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Microsoft just opened up Windows 7.... Just when Vista is even more screwed up. Either way it looks cool.
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windows-7/beta-videos.aspx
Check it out.
What about compatibility with programs and games? Did u try it?
I never really had any issues with Vista but from what i've played with in Windows 7 it's fantastic.
Hyden121 said:
Microsoft just opened up Windows Mbile 7.... Just when Vista is even more screwed up. Either way it looks cool.
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windows-7/beta-videos.aspx
Check it out.
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i take you really mean just windows 7....as your links states and not mobile
i have windows 7 x64 and i must say its really impressed me
7 is so cool
Im on Windows 7 x64 too and its the dogs, really loving it.
All those still on Vista, I suggest you burn your hard drive and get Windows 7, its everything Vista should of been
On a side note - anyone know when HTC devices are going to be supported on Device Stage???
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windows-7/devices.aspx
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Im on Windows 7 x64 too and its the dogs, really loving it.
All those still on Vista, I suggest you burn your hard drive and get Windows 7, its everything Vista should of been
On a side note - anyone know when HTC devices are going to be supported on Device Stage???
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windows-7/devices.aspx
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I suspect we'll at the very least see the Diamond, Touch Pro and maybe the Blackstone (depending if the guys at MS have one I guess), I'm also not seeing any PPC powered devices on this list so they could still be seperate?
Do you know if this includes devices connected via a network share? On one of my networks I have a brother MFC that's connected to one of my switches and it's a bit of a PITA to manage.
windows 7 x64 rocks
i really like the new interface of windows 7 especially the new task bar....and its works like a charm....
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I suspect we'll at the very least see the Diamond, Touch Pro and maybe the Blackstone (depending if the guys at MS have one I guess), I'm also not seeing any PPC powered devices on this list so they could still be seperate?
Do you know if this includes devices connected via a network share? On one of my networks I have a brother MFC that's connected to one of my switches and it's a bit of a PITA to manage.
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I dont mate sorry
I just downloaded it finally but will try it when I get home close to my restoral CD's. I am interesting in the newer device center. Other than that my major questions were pertaining to games and graphics. We all know how the majority of us got jacked over with Vista when it was released with KNOWN graphics problems. If Microsoft ignores the gaming community they will find that many loyal fans who have not left yet will go towards Linux or Apple. I have always loved Linux over MS anyway but have gained a newer resect for apple.... Well kind of.
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Original post indicates it is win mob 7. WRONG!!!
It is actually Windows 7 OS beta release which is probably what Vista should have been.
4 days of 7 x64...it's amazing. About Device Stage, I think there was something on MSDN about that. I'll go dig it up, I guess. In the end, it's all XML and *should* be pretty easy to do.
I've been running Win7 x64 since Sunday with no issues whatsoever. So far, I love it. It's great. The redesigned taskbar is very intuitive and easy to use. I love the new network manager applet; it behaves like network-manager in Linux. That is, a single click shows a menu-style list of available networks, and another click will get you connected. Win7 also (finally) includes native support for burning ISO images, which makes me thrilled.
I'm not so thrilled that it inherited UAC (running UAC is like always wearing a condom in case you trip, slip, and fall on a prostitute in the shady back room of a hotel in a bad neighborhood), but it's at least got better controls for it via msconfig. Still, I straight-up disable that crap.
Also, the Action Center does a great job alerting the user about potential hardware issues, and it gave me direct download links for getting the proper drivers for my HP dv6700 notebook's card and fingerprint readers.
Additionally, it seems much snappier than Vista. I'm sure that will change in the final release, especially once OEMs get to bog it down with their bloatware, but it's nice for now.
Only complaint is that Chrome won't run on Win7
Other than that, way to go MS!
I've had Win 7 of my laptop for a few months, the only issue I have is it doesn't really work when browsing my network.
I installed the leaked build 6801 back then, since the public release I ran windows update and nothing happened. Does that mean I need to clean install the new release?
I´ll wait for a stable version, just geting used to vista and I´m not an expert so I prefer to wait a few months
What do you mean? This version is stable?
Many people are saying they think really it's past beta and about ready to be launched...
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I´ll wait for a stable version, just geting used to vista and I´m not an expert so I prefer to wait a few months
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What do you mean? This version is stable?
Many people are saying they think really it's past beta and about ready to be launched...
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It is EXTREMELY stable. I haven't been able to crash it yet, and believe me, I've been trying.
And it dual (or triple, in my case) boots quite well, so you've got nothing to lose if you want to give it a 20GB partition just to play with it. The current licenses are only good til 1 August anyway, so I'm not looking to use it as a permanent solution.
And it's really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, easy to use. So dive in
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i take you really mean just windows 7....as your links states and not mobile
Yes, Windows 7 was the correct title of the thread but I did catch that I states windows 7 mobile in opening thread box. Sorry about that everyone. I was rading articles on Windows Mobile 7 and looking at Windows 7 at the same time. I have high expectations for both. I will be installing Windows 7 tonight and I will let you know how it runs on my laptop. Hopefully it better manages video memory than Vista does...
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Only complaint is that Chrome won't run on Win7
Other than that, way to go MS!
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crome doesn't (I don't use it though, because their security is abysmal it's on the same level as safari on windows. but to every man his own) but it does work, you have to run the exe with a certain argument. search at live.com or google.com to find it. I saw it today in my RSS reader.
I'll try to find it for you.
EDIT: here you go http://i.gizmodo.com/5130150/how-to-run-chrome-on-64+bit-windows-7
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crome doesn't (I don't use it though) but it does work, you have to run the exe with a certain argument. search at live.com or google.com to find it. I saw it today in my RSS reader.
I'll try to find it for you.
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Found it!
Thanks for letting me know there is a fix
For the rest of yous, you need to add –in-process-plugins to the shortcut launcher command.
Off to go try it.
EDIT: IT WORKS!
Source: http://www.blogsdna.com/1900/how-to-run-google-chrome-on-windows-7-64-bit-version.htm
I didn't check to see if this was in Vista but I just seen in 7 that I can set my background to change in intervals. I set my windows color to clear, so when my backgournd changes its like the window color changes too. I'm gonna check if its in Vista.
Hi - I just purchased a HD7, have a Android phone (HD2) and Blackberry Bold, but wanted to know if there is anything working for wifi calling.
I know this does not have UMA, but wifi calling like Skype or Google Voice?
The marketplace in Windows 7 I don't like because I don't think I see a sort feature by like 'free' vs 'paid' , etc.
I don't see Skype, see some 3rd party Google Voice stuff with bad reviews and don't see Google Maps.
The TeleNav on the phone from T-mobile requires a monthly subscription which i don't want.
Anyone know apps/etc. that are out there that would suit what I'm looking for here.
Thanks
the best free app I've found for navigation is "xMaps". It's pretty clunky and seems to lack turn-by-turn navigation but at least it works as a basic map. There might be something better availble as far as paid apps go, but I never venture into the paid apps section becase I'm cheap
I hope the app selection gets better with time and that T-Mobile finally rolls out that damned NoDo update!
EDIT: Also, there is a way to sort the list between Free and Paid apps. When you've selected the category of apps you want and the list has been populated, swipe the screen to the left 3 times until you reach the "Free" section.
I've just got an Hd7, 16gb. At first i thought this looks good but is absolute rubbish after my HTC touch pro 2-- can't sync with my PC, can't have TomTom, can't have Google Maps, can't have Opera or Skyfire or Firefox, can't have BBC iPlayer, can't have PDF reader or Flashplayer. What's wrong with these people at Microsoft, don't they know how phones are used!???. BUT is IS a very good phone and very nice to use, has a great screen and plays videos well. I've found you can sync it rather awkwardly via windows live and skydrive. Why do they want to make life more difficult?
I believe the features you mention that are lacking are to come in future updates.
Remember... as far as OS goes, WP7 is just a baby learning to walk. I had to wait for flash on my Galaxy S from the froyo update and iPhone will NEVER have it so as far as those features go... hold your horses. Lol...
I love my android and I am really liking my hd7 as well for different reasons. Once the updates start to come you will be pleasently surprised I believe.
PS... you can sync the phone via PC through Zune. Download the software and follow the instructions...
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I've just got an Hd7, 16gb. At first i thought this looks good but is absolute rubbish after my HTC touch pro 2-- can't sync with my PC, can't have TomTom, can't have Google Maps, can't have Opera or Skyfire or Firefox, can't have BBC iPlayer, can't have PDF reader or Flashplayer. What's wrong with these people at Microsoft, don't they know how phones are used!???. BUT is IS a very good phone and very nice to use, has a great screen and plays videos well. I've found you can sync it rather awkwardly via windows live and skydrive. Why do they want to make life more difficult?
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I believe the features you mention that are lacking are to come in future updates.
Remember... as far as OS goes, WP7 is just a baby learning to walk. I had to wait for flash on my Galaxy S from the froyo update and iPhone will NEVER have it so as far as those features go... hold your horses. Lol...
I love my android and I am really liking my hd7 as well for different reasons. Once the updates start to come you will be pleasently surprised I believe.
PS... you can sync the phone via PC through Zune. Download the software and follow the instructions...
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Not if your on a Mac like me. Good thing I also own a PC but this HD7 still sucks ass! Good thing I still own all my Android phones tho. The only time this phone comes out my pocket now is if I wanna watch NetFlix. Other than that my SIM card will be in one of my Android phones getting me thru the day.
you can also sync on a mac look on mac appstore for Windows Phone 7 Connector.
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you can also sync on a mac look on mac appstore for Windows Phone 7 Connector.
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Thanks..just downloaded it.
Well... I hope that once the updates start rolling out that u will have a better experience . I kept my Galaxy S for the sake of being able to customize it and stuff and I got the hd7 for its simplicity and class. I think that this will be one of thebest devices ever once ms starts to roll out the updates and if the hd2 is any indication... I think this will be the next HTC superphone once the devs start working their magic.
Just my 2 pennies...
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Not if your on a Mac like me. Good thing I also own a PC but this HD7 still sucks ass! Good thing I still own all my Android phones tho. The only time this phone comes out my pocket now is if I wanna watch NetFlix. Other than that my SIM card will be in one of my Android phones getting me thru the day.
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Thanks for that. I can live without some of the previous stuff but I need TomTom also I need a program like WMwifirouter for this OS. I've been using my TP2 connecting my laptop wirelessly to the Net when away for over a year now and it's a great little program. Anyone know a way with an HD7 to use it as a modem?
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Well... I hope that once the updates start rolling out that u will have a better experience . I kept my Galaxy S for the sake of being able to customize it and stuff and I got the hd7 for its simplicity and class. I think that this will be one of thebest devices ever once ms starts to roll out the updates and if the hd2 is any indication... I think this will be the next HTC superphone once the devs start working their magic.
Just my 2 pennies...
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I hope your right. I don't plan on getting rid of mine but right now it's not getting used much.
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I've just got an Hd7, 16gb. At first i thought this looks good but is absolute rubbish after my HTC touch pro 2-- can't sync with my PC, can't have TomTom, can't have Google Maps, can't have Opera or Skyfire or Firefox, can't have BBC iPlayer, can't have PDF reader or Flashplayer. What's wrong with these people at Microsoft, don't they know how phones are used!???. BUT is IS a very good phone and very nice to use, has a great screen and plays videos well. I've found you can sync it rather awkwardly via windows live and skydrive. Why do they want to make life more difficult?
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90% of the things you list are third party applications. It isn't that WP7 CAN'T have them, it's just that at less than 6 months old, it DOESN'T have them... yet.
Did you actually LOOK for Adobe Reader? Cause it's there in the marketplace and has been forever.
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90% of the things you list are third party applications. It isn't that WP7 CAN'T have them, it's just that at less than 6 months old, it DOESN'T have them... yet.
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I like your optimism but the facts are a bit more complex than that; the marketplace is available only in 20 countries (roughly 10% of the total) and this is a very serious issue.
Take iGO 8 for instance, it was developed by the Hungarians, do you honestly believe they will commit resources to port their brilliant software to a platform not even available in their native country?
I want to have a state of the art OS but WP7 is so crippled that is no match for the competition.
I still hope for a better future for my HD7 but when? When?
This is the closest forum I found to ask this question...
It's supposed to be priced at $400. Which makes it $150 more than, the Nook Color.
If this is true, you gain dual-core processors, 1GB RAM, 10.1" IPS display, and a removable keyboard (Assuming- it's factored into the $400).
Smashing good deal, I'd say.
However- my main complaint of all tablets (at least in this price range)... Is they don't run a full OS. The hardware on the Eee Pad Transformer suggest to me, it could viably run Windows on it in a dual-boot situation... I was just wondering if anyone had heard anything on doing this?
If so- it makes this an amazing device.
The problem with Windows is that the GUI and applications are designed around mouse usage. This will be an issue with any OS GUI not designed around touch. So it won't be as amazing as you think. Consider how difficult it will be to use toolbars with tiny buttons, use the taskbar (tiny icons), select things in dropdown menus, etc. You'd really need a stylus to get anywhere.
I suggest you look at netbooks if you want Windows. I have an EeePC 900 that I've been using for years and frankly it is vastly more usable than tablets thus far for a number of reasons.
There's no way to run Windows on a Tegra 2 or any other ARM-based platform except maybe through emulation. Also, the $400 price point for the Transformer would not include the keyboard.
Actually Windows 7 was designed with touch input in mind so while your statement might hold true to XP and earlier, you obviously haven't used Windows 7
I'm not worried about if Windows will work on a touch device as much as... Hardware support and if it's even possible (how it'd boot from a flash drive, for example)
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There's no way to run Windows on a Tegra 2 or any other ARM-based platform except maybe through emulation. Also, the $400 price point for the Transformer would not include the keyboard.
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OK- this is what I was looking for. So it won't run on Tegra 2...... Answers my question.
I am with you: I wouldn't assume the $400 included it but I've seen some product pages to suggest otherwise, I'm waiting to see. Even if the keyboard cost $100... Putting it the same price as the iPad... A tablet with no keyboard or a tablet with a keyboard: no brainer- the Eee Pad still gets the edge.
TexUs said:
Actually Windows 7 was designed with touch input in mind so while your statement might hold true to XP and earlier, you obviously haven't used Windows 7
I'm not worried about if Windows will work on a touch device as much as... Hardware support and if it's even possible (how it'd boot from a flash drive, for example)
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I use Windows XP, Vista and 7 every day, but I haven't touched a Win7 tablet PC. Windows 7 might be designed for touch but the applications, the whole reason to use Windows over another OS, will still be a problem. Not many apps are designed with touch in mind.
My EeePC 900 uses "flash drives" to boot Windows. it has a 4GB and 16GB SSD. It's pretty quick even though the SSDs are slow. It's that instant access time and relatively quick read speed, but the write speed is awful. Or are you referring to booting from SD? Which would probably entail some sort of fancy bootloader.... It is possible to boot Windows from USB so SD may be possible.
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I use Windows XP, Vista and 7 every day, but I haven't touched a Win7 tablet PC. Windows 7 might be designed for touch but the applications, the whole reason to use Windows over another OS, will still be a problem. Not many apps are designed with touch in mind.
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That's true but that's where the keyboard and touchpad picks up the slack.....
For 95% of people- Microsoft products (IE: designed with the touch in mind now) are fine.
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My EeePC 900 uses "flash drives" to boot Windows. it has a 4GB and 16GB SSD. It's pretty quick even though the SSDs are slow. It's that instant access time and relatively quick read speed, but the write speed is awful. Or are you referring to booting from SD? Which would probably entail some sort of fancy bootloader.... It is possible to boot Windows from USB so SD may be possible.
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I'm not sure how this device works (the bootloader) which is why I questioned the possibility anyway. Kindof a moot point if Windows won't run on a Tegra 2.
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Kindof a moot point if Windows won't run on a Tegra 2.
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I guess so.
Personally I've been hoping for a new 9" netbook with better hardware than my EeePC 900. Unfortunately none of the companies seems to want to build anything smaller than 10" now.
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I guess so.
Personally I've been hoping for a new 9" netbook with better hardware than my EeePC 900. Unfortunately none of the companies seems to want to build anything smaller than 10" now.
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I think 10" is a good size, myself.
7" is fantastic size as well, but it's too big for one handed typing and too small for two handed so... It's an awkward size. 10" is perfect IMO.
I have an EEE 1005HA and had a EEE 900? There is a big diffrence in size. IMHO the 1005 form factor is the best ballance for useabillity and portability.
Dell has a flip screen netbook / tablet that looks intersting but the price point is high, the reviews are low, so I have not considered it.
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What about Windows 7 is significantly different from XP in the context of touch input?
I'm certainly intrigued by the Asus tab. However, considering that I work on Windows PCs and Servers for a living, I don't like the idea of trying to navigate that OS with my blunt sausage-fingers.
I'd just be happy with an Android OS that supports running apps in resizable, movable windows. Drag and drop file maniuplation would be nice too. Functionally, the Android interface feels like Windows 3.1. I'd like to have folders on the "desktop" and navigate to a document/media file to launch it that way. Basically, I'd like to see some Windows-esque functionality without it actually needing to be Windows..
I disagree that 10" is better with a netbook but I'm not surprised to see it said. I'd rather move up to a 12" slim subnote with much faster hardware that point (which I've had too). The 9" is exceptionally portable and I actually wish I could find a notebook that's even smaller. Unfortunately they don't exist outside of some severely limited PDAs.
This is the reason I grabbed a Nook Color. I've wanted a 7" tablet because it's smaller than the 9" EeePC. I've had a Droid to play with but it is just too small. Unfortunately touch screen input is far inferior to a keyboard/touchpad in some situations.
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What about Windows 7 is significantly different from XP in the context of touch input?
I'm certainly intrigued by the Asus tab. However, considering that I work on Windows PCs and Servers for a living, I don't like the idea of trying to navigate that OS with my blunt sausage-fingers.
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Go look up some videos of it on Youtube. Basically MS's GUI and their apps are usable with touch but obviously when it comes to 3rd party apps you are going to have a very hard time without a stylus or KB/touchpad.
The whole reason the tablet revolution is happening is because enough people are learning to live without Windows.
Wherever there is Windows there is x86, and that means HUGE CPU die sizes and terrible battery life.
I don't expect to see Windows on a tablet until we get to quad-core models that have enough raw power to run Windows in a virtual machine. Tablets are the end of the WinTel monopoly....
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Go look up some videos of it on Youtube. Basically MS's GUI and their apps are usable with touch but obviously when it comes to 3rd party apps you are going to have a very hard time without a stylus or KB/touchpad.
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No, I won't go look up some videos. If he, or you, want to make the contention, which is specious at best, that Windows 7 was designed with touch in mind, feel free to explain your stance. Otherwise, I'm not buying. I work with Windows XP and Windows 7 every day. The Windows 7 interface is like lipstick on a pig relative to XP.
In Windows 7, when you select Shut Down, there's no confirmation or prompt that asks if you'd like to log off, restart, hibernate, etc. No, it just initiates the shutdown immediately. If you want to hibernate or suspend, you need to precisely click on the little triangle right next to shutdown. Yeah. If you mis-click, then the device will shutdown, which isn't what you want. This was designed with touch in mind?
Windows 7, just like every other version of Windows since 95 involves context-sensitive menus available thru right-clicking. How exactly do you right click on a tablet?
Look, I like my Nook. I'm very interested in the Asus tablet if the price is right. I'm just not letting some clown get off with some lame contention that Windows 7 was designed with touch in mind all that easily.
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Everything.
http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows7/products/features/touch
It was designed with touch in mind. Microsoft saw this tablet thing coming and was proactive... People don't give them enough credit sometimes.
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I'm certainly intrigued by the Asus tab. However, considering that I work on Windows PCs and Servers for a living, I don't like the idea of trying to navigate that OS with my blunt sausage-fingers.
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IMO the future of computing is with a STYLUS and not fingers.
Why? Handwriting. Have you used Windows 7 + OneNote? That's the future. Write ideas, notes, whatever you want to down... And then you can freaking SEARCH them later on (handwriting recognition). That is immensely more useful and practical than typing stuff in or inaccurately penning something with a fat finger- as you say.
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I'd just be happy with an Android OS that supports running apps in resizable, movable windows. Drag and drop file maniuplation would be nice too. Functionally, the Android interface feels like Windows 3.1. I'd like to have folders on the "desktop" and navigate to a document/media file to launch it that way. Basically, I'd like to see some Windows-esque functionality without it actually needing to be Windows..
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Excellent points, but you'd then have to have a taskbar of some sort and then it starts becoming "too complicated" for people. I'm not sure if the added complications would outweigh drag and drop benefit. (Window switching is already there via long-press on home button).
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I disagree that 10" is better with a netbook but I'm not surprised to see it said. I'd rather move up to a 12" slim subnote with much faster hardware that point (which I've had too).
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I've personally got a 13" as you said- much beefier hardware.
However. After thinking about it, I don't do video editing, really. Or anything intensive. I have no need for that beefier hardware so then the question to me is... Why don't I get something smaller/more portable?
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The whole reason the tablet revolution is happening is because enough people are learning to live without Windows.
Wherever there is Windows there is x86, and that means HUGE CPU die sizes and terrible battery life.
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I expect Microsoft to start killing x86 off in Windows 9. That said, I've heard rumors they are already going to drop x86 in Windows 8.
Again, believe it or not: Microsoft is fairly proactive here and knows what direction they need to move in.
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I don't expect to see Windows on a tablet until we get to quad-core models that have enough raw power to run Windows in a virtual machine. Tablets are the end of the WinTel monopoly....
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There's already some intel-powered Windows tablets coming out that'll be fairly decently spec'd. The downside is I've not seen one under $1000. Which makes sense considering the hardware. However- my point is that they're already coming.
Microsoft has talked of Windows 8 supporting some kind of windows-on-a-chip thing as well...... Again- they know what's coming and where they need to take it
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In Windows 7, when you select Shut Down, there's no confirmation or prompt that asks if you'd like to log off, restart, hibernate, etc. No, it just initiates the shutdown immediately.
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Preaching to the choir. I have no idea the justification for that one. Even on a desktop PC it makes no sense what with the strides in hibernation/sleep.
Keep in mind this setting can be changed (and it might even be changed upon detection of a touch screen device, who knows... Windows 7 installs differently based upon detected hardware like SSDs, etc).
Considering you've admitted you haven't used Windows 7 in a touch environment I'm not sure why you expect anyone to put much stock in what you say.
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Windows 7, just like every other version of Windows since 95 involves context-sensitive menus available thru right-clicking. How exactly do you right click on a tablet?
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How do you do it on Android? Get real.
TexUs,
You and I just disagree.
I don't consider the inclusion of multi-touch in Windows 7 as being significant enough to give them a pass on designing the OS for touch. There are too many things about Windows that are just too tablet unfriendly. You consider multi-touch to change "everything" (your word) about the interface relative to XP. I do not.
On the topic of stylus-based tablet computing, this was tried about 6 or 7 years ago. That didn't work out very well. Styluses are a pain in the ass. They get lost, etc. The Palm Pilot was a stylus based device that really caught on for several years. The stylus, however, did not.
I never suggested that you could right-click on Android. My point was that right-clicking is just further evidence that Windows 7 is not all *that* tablet friendly. No need to get real. I'm already there.
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I don't consider the inclusion of multi-touch in Windows 7 as being significant enough to give them a pass on designing the OS for touch. There are too many things about Windows that are just too tablet unfriendly. You consider multi-touch to change "everything" (your word) about the interface relative to XP. I do not.
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You said relative to XP. Everything DID change in contrast to XP. XP sucked from a touch perspective. It was pretty much just tap this or tap that... Windows 7 made huge leaps and bounds.
Touch gestures in the OS, High DPI support, the Taskbar was huge in multi-window management in a touch environment, Aero Snap- again- more window management made easier in a touch environment, IE- touch support added - along with most all Microsoft products
Tons of improvement over XP. Again- the OS as a whole is now ready for touch- XP can't say that.
And your singular example of the shutdown button (which I already admitted is retarded regardless of setup) is hardly a damning point.
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On the topic of stylus-based tablet computing, this was tried about 6 or 7 years ago. That didn't work out very well. Styluses are a pain in the ass. They get lost, etc. The Palm Pilot was a stylus based device that really caught on for several years. The stylus, however, did not.
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Yes because stylus tech and handwriting recognition is exactly the same as it was 10 years ago.
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I never suggested that you could right-click on Android. My point was that right-clicking is just further evidence that Windows 7 is not all *that* tablet friendly. No need to get real. I'm already there.
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By that token, Android isn't tablet friendly since it relies on long-presses to gain additional options (IE: context menu) either.
Your logic just doesn't stack up.
You're complaining that a full blown OS has more features than a phone OS. Really? Where else do you suppose they stick all those options? All over the screen? Or with menus and long presses to pull them up only when needed? You also act, like people will constantly be using these functions on a tablet anyway. Tablets are for the foreseeable future, additions. Only things like the Eee Pad Transformer that have easily attachable keyboards- have any hope of replacing "real" computers.
I have a windows based tablet and I am incredibly happy with it
I have every intention of getting another one very soon (probably the asus ep121 or the hp slate 500)
I don't know why everyone's arguing about stylus input here, but if you haven't tried an active digitizer, you have no idea what you're talking about.
there's no way you can compare a windows tablet to a palm pilot which had a crappy resistive touch screen
it's like night and day
and the hand writing recognition in windows 7 is really, really good
I use it all the time and I never have any problems with it
also, I've been using my stylus nearly every day for 2 years and I haven't lost it..
I really don't see that being a problem
but anyway, I find it strange that no one has bothered to mention windows 8 in this thread. it will most likely be out fairly soon and it will support arm( not to mention the fact that it will be more touch friendly). I doubt it will be easy to port to something like the transformer, but it will be a hell of a lot easier than porting win7.
one more thing, you can long press to right click in windows, exactly the same as you do in android.
Debating on going from my SGS3 to Nokia Lumia 920 but am worried about the microsoft market place.
Is there much choice available on the WP8 store?
Does anyone know if the game 'life is magic' will be on WP8 store (available on ios and droid but cannot see on WP8?
Can the lumia play most video formats or does WP8 still require all data to be pushed/converted via zune still?
If the lumia cannot play these is there an application available for WP8 that allows WP8 devices to use different formats/codecs?
As you may guess i have not used a WP7 or WP8 device before but am getting over my phobia of how ugly the UI is to me and want to try one.
This is the windows 8 section, not the windows phone 8 section. The 2 are not the same thing.
Crap it! Sorry thought i had put in the right place, i should have read it properly!!!
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This is the windows 8 section, not the windows phone 8 section. The 2 are not the same thing.
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Ah, this IS Windows Phone 8 section. This is "Windows Phone 8 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting". Why did you say this?
LiFePo4 said:
Ah, this IS Windows Phone 8 section. This is "Windows Phone 8 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting". Why did you say this?
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I was just wondering that myself, even had to double check! Lol
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Enough with the drama, the thread was probably moved...
1) Unfortunately, it's near empty compared to iOS/android.
2) Only authors knows. Currently where are no news about WP8 port.
3) It supports mp4/wmv etc, you can download movie to phone and watch it. Third-party players can be installed for not-so-wildspread formats like .mkv
4) Yes, like "Yxplayer". it's commercial, but price is like 3-4$ .
5) My personal opinion - not a good idea. I have switched from Galaxy Note to Nokia 620 just to test new OS. Android/iOS are better right now.
kil43 said:
Debating on going from my SGS3 to Nokia Lumia 920 but am worried about the microsoft market place.
1) Is there much choice available on the WP8 store?
2) Does anyone know if the game 'life is magic' will be on WP8 store (available on ios and droid but cannot see on WP8?
3) Can the lumia play most video formats or does WP8 still require all data to be pushed/converted via zune still?
4) If the lumia cannot play these is there an application available for WP8 that allows WP8 devices to use different formats/codecs?
5) As you may guess i have not used a WP7 or WP8 device before but am getting over my phobia of how ugly the UI is to me and want to try one.
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eyeofhell said:
1) Unfortunately, it's near empty compared to iOS/android.
2) Only authors knows. Currently where are no news about WP8 port.
3) It supports mp4/wmv etc, you can download movie to phone and watch it. Third-party players can be installed for not-so-wildspread formats like .mkv
4) Yes, like "Yxplayer". it's commercial, but price is like 3-4$ .
5) My personal opinion - not a good idea. I have switched from Galaxy Note to Nokia 620 just to test new OS. Android/iOS are better right now.
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Excellent, thanks for the honest response. Think i may hold off for either the new nokia with xenon flash or hold off still until ubuntu raises it's head.
I have a Note 2 as my main phone and 620 as a secondary. IMHO, the 620 works extremely well as a secondary phone. The 920 is simply too expensive for such a role. To be honest, the WP8 is simply too raw to be a main OS. Too many missing apps and fundamental OS features.
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Hello I am just asking if I can flash my Nokia lumoa620 to android if no tell why if yes tut or link please thank u
No you can't. There are no Drivers for the Hardware, no one has bothered to work on it and the most likely reason is that all WP8 devices use SecureBoot to make sure only signed OS code gets executed on the Hardware which (at the Moment at least) prevents any Kind of CustomROMs.
The Windows Mobile days are over. No Windows Phone device has ever been able to run another OS and it's likely to stay that way.
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Hello I am just asking if I can flash my Nokia lumoa620 to android if no tell why if yes tut or link please thank u
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Why do you want android?
Thank u for ur fast answer and i want android for several reasons o can't mention now cone of them because the apps
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scorpionma said:
Thank u for ur fast answer and i want android for several reasons o can't mention now cone of them because the apps
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Why u didnt u get directly an android device?
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Thank u for ur fast answer and i want android for several reasons o can't mention now cone of them because the apps
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Did you search for apps carefully? Because many apps have the same content like android but the app is called differently.
Nokia android
scorpionma said:
Thank u for ur fast answer and i want android for several reasons o can't mention now cone of them because the apps
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If you can wait click here
Android will be available for Nokia, hope we it can dual boot with WP8 :fingers-crossed:
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Did you search for apps carefully? Because many apps have the same content like android but the app is called differently.
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names not problem... he want "free" apps
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Android will be available for Nokia, hope we it can dual boot with WP8 :fingers-crossed:
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i be deeply disappointment if Nokia adopt android.... from lover to deeply hater
Nope. Windows devices are all protected and encrypted to hell and back. You'd be better off getting a separate Android device (consider a Nexus device, those are cheap and good for their cost), or finding replacement apps for WinPhone.
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No Windows Phone device has ever been able to run another OS and it's likely to stay that way.
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Ever heard of HTC HD2?
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Ever heard of HTC HD2?
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Yes, we heard of that. And it's not a Windows Phone device! It originally ran Windows Mobile (which is something completely different than Windows Phone) and was hacked to run other operating systems like android, and even Windows 8
The only reason the HD2 lasted so long, was because @coutulla was behind the hood. He had done everything he possibly wanted on that device. With him not interested in Windows Phone, you all can just wait for HTC and MS to work out the kinks for dual-boot phones. Go to WPCentral to figure out your self. My only remark: Nokia devices will not be able to run android, or vice versa, misc phones e.g. Motorola Droids will not run WP8. WP8 is device specific, while Android can float around a little more easy, but both Android and Windows Phone is dependent on the cellular radio and device specific drivers. It's a can 'o worms that we don't want to mess with, and the one that can to this type of work are going away from Windows Phone. Anyways, I'm not sure what ultrashot has been up to these days.
HD2 (Leo) was a Windows Mobile device (WinMo 6.5 was retroactively rebranded Windows Phone, but it bears no resemblance to the WP line). Although WP7 was successfully ported to the Leo, the hardware actually did not conform to the chassis specification for the OS; calling it a "Windows Phone device" is therefore more than a little disingenuous. Besides, even among WinMo devices, the Leo was absurdly multi-OS capable; most mobile devices are lucky if they ever get two different OS families running on them. Leo had WinMo, WP7, Android, desktop Linux, and a handful of others as well; the fact that this is notable makes it the exception which proves the rule that generally, it's not possible.
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The only reason the HD2 lasted so long, was because @coutulla was behind the hood. He had done everything he possibly wanted on that device. With him not interested in Windows Phone, you all can just wait for HTC and MS to work out the kinks for dual-boot phones. Go to WPCentral to figure out your self. My only remark: Nokia devices will not be able to run android, or vice versa, misc phones e.g. Motorola Droids will not run WP8. WP8 is device specific, while Android can float around a little more easy, but both Android and Windows Phone is dependent on the cellular radio and device specific drivers. It's a can 'o worms that we don't want to mess with, and the one that can to this type of work are going away from Windows Phone. Anyways, I'm not sure what ultrashot has been up to these days.
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And only think that the bigger part of cotulla's projects weren't public released (windows embedded compact 7, apple stuff and so on ) I wonder what he is doing now..and where is the DFT (probably they are working on htc one). Anyway, I think that a dual boot between android and WP8 is not possible because of UEFI..android doesn't have it so it's impossible to make it boot if on the phone there's WP8. Cotulla made a long chain to make it possible: HSPL-MAGLDR(to run android)-UEFI MAGLDR(to run WP8) And HTC or any other manufacter will do something like that. Windows asked HTC to give a choice (Android OR windows phone)..I think that HTC refused because Microsoft asked even to Huawei and Samsung in any chase HTC is failing, probably will close soon..
Why are you doing this,Android is not smooth,I hate it,so I buy a windows phone to instead HTC Desire.
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And what about now ? still nothing?
Recently My bank put a App online, and this the only way that I can deal with my bank and the App is only for iOS or Android...and dont really want to buy anything else
In my country, few people every day bombard bank mail with demand for WP app and after one year we got bank app for WP8... You never get Android on WP device. Forget it.
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Difficult migrating to Windows phone...
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