I was curious, would we be able to use Samsung Pay on the Gear S2 if the device its connected with has a voided warranty? (i.e. rooted before).
Ill be getting the Gear S2, but have been holding off on rooting my phone to see how Samsung Pay really is.
I highly doubt it. The phone's Pay app is the host and the Gear's a client with a subset of functionality. It probably picks up the data it needs from the terminal and hands it off to the phone for processing. We'll know in October.
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I highly doubt it. The phone's Pay app is the host and the Gear's a client with a subset of functionality. It probably picks up the data it needs from the terminal and hands it off to the phone for processing. We'll know in October.
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Logically. The watch only acts as an extension, its not a standalone unit. Unless you get the 3G model, then it might be a different story since its a standalone unit that doesn't depend on a host. Well if you think about it, Samsung said their payment will not work on devices with poped efuses, but they also said the Gear S2 can be setup and paired to other phones than samsung. The question is, do you need a samsung to get pay to work on the watch or will it just be an app you can download, or possibly integrated into the gear manager of the other phone...until we get more details from samsung, its only speculation
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The question is, do you need a samsung to get pay to work on the watch or will it just be an app you can download, or possibly integrated into the gear manager of the other phone...until we get more details from samsung, its only speculation
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They pretty clearly said only a subset of features would be available on non-Samsung devices. I doubt Samsung Pay would make the cut. As it stands, mail, mms, and calendar only work with their Samsung host equivalents and that probably won't change. There are so many layers of security in the host app at the OS and h/w level I don't even see Samsung Pay being offered on non-Samsung devices having nothing to do with the Gear. They have opened up access to the SDK so third parties could access the NFC chip but, as a long time Gear owner, no one wants to write apps for a low volume product that runs Tizen. The dirth of apps is probably the biggest obstacle Samsung's wearables need to overcome. Unless it sells in the millions I don't see the Gear S2 changing that.
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I'm getting excited about the Samsung Gear S Smartwatch that was announced (due in Oct internationally). However, the Tizen OS concerns me a bit because I don't know much about it. What I'd like to do is replacement my smart phone entirely with it, but be able to tether my Wifi Android Table to it when I need the use of a larger form factor. I had a few questions I'm not sure if people already know, or will have to wait until the phone is fully out.
- Can the watch provide internet (via wifi tether) to a Wifi-only android tablet? I'm not sure if Tizen has to be rooted (or some such) to enable the capability.
- Will it be able to connect directly to a bluetooth headset without a smart phone?
- I use the low-cost carrier called PagePlus (operates using Verizon wireless towers). Will I be able to easily get it working on PagePlus as long as they offer one w/ CDMA or LTE?
Today's presentation said it needs to be connected to an approved Samsung phone for setup and to install apps. It will require its own phone plan, and it only does 3G, so even if you could tether it (which I doubt) IMO it would be very slow and kill the battery very fast.
Their current Tizen watches support a bluetooth headset, so this one will probably be able to as well.
Nothing was said about carriers, but I don't know how the required SIM card would work with a CDMA carrier anyway.
Tizen software may be a deal killer. I don't think many developers want to spend time on such minuscule market hardware from Samsung only.
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It looks nice but Tizen? Even Sony is going with Android Wear.
For me a watch can never replace a cell phone.
Has anyone tried connecting a Gear S2/S3 to their Mi Mix? I got it to connect to my 3g Gear S2 just fine and gave all the apps all the permissions they needed (and then some) but the Samsung Pay app won't show up in the gear app for install and nothing, and I mean nothing, will show up in the galaxy app store. I've tried 2 factory reboots and rebooting my phone and still nothing. To me, the Gear S2 is worthless without a working galaxy app store. Anyone else have this problem or have a possible solution? My Huawei watch works perfectly as does my Pebble Time Steel so the Gear S2 seems to be the only one with an issue.
Please help! Thanks.
If I remember the Samsung store app won't run on non Samsung devices, could be wrong though. I dropped Samsung watches awhile back after the proprietary behavior they showed with the early Fit's ... went to a Moto 360 and haven't looked back.
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If I remember the Samsung store app won't run on non Samsung devices, could be wrong though. I dropped Samsung watches awhile back after the proprietary behavior they showed with the early Fit's ... went to a Moto 360 and haven't looked back.
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Well I would agree except my Gear S2 works perfectly on my old Nexus 6P and Honor 8. So I'm thinking there is something that is blocking its use. I have noticed that the China rom blocks a few things (google opinion rewards for example). I've tried the latest global official rom too and it is even worse. I can't even connect the watch to the phone before the gear app just crashes. I guess it just won't work on MIUI. No big deal really as my Huawei watch is sufficient and nicer in my opinion.
I have the same error with my Samsung Pay Gear S2 app. Whenever I try to open it, it returns the error that Samsung Pay cannot be accessed by rooted devices for security reasons. Unroot your device to use Samsung Pay. I have downloaded the SuperUs app to try to unroot it and it says that no root detected on my phone. My Samsung Pay app used to work just fine until they upgraded it. Now it doesn't work anymore.
Does Samsung Pay work on non Samsung devices?
I have googled but haven't found answer:
With the use of Magisk one can root his device and yet use Android Pay
but what risks for the user to have his money used by a thief in possession of his rooted smartphone?
You can remotely wipe the device via Android Device Manager..
But no chance that my Android Pay is used before I wipe the device?
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But no chance that my Android Pay is used before I wipe the device?
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What if you removed the card that has been setup from Google Wallet Website?
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but what risks for the user to have his money used by a thief in possession of his rooted smartphone?
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The exact same as a thief in possession of an unrooted phone. The Android Pay root prohibition is a precaution against software security breaches, not physical theft of the phone.
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What if you removed the card that has been setup from Google Wallet Website?
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I don't understand you?
I am worrying that the thief or the people who finds my smartphone uses it before I can wipe the phone.
I rather have it impossible to use my android pay.
I was wondering if Google tried to unable android pay on a rooted phone because it would be too easy for someone else to exploit it.
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I don't understand you?
I am worrying that the thief or the people who finds my smartphone uses it before I can wipe the phone.
I rather have it impossible to use my android pay.
I was wondering if Google tried to unable android pay on a rooted phone because it would be too easy for someone else to exploit it.
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A thief that steals you phone will have the same access as one that steals an unrooted phone.
You need to physically secure your device. This is no different that a bad guy getting hold of your credit card.
This is exactly why a password is required to unlock the phone.
A rooted phone may have data compromised by an application if you grant it root.
This is the issue.
I grant permissions mainly to Titanium Backup and AdAway.
My concern was that someone could use my Android Pay by plugging it to its computer and knowing a little bit of computing.
It seems it isn't the case so I think I'll root the next smartphone I am receiving in a few days.
I also use root to install apps for changing build.prop or dpi/font, if I follow what you say, by denying cellular and wifi access to these apps, I should be safe, right?
I do believe that NFC control and internet access are two separate permission,and so does the process​. Since NFC can work without a SIM,and run on it's own piece of hardware,we can assume that NFC and phone's radio signal have almost nothing to do with one another.All of your credit card information would actually be storred on the NFC hardware encrypted rather than your phone's system. Evidently by the fact that banks and phone companies have been offering NFC stick on accessories for unsupported smartphone.The app only act as a terminal to let you control your NFC hardware.
So in short,NFC is much safer than a normal credit card, information stored by NFC can't be access by any level of phone system access.But a rooted phone might allow others to bypass your screen lock and turn on your NFC.
P/s: build.prop can be edited as easily as using a file manager with root access.Or if you're that lazy just find a zip file and flash it.Any build.prop editing app are essentially scam!!
Along with my regular bank account, I use Simple bank. Simple bank is the only card I use in Android Pay.
Their Android app allows you to block and unblock your card instantly. So I'll keep the card blocked all day everyday until I'm about to use it at a terminal/online/ATM to make a purchase. Once it goes through I block it again immediately. If someone gets ahold of my phone when I don't notice, they can try to use Android Pay, but it won't work since I keep it blocked. See? The only real scenario they could get around that is if they steal my phone out of my hands while I'm in line at a store with security cameras, right after I unblock it. In that situation though, I'd just take out my Nexus 5 (main phone is Nexus 6P) and block it on that since I have it installed on both. Any attempted purchases while blocked will be declined. I also like this method because if my card gets skimmed at an ATM / gas station, I'll see declined purchases on the card without actually losing any money. Then I can just report it as stolen / skimmed and have it deactivated and sent a new one.
Here's a link to the bank app if you want to look into it. You apply right from the app and get an account setup (if approved) within a few business days;
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.banksimple
I should also note that they only recently (less than a week) started supporting Android Pay. They use a partner bank to back them. It used to be Bancorp, but they switched to BBVA Compass. You'll need the BBVA backing bank to use AP. Bancorp is not supported. I believe they switched everyone to the new partner bank & all new customers use them as well, but it might be worth it to look into their support site or call them yourself to be sure.
Magisk is not altering system partition
So your apps actually can't be tampered and people can't get info from apps. The main issue in rooted devices people can get the information stored in app's private database and preferences so what actually Magisk is doing moving or helping the banking apps or apps those need to be run to a more safe place that is safe from outside activities.
First, I'm just in shock t here's a phone that can't be rooted. It just blows my mind and really, I'm saddened by it. It totally defeats the original idea behind Android - a device that people can root, voiding their warranty, develop - A lot of Amateur dev'd features have been incorporated into Android as it's grown over the years, and modify. Even the Judicial system said end users have the right to do what they want to their device and void the warranty at their own discretion.
However, even if it does ever actually come out and even if VZW DOES carry it and even if I could afford it, which I doubt, I really like th Z force, from what I've seen and read.
So how are you guys who have always used rooted, mod'd devices living without root??
I guess I can learn to give up most of my root required apps, begrudgingly, but TB?? How could I ever transfer my apps and data (MUST have data transferred too) without root??
What about bloatware? It's like giving up sex for me to give up root. Aaaauuuggghhhhh
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First, I'm just in shock t here's a phone that can't be rooted. It just blows my mind and really, I'm saddened by it. It totally defeats the original idea behind Android - a device that people can root, voiding their warranty, develop - A lot of Amateur dev'd features have been incorporated into Android as it's grown over the years, and modify. Even the Judicial system said end users have the right to do what they want to their device and void the warranty at their own discretion.
However, even if it does ever actually come out and even if VZW DOES carry it and even if I could afford it, which I doubt, I really like th Z force, from what I've seen and read.
So how are you guys who have always used rooted, mod'd devices living without root??
I guess I can learn to give up most of my root required apps, begrudgingly, but TB?? How could I ever transfer my apps and data (MUST have data transferred too) without root??
What about bloatware? It's like giving up sex for me to give up root. Aaaauuuggghhhhh
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There's several Android devices that cannot be rooted, certainly ones designed for Verizon (Droids)
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There's several Android devices that cannot be rooted, certainly ones designed for Verizon (Droids)
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True that, but I'm not interested in those lol
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True that, but I'm not interested in those lol
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Well for me the biggest difference is I used to use Playstation controllers, so I had to switch to a gamesir g3s which is the same size and shape but does not require root. Nothing else I do requires root so Im perfectly fine not having it. I miss mhl far more than root since I used it a lot with a bluetooth keyboard and mouse with chrome remote desktop, but I bought a laptop to eliminate that.
I'm really missing the following apps:
Titanium Backup
Ad Blockers that actually work well (AdAway, MinMinGuard, UnbelovedHosts)
Viper4Android
File Browsers that can access the entire filesystem (allowing me to debloat stock apps, among other things).
I can partially work around the ad blockers thing by spending a few extra bucks to purchase some apps that I don't use often enough to have already warranted a purchase, and using DNS66 for non-secure uses (a less than optimal solution, since I can't trust some random server on the internet which could theoretically hit me with a MITM attack...I turn it off whenever security is a concern).
There really is no good workaround for TiBu, V4A, or root file explorers.
But the benefits are that I can now use Android Pay, and don't need to fight with SnapChat every time I need to log back in.
The negatives far outweigh the benefits, and I don't want to ever buy a non-rootable phone again. GFY Verizon.
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I'm really missing the following apps:
Titanium Backup
Ad Blockers that actually work well (AdAway, MinMinGuard, UnbelovedHosts)
Viper4Android
File Browsers that can access the entire filesystem (allowing me to debloat stock apps, among other things).
I can partially work around the ad blockers thing by spending a few extra bucks to purchase some apps that I don't use often enough to have already warranted a purchase, and using DNS66 for non-secure uses (a less than optimal solution, since I can't trust some random server on the internet which could theoretically hit me with a MITM attack...I turn it off whenever security is a concern).
There really is no good workaround for TiBu, V4A, or root file explorers.
But the benefits are that I can now use Android Pay, and don't need to fight with SnapChat every time I need to log back in.
The negatives far outweigh the benefits, and I don't want to ever buy a non-rootable phone again. GFY Verizon.
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That's what I wanted to hear. Guess I'll have to pass on this one. No Backup, or V4A is not acceptable for me
The only complaint that I have is that some of the pre-installed apps are not able to be uninstalled. theres 4? or so that I can't get rid of
This is my first non-rootable phone and I have mixed feelings about that. As a stock platform, the Z Force is a great phone and does almost all that I could ask for from a pocket computer. I love having stock Android and like having WiFi calling, though it's a pain to switch back and forth: go into airplane mode, then switch WiFi on to make WiFi calls. Of course, you have to remember to turn airplane mode off when you get back into service.
I also miss Titanium Backup and the ability to completely remove apps I have no interest in having on my phone. All things being equal, I find that I can live without root on this phone. Battery life is great, it's fast, and it gets frequent and regular updates.
Really, no root?
So I just as well stay with my old rooted Droid Turbo. I came here thinking its time I look for a newer Motorola phone, that I can root.
What if I buy an unlocked Z Force? Can it be rooted then?
It seems that the regular Moto Z can be rooted according to this thread:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-z/how-to/guide-how-to-root-moto-z-supersu-t3551113
So why can the Force not also be rooted?
Stuck with VZW Malware
I'd like to add to my original list of complaints about not having root.
The topic: AppFlash
Verizon now pushes the AppFlash malware onto every Android device. Without root, it can not be removed properly. I tried to disable the app via Settings, and it "uninstalled" an "update" so now AppFlash doesn't appear in the Apps list, but I still get messages that "AppFlash has crashed" multiple times per day. I work in an area with minimal cell service and no GPS service, and I strongly supect that it's AppFlash that's trying to spy on me, which is causing my phone to be constantly seeking location via GPS and draining my battery. It's only the last month or two that I've noticed it being this bad, and that does seem to correspond with the time that people started reporting the latest wave of AppFlash installations.
Make no bones about it, this is spyware, pushed by Verizon, that tracks your location, calls home to report everything ELSE they've spied on you as well, drains battery rapidly, and can not be removed!
This was the final straw, Verizon. I'm going to move back to iPhone (at least VZW can't crap up iOS too badly, like they can with Android) and then convince my wife to finally fire those VZW bums and switch to T-Mobile or Google Fi.
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I'd like to add to my original list of complaints about not having root.
The topic: AppFlash
Verizon now pushes the AppFlash malware onto every Android device. Without root, it can not be removed properly. I tried to disable the app via Settings, and it "uninstalled" an "update" so now AppFlash doesn't appear in the Apps list, but I still get messages that "AppFlash has crashed" multiple times per day. I work in an area with minimal cell service and no GPS service, and I strongly supect that it's AppFlash that's trying to spy on me, which is causing my phone to be constantly seeking location via GPS and draining my battery. It's only the last month or two that I've noticed it being this bad, and that does seem to correspond with the time that people started reporting the latest wave of AppFlash installations.
Make no bones about it, this is spyware, pushed by Verizon, that tracks your location, calls home to report everything ELSE they've spied on you as well, drains battery rapidly, and can not be removed!
This was the final straw, Verizon. I'm going to move back to iPhone (at least VZW can't crap up iOS too badly, like they can with Android) and then convince my wife to finally fire those VZW bums and switch to T-Mobile or Google Fi.
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How is the iPhone working out on Fi?
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How is the iPhone working out on Fi?
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Haha, I know, right? Reading comprehension can be hard.
As I said, my plan was to FIRST move back to an iPhone, THEN switch to T-Mobile OR Google Fi (the implication being, that when changing networks, one must obviously either have or obtain compatible hardware). Unfortunately, in my area only VZW has reliable 4G coverage without dead zones in the places where we need service the most. The wife has put her foot down about switching networks for the time being.
At least my iPhone, while older, still has the most recent version of iOS and is unencumbered by Verizon's malware. It's a reasonable compromise at the moment.
Since Z Force seems to be non-rootable, does it mean that camera2 api support level on the phone cannot be improved?
Or is there any way to enable Camera2 API Without Root on this phone?
also, can someone PLEASE help me on this QUERY...
What is Camera2 API support level on Moto Z FORCE
https://forum.xda-developers.com/z-force/themes/camera2-api-support-level-moto-z-force-t3863829
Its so sad not to have root on a very capable device like the Z force
I was running a U1 XAA build of Android 10 2.0 with the
June 1 Security patch that I'd downloaded and flashed
from Sammobile.
Awhile ago I downloaded and flashed the U1 XAA 2.1 update from the same place and noticed that there
are a number of apps I can no longer deny Wifi Control
access to under the Apps Special access area:
DeviceTest
DeviceKeystring
FACM
Gear VR Service
Voice wake-up
being 5 out of the 12 I cant deny access to.
Also I am no longer able to disable Google Play Services
whereas before in 2.0 I could. I'm not even allowed to forcestop Play Services now! Its not just these two changes, there are other things I used to be able to disable but now can't. And I have *two* 'SmartThings'
apps, one is version 10.0.37.0 and the other is version
1.7.50-21 (the-21 is just how its listed.)
I know this all sounds somewhat tame and trivial but I would like to know if this is all normal and can be confirmed by anyone else.
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**Update**
Okay, just wanted to post some info on some sort of resolution to the above, mostly for those who make honest and earnest pleas for help and ask really pertinent questions but are ignored by the knowledgable (or criminal)
peruser.
In short, I was hacked. It doesn't come as a surprise (has happened *many* times with my N9. It *does* make me wonder about that supposed military-grade Knox security)
How do you know if you're hacked?? I just used the Running Services lister under Development Tools. Look
for services that shouldn't be running as often as they do
(Last hack they had Samsung Push which is for delivering notifications related to Samsung apps?? running something as a Service (not sure what it was but as soon as I stopped it, it popped right back up) or things you never use or have deactivated showing up in the cache (ESPECIALLY Aircommand!! Disable this as a Trusted Agent immediately! And keep an eye on it, and always keep the Air Remote feature OFF).
Also, the Google Play Store app. When I flashed the July 2020 Security update I noticed the Play Store was still at the May 2020 version update. I didn't think much of it at the time, but after having to Factory Reset I noticed it now read July 1 2020. So I guess the 'worms' have the May version hacked. Sucks that villany loves working for free breaking stuff, but in order to build something up and protect it, it takes toil and coercion.
Finally (Not sure if this is actually a sign of malware or hacking, but the only reference I could find relating to it
was from a guy who was truly beleaguered by hackers)
theres a User Certificate under Biometrics & Security / Other
Security settings / User Certificates that reads as
'FindMyMobile' and purports to being necessary for VPN security and other applications. Well, I had Find My Mobile
deactivated and uninstalled via ADB and it still showed back up after being deleted numerous times and my VPN seems to work without it. It might be for the Note 9's
built-in Knox android VPN strengthening parameters, but I couldn't find nfo online about it anywhere except in the case I mentioned which seems very odd. Qualifying proof of its malicious intent for me?: After factory resetting it hasn't shown back up.
I dont think my N9 is cleaned or I should say I'll never trust a smart phone fully again, not until the outdated and hacked 40 year old SS7 protocol that runs all cellular communications is updated, not until something more reliably secure than 'somewhat' obsfucatingly complex baseband processors are present in phones and maybe something akin to a hardware firewall in the soc that can interpret and filter non-carrier invalid commands (prob only need to update that damn SS7 protocol!) I'd also love it if Google/Alphabet would dump Android and start over with a new updated mobile OS with security at the forefront (Think, updates delivered via 'Middleware', roms bought initially directly from the manufacturer that can be crytographically flashed up to three times with signed updates with each update burned and locked into the rom via fuses. Each factory reset brings you back to your last update. The roms are only updatable if a hardware dip switch is tripped which moves actual physical leads in the soc which powers the ability to flash this chip. And maybe screw AOSP, I wonder if all this open sourceness has actually given the malware creators more knowledge to
finess the software and the hardware. The so-called white-hat 'Ethical Hackers' (LOL! HOW can breaking into someone's personal space without permission outside of national defense be considered ethical?!? All hackers are criminals. If you want to be considered a 'good' hacker (*snort*) bring to light the measly exploits and software, the slime who make and distribute the same and tell how to protect against them and detect them and disable them. Criminals giving webinars and seminars about how to circumvent protections for devices that billions of people rely on for living should be outlawed FULL-STOP-PERIOD I'd rather have one slime who knows how to get into a system than having that slime be allowed to freely distribute the software and knowledge so that millions of other definately less conscionable scum can make use of his knowledge.)
hackers only care about making their fame and fortune by
beinging to light obscure and unknown exploits that no one has ever used or are likely to use than going after to exoloits that *are* in use and *do* affect those in the here and now. It must give some sense of ease not to be in contention with real criminality and the fear of any reprisals from the 'less-ethically saturated' in the tech community.
Just wanted to get that out somewhere. I know its pointless and no-one will listen. Look at what Edward Snowden sacrificed for people who were/are unworthy of *any* sacrifice by betraying everything bit by bit, battle by battle until it must one day be reclaimed (if it can be) via costly confrontation, disruption and perhaps irrevocable critical loss.
Okay, END RANT. Yeah, a slow day, corona cloud and all.
But seriuosly the Feds need to check all this electronic criminality, its gotten waaay out of hand. TO FEDS: Less hunting terrorists, MORE hunting electronic predators and anarchists!
Hi, @tamdwin,
Even though you believe your phone may have been hacked, DeviceKeystring, DeviceTest, EmergencyManagerService, FACM, IMS Service, IOTHiddenMenu, Samsung MirrorLink 1.1, Settings, Setup Wizard, Wi-Fi Direct & WlanTest are enabled on my Note9 with One UI 2.1, Security patch: 1 July 2020 (w/out Google Play Services/Google Play Store, Bixby, GearVR, DeX...only have Google Services Framework installed).
After downloading the 1 July 2020 Security update, I noticed that these services could no longer be turned off for wi-fi control.
Wish I never downloaded the update for the fancy camera features, lol.
Snowden? Have you read any of his articles on smartphone security? (you may want to throw your phone in a blender after reading...)
Some of the settings, such as disabling "Find My Mobile" from running in the background, reset/enable after you restart the phone.
Snowden? Have you read any of his articles on smartphone security? (you may want to throw your phone in a blender after reading...)
But will it blend!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FN9mktgYZJ8
I am worried about these things, so I am looking at developing my own custom ROM.
Sorry for my English I Am brazillian
@P00r ROFL! The Samsung S4 Active shake looks delicious! Thank you for sharing the vid!
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I am worried about these things, so I am looking at developing my own custom ROM.
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That sounds like an excellent plan!