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Anyone here in the I.T Field?

Hey guys, I just had some quick questions for anyone here that may be in the I.T field..
Im 23 years old and ive decided to go back to school.. so currently im working on an Associates Degree in I.T and trying to get my certs out of the way (CCENT, CCNA and CompTIA A+) But im not going to stop here... computers are a HUGE interest of mine.. I plan to continue on for a bachelors degree in I.T and possibly even a masters after that..
Basically for anyone in the field, do you like what you do? Do you find it interesting? How is the starting pay rate? I live near a major U.S City (NYC) And dont mind commuting back and fourth into the city for work... I was HOPING to start out making 50+ a year with just my associates and certs.. is this being unreasonable?? Someone told me that I.T professionals only start at like 30 grand a year which seems pretty scary to me
My ultimate goal is to be a Database Administrator and run / manage a companys servers / network, however I dont expect that with an Associates, most likely a bachelors+ would be needed??
Basically if anyone has any info about the field that theyd like to share with me, im open ears becaue im extremely interested in this career and any insight would be appreciated.. thank you

I would love to give you some advice, but I mainly work in the S.H.I.T fields
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I have a Bachelor of Engineering in IT. There's such a vast range of areas in IT, that there's always something different or exciting, depending on what you like.
But regarding salaries...doesn't matter what qualifications you have, it's experience that people want, so yes you'll start pretty low if its your first real job in IT, unless you get lucky.

I have done quite a bit of studying for the career because I want to get into it myself. But usually the minimum requirement is a bachelors degree in that field. The starting salary for where I live is 80k which is a lot more than 30k if you ask me haha It's a wide career of choice and you'll always be needed somewhere. Just make sure you keep learning.

the_scotsman said:
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But regarding salaries...doesn't matter what qualifications you have, it's experience that people want, so yes you'll start pretty low if its your first real job in IT, unless you get lucky.
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In my experience, it is better to know that most sysadmins don't document their fixes because IT support is very often undermanned. That's why my boss was very glad that I have some IT background (for some basic troubleshooting at least) and can take quite a load off my company's IT department (combination of cluelessness, lack of cutting edge knowledge AND turnaround time).
Another thing you might find frustrating is that users=stupid. Unless they are smart, then they try to be too smart and you'd get more interesting cases
Last but not least:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/odds/bofh/

As somebody who has been in IT for 13 years. (Holly Crap~!) I would suggest getting a job now. Doesn't matter where who why what and when you need experience. When I hire people I first look at their resume and look for progression. If they are just starting out that isn't as big of an issue. I then look at the descriptions of their jobs, I and most other Managers or Directors are fairly good at detecting BS at least in my experience. I then look at certifications, and this goes back to progression. If you got an A+, and a bunch of other certs in 2000, that isn't nearly as appealing as somebody who shows progression but doesn't have as many certs. Last I look at what if any degree's they have. In the interview I require people to take a simulated test, if it is a basic tech, then its a basic test. For a Network Admin they better be able to console into a switch and find and fix a vlan problem. I don't know how common this is in the industry but it blows me away how many people appear to have the skills required for a position and then fail to do the most basic of tasks for the job they are applying for. This is where experience is KEY! For the most part I don't value a degree, some do but I find that most of the skills required to be successful come from personality and experience.
Also there are TONS of different categories/specialties in IT, Most DBA's don't actually know much about infrastructure, etc.
And then beyond all that different industries have different demands for IT. For instance I worked in the dot com era eCommerce industry for a while, then in the construction (Architectural), and now in healthcare. If you have experience in a particular industry outside of IT I would suggest trying to get into IT in that industry.
I hope all of this helps.
PS For a specialization I recommend virtualization. I had to take my Resume down from careerbuilder because of all the people contacting me based on my VMware / HyperV Experience. I like my job now and don't plan on moving but there seems to be a high demand for that now.

job experience and certs and probably in that order. Degree's in IT are about as useful as coasters, job experience and core competency is what matters and you get almost none of that from a degree

Software developer here with a BENG in Computer Communications - Degree + experience = the big bucks but still depends what area you go into, currently looking at £30k + (UK) with a 2:1 and 3+ years experience for programming but it's only going up from here.
Love what I do gets stressful at times but you just need to find an area you enjoy and stick with it.

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Another thing you might find frustrating is that users=stupid. Unless they are smart, then they try to be too smart and you'd get more interesting cases
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I'm a sysadmin. This comment is my bread and butter for advice

I'm a software developer in england. Primarily self taught and no real qualifications to speak of.
Experience trumps qualifications in my experience.

[Q] Best I.T. field?

Hi, I'm coming to this forum to ask my question 1. Because I know there are a lot of tech-savvy people here and 2. Because I'm on these forums a lot.
I guess my general question is: what is the best IT field to get into now? I really like programming, but I read a couple or places that its projected to go down by 4% from now til 2018ish.
But I read elsewhere that computer engineering is growing rapidly.
I'm 19 years old now, about to start college soon and want to pick a good field in. Something that can defenitely pay good as well.
And I know there's a lot of cross knowledge about IT.
But what's the best IT field tp get into?
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I am a Network Engineer. I think it is a pretty good field, if you don't mind the late nights, and other things. The Networks are the furthest behind right now, and we need competent Engineers to build and run them.

i agree with above..

I agree, however getting companies to spend money on talent and equipment is hard. Its like years ago before companies spent on backups. They wont spend till it bites them.

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I agree, however getting companies to spend money on talent and equipment is hard. Its like years ago before companies spent on backups. They wont spend till it bites them.
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Correct. Working for a Vendor, I see this all the time. It is hard to tell a company that they need new switches every 5 years, especially in this economic time.
The big pusher will be IPv6. That is forcing a lot of companies to look at their infrastructure today. They have this feeling they will be left behind if they aren't IPv6 ready by the end of this year. At least on my view of things - that is the only reason Enterprise side businesses are buying new Routers/Switches.

Enraged21 said:
Hi, I'm coming to this forum to ask my question 1. Because I know there are a lot of tech-savvy people here and 2. Because I'm on these forums a lot.
I guess my general question is: what is the best IT field to get into now? I really like programming, but I read a couple or places that its projected to go down by 4% from now til 2018ish.
But I read elsewhere that computer engineering is growing rapidly.
I'm 19 years old now, about to start college soon and want to pick a good field in. Something that can defenitely pay good as well.
And I know there's a lot of cross knowledge about IT.
But what's the best IT field tp get into?
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The problem with Network Engineering is there is no degree for it. It is a lot of self knowledge and self learning.
Take your Juniper Certifications or Cisco Certifications. Buy books on BGP, OSPF, IS-IS, IPv6, etc.....
Download software to run labs at your house....build a cheap Cisco lab as well.
GNS3 is a good Cisco network simulator.

I know this isn't the advice you're looking for - but I'm going to give you the advice I wish somebody gave me when I was 18.
Screw the market predictions, screw the salary ceilings, screw the skill demand. Find something you really dig and the rest is going to fall into place.
I spent 7 years as a software developer. I got paid far more than I was probably worth, had loads of perks, and life was good. Problem was I didn't get any satisfaction out of writing code anymore (not sure that I ever really did). It took me a long time to figure out, but in the end you're going to spend 40 hours (or often 60 in tech careers) a week doing something for the rest of your working life. Your quality of life is going to improved much, much more by genuinely enjoying those 40-60 hours each week than it will by bringing home 90K/yr. Believe me.
At 29 I took about a $25K/yr pay cut and "started over" as a web/ui designer in a new company. It's one of the best choices I'd ever made - I just wish I'd made it when I was much younger. My life would have been much easier.

Isn't a degree worth more than a certificate?
I'd rather spend more time in school getting a degree rather than doing it quick and getting a certificate.
MickMcGeough said:
I know this isn't the advice you're looking for - but I'm going to give you the advice I wish somebody gave me when I was 18.
Screw the market predictions, screw the salary ceilings, screw the skill demand. Find something you really dig and the rest is going to fall into place.
I spent 7 years as a software developer. I got paid far more than I was probably worth, had loads of perks, and life was good. Problem was I didn't get any satisfaction out of writing code anymore (not sure that I ever really did). It took me a long time to figure out, but in the end you're going to spend 40 hours (or often 60 in tech careers) a week doing something for the rest of your working life. Your quality of life is going to improved much, much more by genuinely enjoying those 40-60 hours each week than it will by bringing home 90K/yr. Believe me.
At 29 I took about a $25K/yr pay cut and "started over" as a web/ui designer in a new company. It's one of the best choices I'd ever made - I just wish I'd made it when I was much younger. My life would have been much easier.
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I know, people are always telling me that. And I'm always open to hearing peoples opinion. I actually would love to do a field in IT... Just don't know what exactly I want. Like I said, I like programming, computer science, etc., but there not gonna need alot of programmers in the near future. My friend is actually a network engineer and makes good money, but I know he'd rather be doing something else.
As for me, I've been doing jack **** for the last two years. I would actually love to spend 40 to 60 hours a week keeping my hands and brains busy.
So I might look into Engineering.. cause that's what it looks like its going into.
I know if it's something with tech involved, I probably won't love it, but I would like it. Better than doing anything else.
2 of the fields I'm looking into:
Computer Engineering Technology (Networking)
Computer Programming and Analysis.
your inputs?

Enraged21 said:
Isn't a degree worth more than a certificate?
I'd rather spend more time in school getting a degree rather than doing it quick and getting a certificate.
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Depends. The way I see it (being in the field) If you want to stay on the Engineering side of things and don't have an interest in being Managerial, then Certs + Time In the Field = More Money than Degree.
If you think Certs are the easy way - then you haven't taken any of the tests. If you want to get into Networking you have to have Certs. Then get a job working in a NOC, or for a smaller ISP. Then you work up.

I'm a field engineer so I go to clients' sites and support their IT/resolve their IT problems.
Being a jack of all trades really helps, and having the right mind is a godsend.
Being able to think on your feet to come up with solutions with very few resources, having high google skills also helps, and a resourceful memory for niggly little problems.
In my experience computer degrees are pointless, industry qualifications actually have value as they bring benefits to companies such as partnership programs.
Whats going to be more appealing to customers? "We have 5 engineers with degrees" or "We're a Microsoft Gold Partner" see what I mean?
The more qualifications you get the more you can ask for in salary.
Contracting is where the real money is, you can get paid stupid amounts of money for doing simple things.
I was getting £200 a day on one contract to just create new users and run reports.

so what you guys are saying is,
it's better to be certified in many fields and work my way up rather than getting a degree in a specific field?

Enraged21 said:
so what you guys are saying is,
it's better to be certified in many fields and work my way up rather than getting a degree in a specific field?
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Yes. And pick a field you enjoy too.

alright. I appreciate your advice.

When I try to pick my major in college, I'm listed 3 choices ( All Computer Engineering )
Cisco Specialization
Microsoft Specialization
Cyber Security and Digital Forensics Specialization
Out of all those three fields? which one would be the best to "specialize" in?
They also have two other fields available which are computer programming and analysis, and computer information technology. Too many people in CPA and they won't need them in the near future. CIT is too broad. And I don't really know about that.

Another approach which might be a bit different is if you can scrape up the money to go to a conference or two, that may give you some insight on the different areas of IT and may help guide you on what you may or may not like. Virtualization is huge now due to the whole "cloud computing" thing. Microsoft/Active Directory/Exchange-type environments are widely used, so any experience there should guarantee you a job and an employee in a company or a solutions architect if you can design that infrastructure... or support for that type of environment which would be a first step in that field. I always believed that if you're the type that's into programming, you'll know it early on. The hard part like others have said is choosing what sub-field you want to specialize in (or that you enjoy).
No matter where you go, things can get pretty deep. I know a few people who chose to be project managers and make a good living not knowing anything technical - just the logistics of it all.

If you are going to get into general IT - to start with stick to CSCO and MSFT.
You can't go wrong with acquiring certs from either. While it doesn't hurt to know both - at some point you will find you either like to design and support the network (CSCO). Or you like to do AD, LDAP, Server type of stuff (MSFT).
If you wanted mine on which to chose of the 3 you have, I would suggest trying to get internships at each one, to see which you like. College is expensive, and you don't want to have to go back multiple times, because the degree you got wasn't something you liked.
Take an Internship at a smaller ISP. This will give you a chance to check out both the Network (CSCO) side of things, and Systems (MSFT/Linux/BSD) side of things. Most larger companies (Fortune 500) will split it up like this anyways, as it is too much to wear both hats. So you will have your team of Network Engineer's and your team of Systems Engineers/Admins who generally all report up to a single director/vp.

Don't really have the money or the time to intern. That's why I came seeking advice.
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Two fields spring immediately to mind. Computer Forensics and Computer Security.
Both growth industries and interesting too i imagine.

I'll try to make this my last rant here.
I know you came here asking for advice - but I hope you understand that all advice is necessarily autobiographical.
A lot will disagree with me here, but degrees and certs are worth little. Good instruction is infinitely valuable, demonstrable skills are infinitely valuable, and you can get those in post-secondary schooling, but the piece of paper itself will only help you get your first job, when you have no experience, and the person hiring you is either too lazy to verify your skills, or is unable to do so.
Probably the best developer I ever hired was entirely self-taught. The worst was one of the most highly-educated individuals I'd ever interviewed.
I don't know where you got your information about the software development market drying up but I think you're making too big a deal out of it. I cannot fathom a future in which a good software developer's skills are obsolete. You'll have to switch languages/environments many times in your career, but if you dig coding, just go be the best coder you can.
I implore you, try out some different stuff in school and stick to whatever it is that gets your motor going. Don't worry about a 4% market downturn or what industries might grow. Nobody can predict more than 5-10 years away, and you're going to be doing whatever it is you choose for 30-40 years.

[Q] I'm 18 and I need a job!

I've been fortunate enough to have parents who have been able to make it possible for me to not have to work. I've never had a job before, but I'm really interested and I would like to get working somewhere! I am just finishing high school, and I am starting College after summer, I have an entire summer free to work! But where o:
Well first let me mention this. I have a close friend who currently works at Papa Murphy's, he knows there's an open spot for me and I could get a job there no question, according to him. Has anyone here worked at a similar business who could provide me with some insight regarding a Pizza place, or fast food in general? Like it, hate it, or just okay?
Other than that little.. idea, I have nothing else in mind specifically, I'm looking for recommendations! I'm into tech, and while I'm not professional in any one area of tech, I would certainly consider myself more knowledgeable with technology than your average consumer.
Best Buy maybe? Target? A Grocery store?
I have nothing specific in mind, if there's anything you would be willing to share with me, please do! A job you liked, a job you hated, things to look for and things to stay away from, anything! Share me with me your wisdom from experience!

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I've been fortunate enough to have parents who have been able to make it possible for me to not have to work. I've never had a job before, but I'm really interested and I would like to get working somewhere! I am just finishing high school, and I am starting College after summer, I have an entire summer free to work! But where o:
Well first let me mention this. I have a close friend who currently works at Papa Murphy's, he knows there's an open spot for me and I could get a job there no question, according to him. Has anyone here worked at a similar business who could provide me with some insight regarding a Pizza place, or fast food in general? Like it, hate it, or just okay?
Other than that little.. idea, I have nothing else in mind specifically, I'm looking for recommendations! I'm into tech, and while I'm not professional in any one area of tech, I would certainly consider myself more knowledgeable with technology than your average consumer.
Best Buy maybe? Target? A Grocery store?
I have nothing specific in mind, if there's anything you would be willing to share with me, please do! A job you liked, a job you hated, things to look for and things to stay away from, anything! Share me with me your wisdom from experience!
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Things you need to ask yourself before getting a job:
-Do I need or want a job?
-What for?
-Do I have a specific field I'm interested on?
-How much money do I require to survive?
-If need to drive...do I own a car?
-Will I take this job seriously or just need something to kill time?
-Can I do something on my own before I get involved in the corporate world?
-Is there any small shops where I may be able to get training on a specific trade/skill?
After you gather this info, then carry on with what is more convenient to you.
Cheers,

M_T_M said:
Things you need to ask yourself before getting a job:
-Do I need or want a job?
-What for?
-Do I have a specific field I'm interested on?
-How much money do I require to survive?
-If need to drive...do I own a car?
-Will I take this job seriously or just need something to kill time?
-Can I do something on my own before I get involved in the corporate world?
-Is there any small shops where I may be able to get training on a specific trade/skill?
After you gather this info, then carry on with what is more convenient to you.
Cheers,
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Thanks for the reply!
Although my parents pay for my food, education (currently), and other normal expenses, I typically have to come up with my own money for something that isn't necessary, or the occasional "gift".
I want a job for the extra money so I can gain experience, and become more financial independent from my parents. I have a car and I live in a pretty populated city, not a major city, and I know there's tons of work available. I'll certainly take any job seriously, and I truly do enjoy becoming more educated in.. anything really!
I have a car and I do not "need" a job, which I know understand my title may be misleading.. oops, but I certainly want it for reasons more important than just "to kill time" d:

Go to college...or a trade school. Learn to code. Learn to do what you love so someone will love to hire you doing what you love. Do not settle for something just because you need a job. Work hard to do something you enjoying working hard at. If you enjoy tech, learn something in the tech field and search for jobs related to it. In an article written by the Bureau of Labor Statistics in 2013, it was estimated that between 2010 and 2020, jobs in computer systems design and related services "is expected to grow at an average annual rate of 6.1 percent, compared with 3.6 percent for the broad industry category—professional, scientific, and technical services—and 2.9 percent for all industries." You are young and you are interested in one of the most profitable markets currently available. Use that interest to advance your career and your life. It's not enough to just love tech...you have to do your best to learn about the industry surrounding it so you can profit from the advances and secure your future.
Just my two cents.

Start phone repairs. Saying you started you own business at 18 has to be a big plus.
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you can get job online.. but it takes a hardwork and patience to earn money online...

I got one

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I got one
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Which one?? Online?

Actually there are online sites which pay you for completing surveys you can get upto $1 per survey in some sites like clixsence.......

Starting a Repair Business need advice and help

I am in the process of getting a business license, and have a good size shop already. i m redoing the interior to match my needs. I live in France and the Government is going to pay my basic salary for one year to help small business owners get on their feet. my plan is to do repairs and sell phones new and used, smart watches, scooters. and misc. stuff to gain revenue. A unlocking service is a great idea, and i have no idea where to start with this. Any and all feed back is welcomed in this area. Is it a program, is it a general site i can go to, who do you trust because i have done a little research in this area and as you can see there is a lot of scams on the internet. Also, where is a good place to get repair screens for the major phone that are out there. I know and have tried ordering some from china, but prices differ for a reason. Please shoot some ideas my way, I would like to get more involved in this site, so conversations are welcomed to in this thread. Also since sports is a addiction here in Europe, I would like to find a app both for iphone and android to stream sports. Something like Kodi, but that sometimes is unreliable because repos come and go. So if you have experience in making repos, i would love to shoot some ideas to see if i can implement them into my plan.

Removed an uneeded and unwanted part of your OP and moved this to off-topic for you. :good:

Ask Moto to help the keyboard mod, possibly the last chance for indie mods to produce

Moto ran the Transform the Smartphone Challenge on Indiegogo more than a year ago. 50 mods entered, only 2 or 3 ever got anywhere near a product. Moto wierdly chose 2 'winners' from the contest to receive financial and other support which were never heard from again, leaving the keyboard mod that had demonstrated demand and ability to produce on its own, scrounging for support wherever they could. Perhaps moto thought livermorium had proven they didn't need help, but moto should have known better, manufacturing is hard and tiny organizations with no cash reserves could always use support.
With the drop out of edge some months ago, only the keyboard mod remains within spitting distance of shipping. They actually did begin manufacturing and shipping units, but had to start over and recall them thanks to Motorola's issues with oreo OTAs. Now after all the delays, with some caused by moto, perhaps including their recent executive shakeups, Livermorium (the company making the keyboard mod) is struggling. I'm confident they'll pull through because they've got serious will to survive, but they shouldn't be left twisting in the wind alone. Moto needs to step and prove that an indie mod is possible, even as a slate of new mods gets listed on Indiegogo that few are willing to take seriously because of last year. Moto started this, they asked 3rd parties to invest in the ecosystem, they promised support, they made users believe their own pledges mattered and encouraged us to put up out money to help the ecosystem. They have the resources, and they need help livermorium over the finish line.
We have limited means to contact, and this is a long shot, but it's the best I've got. If Moto is worth its salt, they'll have a director of social media capable of elevating a popular request to more important eyes, but to reach even that person, we need to amplify the request. The tweet below doesn't need to be the only means of reaching out, but it has started to get some traction and a few seconds retweeting or liking it may be the best bang for the buck in reaching them. Please reach out to moto anyway you please, whether you are pro-keyboard or not, because if this mod fails, the best run, closest, most in demand of the indies (it raised more funds than all the other Transform challenge mods combined), why would anyone actually put money down on another crowdfunded mod?
I think we all know that the Moto Z line itself is resting on the edge of a bubble. It might last or it might not. All that will depend on the health of its mod ecosystem. Moto mods are the most interesting thing to hit smartphones in ages, I'd hate to see this disappear. Not just this one indie mod, but others that could follow it if it can prove that indie mods can be trusted would contribute greatly to saving the Moto Z line.
TL;DR: Your likes, retweets and replies will help elevate this request and make it more likely that Motorola will see and care about making indie mods credible for users to back and enriching motomods ecosphere at large: https://twitter.com/fortunzfavor/status/986714582659018754 If you prefer to send your own tweet, please post it and I will happily retweet and like to help elevate polite, on point requests.

While lenovo ( moto ) does have some blame in this situation , i think it's fair to also state that livermorium at least "overshot" things a bit here..
Backers have been promised at least a couple of things and the product has gone thru a ton of re-thinks and rebuilds.
Time and time again the backers had to accept that there was another change and another 'update' made to the product...
Livermorium was more then happy to go to CES and make quite a splash about the keyboard , even go as far as hinting to a retail release of the product.
While it is a logical move to take a piss on lenovo , we have to consider that a lot of the issues could have been prevented if the seemingly endless list of changes
and updates was cut out to get the product to the backers at least.
Livermorium is a little bit too eager to 'whine' about the fact that they are out of funds and that a lot of 'new problems' have come up out of nowhere.
I backed the product and i have been very patient but with a long list of shifted deadlines i must be honest and state that i have lost allmost all hope
in this project.
Lets all hope that this idea finally comes to a product very soon , the wait has been too long...

I was unaware of the issues with the mod, but I was looking forward for it as well. I'm a serious typer and I still use the T9 compact because I think it's faster and could think of a couple of situations where the mod would be dope
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