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thinking of going from G1 to Behold 2 tomorrow....questions first!

So I just recently (a few months ago) figured out what rooting was and what you were capable of after doing so, and I have a new found love for my G1. However, I still want something new, because device-wise, I want something thinner. The G1 just isn't cutting it for me anymore.
I am looking into the Behold 2 and thinking about getting it tomorrow. Does anyone know if this phone is going to be an easy phone to root? I don't like what Samsung did to the UI (i.e., the "cube" and the QuickAccess buttons along the bottom that are ALWAYS there, taking up screen space) and figured, it would be an awesome phone if I was able to root it and put a new ROM on there.
Any info back on this would be greatly appreciated guys!
Thank you!

um no. The behold runs it's own OS. No way to ever put anything android on it, let alone "root" it. I don't even think samsung does updates on their own OSs. What you get is what you're going to have until you switch to a far superior phone.. like say the G1 also Android has some pretty slim phone coming out in the near future, are you under some sort of time restraint?

http://theunlockr.com/2009/11/18/how-to-root-your-samsung-behold-2-samsung-galaxy-in-one-click/
You might want to search more up on rooting the behold 2, I just googled that and it was the first thing i found.

sonikamd said:
um no. The behold runs it's own OS. No way to ever put anything android on it, let alone "root" it. I don't even think samsung does updates on their own OSs. What you get is what you're going to have until you switch to a far superior phone.. like say the G1 also Android has some pretty slim phone coming out in the near future, are you under some sort of time restraint?
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The Behold II is running Android, it's just customized like the Sense UI on the Hero.

dam it's going to be hard to get this shoe out of my mouth lol :O you know it's getting late when you fail @ google
nice save Anartic.
edit: and some of the "other" devices i spoke of pdadb.net / android 1.6 devices and of course the behold II is listed heh

If I were you, I would try and hold off a bit... lots of good ones coming out/already out that will be more customizable than that. Stick to HTC devices, since in turn you will have this community. As well, you will have far superior quality and reliability in the long run. Samsung makes some good phones, but you lose this community.

i know next year there will probably be some good devices coming out, but i don't want to wait. that's the problem. and even so, i have many friends who work in t-mobile retail stores so i always get the discount even if i'm not eligible.
it all depends on how much i can get the behold 2 for tomorrow. my friend already told me he would get me the mytouch for 149.99. if i was to get the behold 2 i'm thinking it would be the 199.99 price that current tmobile customers are eligible for. if its the 229.99 price, then i most likely wont get it and will get the mytouch.
but overall, i like the look of the behold 2 more than any of the current offerings from tmobile. my g1 runs good with cyans 4.2.5 rom.. its the fastest yet and getting better all the time. but the battery life is just damn awful and i can't deal with that anymore. and not to mention the behold 2 has a 5mp cam with flash. and that's something drawing me towards that phone. and also the 320MB RAM

I've never been a fan of samsungs.. all that graphical jazz gets in the way of usability imo.
Quite apart from that, I would be lost without my familiar bootloader/recovery system. It would be like losing a limb after all these years.

i have the behold 2 and the UI is terrible, really hurts usability. i'll write more details later, but i'll be flashing to stock android first opportunity i get.

Your basically exchanging a 1rst generation android phone, for another 1rst generation android phone that is running 1.5 (maybe 1.6, I can't recall). I would just wait man.... I really dont think a camera on a phone is more important. Why not wait a few months and get a stellar phone with a bigger processor and android 2.0. I really think it's a bad move on your part.

I took back the Behold II today and exchanged it for a myTouch. I had it for one day. Which shows you what I think about it.
Don't do it. I was in the same situation as you, I had the g1 since day one and got tired of it (and it's bulkiness), except that I switched to the Pre (which was good, but not Android) and gave my G1 away. I was with a dumbphone for a couple of months. So even though I plan on getting the Xperia X10, I couldn't live without a smartphone any longer..
But the Behold II is not a good phone. The UI changes are MAJOR. I know that they don't look major, before I got the phone I thought that the "touchwiz interface" was just the stupid cube. Don't use the cube, it's that simple right? Wrong. The entire screen is from the perspective that you are "inside the cube". So when you change screens, there is an animation of the cube moving. And it's not a simple "camera trick", because you can see your widgets moving as if they are on a 3D surface. It's kinda sorta cool, but it VERY LAGGY too....
This is the laggiest phone I've ever owned. You know how sometimes your G1 will be a little laggy when you bring up the app drawer? Well the Behold II does this every time. That's the worst thing, and why if I was Samsung I wouldn't have released the phone. Quite frankly, for the engineers it is embarrassing. I would be embarrassed to release this phone.
I'm cool with Android skinning... but they do more than just skin it. They have replaced most of the major applications (contacts, music, photos) with their own.... and what's crazy is that they are all worse than the android apps. Contacts can only be searched by first name... the music player is just awful, you can't get back to the main screen by bringing up the menu...
On all of the apps, when you bring up the menu, the buttons don't have icons. That doesn't hurt usability but it does show that Samsung didn't even want to pay designers to draw icons. It shows how little effort they put into this phone. It seems obvious that they didn't want to pay google for their apps so they made bad alternatives.
What this has done for me is open my eyes and make me realize how much I like stock android UI. It's really quite lovely once you're accustomed to it. I got the myTouch (which i'm loving so far) with the plan of still getting the Xperia X10... but I might not now. Not because the myTouch is so awesome, it is a 1gen phone after all.. but because I don't know if I want to leave stock android again.
Anyways, if you want another 1st gen android device, they are many good choices but the Behold II is not one of them. It'll will make me think twice about buying a Samsung product in the future because they obviously put no effort into this device other than to put their branding into it.

s15274n said:
Your basically exchanging a 1rst generation android phone, for another 1rst generation android phone that is running 1.5 (maybe 1.6, I can't recall). I would just wait man.... I really dont think a camera on a phone is more important. Why not wait a few months and get a stellar phone with a bigger processor and android 2.0. I really think it's a bad move on your part.
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it's 1.5 and won't get 1.6 even. samsung has no intent to upgrade this phone, ever.
And the camera, in my limited time, wasn't as great as advertised. Well, there are many reviewers out there who are more experts than I when it comes to camera, so I will take their word... but when I took pictures I had the same "shacky camera" problem that is typical of cell phone pictures.

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it's 1.5 and won't get 1.6 even. samsung has no intent to upgrade this phone, ever.
And the camera, in my limited time, wasn't as great as advertised. Well, there are many reviewers out there who are more experts than I when it comes to camera, so I will take their word... but when I took pictures I had the same "shacky camera" problem that is typical of cell phone pictures.
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gotta agree here, im a long time samsung instinct owner(origional&S30) both were awful including the custom Ui.Upgrades always made other features broken, but now im a proud G1 owner w/cyan mod.

Just thought of a couple of others things. I buy my music from lala.com (great great service, highly recommended) and when I put my mp3s on the Behold II they all came up as "unknown" artist. I assumed there was something wrong with the mp3 tags and thought of maybe contacting lala and asking why they have bad tags... but then when I exchanged the Behold II and got the myTouch, the tags are just fine on the same mp3 files. So the Samsung mp3 player doesn't recognize these artist tags for some reason, who knows why. Terrible.
Also, the home screen UI doesn't "snap" in place. So you can literally stack widgets/icons on top of each other. For a neat freak like me, getting everything "in line" is annoyingly difficult.
Not everything is bad. The virtual keyboard was pretty good, maybe even better than stock android. But overall the phone is flat-out embarrassing. I will never buy another Samsung phone, ever.

Also, the GPS is awful. I only had it for a day, but Maps was never able to locate me. Ever. After I got the myTouch, it locked me in on the drive home.

mateo2 said:
it's 1.5 and won't get 1.6 even. samsung has no intent to upgrade this phone, ever.
And the camera, in my limited time, wasn't as great as advertised. Well, there are many reviewers out there who are more experts than I when it comes to camera, so I will take their word... but when I took pictures I had the same "shacky camera" problem that is typical of cell phone pictures.
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umm actually you're wrong. they have stated that it will be upgraded to 2.0

Hey, I'm new here, and also new to smartphones. I was told to read up on this site to learn more about them. I bought a Behold II a couple days ago and its awesome. Now I realize its my first smartphone, so its probably in actuality not as awesome as I think it is, however I have spent plenty of time playing around with my friend's G1, and also a lot of time with the Cliq. So while this is this is the first I've ever owned, its not my first smartphone experience.
As for mateo2, its unfortunate that you had all those problems with the phone, but I've had it for about 5 days now and have not experienced all the problems you did. For instance, the app drawer has yet to lag in the 5 days that I've owned the phone. The home screens however do lag for about the first 5 seconds after you wake the phone up. This can be an annoyance to some, but it really is only about 5 seconds or so, and then its gone. I mean I can live with it.
Also, I disagree about the music player, I think it is much nicer than stock Android, the only problem is that the cover art doesn't transfer. It does on some, but on most it doesn't. So, hopefully there will be an update soon to fix that. I'm not quite sure what you're talking about with not being able to get back to the main screen by pressing menu. If you mean the home screen of the phone just hit home. If you mean the main screen of the music player you just swipe left or right.
Also, as someone else has said you are misinformed about the update, it will get updated to 2.0. Samsung has the update ready and is waiting on Tmobile to release it. It is mentioned in passing in the review or preview by Cnet I believe.
Contacts can only be searched by first name which may be an annoyance to some, but not really to me.
Also, the keyboard is much better than the stock Android's I have used. Some people have reported a lag that can be fixed by turning off the vibration feedback, I haven't had it lag noticeably yet though. The keyboard IS difficult to use in portrait mode however, so someone might want to get a keyboard replacement because of that. I only find that its difficult when I'm trying to do other things at the same time, like drive, so I'm going to keep the keyboard so I don't text and drive anymore lol.
The camera is the best I've seen on a phone. Better than the Behold my girlfriend has, better picture than the iPhone that my friend has (although not as quick), better than the Droid (from the short time I had with it, and also from reviews that I've seen of it). The flash can be too bright at times, but some time with the camera and you figure out how to work it properly and the pictures are really quite amazing for a phone.
If anyone has any questions I'd be happy to answer them the best I can. Like I said earlier, I'm not as smart as you guys when it comes to these devices so you might ask me something that I have no idea how to answer haha. But, I plan on reading around this forum over the next couple of weeks to expand my knowledge. Hopefully it works, and I can root the thing without breaking it

Candiria92 said:
Hey, I'm new here, and also new to smartphones. I was told to read up on this site to learn more about them. I bought a Behold II a couple days ago and its awesome. Now I realize its my first smartphone, so its probably in actuality not as awesome as I think it is, however I have spent plenty of time playing around with my friend's G1, and also a lot of time with the Cliq. So while this is this is the first I've ever owned, its not my first smartphone experience.
As for mateo2, its unfortunate that you had all those problems with the phone, but I've had it for about 5 days now and have not experienced all the problems you did. For instance, the app drawer has yet to lag in the 5 days that I've owned the phone. The home screens however do lag for about the first 5 seconds after you wake the phone up. This can be an annoyance to some, but it really is only about 5 seconds or so, and then its gone. I mean I can live with it.
Also, I disagree about the music player, I think it is much nicer than stock Android, the only problem is that the cover art doesn't transfer. It does on some, but on most it doesn't. So, hopefully there will be an update soon to fix that. I'm not quite sure what you're talking about with not being able to get back to the main screen by pressing menu. If you mean the home screen of the phone just hit home. If you mean the main screen of the music player you just swipe left or right.
Also, as someone else has said you are misinformed about the update, it will get updated to 2.0. Samsung has the update ready and is waiting on Tmobile to release it. It is mentioned in passing in the review or preview by Cnet I believe.
Contacts can only be searched by first name which may be an annoyance to some, but not really to me.
Also, the keyboard is much better than the stock Android's I have used. Some people have reported a lag that can be fixed by turning off the vibration feedback, I haven't had it lag noticeably yet though. The keyboard IS difficult to use in portrait mode however, so someone might want to get a keyboard replacement because of that. I only find that its difficult when I'm trying to do other things at the same time, like drive, so I'm going to keep the keyboard so I don't text and drive anymore lol.
The camera is the best I've seen on a phone. Better than the Behold my girlfriend has, better picture than the iPhone that my friend has (although not as quick), better than the Droid (from the short time I had with it, and also from reviews that I've seen of it). The flash can be too bright at times, but some time with the camera and you figure out how to work it properly and the pictures are really quite amazing for a phone.
If anyone has any questions I'd be happy to answer them the best I can. Like I said earlier, I'm not as smart as you guys when it comes to these devices so you might ask me something that I have no idea how to answer haha. But, I plan on reading around this forum over the next couple of weeks to expand my knowledge. Hopefully it works, and I can root the thing without breaking it
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well put man. i've had this phone since the day it came out, so, i guess a week now. and i'm liking it. it has taken some getting use to after having a G1 for over a year, but i am very glad i made this purchase and not the mytouch. the mytouch is great, but its missing things that this phone doesn't have. one of these days, hopefully soon, there will be a hack to where we can root this phone without it getting rid of the root at startup, because as of right now, that is what is happening. samsung has put a pretty tough security lock on this phone. hopefully someone can crack it soon.

Considering a Nexus

So I started my android life with a G1, then eventually got a Mytouch. Now I am considering getting a Nexus one, I have the money saved up but I am not 100% sure... I want some experienced users (mainly the people who's root) and tell me, does the battery last good? And are you truly happy with it? Because I can't make up my mind rather to get the Nexus, or the Droid..Or some other new android phones coming to t-mobile soon..(rumors)
But then again I hate the fact that every time I buy a phone a new one comes out.. lol.
Side note: If anyone is selling a nexus, let me know.

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So I started my android life with a G1, then eventually got a Mytouch. Now I am considering getting a Nexus one, I have the money saved up but I am not 100% sure... I want some experienced users (mainly the people who's root) and tell me, does the battery last good? And are you truly happy with it? Because I can't make up my mind rather to get the Nexus, or the Droid..Or some other new android phones coming to t-mobile soon..(rumors)
But then again I hate the fact that every time I buy a phone a new one comes out.. lol.
Side note: If anyone is selling a nexus, let me know.
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Tough situation. You have to realize that at some point, the trigger has to be pulled and when it is, another device will be coming out. That is just how it works. Look at Apple users...they buy a laptop to find out 6 months later something even better is arriving. Technology never waits, so when you want something, jump on it.
If you are on T-Mobile, you can look at the Desire. If you are interested in Verizon, the Incredible is landing soon which is basically a Desire with a boost.
The Nexus is a very open platform with amazing community support and having owned two, I regret nothing. This phone is amazing.

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Tough situation. You have to realize that at some point, the trigger has to be pulled and when it is, another device will be coming out. That is just how it works. Look at Apple users...they buy a laptop to find out 6 months later something even better is arriving. Technology never waits, so when you want something, jump on it.
If you are on T-Mobile, you can look at the Desire. If you are interested in Verizon, the Incredible is landing soon which is basically a Desire with a boost.
The Nexus is a very open platform with amazing community support and having owned two, I regret nothing. This phone is amazing.
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+infinity!!!!

I have good battery life now with some setting changes in custom rom I run. I have the extended battery so the feeling is comfortable for 1 hand texting. I still have and toy with my G1 but when I leave the house the I have the N1. I wouldn't trade my N1 for any phone out. It took me a few days to get adjusted to not having the physical keyboard but the size of the screen really make it easy. I just didn't get it when I had a mytouch. These are just a few of my options.

Definitely get a Nexus. Like deprecate said, technology will keep moving. You just gotta take the plunge. Battery life has been decent for me but that is most probably cause mine is still a brand new battery. Once it's broken in a little, it should be good.
The processor is ridiculously amazing. Things just work, and work very fast. Trust me, once you use the Nexus for a day and try to go back to G1/Dream, you will wonder how you lived all this time. The HTC Desire Rom for Nexus is actually very good if you like Sense. It also has Flash Player Lite if you're into that. Cyan's Rom, of course, gets better all the time. Honestly there aren't a lot of Rom options yet but that's because there isn't very much that could be improved at this point. Everything just works.
All in all, I say go for it.

the desire seems ok, idk I really might get a nexus I just don't want the battery to suck for a $500+ phone.

Well you gotta be reasonable. It has a 1ghz processor. The thing is gonna be a bit of a juice monkey no matter what. There are undervolted kernels available that help with battery life though.

After a month playing with my rooted N1 (previously had a iphone 3g) i can only say: Wow, this beast is fast. You can multi-task, load custom ROMs, browse fast and soon we will have flash support. Battery life is accetable, so great performance with a so thin design is acceptable. And android is a powerfull and flexible OS. Im very happy with my nexus1.
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I went through the same thought process as well before buying my Nexus One. The thing that really sold me was the fact that I have a few friends with Android phones and they all seem pretty frustrated that they see all these new Android releases coming out and their phones remain stuck at 1.5. Since the N1 is Google's showcase phone it's pretty much a given that it will always get timely updates to the latest version of Android. I don't think you can say the same for ANY other Android phone (a lot even have boot loaders that can't be unlocked like the Milestone and Rogers HTC Magic) and I doubt any that might come out in the next few months will be that lucky either. Plus this thing is just mind blowing fast.
I came from an iPhone 3G so initially I was slightly disappointed with the touchscreen (it doesn't reject spurious input from fingers and palms that might wrap around the phone) and the less than stellar reception. Every time I put my hand on lower part of the phone and see 2-3 bars of reception disappear I feel shame.
Coming from a Magic I doubt I would ever notice this because these problems exist in those phones too as I believe it uses the same touchscreen and the radio placement is identical.
As for battery life, I actually get pretty good life now that my usage has settled down.

For the Battery if you run one of the UV kernels as well as setcpu with profiles. Also do some of the main things you do with your Mytouch like turn off wifi, GPS, screen brightness to low, only use 3G when you need it other wise leave it on Edge, as well as the many other battery saving ideas. You should should get great battery life. I can go about 16 hours of ok usage and have about 50 to 60% battery life left. Check my Sig for what i am running. Over all i paid full price for my N1 and i am love with phone in every way.

[Q] EVO vs Epic?

So I've seen a few of these threads, but neither were really much help. I'm either already eligible or will soon be eligible for an upgrade, and I'm really thinking about getting either the Epic or the Evo. The Evo is a big contender, just because it's made by HTC and the camera is better, from what I've seen (haven't really seen video/pics from the Epic yet. Basically, the only thing I'm really hoping for is better battery life than I'm currently getting with my Hero (probably won't see the need to overclock whichever phone I get, I'll underclock it a bit if anything, I'm happy with the speed of my Hero at 629mhz).
So basically, it comes down to:
Price: which is cheaper, where can I get the best deal? 2 year extension, and my price *should* be the same as the new customer pricing.
Battery Life: will it be better than the 6 hours or so I get with my Hero?
CM6 availability: I'll probably stick with this ROM, I love it so much on my Hero.
camera: is the Epic's camera better than my Hero's? Also, this isn't completely about MP, since it's the actual quality of the sensor that makes the difference. Do either/both have an LED flash?
form factor: I have no problem with a device being completely touch-based, but from what I've seen/experienced with the Epic, I really like the keyboard.
known issues: what issues are known for each device? I know of GPS with the Epic, but are there any issues to keep an eye out for on the Evo?
HTC vs Samsung: I got the Hero over the Moment simply because despite the Moment's better specs, the Hero just "felt" better. How does the slider on the Epic feel? Sturdy? This isnt something I've really seen in reviews. Overall build quality of the phone? Any crazy Hero-esque dust issues with either phone? I also have seen some chipping/peeling of paint on my phone, any wear issues with either phone?
futureproofing: what's the life span of each phone look like? I know the Evo is probably coming up on EOL, and I've heard rumors of an Evo 2 for a while.
Hopefully we can keep this fairly unbiased, but I'm sure I'll get some people saying that one is better just because of whatever, but I'm hoping that I'll get some flat out opinions from both sides of the fence.

Really Me would be EVO. I can't bring myself to trust samsung anymore..
Who cares bout the life span anymore. I mean hell new phones come out everyday.etc.
I mean If you got the EVO right now. will It be underpowered this time next year? Doubt it.

I have an Evo, but I'll keep this as unbiased as I can. I know hardly anything about the Epic.
1.The Evo is $50 cheaper than the Epic with a two year contract.
2. Runing CM6, I get about eighteen hours of total on time, and six and a half with the screen on (texting, web browsing, all that). I'm a pretty heavy user. However, the Evo is infamous for its bad battery life in reviews and such. I never had any problems, and most of the battery issues had to do with the phone not sleeping or account syncs eating up the battery. I don't make any compromises (like keeping 3G off or turning my syncs off) to get the numbers I listed. I don't know anything about the Epic's battery.
3. CM6 RC1 is available for the Evo. The dev support is really strong. Epic doesn't have much dev support from what I've heard.
4. The Evo's camera isn't very good. It shoots 720p video, but with the stock Sense ROM (and custom Sense ROMs) it's only good quality with plenty of light. The general consensus is that the code written for the camera isn't very good.
5. This is completely opinion. I know there are times when a physical keyboard would be nice, but I have no problems with an onscreen keyboard and Swype.
6. The Evo had screen separation issues and light leak issues, but they weren't widespread and Sprint will fix you up if you run into one of those things. I didn't.
7. This is the same reason I chose the Evo over the Epic. It just felt better, for whatever reason. The build quality is very good on the Evo. My only problem with the phone's design is that the battery cover is pretty thin. It gives slightly when you put pressure on it.The screen and the rest of the phone is solid. I've heard some people complain about dust under the screen. I've had my Evo since August and haven't had that issue.
8. Not sure. I know that there have been rumours about some dual-core phones hitting the market in Q1/Q2 2011, but I can't see myself needing anything other than my Evo until then.
I hope that helps. I don't know a whole lot about the Epic. I know that the screen is fantastic, but the dev support isn't that great and to me, the Evo just feels better. I'm not an HTC fanboy or anything - if somebody took my Evo and gave me an Epic, I'm sure I wouldn't be too upset.

I agree, it'd be an evo for me, not a huge samsung/physical keyboard fan myself

The Epic has a gorgeous screen Super AMOLED, a 1GHZ Hummingbird processor and a surprisingly thin form-factor for a slider. The hummingbird is a very fast processor--anecdotally it runs way better than the snapdragon. Despite all these goodies, it is a Samsung and I'm done with them. My Samsung Moment was a big disappointment of glitches and radio/data lock-ups, rebooting, freezes, etc.
The Evo would be my preferred device, but I'm waiting until March next year (at the latest) to see what comes up.
No matter what, I'm staying with sprint.

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The Epic has a gorgeous screen Super AMOLED, a 1GHZ Hummingbird processor and a surprisingly thin form-factor for a slider. The hummingbird is a very fast processor--anecdotally it runs way better than the snapdragon. Despite all these goodies, it is a Samsung and I'm done with them. My Samsung Moment was a big disappointment of glitches and radio/data lock-ups, rebooting, freezes, etc.
The Evo would be my preferred device, but I'm waiting until March next year (at the latest) to see what comes up.
No matter what, I'm staying with sprint.
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That's my dilemma too. I have noticed that the Epic seems to be smoother/faster than the Evo, and it feels okay, but I heard a bunch of horror stories about the Moment, and Samsung in general to some extent.

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That's my dilemma too. I have noticed that the Epic seems to be smoother/faster than the Evo, and it feels okay, but I heard a bunch of horror stories about the Moment, and Samsung in general to some extent.
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Honestly this is a decision you have to make on your own. What you want. If I had an upgrade right now I would pass due to lack of phones I want (mytouch4g for sprint). If I had to choose though right now between evo and samsung epic, hands down evo. Samsung support sucks of all the devices they made read up on the behold 2. They got it bad. This is pretty much a continuing thing with samsung. If you like cyanogen it's already got support on the evo. The evo is kinda big though like a tablet (damn I'm thinking about android tablets again). Basically only reason I would choose evo is it's support base. I don't get lured in by prettyness (is that a word?). Real support can make or break a phone in my opinion. Story time ...
once upon a time I was with at&t bought an unlocked windows mobile phone from overpriced.com. AT&T wouldn't give me the mms settings (even though the phone was sold at at&t stores) and couldn't find them online. I tried and tried and eventually figured out at&t wasn't for me. They made my phone useless. Not much of a story.
Also samsung doesn't officially have drivers for windows 64. Try and find them. I've got them now due to looking all over the place don't believe me? Go through that mess samsung calls a website.
Sorry I really don't like samsung. I have really good reasons though

boiker said:
The Epic has a gorgeous screen Super AMOLED, a 1GHZ Hummingbird processor and a surprisingly thin form-factor for a slider. The hummingbird is a very fast processor--anecdotally it runs way better than the snapdragon. Despite all these goodies, it is a Samsung and I'm done with them. My Samsung Moment was a big disappointment of glitches and radio/data lock-ups, rebooting, freezes, etc.
The Evo would be my preferred device, but I'm waiting until March next year (at the latest) to see what comes up.
No matter what, I'm staying with sprint.
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Yup, same with me, I want dual core!!!

to comment on your worry about the phone being underpowered in a year, think of it like this... Unless someone comes up with a new battery that literally revolutionizes the way we power portable electronics, you are going to suffer greatly from anything much faster than a 1ghz, and id even argue that that is too overpowered for what the battery can handle. sure a 1.5 ghz dual core processor sounds all well and good on paper, but its gonna get to the point that your "cell phone" is a land line that can come off the charger for a short period of time if you need it to. Also, keep in mind (as already posted), a new phone literally pops up every other week. No matter how long you wait for the next great phone, there will always be the speculation of yet another phone.
The question also leads me to ask people what in the world are they doing on their phone that they need a 1.5 ghz processor!? i have a hero overclocked slightly running cm6.1 stable, and its plently fast. there has NEVER been a time with my hero that I have been in a position that if i could access something 2 seconds quicker that it would have had even the slightest impact on my task at hand.
Personally, I would go with the Evo, simply bc the development seems to be significantly better for it. from samsungs past, you arent going to get many updates in any type of timely fashion, so if you want the newest OS, thats gonna mean looking to the dev's, and at the current time, its nowhere near on par with that of the Evo
I know i didnt really answer too many of your specific questions, but i think they are still good points to keep in mind

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to comment on your worry about the phone being underpowered in a year, think of it like this... Unless someone comes up with a new battery that literally revolutionizes the way we power portable electronics, you are going to suffer greatly from anything much faster than a 1ghz, and id even argue that that is too overpowered for what the battery can handle. sure a 1.5 ghz dual core processor sounds all well and good on paper, but its gonna get to the point that your "cell phone" is a land line that can come off the charger for a short period of time if you need it to. Also, keep in mind (as already posted), a new phone literally pops up every other week. No matter how long you wait for the next great phone, there will always be the speculation of yet another phone.
The question also leads me to ask people what in the world are they doing on their phone that they need a 1.5 ghz processor!? i have a hero overclocked slightly running cm6.1 stable, and its plently fast. there has NEVER been a time with my hero that I have been in a position that if i could access something 2 seconds quicker that it would have had even the slightest impact on my task at hand.
Personally, I would go with the Evo, simply bc the development seems to be significantly better for it. from samsungs past, you arent going to get many updates in any type of timely fashion, so if you want the newest OS, thats gonna mean looking to the dev's, and at the current time, its nowhere near on par with that of the Evo
I know i didnt really answer too many of your specific questions, but i think they are still good points to keep in mind
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Forget battery life if I have a 1.5 GHz dual core phone

chawski said:
i have a hero overclocked slightly running cm6.1 stable...
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When did that (CM 6.1 stable) come out?

something like three weeks ago? 10/28

Opinion...
first of all....i would probably get an Evo before epic, but what i noticed in the thread was...well a lot of people are trying to compare the moment and epic(i had moment and i'm done with samsung)i just dont think its right....
i mean...it is the same thing to compare hero and evo...
there's just no comparison....

SirRipo said:
something like three weeks ago? 10/28
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Technically, it's RC... isn't it? I mean, it is stable enough for everyday use... but still.

andythegreenguy said:
Technically, it's RC... isn't it? I mean, it is stable enough for everyday use... but still.
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Correct.
Also, Epic still doesn't have a date for 2.2, ouch.

andythegreenguy said:
Technically, it's RC... isn't it? I mean, it is stable enough for everyday use... but still.
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Yeh, if you are being technical. But typically that's what's referred to as the "stable" build.

get whatever makes u happy.lol
If I was still with sprint I would pass on both. since i dont want to pay 10 bucks extra a month.. Sprint needs something like the incredible.. but without 4g.. but its either pay extra for the evo or epic or the hero. cause honestly wouldnt mess with those budget androids on sprint..
Just remember most if not all HTC androids will have better support than samsung or lg etc.. not to mention You will find way more cases and battery options with HTC too.

i was in the exact same boat as op. i went and played with both for about an hour. the choice was clearly Evo

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Yup, same with me, I want dual core!!!
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I'm with you. Just hope I don't have to wait too much past Jan/Feb for it. I'm eligible for an upgrade 12/1, but I know there's some great new hardware coming soon!

get an evo my friend. the epic is only for people who need a keyboard. the screen on the epic is awesome but i think the evo has more development and roms. best phone ive purchased soo far is my evo.

do all you D3 owners Still like your D3?

im debating switching to the D3 from my Inc2. i love the devlopment of the Inc2, but i miss a Physical keyboard...allot...
do you still love/hate yours? looking for opinions on D3 owners...
Thanks

dvigue said:
im debating switching to the D3 from my Inc2. i love the devlopment of the Inc2, but i miss a Physical keyboard...allot...
do you still love/hate yours? looking for opinions on D3 owners...
Thanks
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I still love my D3 despite the "sticking" keys, finicky battery life, and failed Alt key presses that cause me to type things like "dualvcore processor." From what I've read, a leaked update fixed all of these issue and that leak may be released shortly.
Sent from my DROID3 using xda premium

i also was a little concered with the low RAM..is that an issue for anyone?

I like it a lot better now than when I first got it. The screen will always suck, but I'll live.

why does it suck? the pentile display you mean?

Silly question.
-smc

Yes, enjoying my D3 tremendously. I still have my old Droid and that phone now frustrates me with how slow (even overclocked) it is in overall use.
As for the screen, love the screen. I can actually use my phone outside in full sunlight/daylight conditions.

I came from my old Droid as well. I agree even overclocked, it just didn't have the hardware to run 2.3 very well. I love my new Droid 3, its got everything I liked about the original only better. The few quirks in the phone now I don't worry about, they'll all hopefully be fixed via updates. The only thing that has me concerned at this point is the whether we'll be able to get what we need to unlock this thing to get custom rom's going. After running Cyanogen and cyanogen based roms for years, going to any stock phone just seems bland. I've made my decision to stick with the D3 and see were it goes (if they unlock it like they alluded that they would), but for me it'll be a deciding factor as to whether I buy a Moto phone in the future or not.

Lemme break it down, moto cliq robbed me of the android Xperience, ran like crap, was promised and update that never appeared, and overheated like a mother! So I upgrade to Mytouch slide for a couple days, felt cheap, screen sucked, and wasn't much of an upgrade to my cliq as the cliq felt more solid and ran just as good when deblurred and Overclocked. So finally I upgraded to SGS Vibrant. I loved it! It was practically unbrickable! Unfortunately Samsung was slow to give updates or support. To have upgrades or updates of merit came with a heavy cost of potentially killing the phone. RFS filesystem sucked and made it run way slow compared to EXT3/4 filesystem phones and required a filesystem conversion (dangerous) ! And of course swype is nice, but in my hands a hardware keyboard is better.
Now for the D3, THE ONLY DUAL-CORE TI-ARM proc, with KEYBOARD, Front Facing Camera, 8MP 1080p Rear Camera with LED flash, mini-HDMI port, SGX540 video card (same as SGS Vibrant, but evidently better scores), great battery life (after update), with guarantees of updates and upgrades on the best service provider in the US! And Moto has given promise to unlock bootloaders.
Needless to say, I love my D3. Its the best phone I have EVAR had and it has crazy potential. Can't wait to OC this thing, deblur it and turn it into the android power hungry demon that it was meant to be!

Great posts guys...Keep em coming!!!!

Darksurf said:
Needless to say, I love my D3. Its the best phone I have EVAR had and it has crazy potential.
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Indeed.
Can't wait to OC this thing, deblur it and turn it into the android power hungry demon that it was meant to be!
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I cannot wait for the day that we can run vanilla android! I'm already tired of moto blurs Grey-blue, blueish-grey, grey, cyan colored theme.

The Droid 3 exceeds on almost every one of my criteria. I love everything about it except for two things. The awful screen and the Motorola crud. Thankfully there's something that can be done about the later. The former is just a sad decision on Motorola's part. It would have been absolutely wonderful if they just increased the size because even though it has a higher resolution, the droid 2 and 1 still beat it out in terms of clarity. Pathetic. Everything else is upgraded but the screen is downgraded. That's all I have to say.

I love my D3, and I work hard every day to make it even better.

I came from the OG Droid, which I loved dearly until it started to physically fall apart (battery door started getting loose, USB jack was almost unusable, headphone jack started shorting out), at which point I then reimaged my wife's OG Droid (that she retired for an iPhone 4) with my nand backup, thus successfully performing the proverbial "brain transplant". I used that phone for a few months, just long enough to get me to the D3 release.
I was originally waiting on the Bionic, but (a) I got tired of waiting, (b) I didn't want to put up with the notorious LTE battery life issues that were seen on other devices and (c) I wasn't too keen on the $100 premium I was sure would be included in the Bionic price tag (as will all the other newly-launched VZW LTE devices). So, I came to love the D3 and picked one up at lauch via web order.
I LOVE this phone. The keyboard is clearly in a class of its own (better than my old Blackberries, which are generally considered the "gold standard" of mobile keyboards). I'm OK with the Moto BLUR (or whatever they call it now) stuff on there, but I really don't use it. I gave the homescreen a try for a while, but missed the scrolling dock from Laucher Pro+, so I went back to LP+ recently.
The phone has always been fast enough for me (no more disappointment from my overclocked, overly-warm, OG Droid that still can't run heavy stuff smoothly). I was never really concerned about the RAM size, and it hasn't been a problem for me. Now that my D3 is rooted and I've frozen on the bloatware, even more RAM stays available, the phone runs even faster and the battery life improved, marginally.
Ultimately, battery life was the only thing I was a bit disappointed about on this phone. I instaleld the leaked update and now that has been fixed to my satisfaction. So, overall, I am quite happy with this phone. As long as the hardware holds up, I'll likely be keeping this one full-term.
-SR-
PS: I even like the floppy plastic battery cover that some people complain about. I just enjoy messing with it, for some reason. I think I like how it fits so well when I snap it back on, and the texture is good in the hand. Call me crazy (you wouldn't be the first).

dvigue said:
im debating switching to the D3 from my Inc2. i love the devlopment of the Inc2, but i miss a Physical keyboard...allot...
do you still love/hate yours? looking for opinions on D3 owners...
Thanks
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My DROID3 seems more awesome everytime I use it. GO PENS!

Yes, I very much love my Droid 3. The keyboard is out standing and I have not had any problems with sticking keys or missed alt presses whatsoever. The screen can look **** some times but as stated before it does view well in sunlight so I guess it's a trade off. The phone is very fast and responsive. Stock launcher looks awesome and has great widgets, but it's laggy. It flies with ADW. All in all, I just want AOSP Gingerbread/Ice Cream Sandwich and I'm good to go.

I'm getting bionic envy with the larger screen and LTE but in the end, I like the keyboard so I know the D3 is the right phone for me.

Before root and OTA? No
After root and OTA? Yes
Why? Purely because of the obvious bugs that went out that weren't properly QC'ed (serious, serious problem with almost all carriers and mfg's these days), poor battery life, and too much of Verizon's forced bloat that should be uninstallable.
Post OTA,battery life is great, performance is snappier and even better when rooted and freezing the bulk of bloat ware.

I started on the OG Droid the day it was released. Then when the Droid 2 came out, I upgraded to that. I now own the Droid 3, and I can honestly say that they pretty much got it right this time. If it was Blur-less, it would be the perfect phone.
I've since rooted to remove all the crap, and put Go Launcher on it. Now it really performs the way it should, and the battery performance has been night and day since I made those changes.
I'm pretty happy with it right now.

dvigue said:
i also was a little concered with the low RAM..is that an issue for anyone?
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Tiny ram is a pain only because the bloatware fills it up. If the phone were running AOSP, it would fly.

[Q] Moving on...(GNexus vs One S)

So I'm finally getting around to moving on. As much as I love my Nexus One, I'm in need of a new phone and with the deals coming up I don't know what to get. Being a "even more plus customer" (or whatever they call it now) I don't get those nice phone discounts so everything is relatively expensive. I have to buy it at full price
Today I saw the Galaxy Nexus was on sale for $400 which is really tempting. I know how great a phone it is, but its a little on the big side for me (ha). Then I saw Tmo's $100 trade in value and thought about using that to get a One S for $500.
The things that keep me away from the One S are that there is no removable battery, the possibility of bugs on the first release, and a locked boot loader. But it's such a beautiful device with an amazing camera that it's hard to resist. Money isn't really a big deal, but its a factor I'm considering. I could do a bit more with that $100.
Anyone else that has moved on, what made you switch?
Any recommendations about which phone to get or input in general would be great!
TL;DR: Need new phone, Galaxy Nexus or One S?
(not sure if this is in the right section, hope it is..)

no removable battery is a stopper for me
did you handle the dummy or do you have a working one where you are. the dummy was alot longer than wide. kinda like the n1 but an inch longer, or so it looked and felt. i didn't like it.
why not wait a couple weeks and see about the ssg3

rugmankc said:
no removable battery is a stopper for me
did you handle the dummy or do you have a working one where you are. the dummy was alot longer than wide. kinda like the n1 but an inch longer, or so it looked and felt. i didn't like it.
why not wait a couple weeks and see about the ssg3
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I used a dummy, I liked how it felt, but you brought up a good point. I should probably try the real thing.
I was considering the S3 but I'm concerned it's gonna take longer than I'd like to get to the U.S. and be too expensive. The deals to me were the reason I wanted to buy a new phone. Are you considering the S3?

I just came from a nexus one and went with the gnex. I absolutely love it. Removable battery and it being a nexus are the winning factors to me. Being a nexus and able to type 6 or so lines of text to flash the stock image and root with files straight from google are big factors for me. The phone is smooth as hell. The other ones will be tainted with sense and Samsung garbage.it is quite wide but I'm getting used to it quickly, after two days I can just about use the phone fully with one hand.

i am looking at the ssg3 or galaxy note, but fed up with tmo slow speeds in my area, Dayton Oh, and still stuck on a 2 year contract. I get .5 to 2mb most of the time. My wishes are dl speed at +5mb minimum, good signal strength at my house and work, 4.5 inch screen or bigger. I will root for apps and nandroid but may not continue flashing as these new phones have it all now--for me at least--
I posted on another thread getting 10-13mb dl with gnex on verizon at store, i know in two years most carriers will be lte capable, so the speeds are coming

yeah, i noticed a little bit of a service bump with the hspda+ on att in some spots in my area getting about 6mb down 2mb up where it used to be 3mb max on the n1. im perfectly fine with that amount of bandwidth, i dont need my phone to have the same service level of throughput as my home internet and chew through my battery. i wish the carriers could improve on the response time / ping now, who cares about bandwidth, its all marketing hype. give me a 22ms ping with 3mb down, not 300ms ping with 15mb...

those speeds would be acceptable to me for now, as in two more years we may see perfection on smartphones for most of us. as i have time maybe someone in the dayton area will get the unlocked version and post tmobile speeds here--

If you're fond of plain Android or CM - get Galaxy Nexus.
If you're one of those who flash Sense/MIUI on your N1 for functionality, and prefer it over plain Android - get One S.
There was already such a thread that I participated in, you can find my opinion there. Personally I can't stand plain Android for the reasons I laid out many times, and dislike ICS design.

Jack_R1 said:
If you're fond of plain Android or CM - get Galaxy Nexus.
If you're one of those who flash Sense/MIUI on your N1 for functionality, and prefer it over plain Android - get One S.
There was already such a thread that I participated in, you can find my opinion there. Personally I can't stand plain Android for the reasons I laid out many times, and dislike ICS design.
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Yeah, I found your thread. You bring up a good point about the development, but I feel either way I'll be okay. I do like my stock ICS, but I'm curious to see how the new sense is, maybe give it a chance. Although, I saw a development of Sense, Blur, and Touchwiz ports over in the Galaxy Nexus form. Made me think twice...
I tried to go to the t-mobile store and use a One S today, but they were closed by the time I got there D: Hopefully I'll be able to get my hands on one soon.

One S is better then GNex in most ways but development. Built quality is amazing, screen is very nice, camera and camera app are also super. but right now you just cant do much with the phone besides running Sense....there are no 100% functioning ROMs or any mods YET.
I say screen quality is better on One S in terms of colors, but Gnex is very sharp and resolution is 720p
I have One S and thinking about trading for Gnex because I just hate sitting on stock ROM and waiting....but I am not 100% sure yet
The is just one flaw in One S design, the cool notification light is very cool, but its not visible from the sides.

/nod.
Just handed back the OneS. Until there's some decent Roms, the existing Sense stuff is very annoying. The camera on it is VERY impressive, build quality great too. Screen, same brightness as Nexus One (ie, very clear), but not /that/ bump up in rez. When there's some decent roms for it, I'd jump in and enjoy it, but for now, there's a lot that'll annoy you.