So.... my contract upgrade and Valentines Day fell right on top of each other and my wonderful woman made a new Note 3 and Gear ($150 deal at Best Buy) happen for me (ain't she the best?).
Could someone advise me to the advantages and or disadvantages of not rooting the Note while still rooting and modding the Gear? I am not new to the root/mod world having done so on previous phones (2 previous Evo 4Gs, 2 EvoLTEs, and a few others for friends and family). I basically only needed root for wifi tether and titanium backup but would rather not muck up my new devices with aftermarket roms unless there is distinct benefit in doing so. I do see the advantages of root/modding the gear but what do I lose by not root/modding the Note as well?
Thanks in advance for any and all advice.
natefuhr said:
So.... my contract upgrade and Valentines Day fell right on top of each other and my wonderful woman made a new Note 3 and Gear ($150 deal at Best Buy) happen for me (ain't she the best?).
Could someone advise me to the advantages and or disadvantages of not rooting the Note while still rooting and modding the Gear? I am not new to the root/mod world having done so on previous phones (2 previous Evo 4Gs, 2 EvoLTEs, and a few others for friends and family). I basically only needed root for wifi tether and titanium backup but would rather not muck up my new devices with aftermarket roms unless there is distinct benefit in doing so. I do see the advantages of root/modding the gear but what do I lose by not root/modding the Note as well?
Thanks in advance for any and all advice.
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Howzit man, congrats on the phone and Gear.
Well I am running stock note 3 and null_21 on the Gear.
I am leaving the note stock for now because dont really have the need or want to root at this stage....but
Rooting the gear definitely has major advantages over stock. Just makes the device so more useful and fun to use. I am enjoying it alot more after root. Read the root guides and watch some video of rooted gears and you will see how much better it becomes
Cheers
Thanks man. So I won't be missing out on any Gear functionality but not rooting the Note is what I'm assuming?
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There's a lot of functionality that you're going to be missing out on both devices by not rooting. You don't necessarily need a custom ROM on the Note 3 either to get significantly more enjoyment out of it. Keep in mind that there are some rooting methods out there for the Note 3 that trip the KNOX warranty counter and others that don't, so if you root make sure to pay attention to that. Once you're rooted install Xposed framework and grab some modules like Wanam, Tinted Status Bar, Disable Clear Defaults Dialog, and App Settings. Those are the 4 I use and they are glorious. As for the Gear I'm currently working on rooting/installing a custom ROM on it because I want Google Now, which apparently requires Bluetooth Tethering to be enabled from what I can tell.
If you're not comfortable with doing this just yet give it a few months, you'll likely get the itch to tweak with more stuff and the Xposed/root thing should scratch that for a while. I got my Note 3 at launch and literally installed my first custom ROM yesterday, so it's possible to hold off
I know I'm missing out on both by not rooting. After all of the stuff I've read on tripping Knox I'm wary about rooting the Note. I did notice however that I do already BT tethering as an option on the stock Sprint Note rom. I don't know if it will be limited like the wifi tether would be though. After all of the bugs and glitches and battery life issues I had with my old EvoLTEs I was just resigned to keeping the Note stock and especially now that they have officially confirmed 4.4 coming it's way. I'm planning in holding off on the Note until a root method for 4.4 comes around.
As far as the Gear goes... I am itching to root this thing badly and see what this little doodad from hell can do. I just need to sit down and read all of the tutorials as I have always done so that I don't become forum fodder for asking questions that were already answered.
Long story long... am I going to give up and Gear functionality by not rooting the Note assuming bluetooth tethering functions on the stock note rom or is the Gear root functionality independent of whatever phone I have it attached to?
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I wanted to get people's opinions/experiences with running rooted Lollipop without Xposed vs. 4.4.2 with Xposed. I've been using a GS3 on 4.4.2 with Xposed for a while know. I love the few modules I use (no lock home screen, wanam, amplify) and I'm not to keen to stop using them. However, with my GS5 coming this week, I'm trying to decide if I should stay on 4.4.2 or update (via muniz method) to rooted 5.0 (which Xposed won't work on).
Anyone here with any opinions on it either way? Is Lollipop such a huge step up on the GS5 that I'll enjoy the good stuff more than missing Xposed?
Thanks!
If you bought an AT&T S5, you will be frustrated and disappointed by how little you can do when compared to your S3. I have a great deal of buyers remorse about my AT&T GS5, the crypto'd boot loader is the bane of my existence. Having said that, the upgrade to Lollipop is very nice, and the root essential. I wish I had Xposed, but I can wait. I would have rather been able to load up CM12.1- just sayin'
Thanks for the insight. I actually took cm off my s3 as I preferred the stability of TW and don't really mind the skin that much, esp with wanamkit on it. I had about a year where I flashed **** like a madman, but got tired of instabilities and redoing my phone all the time, so the locked bootloader doesn't bother me as much.
Just for ****s and giggles, I put cm12 on my gs3 today and hated it. The colors, the new volume modes, the way notifications show up on the lock screen, and other stuff, I almost immediately switched back to tw 4.4.2. Knowing that I can downgrade from 5.0 using the Muniz method makes me think I'll try it out for a bit and see what happens.
Curious, do you leave GPS, wifi, bt, and all that jazz on all the time on you s5? How's the battery life? What would you say are the biggest improvements of 5 over 4.4?
Now that Lollipop is out what are people's thoughts about it compared to a mofo-rooted KitKat? Do the benefits of an updated OS outweigh those of root (albeit partial, but wifi-tehtering and xposed works)? What would you rather have?
Has anyone here made the switch?
From experience on other devices, lollipop is great. On the other hand, why bother sticking on xda if you were going to stay on unrooted stock (which is where 5.1 ota takers are going to stay). I'm not sure if people realize the increased difficulty finding these exploits especially on lollipop.
I guess that's the million-dollar question. Is there anything in Lollipop that would make someone switch from a mofo-rooted KK phone to Lollipop?
No, I can't stand the intrusive ads, and need Wi-Fi tethering with my unlimited plan
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If we were talking about an earlier version of Android then kk I would agree in principle, but Android is so mature at this point. I love being on the latest but most missing features between the versions can be added via third party apps or xposed. Very hard for me to give up root.
For me, there are two reasons I want Lollipop... so my fitbit will display text messages.. I guess it requires 5.0 or higher... and for ART.
But to lose xposed, to lose customizing the look (white on amoled.. so dumb), to lose editing my hosts file for adblocking, just so I can have my texts readable on my wrist and a slightly faster load times for apps.. no, just not worth it. I really hope someone finds a way to root LP, until then:
Mofo'd Kitkat all that way. Been rocking the same image I made since March 28 (I nicknamed it TurboTime )
I switch to Lollipop as Wifi didn't work quite well in KK. Drop, slow connection all the time. It's rock solid when I upgrade.
Still really missed the Xposed stuffs, but I still have my nexus to play with.
Also, isn't adblock slow the internet connection too? I realize it when I started COC, it's always freeze a few secs before loading.
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Also, isn't adblock slow the internet connection too? I realize it when I started COC, it's always freeze a few secs before loading.
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Non root adblocking can be slower as (some) reroute all your traffic through their servers where it strips ads before it gets to you, thus creating another step.
With root you can edit the hosts file.. which basically.. when a page, app or anything wants to go to www.AdsAllOver.com your phone believes that url is located at the ip address of 0.0.0.0 instead of the real address... thus the ad never loads. No slow down of speed just the denial of seeing crap.
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No, I can't stand the intrusive ads, and need Wi-Fi tethering with my unlimited plan
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I hear ya. It's all about xposed and wifi-tethering with my Verizon UDP as well. Hopefully a root method for Lollipop will be coming soon.
root > all else
As of my post, votes are leading going towards 5.1... however those voters arent speaking up.. Im curious why they feel being on 5.1 made things better.
Ive seen it made a 'less than optimal' wifi, a better function.. better battery life...(still havent seen an issue with KK battery [ 12 hours on batt 2 hours on screen time, still 57%]) ... and outside of that, Im still unsure why the people that voted 5.1 vs root did vote that way.
I really hope someone has a good argument toward upgrading but at this point, I feel those 5.1 Turbos offer less than a 4.4.4. rooted Turbo.
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As of my post, votes are leading going towards 5.1... however those voters arent speaking up.. Im curious why they feel being on 5.1 made things better.
Ive seen it made a 'less than optimal' wifi, a better function.. better battery life...(still havent seen an issue with KK battery [ 12 hours on batt 2 hours on screen time, still 57%]) ... and outside of that, Im still unsure why the people that voted 5.1 vs root did vote that way.
I really hope someone has a good argument toward upgrading but at this point, I feel those 5.1 Turbos offer less than a 4.4.4. rooted Turbo.
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Maybe people are voting for 5.1 because they feel the need to justify taking the OTA without thinking and losing root (sarcasm).
So far I haven't heard of any real advantages for upgrading yet (increased battery life, better camera, stronger signal strength, etc.). Maybe some folks who have upgraded can chime in?
I would really like to have Lollipop on my Turbo, but moving on without wifi tether, amplify, titanium backup, and gravity box is just not an option for me. What upsets me the most is that these functions need root to begin with. We really need all of these options in stock, especially app+data backup. It's a shame we have to resort to modding our devices just to get them to work the way we want them to.
Being one of the ones giving up mofo for 5.1. For me it came down to the only benefit root for me was ad blocking and Titanium to backup / freezer apps that I couldn't disable. The advantages of 5.1 are (hopefully) improved battery, advance calling actually working for better quality and simultaneous voice / data, location-based smart unlock, better integrated notification toggles, smoother overall phone and of course the itch to be on the latest version
So while I hope they figure out a way to upgrade the kernel and system files with mofo, for me the hurdles / odds didn't seem worth it given the above tradeoffs.
So that's my $.02 from a jumper.
Coming from 4 prior phone before the Turbo with WP Off, and able to do whatever I want, running Lollipop on my Galaxy S3 before I got my Turbo. I literally had the SAME setup via apps, configuration, interface, (Besides having ART on LP, and Dalvik on kk) between my Galaxy S3 w/ Lollipop and my Turbo 4.4 w/ 'root' where I did my own images and added in what I want.
When I got rid of my S3 to get my Turbo, I really didn't notice a difference. I really did like Lollipop because I had no issues with my apps like Xposed, Viper4Android. Then again going back to kk, no problem. Only thing that sucks is this god damn phone is plagued with the WiFi issue and there was never a hotfix that was released nor is there any build.prop fix or any config file we can edit to fix the issue.
Also depends what you do, I edited my own images, put in my own ad-block hosts file so I don't deal with that **** anymore. I have xposed, I edited my GPS .conf, I have a entropy fix running which makes it slightly snappier.
If you're like me and want these options still, stick with KK, but if you don't care for your own hosts file, new gps conf, more entropy, and Viper4Android, go ahead and update. Hopefully whoever takes the 5.1 OTA can get a mofo root if there is a exploit.
I'm definitely sticking with rooted Kk. I personally prefer the UI on Kk compared to lollipop, but it's the root that keeps me permanently on it. I have LP on my shield tablet, and am not a huge fan.
Are 32 votes enough of a sample to conclude that the slight majority of XDA'ers who own Droid Turbos would rather take the OTA and likely give up all hope of attaining root on Lollipop 5.1 (despite multiple warnings to not take the OTA and wait for a rooted IMG file that can be flashed with mofo)? Since only one "jumper" actually stated why he made the switch, is being on the latest and greatest OS really so much better, customization/control be damned (note that I did not say functionality)?
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Are 32 votes enough of a sample to conclude that the slight majority of XDA'ers who own Droid Turbos would rather take the OTA and likely give up all hope of attaining root on Lollipop 5.1 (despite multiple warnings to not take the OTA and wait for a rooted IMG file that can be flashed with mofo)? Since only one "jumper" actually stated why he made the switch, is being on the latest and greatest OS really so much better, customization/control be damned (note that I did not say functionality)?
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I've got a couple theories...
1. (Is yours from before) people need to justify taking the OTA, so will vote 5.1 just so they feel vindicated in their upgrade.
2. The 5.1 voters are just casual users that, maybe in the past have had customizable phones, thus know of xda, and saw this poll, voted for what they have and left.
3. Voters that have never truly customized their phone and are happy with whatever google decides the UI should look like.
4. Voters that think a higher number is always a better number.
5. Voters that found this forum from droid-life or other news outlets, that saw the poll, voted and left (extension of 2)
6. A group of crazies that find any poll on xda and decide to vote for the least logical solution.
I'm going with 1.. the biggest thing Im hearing about 5.1 is the battery life.. however Im also hearing most are factory resetting, which makes me wonder if they had factory resetted while on KK, if they would've see the same increase of battery life? (not installing apps you forgot you installed 4 months ago, don't use anymore, and it was those apps that were draining their KK battery)
I kinda / sorta feel bad for those that want to be on the cutting edge of tech and upgraded in excitement only to realize how screwed they just made themselves... (I mean we all found xda because at one point we all wanted to root / customize some phone right? And in upgrading, 5.1 users now have no way to root and customize)
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I've got a couple theories...
1. (Is yours from before) people need to justify taking the OTA, so will vote 5.1 just so they feel vindicated in their upgrade.
2. The 5.1 voters are just casual users that, maybe in the past have had customizable phones, thus know of xda, and saw this poll, voted for what they have and left.
3. Voters that have never truly customized their phone and are happy with whatever google decides the UI should look like.
4. Voters that think a higher number is always a better number.
5. Voters that found this forum from droid-life or other news outlets, that saw the poll, voted and left (extension of 2)
6. A group of crazies that find any poll on xda and decide to vote for the least logical solution.
I'm going with 1.. the biggest thing Im hearing about 5.1 is the battery life.. however Im also hearing most are factory resetting, which makes me wonder if they had factory resetted while on KK, if they would've see the same increase of battery life? (not installing apps you forgot you installed 4 months ago, don't use anymore, and it was those apps that were draining their KK battery)
I kinda / sorta feel bad for those that want to be on the cutting edge of tech and upgraded in excitement only to realize how screwed they just made themselves... (I mean we all found xda because at one point we all wanted to root / customize some phone right? And in upgrading, 5.1 users now have no way to root and customize)
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7) Users who actually have a real need for Lollipop, whether it be application development or for a bug fix (even though I haven't heard of any major bugs in KK fixed in 5.1 but there might be some).
Highly doubt this would apply to the majority of people who voted for Lollipop
I will patiently be waiting for L to be rooted just as I did for KK. When MOFO came out and I was finally able to block ads and use gravitybox, any thoughts of lollipop just disappeared.
Hi. I purchased Z3C with preinstalled 6.0.1. I read some articles where are people talking about problems with battery and heating. For now i dont have these problems, but is good idea make downgrade to last 5.1.1 build?
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Hi. I purchased Z3C with preinstalled 6.0.1. I read some articles where are people talking about problems with battery and heating. For now i dont have these problems, but is good idea make downgrade to last 5.1.1 build?
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The Marshmallow build has improved since its first realease. There were lots of 'it's broken' stories perpetuated by early adopters who were unsatisfied that it wasn't a perfect release.
Personally I have never had any overheating problems with Marshmallow, with the battery life being much better than Lollipop.
It's definately a much better OS than 5.1.1
There should be another update soon for which will smooth out any remaining problems.
I would stick with it.
IMO it depends on how good your carrier is at getting updates out to your phone. I have not received an updated version of MM (Thanks Bell Canada) and my z3c is struggling mightily with the battery life specifically. Between that and the locked bootloader, I have grown to hate this phone, and am sick of its face.
But I am only one man.
I have the firmware to downgrade to 5.0.2 was wondering if it's possible or not. Didn't know if the bootloader would block it or not. Can someone help me and let me know if there is anyway to downgrade from 7.0 to 5.0.2
looking to drop from 6.01 to 5.02 or kitkat also
I had just got mine last week after my xperia play died (RIP) I did the research decided I did not care about rooting but wanted a rugged phone that could handle my level of abuse and had a solid battery and a good processor that didn't overheat. I don't regret my buy, its an awesome phone. here is where the big but comes in. I love emulation so I was stoked that it plays everything that I threw at it. psp psx, n64, DS even dreamcast plays very well, I saw an ota update and since I knew there was no rooting I took the plunge to 6.0.1 2 days after the ota I discovered that the dolphin emulator I use for my pc has a working one for android. not half assed, but almost fully functional. I install it and spend hours trying to figure out why it doesn't work -
little did I know I sealed my fate here. I come to find that the update screws up the graphics drivers( only for the dolphin) as far as I know? so almost all of the games are garbled junk in 6.0.1 and there is no repair in sight and since the lack of interest for this model is almost nill no one is going to bother fixing these issues most likely. I do however have 3 or 4 that play perfectly- almost, Gauntlet dark legacy, thug 2, and alien hominid. robotech works ok-ish so I too am interested in a downgrade. I found an article talking about the reversal of nougat to mm and it has the walkthrough and all of the files. I see no real reason that I couldn't simply use that walkthrough downgrade and replace the nougat to mm to my dilemma of mm to lollipop. is this a workable assumption or does all of the security and bl interfere with this idea? if I am right couldn't I revert back to KitKat where I read somewhere that you could actually root it then?
So will anyone respond to this? or is this a dead area? Id like to know please also if I am right some working links to the all of the firmwares.
Trial and Error. Worth a shot