal compared to $1k. It's going to come out before year's end and AT&T data managers are currently testing the Fuze. It'll be out before 08 ends I can swear on it. It has a different color TF3D as we've seen. It has no front camera and an extra button for PTT. That's about it.
Guess how I got this info =)
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you don't know what your talking about...
get the tilt..... worse and try it out for 30 days.. if you don't like it, return it... this probably the best to offer... at least at&t give you this option.
tvos

tvos said:
you don't know what your talking about...
get the tilt..... worse and try it out for 30 days.. if you don't like it, return it... this probably the best to offer... at least at&t give you this option.
tvos
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Rofl. I know exactly what I'm talking about

I dont want to sound negative
but your posting on a Kaiser forum and asking people who own a Tilt if they advise you to get it... haha i got a feeling your gonna get around 90% yes...
the real test is to ask some guys who have a htc touch diamond or some of the other smart phones out there what they think of the Kaiser...
oh and my answer is yes... get it... with the right tweaks and a few apps to your liking, it will be the best phone you have owned (well atleast it is the best phone i have had)

I had mine since March. Pretty good phone. A tad on the heavy side. And depends on how you like to hold it, the little corner of the USB port may dig into your pinky. The AT&T bloatware are garbage but nothing you can't fix on your own. There are enough people that like it to get a constant supply of goodies.
Knowing what I know now, would I get it again? Probably.

fhaines said:
Hey,
Im moving on from my trusty MDA and came apon a few decently priced At&t Tilts. Ive read over the driver issues and just wanted the opinions of some current and/or previous owners.
Just so you know, I have owned a Wing, MDA and currently a Blackjack2 and had flashed/upgraded the HTCs several times. Thats why I want to come back to an HTC device.
Thanks in advance.
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I look for speed and stability in a PPC, and I'm sorry to say that once again I have not found it in a HTC phone. I previously had the S710. Compared to that, the TYTN-II is fast as lightning. But compared to previous Sony Ericsson and Palm phones, the TYTN-II is sloppy. Admittedly it has GPS and WI-FI, which the others did not. The stability is below what I think is reasonable to expect for a smartphone in 2008. The touchscreen and buttons are occasionally unresponsive, and normal operation is often replaced by random "irregularities". I soft reset the device some 1-3 times a week, because unexpected stuff just happens: ranging from missed calls, broken activesync, unable to connect to EDGE network, software crashes, buttons not working.
Yet I hold on to it. It sports a nice set of features, and the software for it is plentyfull. The stability and performance can be improved by careful configuration (involving a lot of trial-and-error), but be prepared to spend a lot of hours on it. If you are a "point-and-shoot" type of person, who just want a phone that works out of the box, you may be disappointed with this one.
At least this is my personoal experience with the phone. Your milage may vary!

If you're prepared to put up with what can at times be an annoyingly slow user interface, then I don't see why not. The feature-set is excellent, the build quality is excellent and the tilting display shows no sign of flimsy construction. It has a nice weight to it and feels comfortable to hold and use.
But the dsmn lack of drivers *REALLY* grates at me after a while, especially when switching between portrait/landscape modes. The more time goes on, the more you notice how slow it is. There are tweaks that help, for example if you set the X button to close instead of hide apps the effect of this is minimised somewhat, but that shouldn't be necessary.
Unless you have patience for a UI with an average speed of "slow" I would go for one of HTCs other offerings which actually uses the hardware it contains, although if the custom drivers that are underway reach completion, perhaps the Kaiser will be a serious contender. So if you DO buy one, you may think of it as an investment for the future

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CrArc said:
. . . The feature-set is excellent, the build quality is excellent and the tilting display shows no sign of flimsy construction. It has a nice weight to it and feels comfortable to hold and use. . .
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I have a Wizard (8125) and a Kaiser (Tilt) and just got a Hermes (8525) for another family member - the Kaiser obviously has the best feature set, but the build quality of the other two is better, IMO. The 8125 is clunky looking, but solid, and the spacing of the keys makes it much easier not to miss-key. The 8525 is super-solid, has the best battery cover, and I think is the best looking.
That said, I will keep using the Kaiser. I have also tried i-mate 8502 and HP iPaq 910c, and returned to the Kaiser. The chrome is wearing down on the buttons, and some of HTC's software design on it is annoying (e.g. fast backlight shutoff - fixable of course). In the inevitable comparison to iPhone 3G, the iPhone does some things amazingly well (threaded SMS, internet browsing) but still doesn't have a spreadsheet for crying out loud! I depend on Excel, use it constantly in eyecare clinic.
So despite its flaws, the Kaiser is the best thing for me - until Touch Pro for AT&T 3G is available - then I will get that - the 5 row keyboard and the VGA screen are the big pluses there, and you can never have too much memory.

You know I researched a lot before buying my tilt, knowing I would need to unlock and flash it to get the functionality I wanted. I could not be happier with my purchase. Things I know I can not do with an Iphone easily or at all at no additional cost include excel & word editing, connect to Citrix, RDP, tether my laptop by either USB or BT. As for the d3d drivers, while they would be nice I don't see them as mandatory since this is first a phone and a PDA not a iPod. That said, I have no issue other than bandwidth when I comes to streaming media through ORB to my TILT and playback is more than acceptable for me.
Just do it since your no stranger to flashing,
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thinking of going from G1 to Behold 2 tomorrow....questions first!

So I just recently (a few months ago) figured out what rooting was and what you were capable of after doing so, and I have a new found love for my G1. However, I still want something new, because device-wise, I want something thinner. The G1 just isn't cutting it for me anymore.
I am looking into the Behold 2 and thinking about getting it tomorrow. Does anyone know if this phone is going to be an easy phone to root? I don't like what Samsung did to the UI (i.e., the "cube" and the QuickAccess buttons along the bottom that are ALWAYS there, taking up screen space) and figured, it would be an awesome phone if I was able to root it and put a new ROM on there.
Any info back on this would be greatly appreciated guys!
Thank you!

um no. The behold runs it's own OS. No way to ever put anything android on it, let alone "root" it. I don't even think samsung does updates on their own OSs. What you get is what you're going to have until you switch to a far superior phone.. like say the G1 also Android has some pretty slim phone coming out in the near future, are you under some sort of time restraint?

http://theunlockr.com/2009/11/18/how-to-root-your-samsung-behold-2-samsung-galaxy-in-one-click/
You might want to search more up on rooting the behold 2, I just googled that and it was the first thing i found.

sonikamd said:
um no. The behold runs it's own OS. No way to ever put anything android on it, let alone "root" it. I don't even think samsung does updates on their own OSs. What you get is what you're going to have until you switch to a far superior phone.. like say the G1 also Android has some pretty slim phone coming out in the near future, are you under some sort of time restraint?
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The Behold II is running Android, it's just customized like the Sense UI on the Hero.

dam it's going to be hard to get this shoe out of my mouth lol :O you know it's getting late when you fail @ google
nice save Anartic.
edit: and some of the "other" devices i spoke of pdadb.net / android 1.6 devices and of course the behold II is listed heh

If I were you, I would try and hold off a bit... lots of good ones coming out/already out that will be more customizable than that. Stick to HTC devices, since in turn you will have this community. As well, you will have far superior quality and reliability in the long run. Samsung makes some good phones, but you lose this community.

i know next year there will probably be some good devices coming out, but i don't want to wait. that's the problem. and even so, i have many friends who work in t-mobile retail stores so i always get the discount even if i'm not eligible.
it all depends on how much i can get the behold 2 for tomorrow. my friend already told me he would get me the mytouch for 149.99. if i was to get the behold 2 i'm thinking it would be the 199.99 price that current tmobile customers are eligible for. if its the 229.99 price, then i most likely wont get it and will get the mytouch.
but overall, i like the look of the behold 2 more than any of the current offerings from tmobile. my g1 runs good with cyans 4.2.5 rom.. its the fastest yet and getting better all the time. but the battery life is just damn awful and i can't deal with that anymore. and not to mention the behold 2 has a 5mp cam with flash. and that's something drawing me towards that phone. and also the 320MB RAM

I've never been a fan of samsungs.. all that graphical jazz gets in the way of usability imo.
Quite apart from that, I would be lost without my familiar bootloader/recovery system. It would be like losing a limb after all these years.

i have the behold 2 and the UI is terrible, really hurts usability. i'll write more details later, but i'll be flashing to stock android first opportunity i get.

Your basically exchanging a 1rst generation android phone, for another 1rst generation android phone that is running 1.5 (maybe 1.6, I can't recall). I would just wait man.... I really dont think a camera on a phone is more important. Why not wait a few months and get a stellar phone with a bigger processor and android 2.0. I really think it's a bad move on your part.

I took back the Behold II today and exchanged it for a myTouch. I had it for one day. Which shows you what I think about it.
Don't do it. I was in the same situation as you, I had the g1 since day one and got tired of it (and it's bulkiness), except that I switched to the Pre (which was good, but not Android) and gave my G1 away. I was with a dumbphone for a couple of months. So even though I plan on getting the Xperia X10, I couldn't live without a smartphone any longer..
But the Behold II is not a good phone. The UI changes are MAJOR. I know that they don't look major, before I got the phone I thought that the "touchwiz interface" was just the stupid cube. Don't use the cube, it's that simple right? Wrong. The entire screen is from the perspective that you are "inside the cube". So when you change screens, there is an animation of the cube moving. And it's not a simple "camera trick", because you can see your widgets moving as if they are on a 3D surface. It's kinda sorta cool, but it VERY LAGGY too....
This is the laggiest phone I've ever owned. You know how sometimes your G1 will be a little laggy when you bring up the app drawer? Well the Behold II does this every time. That's the worst thing, and why if I was Samsung I wouldn't have released the phone. Quite frankly, for the engineers it is embarrassing. I would be embarrassed to release this phone.
I'm cool with Android skinning... but they do more than just skin it. They have replaced most of the major applications (contacts, music, photos) with their own.... and what's crazy is that they are all worse than the android apps. Contacts can only be searched by first name... the music player is just awful, you can't get back to the main screen by bringing up the menu...
On all of the apps, when you bring up the menu, the buttons don't have icons. That doesn't hurt usability but it does show that Samsung didn't even want to pay designers to draw icons. It shows how little effort they put into this phone. It seems obvious that they didn't want to pay google for their apps so they made bad alternatives.
What this has done for me is open my eyes and make me realize how much I like stock android UI. It's really quite lovely once you're accustomed to it. I got the myTouch (which i'm loving so far) with the plan of still getting the Xperia X10... but I might not now. Not because the myTouch is so awesome, it is a 1gen phone after all.. but because I don't know if I want to leave stock android again.
Anyways, if you want another 1st gen android device, they are many good choices but the Behold II is not one of them. It'll will make me think twice about buying a Samsung product in the future because they obviously put no effort into this device other than to put their branding into it.

s15274n said:
Your basically exchanging a 1rst generation android phone, for another 1rst generation android phone that is running 1.5 (maybe 1.6, I can't recall). I would just wait man.... I really dont think a camera on a phone is more important. Why not wait a few months and get a stellar phone with a bigger processor and android 2.0. I really think it's a bad move on your part.
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it's 1.5 and won't get 1.6 even. samsung has no intent to upgrade this phone, ever.
And the camera, in my limited time, wasn't as great as advertised. Well, there are many reviewers out there who are more experts than I when it comes to camera, so I will take their word... but when I took pictures I had the same "shacky camera" problem that is typical of cell phone pictures.

mateo2 said:
it's 1.5 and won't get 1.6 even. samsung has no intent to upgrade this phone, ever.
And the camera, in my limited time, wasn't as great as advertised. Well, there are many reviewers out there who are more experts than I when it comes to camera, so I will take their word... but when I took pictures I had the same "shacky camera" problem that is typical of cell phone pictures.
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gotta agree here, im a long time samsung instinct owner(origional&S30) both were awful including the custom Ui.Upgrades always made other features broken, but now im a proud G1 owner w/cyan mod.

Just thought of a couple of others things. I buy my music from lala.com (great great service, highly recommended) and when I put my mp3s on the Behold II they all came up as "unknown" artist. I assumed there was something wrong with the mp3 tags and thought of maybe contacting lala and asking why they have bad tags... but then when I exchanged the Behold II and got the myTouch, the tags are just fine on the same mp3 files. So the Samsung mp3 player doesn't recognize these artist tags for some reason, who knows why. Terrible.
Also, the home screen UI doesn't "snap" in place. So you can literally stack widgets/icons on top of each other. For a neat freak like me, getting everything "in line" is annoyingly difficult.
Not everything is bad. The virtual keyboard was pretty good, maybe even better than stock android. But overall the phone is flat-out embarrassing. I will never buy another Samsung phone, ever.

Also, the GPS is awful. I only had it for a day, but Maps was never able to locate me. Ever. After I got the myTouch, it locked me in on the drive home.

mateo2 said:
it's 1.5 and won't get 1.6 even. samsung has no intent to upgrade this phone, ever.
And the camera, in my limited time, wasn't as great as advertised. Well, there are many reviewers out there who are more experts than I when it comes to camera, so I will take their word... but when I took pictures I had the same "shacky camera" problem that is typical of cell phone pictures.
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umm actually you're wrong. they have stated that it will be upgraded to 2.0

Hey, I'm new here, and also new to smartphones. I was told to read up on this site to learn more about them. I bought a Behold II a couple days ago and its awesome. Now I realize its my first smartphone, so its probably in actuality not as awesome as I think it is, however I have spent plenty of time playing around with my friend's G1, and also a lot of time with the Cliq. So while this is this is the first I've ever owned, its not my first smartphone experience.
As for mateo2, its unfortunate that you had all those problems with the phone, but I've had it for about 5 days now and have not experienced all the problems you did. For instance, the app drawer has yet to lag in the 5 days that I've owned the phone. The home screens however do lag for about the first 5 seconds after you wake the phone up. This can be an annoyance to some, but it really is only about 5 seconds or so, and then its gone. I mean I can live with it.
Also, I disagree about the music player, I think it is much nicer than stock Android, the only problem is that the cover art doesn't transfer. It does on some, but on most it doesn't. So, hopefully there will be an update soon to fix that. I'm not quite sure what you're talking about with not being able to get back to the main screen by pressing menu. If you mean the home screen of the phone just hit home. If you mean the main screen of the music player you just swipe left or right.
Also, as someone else has said you are misinformed about the update, it will get updated to 2.0. Samsung has the update ready and is waiting on Tmobile to release it. It is mentioned in passing in the review or preview by Cnet I believe.
Contacts can only be searched by first name which may be an annoyance to some, but not really to me.
Also, the keyboard is much better than the stock Android's I have used. Some people have reported a lag that can be fixed by turning off the vibration feedback, I haven't had it lag noticeably yet though. The keyboard IS difficult to use in portrait mode however, so someone might want to get a keyboard replacement because of that. I only find that its difficult when I'm trying to do other things at the same time, like drive, so I'm going to keep the keyboard so I don't text and drive anymore lol.
The camera is the best I've seen on a phone. Better than the Behold my girlfriend has, better picture than the iPhone that my friend has (although not as quick), better than the Droid (from the short time I had with it, and also from reviews that I've seen of it). The flash can be too bright at times, but some time with the camera and you figure out how to work it properly and the pictures are really quite amazing for a phone.
If anyone has any questions I'd be happy to answer them the best I can. Like I said earlier, I'm not as smart as you guys when it comes to these devices so you might ask me something that I have no idea how to answer haha. But, I plan on reading around this forum over the next couple of weeks to expand my knowledge. Hopefully it works, and I can root the thing without breaking it

Candiria92 said:
Hey, I'm new here, and also new to smartphones. I was told to read up on this site to learn more about them. I bought a Behold II a couple days ago and its awesome. Now I realize its my first smartphone, so its probably in actuality not as awesome as I think it is, however I have spent plenty of time playing around with my friend's G1, and also a lot of time with the Cliq. So while this is this is the first I've ever owned, its not my first smartphone experience.
As for mateo2, its unfortunate that you had all those problems with the phone, but I've had it for about 5 days now and have not experienced all the problems you did. For instance, the app drawer has yet to lag in the 5 days that I've owned the phone. The home screens however do lag for about the first 5 seconds after you wake the phone up. This can be an annoyance to some, but it really is only about 5 seconds or so, and then its gone. I mean I can live with it.
Also, I disagree about the music player, I think it is much nicer than stock Android, the only problem is that the cover art doesn't transfer. It does on some, but on most it doesn't. So, hopefully there will be an update soon to fix that. I'm not quite sure what you're talking about with not being able to get back to the main screen by pressing menu. If you mean the home screen of the phone just hit home. If you mean the main screen of the music player you just swipe left or right.
Also, as someone else has said you are misinformed about the update, it will get updated to 2.0. Samsung has the update ready and is waiting on Tmobile to release it. It is mentioned in passing in the review or preview by Cnet I believe.
Contacts can only be searched by first name which may be an annoyance to some, but not really to me.
Also, the keyboard is much better than the stock Android's I have used. Some people have reported a lag that can be fixed by turning off the vibration feedback, I haven't had it lag noticeably yet though. The keyboard IS difficult to use in portrait mode however, so someone might want to get a keyboard replacement because of that. I only find that its difficult when I'm trying to do other things at the same time, like drive, so I'm going to keep the keyboard so I don't text and drive anymore lol.
The camera is the best I've seen on a phone. Better than the Behold my girlfriend has, better picture than the iPhone that my friend has (although not as quick), better than the Droid (from the short time I had with it, and also from reviews that I've seen of it). The flash can be too bright at times, but some time with the camera and you figure out how to work it properly and the pictures are really quite amazing for a phone.
If anyone has any questions I'd be happy to answer them the best I can. Like I said earlier, I'm not as smart as you guys when it comes to these devices so you might ask me something that I have no idea how to answer haha. But, I plan on reading around this forum over the next couple of weeks to expand my knowledge. Hopefully it works, and I can root the thing without breaking it
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well put man. i've had this phone since the day it came out, so, i guess a week now. and i'm liking it. it has taken some getting use to after having a G1 for over a year, but i am very glad i made this purchase and not the mytouch. the mytouch is great, but its missing things that this phone doesn't have. one of these days, hopefully soon, there will be a hack to where we can root this phone without it getting rid of the root at startup, because as of right now, that is what is happening. samsung has put a pretty tough security lock on this phone. hopefully someone can crack it soon.

I miss my N1

So with all these new phones come out, I felt the need the update my phone. I considered the Galaxy variants, but settled on the Dell Streak. Two of my friends, choose the Samsung Captivate. So I had a chance to experience all three. Anyways I choose Dell for its 5" screen. I surf on my phone way more than I talk or game. I'm more of a productivity type than the gamer/entertainment type.
Anyways, for all of you thinking on 'upgrading' and you're on the fence about it, my advice is to wait. Its no upgrade in going to a Galaxy S, Streak, or any other device at the moment IMO.
Galaxy is nice, but its the same/same as a nexus. You get a tiny bit bigger screen, with in my opinion wrong colours; too vibrant and too pop. Nexus has way better support, lastest firmware/roms, trackball colours/wake, etc.
Dell, nice screen, I love it. Basically no kernel, no support. Its all about waiting, waiting, waiting... for Dell. Android 1.6 is good, but once you've had CM6 its hard to settle. I know theres a 2.1 leak out, but I find it too buggy.
Overall, I feel that the N1 is a far superior phone compared to others available at the moment.
So currently I'm giving the dell a go, while the nexus is a drawer. I imagine I would be switching between the two often.
Sorry for the rant.

send2toonie said:
So with all these new phones come out, I felt the need the update my phone. I considered the Galaxy variants, but settled on the Dell Streak. Two of my friends, choose the Samsung Captivate. So I had a chance to experience all three. Anyways I choose Dell for its 5" screen. I surf on my phone way more than I talk or game. I'm more of a productivity type than the gamer/entertainment type.
Anyways, for all of you thinking on 'upgrading' and you're on the fence about it, my advice is to wait. Its no upgrade in going to a Galaxy S, Streak, or any other device at the moment IMO.
Galaxy is nice, but its the same/same as a nexus. You get a tiny bit bigger screen, with in my opinion wrong colours; too vibrant and too pop. Nexus has way better support, lastest firmware/roms, trackball colours/wake, etc.
Dell, nice screen, I love it. Basically no kernel, no support. Its all about waiting, waiting, waiting... for Dell. Android 1.6 is good, but once you've had CM6 its hard to settle. I know theres a 2.1 leak out, but I find it too buggy.
Overall, I feel that the N1 is a far superior phone compared to others available at the moment.
So currently I'm giving the dell a go, while the nexus is a drawer. I imagine I would be switching between the two often.
Sorry for the rant.
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I literally agree with everything you said.
I bought the dell streak thinking it would be awesome..
It blows. So i posted something in the marketplace for a trade. and whadaya know? i have a nexus one again.
I missed it immensely. but u have it back. i suggest you do the same. if you arent happy, theres no reason not to be.

I felt the exact same way, so I bought a Galaxy S (Vibrant), thought the screen was amazing, but everything else disappointed. I returned it 1 1/2 days later and rooted my N1. So much happier now, with the same N1 I had before... Sometimes you forget what you have till its gone...

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I felt the exact same way, so I bought a Galaxy S (Vibrant), thought the screen was amazing, but everything else disappointed. I returned it 1 1/2 days later and rooted my N1. So much happier now, with the same N1 I had before... Sometimes you forget what you have till its gone...
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literally... i am so utterly happy i have my n1 back. its the best phone still. and you cant even buy it anymore. so, with that said... OP! get your n1 back!

Just because there are so many new phone coming out, it does not mean there is a "need" to upgrade. The N1 was and is still top of the line. Other phones are still catching up to it

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Just because there are so many new phone coming out, it does not mean there is a "need" to upgrade. The N1 was and is still top of the line. Other phones are still catching up to it
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couldn't have said it better myself

melwan said:
Just because there are so many new phone coming out, it does not mean there is a "need" to upgrade. The N1 was and is still top of the line. Other phones are still catching up to it
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no kidding... When I was looking at phones, I had a feeling I wasn't gonna be keeping anything I got cuz I was benchmarking my N1 next to all the new "great" smart phones, and they all fell WAY short of my N1 (i know not a fair comparison, but thats kinda the point), as well as not having the capabilities to do what the N1 can, really was a no brainer. it was nice though to see that all the hype still can't beat this underdog N1!

Switching phones now is pretty silly.
Unless you want a keyboard (obviously), there's no reason to switch phones until the next era of mobile processors comes out. Otherwise, it's just a sidegrade, not an upgrade.
I'm waiting for a 1.3-1.5 GHz phone before I even think about switching. Preferably a 4" Super AMOLED, and only Samsung can produce SAMOLED, so it'll be a long time since they just launched 4 phones.

Sidegrade was exactly the words I used when I returned it. Really, the main reason I started looking now was since there is one area my 3G drops, and I drive it all the time streaming (or trying to stream) music. The Vibrant didn't have any better reception, actually a bit worse, and there was no way I was going to pay $300 if that problem wasn't fixed, and to have to wait for a crippled froyo. The ONLY thing that was better about the Vibrant was the screen, and not by much, only in direct sunlight was it that much better. It even felt cheap.

well, I love these threads cause I got both.
The n1 is a great device and theres probably no need to upgrade/sidegrade to anything else.
BUT wow guys. Im not saying the vibrant/ sgs smokes the n1 cause it dont.
But give the phone credit when its due.
SIDEGRADE? wow, 16gb(2gb for apps) of rom vs 512mbs (195mb total after os takes rest).
the video camera kicks the n1s azs even with the 720p hack.
GPU smaaaaaaaaashes the n1s, eats it alive http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtube_gdata_player&v=cl4p5JI0-gQ I love my n1 but this makes me crinnnnge.. lol
Super amoled makes my n1s amoled look like crap, the blacks are greyish on the n1 compared to the vibrant.
Real MT screen, I love the n1 for browsing, but when the fuking thing cant even pinch to peak in the gallery properly without fanning out the wrong way then back the other and back again, and in simple games it cant register the right finger when the iphone 2g could, thats just plain junk. The vibrants hands down can detect multiple fingers I believe unlimited.
just over all better touch screen. Besides the MT the vibrants is just smoother, responds faster and just feels better.
Yes the N1 has it beat in a few areas as well. Build quality (although the vibrants isnt bad), but I never drop my phone anyways, and honestly the heavier n1 would probably suffer a bigger ding in the metal edges vs the lighter vibrants would.. Just my opinion
The n1 has notifications and I miss my trackball baaaaad
Also the n1s has a flash and the damn vibrant dont. boo. But it does have night view and the n1 even with flash cant replicate some of these types of photos.
The n1 will be updated to Gingerbread first yes, but honestly do you think it will still be in the light mid 2011? No way, not with way better hardware coming. Also the SGS will be on all carriers and have way more people with them. There will be tons of Development its just begun. I believe in the next few months it may surpase the N1s....
My opinion is they both have their strengths and weaknesses, but a better touch screen, better video recording, way more memory, and a better gpu outweights a light on the phone, trackball and updates which at that point the vibrant will get anyways by custom roms etc.
Just my opinion. I got both, the Vibrant is the better phone in my opinion. By a lot? Maybe not, but dont sell the SGS out like its not as good as the n1. Cause thats just retarded.

@smashpunks:
I see your point, and was with you until the retarded comment. That was just unnecessary... I could care less about the video camera, my multitouch works fine on my N1, is WAY faster to respond and react than the Vibrant (don't even understand how you could have felt the opposite), I don't game or watch movies on my phone, and have no issues with the internal memory. And so you say the N1 will be essentially obsolete mid 2011, I might be able to agree with that considering whats around the corner; however, the Galaxy S is not that far advanced over the N1 where it will be around longer than it, in my opinion. So, for me, the galaxy s ONLY had the nicer screen in direct sunlight going for it.
So given what I use my phone for and how I use it, the N1 is still far superior to the Vibrant,or for that matter, the Droid X, 2, and Incredible, and I would have been retarded to keep the Vibrant.

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@smashpunks:
I see your point, and was with you until the retarded comment. That was just unnecessary... I could care less about the video camera, my multitouch works fine on my N1, is WAY faster to respond and react than the Vibrant (don't even understand how you could have felt the opposite), I don't game or watch movies on my phone, and have no issues with the internal memory. And so you say the N1 will be essentially obsolete mid 2011, I might be able to agree with that considering whats around the corner; however, the Galaxy S is not that far advanced over the N1 where it will be around longer than it, in my opinion. So, for me, the galaxy s ONLY had the nicer screen in direct sunlight going for it.
So given what I use my phone for and how I use it, the N1 is still far superior to the Vibrant,or for that matter, the Droid X, 2, and Incredible, and I would have been retarded to keep the Vibrant.
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Confused person. By far superior you mean less specd right?
I got both. Niether is farrrrr superior lol

I know what I meant, and it is what I said. I had both, returned the Vibrant. I'm not here to bicker, and obviously I'm not the only one that likes the N1 better, isn't that the point of the thread?!

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I know what I meant, and it is what I said. I had both, returned the Vibrant. I'm not here to bicker, and obviously I'm not the only one that likes the N1 better, isn't that the point of the thread?!
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We are in a n1 thread. Biased going on. Vibrant is better

smashpunks said:
well, I love these threads cause I got both.
The n1 is a great device and theres probably no need to upgrade/sidegrade to anything else.
BUT wow guys. Im not saying the vibrant/ sgs smokes the n1 cause it dont.
But give the phone credit when its due.
SIDEGRADE? wow, 16gb(2gb for apps) of rom vs 512mbs (195mb total after os takes rest).
the video camera kicks the n1s azs even with the 720p hack.
GPU smaaaaaaaaashes the n1s, eats it alive http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtube_gdata_player&v=cl4p5JI0-gQ I love my n1 but this makes me crinnnnge.. lol
Super amoled makes my n1s amoled look like crap, the blacks are greyish on the n1 compared to the vibrant.
Real MT screen, I love the n1 for browsing, but when the fuking thing cant even pinch to peak in the gallery properly without fanning out the wrong way then back the other and back again, and in simple games it cant register the right finger when the iphone 2g could, thats just plain junk. The vibrants hands down can detect multiple fingers I believe unlimited.
just over all better touch screen. Besides the MT the vibrants is just smoother, responds faster and just feels better.
Yes the N1 has it beat in a few areas as well. Build quality (although the vibrants isnt bad), but I never drop my phone anyways, and honestly the heavier n1 would probably suffer a bigger ding in the metal edges vs the lighter vibrants would.. Just my opinion
The n1 has notifications and I miss my trackball baaaaad
Also the n1s has a flash and the damn vibrant dont. boo. But it does have night view and the n1 even with flash cant replicate some of these types of photos.
The n1 will be updated to Gingerbread first yes, but honestly do you think it will still be in the light mid 2011? No way, not with way better hardware coming. Also the SGS will be on all carriers and have way more people with them. There will be tons of Development its just begun. I believe in the next few months it may surpase the N1s....
My opinion is they both have their strengths and weaknesses, but a better touch screen, better video recording, way more memory, and a better gpu outweights a light on the phone, trackball and updates which at that point the vibrant will get anyways by custom roms etc.
Just my opinion. I got both, the Vibrant is the better phone in my opinion. By a lot? Maybe not, but dont sell the SGS out like its not as good as the n1. Cause thats just retarded.
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Use barcode scanner on my avatar and do that, ass.

I guess it depends on how each person defines an upgrade.

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We are in a n1 thread. Biased going on. Vibrant is better
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Man, you sound like a little kid nah nah on the playground. The point is preference. You don't seem to get that through your thick skull. You wasting your time trying to sell people on that plastic piece of ****. Especially here. This N1 straight up and down. And the only retarded person is the one who spends his money on a side grade rather than an upgrade.

I see ur points and agree with you.
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Just as I suspected. I was slightly tempted to get a Galaxy S, but I was very leery because of this. Yeah it's got a bigger screen and nicer GPU, but it's not quite the radical upgrade you'd get if you went from a humdrum office PC to an i7 gaming rig with the latest-and-greatest card from ATI--and at this point, to get me to upgrade from N1, the difference will have to be pretty radical. Bring on the dual-core phones!

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Man, you sound like a little kid nah nah on the playground. The point is preference. You don't seem to get that through your thick skull. You wasting your time trying to sell people on that plastic piece of ****. Especially here. This N1 straight up and down. And the only retarded person is the one who spends his money on a side grade rather than an upgrade.
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You just said preference, now im retarded for getting a phone that I prefere. Isnt that kinda like a oxymoron statement and kinda a little hypocrytical.. lol
That post shows your anger. Poor little n1 getting smashed to pieces by the SGS. lmaoooo @ 12 fps on neno mark 1 vs 44fps on the SGS.. lmaooo
1400 quadrant score on n1 vs 2300 on sgs without froyo.
28 fps in neocore on n1 vs 55 fps on sgs
Linpack is only thing n1 wins in and will see if thats the case soon.
Give it up. There are a few phones that are better than the n1 now. DROIDX, DROID2, SGS and soon the dual cores.
Remember the Hummingbird can safely over clock to 1.6ghz I cant wait for that.
THE n1 is cool and im not tying to convince anyone, I just want you to know that there are other phones equal to the n1 (evo, incredible etc) and a few that surpass it. I couldnt stand the
-Crappy MT screen/sgs is better
-Buggy MT screen/ sgs dont bug out (why have a buggy screen when thats what you use most on the phone same with MT?) You got a touch screen phone that cant distinguish 2 fingers. lol
-Crappy video recording/sgs is way better
-Crappy gaming quality (asphalt 5 looks like crap vs the sgs)/ sgs is better
-Cant play even simple MT like PONG
-regular amoled when theres super/super amoled makes the regular look like poop.
-LOW ROM, even with apps2sd the data in your app spaced filled up(sgs has so much I dont ever have to worry). SGS Wins there also
-Crappy WIFI issue
-METAL ON THE BACK WOULD get way hott. Plastic doesnt conduct as much heat.
-JUST a tad small, 4.3 is too big, 4.0 hit the spot.
-Shatty 3g issue. 1.covering the back loses signal (happens in a lot of phones so its not a biggie) 2. Just wont stay on 3g when not in a strong signal area. My SGS will stay on 3g by itself instead of having to force hack 3g. lol
-only sold online.. pfffft.
I just dont see how you couldnt thing the SGS is a upgrade. Its got the better, CPU, GPU, MEMORY, VIDEO CAMERA, CAMERA, SCREEN, MT SENSORS, 6 axis accelerometer and JUST all around a MORE comfortable experience. N1 wins in what? Development? and Notifications? Wow. yea the n1 is better.... lol Stop lying to yourselves.
Now you may prefere the n1, thats fine, but as it being better? no, better for you? maybe, but the SGS definetely has the 1 up on just about every spec...
N1 rocks man dont get me wrong, but its just not the phone that the SGS is and is capable of. We have only scratched the surface of what this phone can do especially with a OC kernal that will handle 1.6 overclocked.
Edit: here's a video I just saw. Now basically the sgs performs slightly faster, opening apps and browsing. This is without froyo yet. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtube_gdata_player&v=i6T5I9hmVIU
Also notice the ****ty pinch and zoom on the n1 vs sgs and look at the choppier scrolling vs the smoother sgs. Remember this is without froyo/jit a serious performance upgrade....
N1 is cool, bit the sgs beats it. Even the blacks on the n1 are ugly... sgs ftw.

[Q] Should I trade my iPhone 4 for a Nexus One?

I've gotten a couple of offers on the marketplace thread. I just look at it as too big of a downgrade. What do you guys think? I love android and miss it, but I had a captivate and the gps and lack of support from samsung just killed it for me. I want an inspire 4g but I'm not sure when it comes out. Also, do you guys think I have a better shot at trading the iPhone for an inspire, or the n1 for an inspire? Thanks

I find myself wanting an iPhone 4 some days. The camera is, man, so so good. And nothing ever goes wrong with it. I don't need to worry about ROMs and Kernels and Radios to get great battery life, or reception. It's the small things in Android that upset me.
The iPhone 4 has tons of apps etc, you know what the iPhone 4 has and doesn't when compared to the Nexus. I think moving from Android to an iPhone, I would miss the widgets the most. I depend on the news widgets!
As for trading, I'd say your iPhone 4 will haul in more cash than the Nexus. It definitely will actually. The average price of a used nexy, assuming it's a t-mobile, is around $300-400 I think, depending on condition.
Depending on the GB of your iPhone, you could get up to $450. Just check the internet, ebay, craigslist, the marketplace here, to get an idea of the price you could sell it for!
I think more people are looking for iPhone 4s than Nexus Ones.
I suggest waiting a few months, as there are some great phones, including 4g phones like you mentioned, that are coming out soon! 20 on AT&T alone. I think Verizon has more planned to release, but I dont remember...

Thanks, youre opinion is highly appreciated.

izmar said:
I find myself wanting an iPhone 4 some days. The camera is, man, so so good. And nothing ever goes wrong with it. I don't need to worry about ROMs and Kernels and Radios to get great battery life, or reception. It's the small things in Android that upset me.
The iPhone 4 has tons of apps etc, you know what the iPhone 4 has and doesn't when compared to the Nexus. I think moving from Android to an iPhone, I would miss the widgets the most. I depend on the news widgets!
As for trading, I'd say your iPhone 4 will haul in more cash than the Nexus. It definitely will actually. The average price of a used nexy, assuming it's a t-mobile, is around $300-400 I think, depending on condition.
Depending on the GB of your iPhone, you could get up to $450. Just check the internet, ebay, craigslist, the marketplace here, to get an idea of the price you could sell it for!
I think more people are looking for iPhone 4s than Nexus Ones.
I suggest waiting a few months, as there are some great phones, including 4g phones like you mentioned, that are coming out soon! 20 on AT&T alone. I think Verizon has more planned to release, but I dont remember...
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well the iPhone 4 is one sexy looking phone i agree. But I find myself wanna do more with my phone rather getting attached with the computer. iOS depends a lot on iTunes and I seriously hate using iTunes. iOS devices are so similar to each other that makes me think WHY do people keep buying the same thing when they have already gotten one? for example : WHen i have an iPhone, I don't think i need the iPod becuz it's just a downgrade for me. I don't think i wanna buy an iPad when i already got the iPhone either even though the iPad does have larger screen but to a bigger view, They're all the same. In my opinion, I'd rather have devices that don't look or operate as one another so i can find the usefulness of each device.

Ive had 4 Androids, I have an N1 and i4 right now, if I had to choose only one to keep, Id keep my iPhone4. Mainly because of all of the software bugs Ive experienced through all of my Androids, my Vibrant was the last straw, that phone was worthless, it made me hate Samsung, Android, and TMobile (yes I realize i4 is made of a ton of samsung parts). My i4 works everytime I want to use it, it doesnt randomly reboot, it doesnt send text messages to random contacts, it doesnt even have a "force close" option or anything like it. It doesnt freeze (you cant take out the battery, now thats confidence!!, Hell I had to pull the battery at least a few times per week on every Android Ive ever owned.
Main Pros for the N1 over the i4 are:
1.Larger screen (although not wider, so not a complete "Pro" for N1)
2.Adobe Flash (honestly I dont miss it, Skyfire browser is very accomodating)
3.Free tethering (this one's a biggie, more like a "hugie")
4.Customizations (root/desktop/widgets- I have missed some settings shortcuts but thats really it, ive rooted the g1 and N1 and messed with roms extensively and frankly, I dont miss it, its nice to just enjoy my phone),
5.Maybe I just dont know how to do this on my iphone, but the N1, and Android generally from what I know can use cell towers to determine location, and its pretty accurate, you can use the maps and most location based apps (for finding stores and such near you) without actually turning on GPS (iphone is a hassle because you must turn on GPS for anything using your location)
Main Pros for iPhone are:
1. Hi resolution; I had no idea how great this screen was until I owned it, I saw my friends' and thought it was nice but now I realize its incredible, it makes all Androids look fuzzy, its 960x640 while no Android is over 824(roughly)x480. I could never go back to 800x480 after enjoying this i4 screen
2. Its fast, not necessarily faster than the N1, but it never lags and it doesnt freeze, that consistency makes it more enjoyable in my opinion.
3. iTunes- Ive come to prefer buying these files from iTunes rather than downloading and putting on Android; ios and itunes is just very integrated which I found that I prefer
4. The keyboard is fu***ng awesome, the screen is slightly wider but it makes a big difference in portrait typing, along with the much better keyboard (invisible, predictive auto resize)
5. Apps, every app does something, they all work, even if they are kind of dumcb. They all look and feel integrated with ios
6. Battery, it charges faster and lasts longer
7. the copy/text and cursor placement is just a pleasure
Other:
I havent used the Android Market in over a year, theres just no point. I do download apps but only when I know exactly what I want. I never look through the Market, because not only is it not well organized, 99% of Android apps are either useless, worthless, broken, or malicious. The Android Market is beyond awful
One thing I found wonderful on my iPhone 4 was that it flawlessly synced my Google contacts along with my contact pics, and it synced and integrated my google and yahoo email accounts.
The biggest thing I miss is Google Maps/Navigation, it is an incredible resource. I would literally pay $200 to have Google Maps just like it is on Android, along with its frequent updates. I bought TomTom for $50 and its good but Google maps is better
The second biggest thing I miss is Google Voice to text, its phenomenally accurate and there is nothing on ios that is comparable to its ease and accuracy
I like my iPhone 4, It has fewer features, but I kind of enjoy not taking my phone out all the time

i've always used the mentality that the android is more for a techy and iphone for someone who doesnt really care and just wants a cool phone. I have a N1 and my friends have the iphone4. I find myself winning the battles of "can your phone do this...". I have 5 different Roms ready to be flashed on my SD Card, i go through them often depending on what version i feel like playing with. I am a developer so i make my own custom apps, and with app inventor made by google it makes it extremely easy for mere mortal to create apps now. Wow...
Personally i have never had these issues with my N1 about rebooting, kernels, roms, battery life... all of those things are extra and not necessary, but they are fun to mess with. I also agree the more people are looking for the iphone4. Its popular, android is fairly new still and people don't like taking chances typically. Why would someone pay a lot of money for a phone that is not the most popular phone...
I assure you though, either decision you make, you will not be disappointed. This many people can't be wrong about each device.

3 MAJOR things stopping me from buying the Note 4

I am undecided on this device or the Nexus 6. However, I was leaning more towards the T-Mobile Note 4 for use on AT&T. I have been reading through these forums, along with the AT&T Note 4 forums. The three major issues I have been reading on are:
1. Screen uniformity issues (apparently common among AMOLED panels) Many have complained about a pink tint or residue on certain portions of the screen when viewing whites. Others have also complained that certain sections of the screen are cooler and have more of a blue tint. I have read very few actually state they got perfect screens. These AMOLED issues seem to be more prevalent in the Black Galaxy Note 4s (the color I wanted, too). I have also noted that some are complaining about graininess in their displays. Why does one of the "best" displays on the market suffer from these issues?
2. Headphone output? Its been no secret that almost every Samsung Galaxy flagship had very low volume, but apparently the Note 4 takes it to a new level. The volume with headphones plugged in, when using the stock music app is so low, it apparently is half the volume of the iPhone 5S. THIS IS A MAJOR PROBLEM. I understand about volume mods and roms, but not everyone has time to mess around with that. I also refuse to carry around an iPhone and Note 4 just to get a good listening experience.
3. LAG? Apparently Samsung's TW is still lagging and stuttering just like its predecessors before it. Of course with the Note 4, "its not bad, and much improved", yet still there. When launching apps there are noticeable delays. Using the hangouts app produces quite a bit of stutter, and using the multitasking view.
I believe if anyone is going to drop $750+ dollars on a phone, they should not have to spend time "fixing" the above issues. I really hope that I am WRONG about these issues, because honestly, there really isn't much more to choose from when it comes to phones this year. The Nexus 6 display is lacking, and so is battery life. What's left? iPhone 6 Plus? Nah.

LOL go buy the iphone...
I don't have problem with headphones and it's louder than ever.
Don't have screen problems either..
Also no lag at all.

twe90kid said:
LOL go buy the iphone...
I don't have problem with headphones and it's louder than ever.
Don't have screen problems either..
Also no lag at all.
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That's what I wanted to hear. No iPhone for me, nope not no way, not no how. I will not overpay for a limited device like that.

BlockEight88 said:
I am undecided on this device or the Nexus 6. However, I was leaning more towards the T-Mobile Note 4 for use on AT&T. I have been reading through these forums, along with the AT&T Note 4 forums. The three major issues I have been reading on are:
1. Screen uniformity issues (apparently common among AMOLED panels) Many have complained about a pink tint or residue on certain portions of the screen when viewing whites. Others have also complained that certain sections of the screen are cooler and have more of a blue tint. I have read very few actually state they got perfect screens. These AMOLED issues seem to be more prevalent in the Black Galaxy Note 4s (the color I wanted, too). I have also noted that some are complaining about graininess in their displays. Why does one of the "best" displays on the market suffer from these issues?
2. Headphone output? Its been no secret that almost every Samsung Galaxy flagship had very low volume, but apparently the Note 4 takes it to a new level. The volume with headphones plugged in, when using the stock music app is so low, it apparently is half the volume of the iPhone 5S. THIS IS A MAJOR PROBLEM. I understand about volume mods and roms, but not everyone has time to mess around with that. I also refuse to carry around an iPhone and Note 4 just to get a good listening experience.
3. LAG? Apparently Samsung's TW is still lagging and stuttering just like its predecessors before it. Of course with the Note 4, "its not bad, and much improved", yet still there. When launching apps there are noticeable delays. Using the hangouts app produces quite a bit of stutter, and using the multitasking view.
I believe if anyone is going to drop $750+ dollars on a phone, they should not have to spend time "fixing" the above issues. I really hope that I am WRONG about these issues, because honestly, there really isn't much more to choose from when it comes to phones this year. The Nexus 6 display is lacking, and so is battery life. What's left? iPhone 6 Plus? Nah.
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Yep got mine on preorder never had an issue with screen, if stock is bad no reason to mod download powerapp which is one of the best music players, go to settings and put outpt to the highest and promise to impress, and literally just downloading nova will get rid of most if an lag. Youll be fine and appreciate the phone more.

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Yep got mine on preorder never had an issue with screen, if stock is bad no reason to mod download powerapp which is one of the best music players, go to settings and put outpt to the highest and promise to impress, and literally just downloading nova will get rid of most if an lag. Youll be fine and appreciate the phone more.
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After reading the thread on the display issues, I was quite worried. It seemed rare to get a perfect display. Of course I am sure majority of people do not have perfect displays and just don't notice it. This is why I prefer IPS panels instead of AMOLED.

unless you suffer from OCD, ignore all that non sense and buy the damn phone; its the phone of the year, by a LARGE margin, period

No problems with the phone from me. Screen is perfect, volume is plenty loud (way louder than any iPhone), lag is a non issue.
This phone does everything and does them ask well. I do have a custom ROM on it, which make a difference. If you want to buy a phone and leave it stock you should look at a nexus 6 a Motorola X or an iPhone. This phone is way better rooted with a custom ROM.
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ShrekOpher said:
No problems with the phone from me. Screen is perfect, volume is plenty loud (way louder than any iPhone), lag is a non issue.
This phone does everything and does them ask well. I do have a custom ROM on it, which make a difference. If you want to buy a phone and leave it stock you should look at a nexus 6 a Motorola X or an iPhone. This phone is way better rooted with a custom ROM.
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Well rooting and flashing roms can be an amazing thing. It's just that I did that before with my S3 and S4 and I was always changing roms, never keeping anything lol. It also got annoying have to re-setup everything all the time when updates came. I think you could get into trouble by dirty flashing.
How is your signal reception? Do you use T-Mobile? How is the GPS accuracy?

From what I've seen personally and heard from reading it almost seems that the black n4's are more likely to have display issues........Racist !

Lol damn those black phones lol

I don't have screen troubles
I don't have lag
Headphones could be a bit louder
But nothing like you described

Always the black man, I am offended samsung ....#sue
...and honestly, if you are not willing to try the phone hands on you have no right to complain about it. touchwiz will always lag next STOCK android. it is no DIFFERENT next to an lg, xperia, and htc is SLIGHTLY (thats a stretch) better in the lag department because it is the CLOSEST to stock android.
With all your complaint, either go buy an iphone or go buy a nexus device because 3rd party manufacturers are not for you lol. feels like im back on the lg g3 forum all over again with posts like this...that should tell you something....complaints are UNIVERSAL until you buy the damn thing

mgbotoe said:
Always the black man, I am offended samsung ....#sue
...and honestly, if you are not willing to try the phone hands on you have no right to complain about it. touchwiz will always lag next STOCK android. it is no DIFFERENT next to an lg, xperia, and htc is SLIGHTLY (thats a stretch) better in the lag department because it is the CLOSEST to stock android.
With all your complaint, either go buy an iphone or go buy a nexus device because 3rd party manufacturers are not for you lol. feels like im back on the lg g3 forum all over again with posts like this...that should tell you something....complaints are UNIVERSAL until you buy the damn thing
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Well if I could gather some respective opinions first before going out and spending $750+ then I'd rather go that route. Not too mention, if the phone does not work out for me, I'd have to pay T-Mobile a $50 restocking fee. So excuse me for using a "forum" the way it was designed.
Third party manufactures are not a bad thing, however, after using the S3 & S4, I have noticed a slow down or lag when it shouldn't be there, given the specs. I have read various reports of the Note 4 doing the same thing, so I figured I'd ask.

BlockEight88 said:
Well rooting and flashing roms can be an amazing thing. It's just that I did that before with my S3 and S4 and I was always changing roms, never keeping anything lol. It also got annoying have to re-setup everything all the time when updates came. I think you could get into trouble by dirty flashing.
How is your signal reception? Do you use T-Mobile? How is the GPS accuracy?
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Using Tmobile Note 4 on AT&T. I get full LTE everywhere. I actually get faster speeds than the AT&T model on AT&T got.
Have absolutely NO GPS issues. I don't know where that complaint came from, I leave my location settings on this phone to "Device only" which means it doesn't use the WiFi or cell signal to locate me at all and have still never had any issues.
With the device on "high accuracy" it locates you instantly.
Not to mention the battery life on this thing is absolutely insane.
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ShrekOpher said:
Using Tmobile Note 4 on AT&T. I get full LTE everywhere. I actually get faster speeds than the AT&T model on AT&T got.
Have absolutely NO GPS issues. I don't know where that complaint came from, I leave my location settings on this phone to "Device only" which means it doesn't use the WiFi or cell signal to locate me at all and have still never had any issues.
With the device on "high accuracy" it locates you instantly.
Not to mention the battery life on this thing is absolutely insane.
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Thank you for your opinion. Can I ask when you bought the T-Mobile phone if you had service through them? I am reading that before the device is unlocked it first must be activated and used on its original carrier.

BlockEight88 said:
Well if I could gather some respective opinions first before going out and spending $750+ then I'd rather go that route. Not too mention, if the phone does not work out for me, I'd have to pay T-Mobile a $50 restocking fee. So excuse me for using a "forum" the way it was designed.
Third party manufactures are not a bad thing, however, after using the S3 & S4, I have noticed a slow down or lag when it shouldn't be there, given the specs. I have read various reports of the Note 4 doing the same thing, so I figured I'd ask.
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Lol, see it how you will im just stating the hard cold fact on the matter.
Point im trying to make is that EVERY single manufacturer will have the issue you just stated, thats the plain cold fact. Heck, even Nexus is having the complaints you are currently having.
Its a lottery my friend. If you are one of the unlucky ones you will end up with the unlucky device. If you want to nit pick at everything, you will end up with an unlucky device because you will always see something wrong.
See where I'm getting at?
The phone is great, it does not lag the way you are making it sound. I got zero screen issue and I'm satisfy with the sound of it...ITS LOUD. Unless you want your ears to bleed, the Note 4 is not for you. You want to use it as a boombox...the note 4 is not for you. It is smooth for what we KNOW to expect from samsung. They got so many things on here that needs to load and given the time they do and the tweaks I have on my phone, I'm satisfy and will forgive it. If you can't forgive it, than go grab an iphone or a nexus. We can bash on iphone all we want but their optimization is brilliant! They and google do so damn good job at it and make every other phone look like crap next to them (...nexus that is, im giving too much credit to icrap here lmao!) as far as "lag" is concern.
Also to make another note, most of the lag complain you see also deals with google apps. For some odd reason the only phone google apps (especially hangout) work flawlessly on are nexus devices, any other you will see lag. Nave samsung apps are FAR SUPERIOR in smoothness next to hangout. Using it make my phone feel like a cheap second rated phone

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Lol, see it how you will im just stating the hard cold fact on the matter.
Point im trying to make is that EVERY single manufacturer will have the issue you just stated, thats the plain cold fact. Heck, even Nexus is having the complaints you are currently having.
Its a lottery my friend. If you are one of the unlucky ones you will end up with the unlucky device. If you want to nit pick at everything, you will end up with an unlucky device because you will always see something wrong.
See where I'm getting at?
The phone is great, it does not lag the way you are making it sound. I got zero screen issue and I'm satisfy with the sound of it...ITS LOUD. Unless you want your ears to bleed, the Note 4 is not for you. You want to use it as a boombox...the note 4 is not for you. It is smooth for what we KNOW to expect from samsung. They got so many things on here that needs to load and given the time they do and the tweaks I have on my phone, I'm satisfy and will forgive it. If you can't forgive it, than go grab an iphone or a nexus. We can bash on iphone all we want but their optimization is brilliant! They and google do so damn good job at it and make every other phone look like crap next to them (...nexus that is, im giving too much credit to icrap here lmao!) as far as "lag" is concern.
Also to make another note, most of the lag complain you see also deals with google apps. For some odd reason the only phone google apps (especially hangout) work flawlessly on are nexus devices, any other you will see lag. Nave samsung apps are FAR SUPERIOR in smoothness next to hangout. Using it make my phone feel like a cheap second rated phone
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I appreciate that. You are right about every manufacturer having its issues. When I tried the iPhone 6 plus, it lagged too. But not as bad as my previous experience with Samsung devices. Perhaps "lag" isn't the right word. I guess the right word would be stutter. I always found the animations to be a tad jerky on Samsung devices, despite awesome specs. Hopefully its as improved as everyone here is making it out to be.
Its a shame though they don't make the headphone volume go louder. :/

BlockEight88 said:
Well if I could gather some respective opinions first before going out and spending $750+ then I'd rather go that route. Not too mention, if the phone does not work out for me, I'd have to pay T-Mobile a $50 restocking fee. So excuse me for using a "forum" the way it was designed.
Third party manufactures are not a bad thing, however, after using the S3 & S4, I have noticed a slow down or lag when it shouldn't be there, given the specs. I have read various reports of the Note 4 doing the same thing, so I figured I'd ask.
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Well considering best buy has them to demo and so does TMOBILE. I say hit the stores and you decide. So many threads about the phone not being perfect. Also every phone cost 500 plus so it not that big anymore. A smartphone comes with a smart phone price. U need to see for your self. I love it my boy hates it. It your money you need to go and see.

BACARDILIMON said:
Well considering best buy has them to demo and so does TMOBILE. I say hit the stores and you decide. So many threads about the phone not being perfect. Also every phone cost 500 plus so it not that big anymore. A smartphone comes with a smart phone price. U need to see for your self. I love it my boy hates it. It your money you need to go and see.
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The only thing with going to Best Buy and T-Mobile is that they have demo versions running on the phone, which can slow everything down.

Honestly, you should just buy a note 4. Nothing else now or in the near future compares.
My headphones are too loud. If there is such a thing.
Screen is what everyone I show the phone notices. In a good drooling/jealous way.
I've never had a phone with less lag.
I am custom however. Firekat v4