Please forgive me for posting this thread as I know it's redundant; however, I have searched the forums and have not seen any questions with the same ingredient as I am going to ask.
My biggest "grunt" about the Kaiser (and every other HTC phone for that matter) is that it is unable to record phone calls "internally" through the phone. I have searched and searched for this option and haven't come across anything that's decent. All applications that are out there record the call “externally” and have very poor recording capabilities. I am not interested in taking Notes; I am interested in recording conversations.
What has struck this conversation up again is a little program by the name of "BTAUDIO". This program allows you to listen to music and other forms of media through your BT headset. I haven't quite figured out how this would enable “internal” phone call recording, but it seems as though it pushes us a step closer to our success.
I would be interested in hearing from talented programmers who can possible use this to enable internal phone call recording.
One more thing... please hold back the "Law" aspect of this conversation, I know it and don't want to hear it. Nor do I want this thread to be about "The right thing to do".
Thanks for your input!
Yeah, I wondered about that too. Even if we can't record a conversation through the main phone speaker, could it be possible to record a conversation that is passing through to a wired or BT headset?
the answer to the questions: no, it's not possible to hack into the BT stream. The TekSoft guys have tried it hard - no success.
What I rercommend is, if having a separate phone & PDA isn't a prblem, is getting an additional HTC*s310 (oOxygen). It's able to record calls. Alternatively, if you have more money to burn, get the N95: then, you'll have the best of both (Symbian and WM) worlds.
I also recommend my related articles inj the Wiki - I've published a LOT of articles on the subject.
I am using resco audio recorder, too bad it only record my voice, not the other party.
So I really want to know is there any solution for the kaiser phone.
Thanks!
Get a Grandcentral account. It will enabled you to record any phone call you are having (both parties), by simply pressing 4 on the number pad. The recorded conversation is saved online and can be downloaded to your PC.
Edit: I also thought I would add this: When you record a conversation with grandcentral, it *will* notify the other party they are being recorded. Some states require by law that you notify the other party they are being recorded in a phone conversation. If you are looking for software that will record without notifying the other party, you may be breaking the law, depending on what state you live in (if you live in America, obviously).
How about PM recorder?
I have video enabled under setting but when I try making a video Cal, it drps the video just before startup call continues, only webcam disconnects.
Even more troubling is the fact that my MT4G running CM7 does the exact same thing.
I am very embarrassed borrowing my cousin's I pad to make Skype video calls. Anybody have similar issues?
I have the latest Skype update
works fine for me connecting to iPhone, Linux and HP touchpad.
the problem is on android side. Webcam shuts down. I have no idea why you are posting about all other OS except android
have the person video call you, and you pick up selecting answer with video, and that should work fine.
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I have video enabled under setting but when I try making a video Cal, it drps the video just before startup call continues, only webcam disconnects.
Even more troubling is the fact that my MT4G running CM7 does the exact same thing.
I am very embarrassed borrowing my cousin's I pad to make Skype video calls. Anybody have similar issues?
I have the latest Skype update
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I getting the exact same behavior on my rooted xoom. Is rooting the problem?
solved
turns out she had not updated her skype app on her acbook in ages.
i developed a suspicion after i made a successful video call to an ipod touch.
i guess the outdated instllation just did not support video calling with mobile pltforms
After I updated my HTC One to Android KitKat the Phone only records with one channel (left channel) instead of two (stereo) when using the camcorderfunction.
Anyone having the same issue?
What Rom are you on? I wrote about that when I installed Viper over the weekend. Noticed exact same thing. Thought my second Mic was dead. The only one active is the Mic on the bottom.
But, I returned to my 4.4 stock kit Kat T-Mobile US Rom, and stereo recording is working.
If you can list what Rom you are on that would be great.
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What Rom are you on? I wrote about that when I installed Viper over the weekend. Noticed exact same thing. Thought my second Mic was dead. The only one active is the Mic on the bottom.
But, I returned to my 4.4 stock kit Kat T-Mobile US Rom, and stereo recording is working.
If you can list what Rom you are on that would be great.
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I'm using the stock rom. Just updated from stock 4.3 to 4.4 (4.19.401.9) I'm from Holland. After the factory reset the problem still excist
Not sure...we need more testers to try some video recording and post results.
The problem is that testing a video and relying on the phone speakers to show the problem won't work, since the phone speakers will play the left track through both speakers, giving the appearance that audio was recorded in stereo...
The video needs to be listened through earphones, or copy the video from the phone to PC/MAC and then give it a listen.
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Not sure...we need more testers to try some video recording and post results.
The problem is that testing a video and relying on the phone speakers to show the problem won't work, since the phone speakers will play the left track through both speakers, giving the appearance that audio was recorded in stereo...
The video needs to be listened through earphones, or copy the video from the phone to PC/MAC and then give it a listen.
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I've copied the video to the pc. The sound is still coming from the left channel. I hope this isn't permanently.
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After I updated my HTC One to Android KitKat the Phone only records with one channel (left channel) instead of two (stereo) when using the camcorderfunction.
Anyone having the same issue?
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Anyone, please? Am I the only one here who has this problem with 4.4? (OTA)
I've seen a few posts in the Rom threads where people have brought this up. Saw a post in Revolution and Insert Coin threads.
But we need more people to test video recording and then listen through ear buds or on computer.
Anyone who is on the latest and greatest Sense 5.5 kit Kat builds, can you please make a short video using the Sense camera app, and listen to it through headphones or on computer? Do you only have audio coming out of the left channel?
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I've seen a few posts in the Rom threads where people have brought this up. Saw a post in Revolution and Insert Coin threads.
But we need more people to test video recording and then listen through ear buds or on computer.
Anyone who is on the latest and greatest Sense 5.5 kit Kat builds, can you please make a short video using the Sense camera app, and listen to it through headphones or on computer? Do you only have audio coming out of the left channel?
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Yes. But strangely, when I restart the phone and make a video, then it works perfectly :S But when I make a second video, the audio comes only from the left channel.
I can confirm that.
There is a command, which HTC uses to activate the camcorder mic. Maybe HTC forgot to call this procedure when restarting the 2nd recording.
The function is already present in the phone application to enable the camcorder mic for the noise canceling function.
I use this as a workarround to enable stereo recording.
Maybe someone can compare the old and the new video app to find the "enableCamcorderMic" Function and make it available for other applications. There are some applications which allow to select between the main and the camcorder mic. They work on most devices, which have 2 mics, but not on the HTC ONE. This can be tricked out by switching to the phone application while a recording-application already records. Start a call and cancel the call. Then return to the recording app via taskmanager and you will have 2 channel recording. Unfortunately this does not work for the video app, which cancels video recording when switching to the phone app. But I did not need the workarround in the past for the videoapplicatiom. But now HTC has a bug in it. I hope someone could be able to isolate the "enableCamcorderMic" function.
Ralf
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I can confirm that.
There is a command, which HTC uses to activate the camcorder mic. Maybe HTC forgot to call this procedure when restarting the 2nd recording.
The function is already present in the phone application to enable the camcorder mic for the noise canceling function.
I use this as a workarround to enable stereo recording.
Maybe someone can compare the old and the new video app to find the "enableCamcorderMic" Function and make it available for other applications. There are some applications which allow to select between the main and the camcorder mic. They work on most devices, which have 2 mics, but not on the HTC ONE. This can be tricked out by switching to the phone application while a recording-application already records. Start a call and cancel the call. Then return to the recording app via taskmanager and you will have 2 channel recording. Unfortunately this does not work for the video app, which cancels video recording when switching to the phone app. But I did not need the workarround in the past for the videoapplicatiom. But now HTC has a bug in it. I hope someone could be able to isolate the "enableCamcorderMic" function.
Ralf
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Hi - can you explain in more detail what your workaround is? Take first video - then open phone app - then go back to camera app? Or does this not work anymore.
Anyone else experience this issue of only getting stereo recording in the first go around...exit camera app....go back to camera app start a new video.
listen to the second video you took through headphones or on computer - do you hear both channels?
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Hi - can you explain in more detail what your workaround is? Take first video - then open phone app - then go back to camera app? Or does this not work anymore.
Anyone else experience this issue of only getting stereo recording in the first go around...exit camera app....go back to camera app start a new video.
listen to the second video you took through headphones or on computer - do you hear both channels?
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I described it more detailed here But unfortunately it does not help for the new camera bug, because the video application stops recording, when switching to the phone application. Normal audio application continue recording when taking or receiving a call, so they benefit from the oping of the camcorder channel which the phone application does for the noise canceling funciton.
Did you try to install the old video application from older stock ROM to your phone. Maybe that helps.
Ralf
audioralf said:
I described it more detailed here But unfortunately it does not help for the new camera bug, because the video application stops recording, when switching to the phone application. Normal audio application continue recording when taking or receiving a call, so they benefit from the oping of the camcorder channel which the phone application does for the noise canceling funciton.
Did you try to install the old video application from older stock ROM to your phone. Maybe that helps.
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I actually threw on one of the Sense 6 roms. Guess what, no good. Same exact problem.
Something tells me its in the kernel of 4.4.2.
What's bugging me is that no one else either doesn't notice this problem or doesn't care judging by the lack of of comments I've seen. It would be hard to get a Dev on board to look into if there is lack of interest.
Right now I've flashed a Google play rom. While the Google play Roms don't do video recording in stereo at least mono recording is handled correctly, by distributing the source to both channels.
In sense its not mono in that the right side is just dead. Nothing worse than playing back videos on a computer or TV and having the right speaker sometimes on and then off.
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I actually threw on one of the Sense 6 roms. Guess what, no good. Same exact problem.
Something tells me its in the kernel of 4.4.2.
What's bugging me is that no one else either doesn't notice this problem or doesn't care judging by the lack of of comments I've seen. It would be hard to get a Dev on board to look into if there is lack of interest.
Right now I've flashed a Google play rom. While the Google play Roms don't do video recording in stereo at least mono recording is handled correctly, by distributing the source to both channels.
In sense its not mono in that the right side is just dead. Nothing worse than playing back videos on a computer or TV and having the right speaker sometimes on and then off.
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Yes your observation is totally correct. The camcorder mic is responsible for one channel. If it is not available you will get just one channel. In my testings the phone switched to mono recording from the main mic.
I tested to reinstall an older HTC video app via titanium backup, but it did not start.
Ralf
I can confirm this. I just did an RUU and i recorded using the voice recorder and video recorder and both come out with only 1 channel being used and its the left one.
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/xuxe5l1xvqutp0g/JSajfATqqY That has 4 samples in it, 2 using the latest stock update on the sprint htc one m7 and the other 2 are from the sixth sense rom rls2
I am running 4.19.1540.1
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Ok I see what you're talking about.
Steps to reproduce:
1 Boot to a kit kat sense rom
2 record video A
3 immediately record video B of exact same ambient soundfield. Repeat if desired for videos B1, B2 etc.
4 reboot
5 record video C of exact same ambient soundfield.
Videos A and C are in stereo, video B is in mono.
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I can confirm this. I just did an RUU and i recorded using the voice recorder and video recorder and both come out with only 1 channel being used and its the left one.
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/xuxe5l1xvqutp0g/JSajfATqqY That has 4 samples in it, 2 using the latest stock update on the sprint htc one m7 and the other 2 are from the sixth sense rom rls2
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VoiceRecorder was never able to record in stereo, or select the camcorder mic. It stopps, if you change to other app via task manager. So you can not use my workarround to enable the camcorder mic.
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I am running 4.19.1540.1
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Videos A and C are in stereo, video B is in mono.
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Yes, and following videos D,E, F... Only the first video is in stereo.
So the enableCamcorderMic function ist used in the new video app after reboot. I experimented with killing camera app, gallery and videoplayer after the first video and sometimes I got back the stereo without an reboot. For this I used the app "TaskManager" (not simply the function in the "recent apps" screen). But i could not find a reproducible way.
So we need a firmware switch for this function. Then all apps would profitate from it:
Selecting main or camcorder mic for mono recording.
Using stereo recording.
Using mono recording from both mics. This helps if you held the phone while making notes of a speech (e.g. in university) and recording. On the HTC ONE the main mic points to your body and not in the direction of the speaker.
I hope that one of the devs could find out how HTC enables the camcorder mic in the video app and in the phone application when pressing the call button.
Ralf
audioralf said:
VoiceRecorder was never able to record in stereo, or select the camcorder mic. It stopps, if you change to other app via task manager. So you can not use my workarround to enable the camcorder mic.
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Yes, and following videos D,E, F... Only the first video is in stereo.
So the enableCamcorderMic function ist used in the new video app after reboot. I experimented with killing camera app, gallery and videoplayer after the first video and sometimes I got back the stereo without an reboot. For this I used the app "TaskManager" (not simply the function in the "recent apps" screen). But i could not find a reproducible way.
So we need a firmware switch for this function. Then all apps would profitate from it:
Selecting main or camcorder mic for mono recording.
Using stereo recording.
Using mono recording from both mics. This helps if you held the phone while making notes of a speech (e.g. in university) and recording. On the HTC ONE the main mic points to your body and not in the direction of the speaker.
I hope that one of the devs could find out how HTC enables the camcorder mic in the video app and in the phone application when pressing the call button.
Ralf
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I had asked Kernel Dev Flar2 to see if he could reproduce the problem and he could on his M7. He said he might take a look if he has time, but I think he's got the M8 now, so not 100% sure. Hope that he can.
In the meantime - to counter the issue, I've flashed now a Sense 5.5 Android 4.3 Rom on my phone, running on top of KitKat firmware. Stereo recording acts normal the way its supposed to everytime exiting and reopening camera app. So if you need stereo recording, until someone fixes it, I suggest finding a Sense 5.5 Jellybean Rom.
For me its important because I'm always capturing videos of my 6 year old and can't tell her, 'honey hold on, I need to reboot my phone so I can record you in stereo"....
Somehow we have to grab the attention of HTC so they are aware, I hope they don't leave us hanging now that the M8 is out and attention is focused on that.
It would seem to me that everyone who is on a KitKat firmware/Rom probably has this issue - we just need more testers to confirm and then go to HTC on Twitter/Facebook.
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Well I have reported the missingaudio recording for normal apps months ago. Even to HTC. I have also uploaded them a audiofile to demonstrate the workarroud, but they told be that they will send it to HTC developer team. I am waiting for months so I decided to share the workaround although it is complicated. I think they don't want other developers use both mics for stereo recording. The people should use the own HTC video app to capture stereo videos. But now they have fallen in their own hole by forgetting to insert the enableCamcorder function in the new videoapp for KitKat. It is ouside the normal Android SDK, so normal developers are not able to use the function.
This is really a restriction and a challenge for developers.
And I think HTC has to react and update their video, because many people will complain the missing stereo on video.
The professional musicians are in small minority, but if you once heard the difference between mono and stereo you will always prefer stereo, because you can better understand even an recorded speech in stereo.
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audioralf said:
The professional musicians are in small minority, but if you once heard the difference between mono and stereo you will always prefer stereo, because you can better understand even an recorded speech in stereo.
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I play piano so I do feel your pain a bit! It would be nice to record some of my sample libraries in stereo especially with these hDr mics
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I play piano so I do feel your pain a bit! It would be nice to record some of my sample libraries in stereo especially with these hDr mics
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Yes you can do that even in KitKat for example with Rec Forge 2 app.
Read my instructions for settings and the workarround. I demonstrate the trick in the attached mp3 file. Listen to the result