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Worth the Upgrade from an ION?

Can somebody in a similar situation help me with an upgrade decision?
I just recently sold my Samsung Galaxy Note 1 because I think that line has peaked. All the cool innovations seem to be coming from elsewhere. Whether it be waterproofing, camera improvements, or just greater size.
So I picked up an ION from ATT while the upgrade price was $1 US. It does just about everything well. My plan was to wait out the next round of releases like at MWC and see if anything really stands out.
The Z looks great, but is it REALLY that much of an upgrade over the ION/TL or even the Acro S? Is anybody with a current gen Xperia going to jump on the Z and the higher price?

It sure is a big upgrade over the Ion no doubt. But I'd suggest you wait for the next Sony flagship. It will be a beast according to rumors.
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stiffi2011 said:
Can somebody in a similar situation help me with an upgrade decision?
I just recently sold my Samsung Galaxy Note 1 because I think that line has peaked. All the cool innovations seem to be coming from elsewhere. Whether it be waterproofing, camera improvements, or just greater size.
So I picked up an ION from ATT while the upgrade price was $1 US. It does just about everything well. My plan was to wait out the next round of releases like at MWC and see if anything really stands out.
The Z looks great, but is it REALLY that much of an upgrade over the ION/TL or even the Acro S? Is anybody with a current gen Xperia going to jump on the Z and the higher price?
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personally I would not upgrade if I had a S/T/Ion etc, the only reason I'm upgrading is because my phone (arc s) is dog slow.

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stefanve said:
personally I would not upgrade if I had a S/T/Ion etc, the only reason I'm upgrading is because my phone (arc s) is dog slow.
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That's kind of how I'm swaying. The real draw for me is the new camera sensor but I fear it may not be better than the current exymor. The results from the Oppo find 5 with the same sensor are less than impressive.

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That's kind of how I'm swaying. The real draw for me is the new camera sensor but I fear it may not be better than the current exymor. The results from the Oppo find 5 with the same sensor are less than impressive.
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According to this review it's not impressive
http://www.techgoondu.com/2013/02/10/goondu-review-sony-xperia-z/
Maybe HTC can backup up its marketing speak with some sweet hardware., curious about the m7 camera tech

stefanve said:
According to this review it's not impressive
http://www.techgoondu.com/2013/02/10/goondu-review-sony-xperia-z/
Maybe HTC can backup up its marketing speak with some sweet hardware., curious about the m7 camera tech
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Me too. Probably would have bought the Z if came out last week. Now i am waiting for the M7 announcement . Also interested on in whatver Nokia is cooking up with the next pureview phone. Timing is everything.

Definitely better than the ION and i would say it is worth it

I have the ion, and plan on upgrading to the Z. I skipped out on the TL, so I'm in line for a new phone from Sony. I think the design and the 1080p screen makes it worth getting.
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I have an SGS2 and am looking for a new phone with a good good camera. So far this is worth looking at but from what I heard the camera is not that good I will have to wait for SGS4 lets hope camera is good on that or always HTC M7. Htc have good cameras.
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[Q] OB replacement

this is not really important but i'm just curious to know..
Are there more OB users here that came to the point where they want to buy something new to replace our OB?
I am..
I have had a really great time here on xda and with my OB (unlike many others i was very satisfied with this phone, probably because of the great roms here).
To bad some dev's aren't here anymore..
anyway, i don't have a new phone yet but am looking for one and so far it seems that the Sony Xperia T is going to be my next one.
Why? It looks great, has great hardware en the price is right.. Also something i find very important is that it's easy to root/customise.. (offcourse i want to stay here to get some great custom roms for my next phone).
And Sony seems to be a great phone for custom development.
HTC also has some great models but are harder to customise..
So, are there more people who are looking for a new phone? What are you going to buy and why?
Or maybe you already bought another phone..

Definitely the nexus 4. Easy to customize, easy to root/flash, excellent dev support, amazing hardware, small price. Everything you want. Sony phones are generally difficult to unlock/root cuz of locked bootloader, etc.
And I am also planning to buy the nexus 4, it released officially in India just now.

ykumar00 said:
Definitely the nexus 4. Easy to customize, easy to root/flash, excellent dev support, amazing hardware, small price. Everything you want. Sony phones are generally difficult to unlock/root cuz of locked bootloader, etc.
And I am also planning to buy the nexus 4, it released officially in India just now.
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it's indeed a great phone and here in the netherlands it's already for sale since half april but for me it's way over budget.

Then maybe you should go for a Samsung. They also have unlocked bootloaders, good dev support, and see easy to root/flash/restore. Also, unlike the OB, Their hardware works very decently with custom roms.Afaik most htc and Sony phones have locked bootloaders.

ykumar00 said:
Then maybe you should go for a Samsung. They also have unlocked bootloaders, good dev support, and see easy to root/flash/restore. Also, unlike the OB, Their hardware works very decently with custom roms.Afaik most htc and Sony phones have locked bootloaders.
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i thought about that too..
also i've done alot of reading on xda to find a phone wich has some good devs.
sony xperia is easy to root/revert/customise, HTC is much more risky..
Xperia T already has some great custom roms and kernels so that's a good thing, you only need to buy a carrier free version so you can unlock the bootloader.
If i want to buy a Samsung within my budget, it will be the Galaxy SII. Also a really great phone but it's old. although it's hardware is quiet good it somehow makes it less interesting. the positive side? it has great support on xda.
one thing that i've read about the SII is that the screen is really good, resolution is lower then the Xperia T but it still seems to be better..
tough choice..

All the best! I don't know much abut Sony, but I've had experience with the Sony Ericsson Xperia Neo V, was a pain in the a** to root....you have to flash an earlier kernel before you root, and then you have to unlock the bootloader....for that you need to use fastboot, flashtool, and whatnot. Y have to flash a custom kernel if you want cwm... so my general opinion about Sony is that it's too much hassle, but that's the only Sony phone I've messed with. And definitely no LG either!

I suggest the Samsung Galaxy SII X. My sister in law just got one. It's hardware is faster/more powerful than the standard SII. I've only played around with it a few times, but it's fast and has a very nice display.
It's probably just as easy to root/install custom ROM's as it is for the standard SII.
Good luck in your search.
I too am thinking about replacing my OB, but not anytime soon. Just seeing what else is out there for now.

we don't have the sgsIIx here, we have sgsII and sgsIIplus (hardware the same) and i didn't choose it. the price is just to high for such old phone.
it's great, yes but it's outdated.. after reading many reviews i've come to the conclusion that the xperia t is much better for almost the same price.
also the xperia t section on xda looks really great and have seen some great roms and kernels.
so, to make a long story short.. i just ordered the sony xperia t and tomorrow it will be delivered.

Still Worth a Buy?

I'm am looking for opinions on buying this phone NOW.
I am currently using the HTC One. I have been through a lot of devices, lately and looking for that "perfect" device and I was holding off on the Xperia Z mostly due to the price unlocked. I broke down and got the HTC One on contract in the US. Its a great phone, but just lacks that wow factor. It's like the Honda of phones, everything done well, nothing spectacular.
So, thinking I can flip it for the same price if not more than the Xperia Z, I'm looking again.
With all the other flagships out there or soon to be out there, do you think buying the Z now still makes sense?
Thanks for looking

Yes, definitely worth it. I've been using this beast for the past 2months & i can assure you that you won't be disappointed.

stiffi2011 said:
I'm am looking for opinions on buying this phone NOW.
I am currently using the HTC One. I have been through a lot of devices, lately and looking for that "perfect" device and I was holding off on the Xperia Z mostly due to the price unlocked. I broke down and got the HTC One on contract in the US. Its a great phone, but just lacks that wow factor. It's like the Honda of phones, everything done well, nothing spectacular.
So, thinking I can flip it for the same price if not more than the Xperia Z, I'm looking again.
With all the other flagships out there or soon to be out there, do you think buying the Z now still makes sense?
Thanks for looking
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There isn't much difference apart from the UI and the camera between the htc one and the xz. The HTC has a newer processor, the XZ has a better camera. Different screen technologies. If I was you I would stick with the One unless you don't like it at all. They are both good phones.

the only wow factor that XZ has over One is the water-proof feature. Beside that, One is better than Z in most aspects. If you want something to show off to your friend, you better check for Galaxy S4 as it has many features such as "fun" (and mostly useless) gestures:highfive:

go with S4 for the trade...

S4 over the pair of them.

ZoltanOrDie said:
S4 over the pair of them.
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I just recently had a Note 2. Is there anything really different in the S4? I see them as virtually the same.

I think if you like the Sony Xperia z go for it
After 3 months I m finding used Xperia z
I think htc one very good phone
It's your choice which thing you want in your phone
First see demo then decide:thumbup:
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I was in same situation as you, I ended up selling the HTC One and bought a Xperia Z.
For me it was mainly that accessibility service has major bugs in the lock screen when it's turned on for my pebble service. And I need this turned on to use my pebble smartwatch.
Also not a huge fan of sense, I much prefer stock android, and sony is much closer to that. And I just like the design of the Xperia Z overall.
HTC did have a better screen with better viewing angles, but I didn't really find that an issue with the Xperia z.
I am also using an S4 from my company and I still prefer the Xperia Z over it. All the new "features" aren't really that practical in real life use. It doesn't look like a premium phone, just the same as the S3. Touchwiz isn't so bad, but when i enable accessibility settings for my pebble watch it disables a number of the new "features". Dunno why.
This was my experience, obviously yours will be different.
It's really all down to what YOU prefer. I would advise you to have a try, play around and see what you like first.

electric0ant said:
I was in same situation as you, I ended up selling the HTC One and bought a Xperia Z.
For me it was mainly that accessibility service has major bugs in the lock screen when it's turned on for my pebble service. And I need this turned on to use my pebble smartwatch.
Also not a huge fan of sense, I much prefer stock android, and sony is much closer to that. And I just like the design of the Xperia Z overall.
HTC did have a better screen with better viewing angles, but I didn't really find that an issue with the Xperia z.
I am also using an S4 from my company and I still prefer the Xperia Z over it. All the new "features" aren't really that practical in real life use. It doesn't look like a premium phone, just the same as the S3. Touchwiz isn't so bad, but when i enable accessibility settings for my pebble watch it disables a number of the new "features". Dunno why.
This was my experience, obviously yours will be different.
It's really all down to what YOU prefer. I would advise you to have a try, play around and see what you like first.
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Thanks
The problem had always been i am in the us and nobody has the Z on the shelves. I would love to try the Z in person but its just not an option
. So i will probably end up buying it and hoping for the best.

stiffi2011 said:
I just recently had a Note 2. Is there anything really different in the S4? I see them as virtually the same.
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smaller screen, quadcore with a better architecture chip, 4.2.2, 1080p screeen

Android OS updates slow?

Hi there!
Was at a phone shop earlier this afternoon afternoon and there I was comparing the new HTC One M8, Galaxy S4, Galaxy S5 and the Xperia Z1 side by side. For some reason I fell in love with the Z1. Why? It was just the right size (5" screen), its very light, build quality seem topnotch, audio quality (with my headphones) was near amazing, camera quality seem excellent and it was quite fluid and performance seem spot on.
But I don't want to ask about what's wrong with it. Rather I want to discuss about updates.
As the current crop of Android OEMs start updating their devices to 4.4.2 my question is: do you guys trust Sony with timely/quick updates with their devices? You think its slow? Have they been keeping their promise in updates?
What you think?

They are ok with speed of updates..z1 got kitkat abt a month ago...but there were some bugs which were resolved by another update...am hearing that there may be another update soon...so sony seems to be good in this department
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sruba209 said:
They are ok with speed of updates..z1 got kitkat abt a month ago...but there were some bugs which were resolved by another update...am hearing that there may be another update soon...so sony seems to be good in this department
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Gino76ph said:
Hi there!
Was at a phone shop earlier this afternoon afternoon and there I was comparing the new HTC One M8, Galaxy S4, Galaxy S5 and the Xperia Z1 side by side. For some reason I fell in love with the Z1. Why? It was just the right size (5" screen), its very light, build quality seem topnotch, audio quality (with my headphones) was near amazing, camera quality seem excellent and it was quite fluid and performance seem spot on.
But I don't want to ask about what's wrong with it. Rather I want to discuss about updates.
As the current crop of Android OEMs start updating their devices to 4.4.2 my question is: do you guys trust Sony with timely/quick updates with their devices? You think its slow? Have they been keeping their promise in updates?
What you think?
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Compared to how Sony (Sony Ericsson*) did treat their older device generations (2010 - 2011 devices specially), I can't deny how much they have improved on the high end Z line-up! So yes, they're fast, compared to a couple of years ago!
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They're not super fast but they're not slow either, they're on par with Samsung and htc on this
Which makes them much faster than lg and a little slower than motorola
Also much slower than nexus devices but everyone else is anyway
The rest of the manufacturers don't even bother to update their devices i think
BUT i'd like to point out that with Sony's 2 flagships a year schedule plus other devices, updates might begin to slow down with the increased device count. This is just a supposition of mine of course but it might happen
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negrobembon said:
They're not super fast but they're not slow either, they're on par with Samsung and htc on this
Which makes them much faster than lg and a little slower than motorola
Also much slower than nexus devices but everyone else is anyway
The rest of the manufacturers don't even bother to update their devices i think
BUT i'd like to point out that with Sony's 2 flagships a year schedule plus other devices, updates might begin to slow down with the increased device count. This is just a supposition of mine of course but it might happen
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that is true..but we must keep in mind that 2 'flagship' devices are launched....the total no of phones launched is actually less compared to some oems..2 flagships 2 mid range and 2 budget ... very unlike samsung launching 34 phones in the indian market in 2013
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But with two "flagship" devices being launched in a matter of and/or a span of 9 months (in this case the Z1 & the Z2) would that put Sony in a certain "pressure" to keep up with updating their devices often or in a quick/timely fashion?
If I was a Z1 owner in the past 6 months and realising and assuming the OEM who made my device will update it only once more (say in next 4-6 months) that would mean my device is now dispensable after 12 months even though apps are still being updated? That's not good is it?
A so-called "flagship" device will no longer be flagship after 9 months. Before it as every 12 months. How un-reassuring and depressing to know.
Or am I being too negative? Or just realistic?

u r actually being realistic... this is the fact with all OEMSs......consider a manufacturer's scenario presently... the Z1 has 4.2.2...... currently 4.4.3 and 4.4.4 are out....also 5.0 is probably coming out tomorrow.... so sony will probably skip 4.4.4 and go straight to 5.0.......Hence wenever u r buying a NON NEXUS phone... make sure u like the UI... coz as long as u don't flash an AOSP rom ... the look and feel of the OS will remain nearly the same irrespective of the android version ... sad but true

The only reason why I went with sony was the camera apps functions and graphic engine they have on the phones.

Potential dev support for Z3C?

Let me start off but saying that I have owned the last three nexus phones, so this is where I am coming from. I am really intrigued by the Z3c. The nexus line just keeps getting bigger and bigger and the cameras always disappoint. I really feel like my nexus 4 was the perfect size (4.7 inches) so the z3c looks amazing at its size. My main concern is dev support. I am hoping someone who owns a z1c can advise what the dev support was like.
Are methods for root and bootloader unlock usually found quickly for sony phones?
Did the same ROMs from the Z1 work on the Z1c with a little bit of modification or were they totally separate from one another? How feature complete were the roms? The last non nexus phone I owned with the original galaxy s and even as the phone matured there were still GPS and other hardware issues due to missing or cobbled together drivers, lack of an open source kernel, etc. I have never owned a sony phone so I don't know what their track record is like here.
I feel confident that an android L upgrade is guaranteed for this phone but aside from that I am hoping for AOSP bases roms (MAHDI rom would be amazing).
Thanks for any insights you guys can provide. I know that past experiences someone had with the z1c doesn't necessarily correlate to what will happen on the z3c but its the best we have to go on right now.
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You'll need to be patient, no one has the phone yet so there is no news on how secure the bootloader is. Previous devices in a family is by no means an indicator to how future devices in a family will be (case in point the Nook Color to the Nook Tablet)
Check the Z1C forum to see what level of community support there is but take it with a grain of salt, there will be no 100% guarantee of developer support until it's seen and I would recommend waiting a few weeks/months after people get their hands on the device before buying in if community development is a high priority for you in a new device. I'm personally playing the waiting game with my Nexus 4

I'll be shocked if this phone doesn't receive good dev support. Sony phones(the international ones, at least) have always been very easy to root and unlock, and Sony has given no indication that they will change this. And as long as this remains true, you don't need to worry about dev support. The Z1c even has official SlimRoms support.

This is the phone that i like more in Android.
Unfortunately, there is no GPE edition nor an official AOSP firmware.
If Sony releases one of both versions (I doubt it). I'll buy it!
The reason: Well I'm a Nexus follower, and the Nexus 5 (without a case) is already on the limit for one-handed usage (with my hand of course).
There probably won't be more Nexus devices with less than 69.2 cm of width
So I need to go to a smaller (hi-end) phone

I have spoken to people at Sony and I think official AOSP ROM has a good chance of happening. Not guaranteed but a very good chance.

A Google Play Edition Z3C would more-or-less be a dream come true, especially if I could just flash it onto my regular Z3C. I know that has traditionally been possible with other phones, so I can't imagine this phone would be much different.