Hi, I'm only a couple days into owning the Nook HD+, really happy with it but sort of working on trying to get my performance a bit better. It's just a little sluggish. I'm currently on the latest official CM Nightlies (cm-11-20140617-NIGHTLY-ovation.zip)
It's about 80% usable but just slow enough that I'm considering flashing a new ROM. So far, I've turned on ART, set processor to ONDEMAND and I/O Scheduler to NOOP, as well as turning off animations and anything I can to get better response. Honestly, it's almost fine.. I'm just a little obsessive with tweaking. And it is pretty obviously slower than my Galaxy S4.
First question is, are most people using a slow CM11 or did I screw up? I had a few hiccups on my CM11 install at first, is it possible I did something then or now to cause the slow performance? Even the CM boot animation is slowww. I could factory reset, wipe dalvik cache etc and reflash my same CM11 Nightly to see if a fresh start is better.
Secondly:
Some people recommend 'Succulent' builds
Some people recommend 10.1.3 Stable
There are also Unofficial 10.2.1 Builds and even Carbon ROM
I would start flashing away myself, but I already spent some time setting up my apps & accounts & blah blah on my current ROM and I'd like to only do it all over again if I really know it's gonna help. Do we think CM11 is gonna get better quickly with each new Nightly and Milestone?
Can any seasoned Nook Warrior help guide me down the path of enlightenment? My performance is not great but it's usable. I'd love to have KitKat on this device but if it really just won't fly I'm OK with 4.3 or 4.2 if it means I can have the tablet of my dreams. Help me XDA, you're my only hope.
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edit: Since I got no responses here (what the deal, XDA?), I am starting to just go through the ROMs I linked myself to see how they perform. Just did a full wipe & restore to flash the 'Succulent' 28APR2014 Build. There is an immediate difference in that the CM boot animation is correct now, and not laggy and ****ed. This gave me a lot of hope, however after setting it up & messing around a bit, it's not quite as drastic a change as the animation. A bit faster, a bit better, not perfect. Gonna give it a day or two of use then probably try 10.2.
I'd be surprised if you saw significant performance differences between ROMs. They are all based on pretty much the same code after all. Although the Antutu benchmark results for my HD were about 10% better with CM 10.x.x than with the B&N software, I could detect no real world difference.
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lmacmil said:
I'd be surprised if you saw significant performance differences between ROMs. They are all based on pretty much the same code after all. Although the Antutu benchmark results for my HD were about 10% better with CM 10.x.x than with the B&N software, I could detect no real world difference.
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hey thank you for the reply! so far I'm pretty much settled with the 'Succulent' ROM. I'm surprised there wouldn't be a big jump in performance going back to 10.2.x or 10.1.x- wouldn't those be much less demanding on the hardware? that's what I had assumed anyway.
either way, I will probably stick with this ROM for now.
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hey thank you for the reply! so far I'm pretty much settled with the 'Succulent' ROM. I'm surprised there wouldn't be a big jump in performance going back to 10.2.x or 10.1.x- wouldn't those be much less demanding on the hardware? that's what I had assumed anyway.
either way, I will probably stick with this ROM for now.
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Actually Google did a ton of work to make KitKat run in less ram so it should be bit smoother than earlier versions.
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Actually Google did a ton of work to make KitKat run in less ram so it should be bit smoother than earlier versions.
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Wow, great to know! I will definitely try to stay on CM11 now. the Succulent build is pretty great. I'd say I'm happy.
I am pretty happy with his build as well it makes good use of the hardware. The Nook will never be as smooth as an iPad but for the price it is a great tablet.
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I am pretty happy with his build as well it makes good use of the hardware. The Nook will never be as smooth as an iPad but for the price it is a great tablet.
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Yep, pretty much this. Although mine actually is equal to or a bit better than the GF's 1st gen ipad. Shame is she can't go back to an earlier iOS or install a custom ROM. so a physically perfect device is bordeline unusable because of apple policy. such a shame.
80% usable?
I don't know how one quantifies usability, but I had no complaints using CM 10.2.1. It's even faster using CM 11 6/15 and on. I'd say mine is 100% usable.
(You are on emmc, right?)
I use two apps for usability "benchmarking." The first is Garmin Pilot. There's a menu that pops up for map overlays that takes time to display. The closer to real time, the more usable the ROM. There's about a half second delay.
The other "app" I've started using to gauge usability is APPS in Settings. It used to be on CM 10.2.1 that it took a second or two to populate the Running applications. Now, in CM 11, the Running apps populate almost immediately after swiping. Can't get much faster than that.
FWIW, AnTuTu benchmarks at about 13660. (Hotplug, deadline, 512Kb cache using SD-Booster. Dalvik.)
I wonder if you need to run trim manually? I noticed my browser slowing down last month and used Lagfree. Browser sped back up.
Or perhaps do a /system wipe and reinstall? I've had leftovers in /system before.
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FWIW, AnTuTu benchmarks at about 13660. (Hotplug, deadline, 512Kb cache using SD-Booster. Dalvik.)
I wonder if you need to run trim manually? I noticed my browser slowing down last month and used Lagfree. Browser sped back up.
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I have 3 Antutu data points for my HD. Stock: 12697, 10.1.3: 13234, 10.2.1: 13713. I know Antutu isn't 100% repeatable so it may be that the 10.1 and the 10.2 numbers aren't really different but they are both definitely faster than stock firmware. I saw similar improvements on my wife's HD+.
I thought trim was built-in from 4.3 on?
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I have 3 Antutu data points for my HD. Stock: 12697, 10.1.3: 13234, 10.2.1: 13713. I know Antutu isn't 100% repeatable so it may be that the 10.1 and the 10.2 numbers aren't really different but they are both definitely faster than stock firmware. I saw similar improvements on my wife's HD+.
I thought trim was built-in from 4.3 on?
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Seems like we're in the same ballpark benchmarkwise.
Yes, I've read that trim was built into the ROM. But I don't know when it triggers (daily, weekly, monthly) while charging. All I know is that, last week, while still on 10.2.1, my browser got really slow. So I used lagfix and the browser sped back up.
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Yes, I've read that trim was built into the ROM. But I don't know when it triggers (daily, weekly, monthly) while charging. All I know is that, last week, while still on 10.2.1, my browser got really slow. So I used lagfix and the browser sped back up.
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I used lagfix when I was on 10.1.3 but never really noticed any difference.
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I have been running the official cm11 m4 build on art for about 3 months now and am very satisfied with the performance. In all this time, I have only had a couple of random reboots.
I have not tried succulent's build, so can't compare, but am happy with my hd+.
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Hi,
So I got my note4 about a month ago and I can def say that I wasn't too happy after I got it.
It was sluggish(coming from Nexus5) , didn't last too much and frankly overall it didn't feel like the premium device I wanted to get after spending all my money on it. Started thinking that I should of gotten instead maybe the Iphone 6, LG3 or Nexus 6.
However after a few tweaks my phone has started to perform not less then excellent. There's no more lag(not even a bit in the interface/apps or anything..there's non including on the recent apps tab) and the battery life literally lasts for at least a day and a half as it supposed to be(usually get 5 SOT, guess more if I would of turned the brightness down). In general what I've done was to(or what I'm doing when I install a new ROM):
- disable DVFS through wanam and exposed
- install nova launcher
- debloat the device completely of unnecessary apps (pesonally i've used app master, great app to easily get rid of system app)
-install a custom kernel and Underclock and Undervolt- this is an important note: we don't really need a clock speed of 2.7 for anything else but benchmarks. it is a bit ridiculous when you understand how it works. so yeah, when I benchmark I OC to 2.8 put performance governor and get my 50K on antutu but on your day to day usage there is really no need, and in fact no lag -at all- when you underclock to something like 1.7 for example. why on earth do some people OC to 2.8 when they use fb most of the time? and if its for games, well I ran some intensive games and still didn't had any lag whatsoever.
- betterbatterystats & greenify : the ultimate combination - check whats your alarms.. and just disable them. on an average night I think I lose about maybe 2% of battery if not less. when my phone deep sleeps, it sleeps like a charm(and exposed modul ''amplify'' is a great addition too).
- disabled almost all of the apps that were booting up on startup, used exposed module boot manager to do it.
I hope this input of my personal experience will help anyone there that feels like I felt when I bought the phone. Other then that, you are more then welcomed to input your own tweaks and how you got the phone to react like you want it to
mine is not rooted, but its superfast, no lags, and the battery is amazingly good
I've been undecided between the note and nexus 6, mainly due to the reported lag on the note 4. This has given me a bit more confidence to go with the note
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I've been undecided between the note and nexus 6, mainly due to the reported lag on the note 4. This has given me a bit more confidence to go with the note
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the last time i used samsung when i first bought the first galaxy tab way back 2011! believe me that thing was the worst ever gadget i ever bought!
i told myself not to buy any samsung tablet and phones! after hearing horrible stories about touchwiz from all galaxy s series. Untill i have decided to go back to samsung through the galaxy note 4!!!
this monster made me a samsung believer again, i never experienced any statter or lag, this thing is a monster! fast and responsive, lots of useful features
like the multi window or the multitasking, s pen features and not to forget the crystal clear picture quality of the camera.
and mind you! the touchwiz launcher is more faster than the 3rd party launcher ive ever used!!!
and lastly you can disable those preinstalled apps!
Is your model the snap or exynos?
What's this DVFS and what Kernel did you install?
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Is your model the snap or exynos?
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SD, but it really doesn't matter. when both handsets get almost 50k on antutu both of them will obv perform well
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What's this DVFS and what Kernel did you install?
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flashed AEL 4.3 and Echo rom. would advise you to google regarding Samsungs DVFS as of course I'm not responsible to anything that you are doing with your device and you should know what you are doing
Mine's a SD version too, and as tal123 I run Echo rom on ael 4.3 kernel. However, I have not done any of the other tweaks tal has and mine is as smooth as they get. It kinda sad though tha sammy ships a premium phone with software that makes lag and stutter. Installing echo/ael made the day for me. It was ok on stock but this is heaven.
So I'm fairly new to the Nexus 6, but I have had a Nexus 5 in the past (More recently coming from a Zenfone 2)..I've noticed that while applications open fairly quick on Marshmallow (Even the system UI is fairly smooth), I get a lot lag and jank in scrolling, and applications that work well on my girlfriend's 5x have poor performance on my 6.
Can anyone else relate to this? Apps like Pintrest, Instagram, Tumblr, Ebay, Amazon all aren't as smooth as they should be, and sometimes web browsing can be horrendous (Almost like a touch delay when scrolling).
I've tried clean wipes, flashed the stock images, tried non-stock roms, different kernels, everything I can think of, but to me, the phone just isnt as smooth as I thought it would be. I get that it's over a year old, but I still expected a bit more.
Am I alone here? Again, the UI itself is fine, its more application based \ scrolling based.
Well, the 6 and 5x have the same GPU, more or less. The 5x GPU is miniaturized, but otherwise identical.
The 5x has a 1920x1080 display, or roughly 2 million pixels.
The 6 has a 2560x1440 display..... 3.7 million pixels.
So, why would you possibly imagine that with the SAME GPU, but nearly TWICE the number of pixels, that the 6 would be able to produce the same graphical performance as the 5x?
*** UNREASONABLE EXPECTATIONS!!!
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So I'm fairly new to the Nexus 6, but I have had a Nexus 5 in the past (More recently coming from a Zenfone 2)..I've noticed that while applications open fairly quick on Marshmallow (Even the system UI is fairly smooth), I get a lot lag and jank in scrolling, and applications that work well on my girlfriend's 5x have poor performance on my 6.
Can anyone else relate to this? Apps like Pintrest, Instagram, Tumblr, Ebay, Amazon all aren't as smooth as they should be, and sometimes web browsing can be horrendous (Almost like a touch delay when scrolling).
I've tried clean wipes, flashed the stock images, tried non-stock roms, different kernels, everything I can think of, but to me, the phone just isnt as smooth as I thought it would be. I get that it's over a year old, but I still expected a bit more.
Am I alone here? Again, the UI itself is fine, its more application based \ scrolling based.
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Have you tried turning off the encryption? When I came from the N5 I noticed the phone was not as smooth as the N5 until I turned the encryption off. Early on it made a big difference as they did not have NEON encryption optimizations enabled. Was that was enabled the difference was small but it is still noticeable to me between haveing the encryption running and not. It is not night and day but I think you will notice it.
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Well, the 6 and 5x have the same GPU, more or less. The 5x GPU is miniaturized, but otherwise identical.
The 5x has a 1920x1080 display, or roughly 2 million pixels.
The 6 has a 2560x1440 display..... 3.7 million pixels.
So, why would you possibly imagine that with the SAME GPU, but nearly TWICE the number of pixels, that the 6 would be able to produce the same graphical performance as the 5x?
*** UNREASONABLE EXPECTATIONS!!!
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I don't think expecting a phone that's a little over a year old, (That was a flagship mind you), to run smoothly is unreasonable. While it's pushing more pixels than the 5x, the processor should be quite similar, along with an extra GB of ram.
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Have you tried turning off the encryption? When I came from the N5 I noticed the phone was not as smooth as the N5 until I turned the encryption off. Early on it made a big difference as they did not have NEON encryption optimizations enabled. Was that was enabled the difference was small but it is still noticeable to me between haveing the encryption running and not. It is not night and day but I think you will notice it.
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I am running a modified stock ROM now that has encryption turned off, and it is a little better, but unfortunately you're right, it's not night and day.
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So I'm fairly new to the Nexus 6, but I have had a Nexus 5 in the past (More recently coming from a Zenfone 2)..I've noticed that while applications open fairly quick on Marshmallow (Even the system UI is fairly smooth), I get a lot lag and jank in scrolling, and applications that work well on my girlfriend's 5x have poor performance on my 6.
Can anyone else relate to this? Apps like Pintrest, Instagram, Tumblr, Ebay, Amazon all aren't as smooth as they should be, and sometimes web browsing can be horrendous (Almost like a touch delay when scrolling).
I've tried clean wipes, flashed the stock images, tried non-stock roms, different kernels, everything I can think of, but to me, the phone just isnt as smooth as I thought it would be. I get that it's over a year old, but I still expected a bit more.
Am I alone here? Again, the UI itself is fine, its more application based \ scrolling based.
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I have none of these issues on my 6
Go in developer options and try to turn off all animation transitions, that improved speed for me
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So I'm fairly new to the Nexus 6, but I have had a Nexus 5 in the past (More recently coming from a Zenfone 2)..I've noticed that while applications open fairly quick on Marshmallow (Even the system UI is fairly smooth), I get a lot lag and jank in scrolling, and applications that work well on my girlfriend's 5x have poor performance on my 6.
Can anyone else relate to this? Apps like Pintrest, Instagram, Tumblr, Ebay, Amazon all aren't as smooth as they should be, and sometimes web browsing can be horrendous (Almost like a touch delay when scrolling).
I've tried clean wipes, flashed the stock images, tried non-stock roms, different kernels, everything I can think of, but to me, the phone just isnt as smooth as I thought it would be. I get that it's over a year old, but I still expected a bit more.
Am I alone here? Again, the UI itself is fine, its more application based \ scrolling based.
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I've had my Nexus for 13 months. (Purchased in February 2015). I've rooted and run various ROMs on the device over the last year. Since I have the Next plan with AT&T I've been planning on upgrading soon so a couple weeks ago I went back to unrooted stock. Since then I've been having the same issues you mention. I don't have a 5x to compare to, but it is definitely lagging a lot more than before. Last night I was trying to view something on Amazon, and it just sat there with a white screen. Many times my keyboard stays floating above the homescreen when I press the "home" softkey, or stays floating after I am done typing in Facebook, messenger etc. It just LAGS big time. Also the battery drain has been horrendous. I've been getting so PO'd at it I've been tempted to go get a Note (GASP!) Last night was the last straw I uninstalled swiftkey (been a avid user for years never an issue) and the CM Locker I had installed so I could have a different lock screen photo (since I'm no longer rooted). I'm giving it 24 hours, and if it is still acting up, I am either re-rooting or upgrading (although there's like NOTHING that I like right now for devices).
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Go in developer options and try to turn off all animation transitions, that improved speed for me
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I just did that. Hopefully that helps with my issue too.
Well, mine is mostly related to the jank when scrolling through applications. The UI, keyboard, ect all works fine. However, The worst is browsing web sites with chrome - I can flick to scroll up and there almost seems to be a second delay sometimes. I've never experienced anything like that before. Also when when using apps such as twitter, amazon, ebay, ect, the scrolling is really bad - Worse than my Zenfone 2.
Again, I've fastboot flash'd the complete stock rom multiple times, tried various kernels\modded roms, ect. They all display this behavior, some worse than others.
I love the size, screen quality, and build of this phone, but for a phone that's last year's Google flagship, I find the performance horrible.
Try turn off animations anyway, you don't have to be rooted, unlocked, yust tap build number 7 times, back to settings/ developer options and put to 0 trazitions, animations,animator..and optionally reboot.
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Well, mine is mostly related to the jank when scrolling through applications. The UI, keyboard, ect all works fine. However, The worst is browsing web sites with chrome - I can flick to scroll up and there almost seems to be a second delay sometimes. I've never experienced anything like that before. Also when when using apps such as twitter, amazon, ebay, ect, the scrolling is really bad - Worse than my Zenfone 2.
Again, I've fastboot flash'd the complete stock rom multiple times, tried various kernels\modded roms, ect. They all display this behavior, some worse than others.
I love the size, screen quality, and build of this phone, but for a phone that's last year's Google flagship, I find the performance horrible.
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Have to say, I have none of those issues as someone else also stated. If it does the same on stock, it might be hardware related. How does the phone behave in recovery? Is scrolling as normal? What recovery are you using? And when you say you went back to stock, did you do a complete factory reset including deleting all your personal data? If so, you can also try re-locking your bootloader and unlocking it and then flash factory image from Google. That will also erase everything off your device, including personal data.
With thousands of people here on XDA using a Nexus 6, your issue seems to be specific to you and your device. Maybe it is a screen/digitizer issue.
Seemed to me the February build was slow and janky but the the March was back to normal performance for me, op didn't state what build you were on. Might be an option
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Seemed to me the February build was slow and janky but the the March was back to normal performance for me, op didn't state what build you were on. Might be an option
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I'm on the March build. I usually fastboot flash every img myself, then do a factory reset in recovery when trying to get back to stock..This time I just used the Flash-All.bat for the March image and I'll do some testing. I doubt this method is the difference, I'm grasping at straws. I'm semi concerned now if no one else is having these issues...Or maybe my expectations are just too high.
Perhaps I'll try a screen recording app and see if I can capture what I'm running into. It's not all apps, and it's not all the time, but its definitely noticeable.
you're not alone. i recently picked up a ZTE zmax 2 and did a side by side app load speed test. the ZTE zmax 2 loaded up youtube noticeably faster, had thumbnails faster, and played faster when clicking play. the zmax 2 is a midrange ATT phone with Snapdragon 410, 2gb ram, 720p screen. it costs $99 at best buy today..
I've noticed this too between my Nexus 6 (purchased 4/2015) and my wife's Nexus 6 (purchased 10/2015). Hers is noticeably smoother.
I do have occasional screen tearing on mine when I use certain kernel/ROMs, so maybe it's janky hardware.
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I know the frustration, for me it is kernel related, but we cant do nothing, we need new device tree by google. I'm really disappointed that g3 has QHD screen with 801 and is smoother than nexus 6 with 805
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I know the frustration, for me it is kernel related, but we cant do nothing, we need new device tree by google. I'm really disappointed that g3 has QHD screen with 801 and is smoother than nexus 6 with 805
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My wifey has a G3 and I can't agree. When she is using my phone, she is always amazed how fluid it is.
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My wifey has a G3 and I can't agree. When she is using my phone, she is always amazed how fluid it is.
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Is your wife g3 on 6.0 marshmellow?
Flashing stock over again really didn't do much for performance. I Did however root it, and increase the GPU clock (Actually set it to performance idles at 300mhz then shoots to 600hmz), and that does seem to help. I can sacrifice battery for better performance in this instance.
Have to agree, at around the end of the day (by 40% battery) my phone slows down. I went pure stock. A quick reboot fixes it. But a tad frustrating
I own both the OnePlus One and the LG G4. I put away my OPO after getting the G4. I love the G4's camera, but I've been disappointed by the stock ROM and its overall lag, disappointing battery life (< 2 hours SOT on average, and I don't do much) and lack of performance. Even basic things like logging in from the lockscreen shows noticeable lag.
I even tried some custom ROMs (based on stock or CM13) and they still have noticeable lag, and battery life isn't that much better. Did I mention the G4 gets hot regardless of ROM? I don't even play games. But when I do google maps for nav, it burns up.
As a test, I went back to my OPO and updated to a CM13 ROM (resurrection) and I'm amazed by how fluid it is. Battery life is also amazing at over 3hours SOT. It doesn't get that hot. The camera is subpar, but overall I like the experience.
I'm not a programmer of any type, but techy enough to flash ROMs.
My question is, why is this the case? The OPO has a 801 while the G4 has a 808 snapdragon. Is it the difference in display resolution, with the G4 pushing more pixels at 2k?
Has anyone successfully flashed any stable ROM that has no lag? If not, I'm looking to just get rid of this phone and keep the OPO.
Thanks in advance.
I have both and feel like the g4 is much faster. If your phone gets too buggy it may be the hardware failing. Happened to me twice.
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I own both the OnePlus One and the LG G4. I put away my OPO after getting the G4. I love the G4's camera, but I've been disappointed by the stock ROM and its overall lag, disappointing battery life (< 2 hours SOT on average, and I don't do much) and lack of performance. Even basic things like logging in from the lockscreen shows noticeable lag.
I even tried some custom ROMs (based on stock or CM13) and they still have noticeable lag, and battery life isn't that much better. Did I mention the G4 gets hot regardless of ROM? I don't even play games. But when I do google maps for nav, it burns up.
As a test, I went back to my OPO and updated to a CM13 ROM (resurrection) and I'm amazed by how fluid it is. Battery life is also amazing at over 3hours SOT. It doesn't get that hot. The camera is subpar, but overall I like the experience.
I'm not a programmer of any type, but techy enough to flash ROMs.
My question is, why is this the case? The OPO has a 801 while the G4 has a 808 snapdragon. Is it the difference in display resolution, with the G4 pushing more pixels at 2k?
Has anyone successfully flashed any stable ROM that has no lag? If not, I'm looking to just get rid of this phone and keep the OPO.
Thanks in advance.
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i dont have OPO but mine on LP rooted i could get 4:30 SOT using facebook app.
on MM stock i got more then 3 hours..
noe on rooted and unlcoed bootloader on MM i can get like 4 hours using facebook app. as for lag i didnt notice any lag on stock roms. with anothe kernel it feels bettter.. from stock rooted stock kernel. i got 69k on antutu now with kernel i ve reached 74k..
OK so a positive update. In my 6 plus years of flashing ROMs, I've never had to wipe the 'internal storage'. But I decided what the heck, and tried it this time. I also did some of the 'resizing' mentioned here by @TURBO2012 (thx!).
http://forum.xda-developers.com/tmobile-g4/development/turbo-cleaning-proceure-h811-t3417606
Then I installed a different cm13 based ROM (Resurrection ROM: http://forum.xda-developers.com/g4/...tion-remix-t3395902/post67253333#post67253333) and now it's really silky smooth! I would have never imagined it, but no more wonky issues. I was getting random power offs before esp. after using the camera, the UI would freeze, and the phone would get extremely hot here and there, and battery life was horrible. But after following these methods, so far, very stable, no overheating, and the UI is smooth!
Wanted to give everyone an update in case you're having the same issues as I was.