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Nexus 5 vs HTC One (with focus on music playback battery life)

I've had the One for a few months, and just got the N5.
There is no question the One has better screen, speakers, and front-facing camera, but I find the back camera on N5 better (contrary to numerous reviews), at least in part due to the One's purple tinting issue. Both devices are nearly identical in width with case on. So +1 to N5 for managing a larger screen.
Also, the N5 rarely heats up, even while in a case. I ran browsermark on both, and the N5 not only scored ~300 points higher, but was barely warm to the touch when the One, with its bareback bumper case on, was nice and toasty. This may be of high importance in terms of battery life as heat = wasted energy.
The next thing to test was the supposed improvements in music playback battery life via audio tunneling. I listen to a lot of music, so this was one of the biggest selling points for me.
Here's the set up:
1. Upload an album in FLAC to Google Music
2. Download on each phone (high quality, probably 320k?)
3. Turn off all radio and kill all non-essential background processes
4. Adjust the volume to be roughly the same (One is a little louder) using the same headphones
5. Plug in the same 3.5mm cable on each (I had two of those, but not two of the same headphones)
6. Let them play
Here are the results:
Time elapsed: 6.5hrs
Battery diff on N5: 14%; expected total play time: 46hrs
Battery diff on One: 16%; expected total play time: 40hrs
Well, to put it lightly, I was disappointed. 6 hours of total play time differential simple wouldn't be enough to sacrifice all those things I had stated above. That's when I suspected possible battery calibration issue(s).
I fully powered down the phones and back on, and the One's battery dropped by 2% while the N5 stayed the same. Huh?
I did that a few more times until the One's number "settled," i.e. stopped dropping so dramatically.
Battery diff at this point was 16% on N5 and a whopping 24% on the One. Now that's more like it.
So I decided to repeat the test, now that things seem settled. Here are the results of phase 2:
Time elapsed: 4.5hrs
Battery diff on N5: 8%; expected total play time: 56hrs
Battery diff on One: 12%; expected total play time: 37.5hrs
Not exactly twice the run time, but 50% more from the same capacity battery is nothing to scoff at. Notice the battery between the two tests are remarkably consistent: 16% vs 24% and 8% vs 12%.
I'm gonna be carrying the N5 around to see how the signal is, but given how much time I spend listening to music on my phone, I might be set for now.

g2tl said:
I've had the One for a few months, and just got the N5.
There is no question the One has better screen, speakers, and front-facing camera, but I find the back camera on N5 better (contrary to numerous reviews), at least in part due to the One's purple tinting issue. Both devices are nearly identical in width with case on. So +1 to N5 for managing a larger screen.
Also, the N5 rarely heats up, even while in a case. I ran browsermark on both, and the N5 not only scored ~300 points higher, but was barely warm to the touch when the One, with its bareback bumper case on, was nice and toasty. This may be of high importance in terms of battery life as heat = wasted energy.
The next thing to test was the supposed improvements in music playback battery life via audio tunneling. I listen to a lot of music, so this was one of the biggest selling points for me.
Here's the set up:
1. Upload an album in FLAC to Google Music
2. Download on each phone (high quality, probably 320k?)
3. Turn off all radio and kill all non-essential background processes
4. Adjust the volume to be roughly the same (One is a little louder) using the same headphones
5. Plug in the same 3.5mm cable on each (I had two of those, but not two of the same headphones)
6. Let them play
Here are the results:
Time elapsed: 6.5hrs
Battery diff on N5: 14%; expected total play time: 46hrs
Battery diff on One: 16%; expected total play time: 40hrs
Well, to put it lightly, I was disappointed. 6 hours of total play time differential simple wouldn't be enough to sacrifice all those things I had stated above. That's when I suspected possible battery calibration issue(s).
I fully powered down the phones and back on, and the One's battery dropped by 2% while the N5 stayed the same. Huh?
I did that a few more times until the One's number "settled," i.e. stopped dropping so dramatically.
Battery diff at this point was 16% on N5 and a whopping 24% on the One. Now that's more like it.
So I decided to repeat the test, now that things seem settled. Here are the results of phase 2:
Time elapsed: 4.5hrs
Battery diff on N5: 8%; expected total play time: 56hrs
Battery diff on One: 12%; expected total play time: 37.5hrs
Not exactly twice the run time, but 50% more from the same capacity battery is nothing to scoff at. Notice the battery between the two tests are remarkably consistent: 16% vs 24% and 8% vs 12%.
I'm gonna be carrying the N5 around to see how the signal is, but given how much time I spend listening to music on my phone, I might be set for now.
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How can you assume 56 hours of total playback without running it that long. Battery discharge isn't linear. If you go from 100% to 92%(8%) and that gets you 4.5 hours then 8% of a lower battery won't get you nearly as long. That means that going from like 30% to 22%(also 8%) won't get you the same 4.5 hours. You might get, just for example, 3.5 hours on 8%. Batteries discharge faster the more discharged they are. Look at the battery graph sometime and you will see that it gets steeper the closer the battery gets to being dead.

jimv1983 said:
How can you assume 56 hours of total playback without running it that long. Battery discharge isn't linear. If you go from 100% to 92%(8%) and that gets you 4.5 hours then 8% of a lower battery won't get you nearly as long. That means that going from like 30% to 22%(also 8%) won't get you the same 4.5 hours. You might get, just for example, 3.5 hours on 8%. Batteries discharge faster the more discharged they are. Look at the battery graph sometime and you will see that it gets steeper the closer the battery gets to being dead.
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I understand the discharge isn't linear, but the point of this test was not to get the playback time of one device, but rather to compare how the two devices perform. So I didn't see the need to meticulously take all of that into account rather than doing simple math.
On two separate occasions the N5 did 1.5x better, so I think this is a pretty good indication that I can play music longer on the N5 than I could on the One.

g2tl said:
I understand the discharge isn't linear, but the point of this test was not to get the playback time of one device, but rather to compare how the two devices perform. So I didn't see the need to meticulously take all of that into account rather than doing simple math.
On two separate occasions the N5 did 1.5x better, so I think this is a pretty good indication that I can play music longer on the N5 than I could on the One.
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It totally matters. You say that the Nexus 5 did 1.5x better but you calculated that based on a 4.5 and 6.5 hours. Because batteries discharge at a non-linear rate that claim of 1.5x longer is VERY inaccurate. It isn't an accurate and fair comparison.

jimv1983 said:
It totally matters. You say that the Nexus 5 did 1.5x better but you calculated that based on a 4.5 and 6.5 hours. Because batteries discharge at a non-linear rate that claim of 1.5x longer is VERY inaccurate. It isn't an accurate and fair comparison.
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You have a point, but in reality can you ACTUALLY test music playback without using your phone AT ALL for 20-30+ hours to drain the phone from 100% to 0% ? For someone like me who only has one phone, I can't even perform this test as I need to kill all my radios and I need incoming phone calls/messages/e-mail/regular stuff
And you have to give OP credit for trying to reduce the variables.

I'm thinking of buying the One and returning my N5. Lots of reasons..
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cyburke said:
I'm thinking of buying the One and returning my N5. Lots of reasons..
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Lots of reasons? Like???
Both phones are basically the same size but the Nexus 5 has a bigger screen.
Both have a 2,300mAh battery but from the reports I've seen so far the Nexus 5 gets slightly better battery life than the One.
The Nexus 5 has a better camera. I've read lots of posts of people saying that the One camera suffers from a purplish tint on all the pictures it takes.
The Nexus 5 is infected with that Sense crap.
The only possible benefit i can see of the One is the better sounding speakers but unless you are one of those rude people that blasts everything out of their phone speakers and annoying everyone around you I don't see that to be much of a deal. No one wants to listen to your conversations, music, movies, etc. Get a pair of headphones.

jimv1983 said:
Lots of reasons? Like???
Both phones are basically the same size but the Nexus 5 has a bigger screen.
Both have a 2,300mAh battery but from the reports I've seen so far the Nexus 5 gets slightly better battery life than the One.
The Nexus 5 has a better camera. I've read lots of posts of people saying that the One camera suffers from a purplish tint on all the pictures it takes.
The Nexus 5 is infected with that Sense crap.
The only possible benefit i can see of the One is the better sounding speakers but unless you are one of those rude people that blasts everything out of their phone speakers and annoying everyone around you I don't see that to be much of a deal. No one wants to listen to your conversations, music, movies, etc. Get a pair of headphones.
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I have a one. Pictures in low light have issues, daylight pics came out very good. Focus and shutter speed on the one is instant. It's very slow on the N5, I hope they fix that.
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Just got a nexus 5 after a few hours of use... I'm leaning towards returning it and going back to my One. Miss the build quality and speakers. And isn't the one getting kit Kat in two months. I was able to get best buy to price match Google they weren't suppose to. For the price its an excellent phone thought.
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I think both phones are awesome. I actually sold my HTC One a month before the Nexus 5 came out. I think it just depends on user preference when it comes down to which phone is better. I think the heat issue on the HTC One was more prevalent because of the metal casing of the phone, and the Nexus 5 would have the same problem if it also had a metal body.
At the end of the day I love my Nexus 5, and I'm sure there will be future updates to fix the issues people are currently having.

Atticustrd said:
Just got a nexus 5 after a few hours of use... I'm leaning towards returning it and going back to my One. Miss the build quality and speakers. And isn't the one getting kit Kat in two months. I was able to get best buy to price match Google they weren't suppose to. For the price its an excellent phone thought.
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As long as your have the Google Play edition of the One I guess it wouldn't be a bad idea.

jimv1983 said:
It totally matters. You say that the Nexus 5 did 1.5x better but you calculated that based on a 4.5 and 6.5 hours. Because batteries discharge at a non-linear rate that claim of 1.5x longer is VERY inaccurate. It isn't an accurate and fair comparison.
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Inaccurate? Sure, but like (think) I made clear, I'm not about to do a full on research.
I also realized that I didn't mention this: I did not charge the battery between the two tests, which means I tested both mid-upper and low-mid echelons of battery level. And again, the difference is 1.5x for each case.
Non-linearity would have mattered more if one discharged faster at lower level than another, but the consistency of my results seem to say otherwise, i.e. N5 does better than the One when just looking at music playback.

Atticustrd said:
Just got a nexus 5 after a few hours of use... I'm leaning towards returning it and going back to my One. Miss the build quality and speakers. And isn't the one getting kit Kat in two months. I was able to get best buy to price match Google they weren't suppose to. For the price its an excellent phone thought.
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I'm probably gonna do another test when Kitkat is realeased for the Google Play edition. Not sure if the DSP in s600 supports audio tunneling though (or rather, if Google will support).

I have a red htc one and it dosent get hot but my silver onr did? I think it comes.down to user preference. I personally listen to alot of music at work and home. The speakerd are the best ever. The headphones are the best ive ever recieved with a phone. So good i dont use my jaybird freedoms anymore. Ive had 2 lines eligible for ugrade for a while now. Passed on note 3, passed on moto x, hate iphones, passed on nexus and will pass on LG2 when sprint gets it. My fiance has the S4 and loves it. Dont want anything else. I love my htc one. Dont want anything else. Dosent mean any are bad phones (all though i dont think ive seen a phone launched with as many issues the nexus 5) just everyone has certain things they like and dont. I.dont think the nexus is a bad purchase if you get it for $400 or less but i do think it would be stupid to waste an upgrade on one
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battery life in terms of music playback? .. It's a phone not an ipod.
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What about the inbuilt dac and sound quality + loudness?
Which one 'sounds' better?
Ive read the Nexus 5 is quite soft in comparison
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It should be common sense that the n5 should get better battery life than the One. Given the same battery capacity but the n5 has a more efficient CPU for power sipping and kit Kat is also optimized for battery and to use less resources. The n5 should win every time.
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Kit Kat has a new thing where 60 hours of play back is possible. It might be a software thing.

g2tl said:
Also, the N5 rarely heats up, even while in a case. I ran browsermark on both, and the N5 not only scored ~300 points higher, but was barely warm to the touch when the One, with its bareback bumper case on, was nice and toasty. This may be of high importance in terms of battery life as heat = wasted energy.
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The cpu temp is what's important -- the metal casing of the HTC One is a better conductor of heat, which means that it will actually help cool the cpu more than a plastic casing would.
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MohJee said:
battery life in terms of music playback? .. It's a phone not an ipod.
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No it isn't - it's a multi function device with cellular capabilities!
As such, devices like the N5 have replaced a whole raft of devices for me, including music, video, exercise tracking, GPS, email, web, eReader, games etc.
Yes, I use it as a phone, but I use the other functions far more frequently. That being said, I won't compare battery life with a Nokia dumb phone from 10 Years ago because I do so much more than call and text with it.
Regards,
Dave

Ok- So I am not getting the advantage of the MOTO X

Hello,
I have the HTC One M8 and a MOTO X. I know the X provides the Nexus like experience, but the One seems to be faster and better constructed and generally faster. From what I can tell the screens are about equal thought the X is warmer. They both have 32 GB storage but the One has Micro SD. I did not have the original X but I am not blown away by the user expereince of the X, what am I not understanding about how great this phone is supposed to be?
Thoughts?
Thanks,

aaronc_98 said:
Hello,
I have the HTC One M8 and a MOTO X. I know the X provides the Nexus like experience, but the One seems to be faster and better constructed and generally faster. From what I can tell the screens are about equal thought the X is warmer. They both have 32 GB storage but the One has Micro SD. I did not have the original X but I am not blown away by the user expereince of the X, what am I not understanding about how great this phone is supposed to be?
Thoughts?
Thanks,
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I can't say about the new one yet. But I know by the old one. I left my nexus 5 for dead once I started using this phone made me go from a nexus 5 32gb to a 16gb motox I still won't switch back and I have one gig of storage left.
I haven't felt the new one yet. But this phone just feels right in your hand. But I've heard the m8 is sort of like that too.
Might sound stupid but the touch less control is something that becomes the way it should be. Would be weird to not have it but I see Google doing this eventually in all phones.
The one thing that I would really go crazy with is ..this phone wakes up when you pull it out a your pocket. I haven't touched the power button to wake in 8 months. I grab my wife's Iphone expecting to wake.
Really I think how apple amazes millions with some great features, design with low specs and great feel and usability of hardware and software is what the moto x has that maybe other androids do not. You just have to use it for a while and you will see. I hope th new one isn't to large for the feel factor or that will be negated and the software will not be worth it. It is the whole package combined that makes this phone great. Only the voice recognition is the best of any phone otherwise it does nothing the best but everything combined it is the best overall.....oh yeah in my op lol

the X is about just "refining" Android.
I also had a Nexus 5 and once I played with an X I bought one and put my Nexus 5 up for sale. I just got a new 2014 and software wise find it more refined. The only issue I have is that the 2013 was already so good and smooth the 2014 does not really add much, if anything, to it.
The X is for those that want Nexus experience, flagship specs, and great hands free controls. I get by with an 8GB device, if i could but 16 is as small as you can get. I feel that ANYONE that uses an SD card is just poor with data management. Odds are most of your music you load up you don't actually listen to regularly. if you are keeping FULL TV seasons on your phone to watch unless you are traveling thats pointless, you can just load a few eps to get through that day. Same with multiple movies with high bitrates.
I have all the apps I need, and I still have 10GB left. I have 3GB Data, that I pay $64/mo for and I NEVER go over it and I stream Google Music and Pandora in my car when driving to clients all the time. I also get company email and Gmail. I update apps over Mobile Data, and download Podcasts. My photos auto upload to g+. I tether my laptop on occasion. I can not see how anyone can go over 3GB unless you are also torrenting or doing a LOT of social media videos and photos. The closest I have come is 2.7GB in the last 18 months.
People say they need storage because they don't have Unlimited Data. You don't need unlimited data. You just need to not be stupid with your data. I know people that pay more than I do (by like $25-30) and don't get the same amount of data I do just because they refuse to show around carriers.
/rant

I agree with that too about storage. I've felt the M8 and it does feel very nice in my hands but I hate HTC Sense. It ruins the Android experience for me.

aaronc_98 said:
Hello,
I have the HTC One M8 and a MOTO X. I know the X provides the Nexus like experience, but the One seems to be faster and better constructed and generally faster. From what I can tell the screens are about equal thought the X is warmer. They both have 32 GB storage but the One has Micro SD. I did not have the original X but I am not blown away by the user expereince of the X, what am I not understanding about how great this phone is supposed to be?
Thoughts?
Thanks,
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how is the One M8 faster than the Moto X? both use the same chipset. i feel the Moto X is just as fast or faster than most of the skinned Android phones. for the screens, both are using different technologies. each will have their pitfalls
Moto X is mainly for those who want some added (useful) functionality on top of stock Android. if you like Sense, then stick with the One. if you want stock with some added things, Moto X. if you want just stock, then Nexus is the way to go. choices are good :good:

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how is the One M8 faster than the Moto X? both use the same chipset. i feel the Moto X is just as fast or faster than most of the skinned Android phones. for the screens, both are using different technologies. each will have their pitfalls
Moto X is mainly for those who want some added (useful) functionality on top of stock Android. if you like Sense, then stick with the One. if you want stock with some added things, Moto X. if you want just stock, then Nexus is the way to go. choices are good :good:
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I do like Sense- it has gotten so much better. I also love Nexus because of the all the development, so maybe I will give it a few more days to make a decision. I have the bootloader unlocked and root, so I know some good thing will be coming from the talented devs.

As someone who has owned both my opinions differ.
I find the Moto X 2014 much much faster and smoother than the M8. Even with the M8 running AOSP. ActiveDisplay is just awesome, its a little thing but it really is useful. The Moto X 2014 is easier to hold/use, and doesn't have a ridiculous power button located in a ridiculous spot. (My biggest dislike of the M8). While the M8 structure is beautiful and feels great, I didn't find it comfortable to hold/use. Sense 6 is beautiful but I didn't find it offered any actual value or features that I cared about or ever actually used.
Not that it takes much but the Moto X camera, while still lagging behind, is still far better than that crap 4up camera that HTC loves so much.
The Moto X does not really shine in any one way, it doesn't leap out in the crowd, its just a great phone to use.

Motorola seems to be the only Android manufacturer who actually cares about user experience. I downgraded from a Nexus 5 to the 2013 Moto X last year because it offered a much better experience. I upgraded to the 2014 Moto X this year and am not waiting for the Nexus. If you've never owned a Moto before you won't realize everything you are missing.
Moto X offers the following improvements for me:
-Active Display - HUGE plus if you've never used it
-Touchless Controls - I use this constantly in the car and at home when I'm working
-Moto Assist - great for when I am in meetings all day to silence my phone and auto reply
-Shake to activate camera - very underrated feature but if you're trying to take photos in a snap it's extremely handy
-Wave to wake phone to check notifications and silence calls - again underrated but works beautifully
-Bluetooth unlock when my 360 is connected so I don't have to type in my PIN
-Moto Migrate to keep all of my existing data seamlessly
-As close to stock as possible with these helpful additions
Also other considerations:
-Exceptional build quality - although M8 also has extremely good build quality
-Motorola is one of the only companies that actually pays attention to cell signal and reception and is superior, my Moto X 2013 hands down had better signal than my N5, 2014 is great for signal too, HTC Notoriously bad for signal
-Audio noise cancellation - the sound quality when recording and on a call is much better than other phones I have used. Moto X 2013 was FAR superior to N5 in this regard, I don't have a M8 to compare but consider it
-FAST upgrade time, we will be one of the first to get Android L - This is huge for me

I suppose a good answer will be when android L comes out, X should have it quick (of course lenovo taking over and Soni gone could change that) whereas HTC will probably be 6+ months behind because they have to retro fit the junkwear onto the new OS.

Who the hell wants skinned android L????! Not me!

Previous phone: Nexus 5
Current phone: Pure version Moto X on T-Mobile network
Comparison:
Con: touch sensitivity does not seem as good. Using swipe gestures in Nova Launcher I never had to repeat a swipe on the Nexus 5, but I occasionally do on the Moto X. I noticed there seems to be more of a lag when scrolling the screen on the Moto X. I set the phone to use ART instead of Dalvic and it seemed to help some, but the touch response still has a perceptible delay.
Pro: Voice command works well, even in noisy environments
Reception is improved
Speaker phone loudness and clarity is multiple times better. It is good and plenty loud.
IR sensors and software work great.
Screen is a little bigger, which I like.
Voice command to toggle silent mode is handy.
Battery life seems the same, or maybe slightly better.
UPDATE: I switched from Nova launcher to the Google Now Launcher, and the touch lag I mentioned in the Cons section above is no longer noticeable.
Con: I think the handoff from WiFi to cellular is not a smooth transition. The phone tries to hang on a weak WiFi signal to long before it switches to cellular, and I do have 'avoid poor connections' selected in the WiFi advanced options.
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Thanks for all the comments. I had not given the X a real chance so I did, and I do love the active display and voice commands- very unique, good expereince, but HOW could Moto put a 2,300mah battery in this? The battery was flat by 2:30 under moderate use. I guess we need a UV kernel and some good battery tweaks ASAP.
I do really like the screen too, the blacks are so black, and the colors pop, almost too much... And it does just feel good in your hand.
I will give it a few more days to see how battery life occurs...
thanks,

I just picked up the new x an I also have the m8. I'm really liking the x so far never had anything besides HTC I still have my m8 tho.
Edit I been on mine all day now it has not got hot at all. Running real smooth

To comment on the battery life. Yes it's not AMAZING, probably my only complaint with the device, but it works as advertised. With fairly heavy use my first full day of charge, everything turned on, here was my usage pattern:
-Bluetooth, Wifi, and Location On
-Approx 11 hours connected to Wifi and about 8 hours using 4G
-Google Now On
-Brightness Auto
-Streaming music for approx. 1.5 hours
-GPS in use for approx. 20 min
-Screen on time just over 3 hours
-Total time until battery died almost 19 hours
That for me is much better than my original X. I have to charge the phone once a day anyway. That type of usage pattern is moderate to heavy and lasted from when I woke up to when I went to bed.

prosive said:
To comment on the battery life. Yes it's not AMAZING, probably my only complaint with the device, but it works as advertised. With fairly heavy use my first full day of charge, everything turned on, here was my usage pattern:
-Bluetooth, Wifi, and Location On
-Approx 11 hours connected to Wifi and about 8 hours using 4G
-Google Now On
-Brightness Auto
-Streaming music for approx. 1.5 hours
-GPS in use for approx. 20 min
-Screen on time just over 3 hours
-Total time until battery died almost 19 hours
That for me is much better than my original X. I have to charge the phone once a day anyway. That type of usage pattern is moderate to heavy and lasted from when I woke up to when I went to bed.
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This is promising to me. I have been only htc flagship phones since day 1. On my m8 I can got 26 hours heavy use from full to dead. An I was worried bout battery on this phone but everything else I read made me jump ship an try the new moto. I'm really liking the phone since I picked one up yesterday...

Need feedback...

I'm currently looking into the Droid Turbo as I need options on a new phone. My Note 4 has been replaced twice, on my third phone with horrible screen issues. Had the iP6+, really bad screens and iOS sucks. Came from a year with the Moto X and it served me well, but bad battery life and bad burn-in forced me to get a new phone.
Needless to say, I'm limited on phone choices currently. I originally looked at the Turbo when it came out but the lack of brightness and no voice/data turned me off. But since it got the AC 1.0 update, that's a step in the right direction. I've also been told that the brightness issue has been resolved as well, but no one can seem to confirm it.
So, those of you that have had the Turbo, would you buy it again? How's the real battery life? Voice/data working great? How about screen issues, as far as discoloration or uniformity?
Thanks!

32 hours on, 4 hours of screen on time.. Still have 26% remaining. No regrets.

Anyone else?

I am really loving this phone. I had a couple small complaints, but they were patched with the last update. Battery life is awesome. Simultaneous voice and data working now. The screen is gorgeous. I would definitely buy again .If you need any more convincing watch this. His reviews are always spot on.

Battery life is phenomonal

I can't use voice and data and I took the update, tried it just last night.

Coming from a Galaxy S3... both me and my wife. Both of us are very happy. Screen is plenty bright. Not seeing any obvious screen uniformity issues... I haven't been "looking" for them, but I tend to notice things like that quickly, so it's good enough, at least. Battery life is far better than the S3, as expected... I guess I'm not a heavy user in that sense. Certainly would recommend this device (or the MotoX).

mdcowby said:
I can't use voice and data and I took the update, tried it just last night.
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Have you enabled HD Calling? It won't work until you have done that.

Non HD call quality with Advanced Calling enabled is a little quirky. The last update addressed all the issues mentioned in early reviews AFAICT. I get 33 hours battery life on average and 4 1/2 hours screen on.
Definitely would buy again.
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My wife and I also came from the S3 and we love this phone, no regrets at all.

I am very happy with mine. I see no issues related to screen brightness. VOLTE and data work just fine. I did have a speaker issue with my first device, which was among the first batch produced. I had it replaced with one from a newer batch and have had no issues thus far. If you are particular about your devices, I think there are few options that are "perfect" in their quality control. The devices are too complicated, with too may features, to expect that they will all leave the factory perfect.

[Q] After this long, how is the AHD?

I had more than one AHD. I had a black one, and a white one. Both ended up with a Maxx battery and I loved the phone using that. Little heavy, little bulky but the 2 day heavy battery was worth it. I currently have a moto x 2014 and the battery is.... Not bad? Okay? A little disappointing? I get 3 hours 30 mins or so max screen use and have to charge around 5-7pm most of the time. Some days I can make it to bed and beyond(punpunpunpun) but rarely. It's odd to consider a "downgrade" but this is why I ask. Say, using CM12.1 or so, how is the phone? What bugs are there with CM12.1 now, how's the battery, performance, etc?

The phone is crappy. Dont even think of coming back, it would we better to grab a long lasting phone (z3c, lg g2, moto droid turbo, etc)
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I just went back to an Atrix HD from a first gen MotoX due to a broken screen. Somewhat ironically, the only reason I originally switched from the Atrix was a broken screen (now using the wife’s old Atrix).
I’m using CM12.1 and it is ok, maybe a little better than I expected. I do notice some lag compared to the MotoX, but it feels pretty useable. Battery life using a newer, aftermarket EB20 battery has been ok, but I don’t expect to be able to get a full day of heavy use based on the experience so far this week. Using the new adaptive brightness has a positive impact, pushing screen battery impact to second place (and I find it much less annoying in terms of rapid swings than the old auto brightness).
The lag is most noticeable when I first activate the screen and in Chrome. I might try out a few other roms to see if there is any big difference.
Overall, I’m happy enough to keep using the Atrix for now, but likely not long term. I’m interested in the Oneplus 2, but not sure how long I’ll want to wait.

neondunker said:
The phone is crappy. Dont even think of coming back, it would we better to grab a long lasting phone (z3c, lg g2, moto droid turbo, etc)
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ginhead said:
I just went back to an Atrix HD from a first gen MotoX due to a broken screen. Somewhat ironically, the only reason I originally switched from the Atrix was a broken screen (now using the wife’s old Atrix).
I’m using CM12.1 and it is ok, maybe a little better than I expected. I do notice some lag compared to the MotoX, but it feels pretty useable. Battery life using a newer, aftermarket EB20 battery has been ok, but I don’t expect to be able to get a full day of heavy use based on the experience so far this week. Using the new adaptive brightness has a positive impact, pushing screen battery impact to second place (and I find it much less annoying in terms of rapid swings than the old auto brightness).
The lag is most noticeable when I first activate the screen and in Chrome. I might try out a few other roms to see if there is any big difference.
Overall, I’m happy enough to keep using the Atrix for now, but likely not long term. I’m interested in the Oneplus 2, but not sure how long I’ll want to wait.
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I see, interesting mix here. I'm running 5.1 now, I pulled my root out to run it. Pretty brave but I'm confident root will come back. So far, my battery has improved a little. However, my youtube app is practically useless, so that probably has something to do with it. I'm a youtube whore a lot of the time. Usually 2 hours a day of youtube on my phone and 1 hour other uses then charge lol.

[Q] Contemplating purchase this phone

To date, this post is for anyone that has had this phone from november december area. I have always struggled with battery dwindling on my phones. The LG G2 lasts 1.5 hours of screen time now on AOSP when it used to push almost 5hrs, and my girlfriends older droid razr m went from 3 hrs of screen time to a struggling 1 hour. I would wait for the next nexus but i hear its coming from hauei whoever they are. Im not comfortable going with that company yet. I have been looking at the Sony z3 (or waiting for the new Us versions z4 with the 2k screen) but i am abe to get this phone for 380 through my work. How is the stamina of the battery 7-8 months later?

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To date, this post is for anyone that has had this phone from november december area. I have always struggled with battery dwindling on my phones. The LG G2 lasts 1.5 hours of screen time now on AOSP when it used to push almost 5hrs, and my girlfriends older droid razr m went from 3 hrs of screen time to a struggling 1 hour. I would wait for the next nexus but i hear its coming from hauei whoever they are. Im not comfortable going with that company yet. I have been looking at the Sony z3 (or waiting for the new Us versions z4 with the 2k screen) but i am abe to get this phone for 380 through my work. How is the stamina of the battery 7-8 months later?
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Had the phone since early December, no battery dwindling here, even with Quick Charge. I'm on Verizon, and I use LTE, never WiFi. I normally get 2-3 hours of screen time. If I use WiFi I can get 4 hours or so. It easily lasts me an entire day, but I struggle to get through 1.5-2 days. Keep in mind I do not underclock or undervolt. I am running AOSiP ROM and have Lean Kernel as my Kernel. But I don't underclock.
I did run the phone completely stock for about a month and got about the same battery life, maybe even slightly better. I have over 120 apps on my phone, and I have the 64GB White version. Let me know if you have any other questions!
P.S. For $380 you could easily buy the phone and sell it in a couple of months and lose nothing and still upgrade to a newer phone.

Its the best phone i ever had hands down and with a powerbank or using the quickcharger you will never run out of juice. Besides that its fast, responsive, has a great screen and dual speakers so overall i can recommend to anyone who appreciates vanilla. If you want bloat get a Sony, Samsung or LG BTW my screenontime is about 3-4 hours depending on usage and i think Huawei makes some pretty damn good phones like the Mate 7 for instance.

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Its the best phone i ever had hands down and with a powerbank or using the quickcharger you will never run out of juice. Besides that its fast, responsive, has a great screen and dual speakers so overall i can recommend to anyone who appreciates vanilla. If you want bloat get a Sony, Samsung or LG BTW my screenontime is about 3-4 hours depending on usage and i think Huawei makes some pretty damn good phones like the Mate 7 for instance.
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Do you use WiFi or LTE mainly? If LTE, what carrier?

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Do you use WiFi or LTE mainly? If LTE, what carrier?
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My carrier (T-Mobile) in the Netherlands just rolled out LTE where i live and coverage isn`t optimal yet (HSPA+). I`am about half the day on wifi and half on LTE (HSPA+).

All great info. No bloatware on the z3 international, and it's certified ip68 were the nexus can take a dunk but not certified. I agree 380 is good price it was a debate of this or s6 a and I'm leaning to this one

agree 100%
gee2012 said:
Its the best phone i ever had hands down and with a powerbank or using the quickcharger you will never run out of juice. Besides that its fast, responsive, has a great screen and dual speakers so overall i can recommend to anyone who appreciates vanilla. If you want bloat get a Sony, Samsung or LG BTW my screenontime is about 3-4 hours depending on usage and i think Huawei makes some pretty damn good phones like the Mate 7 for instance.
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I couldn't agree more. It is the best phone I ever had too. Recently I have purchased a Qi charger for the office, so i do not even use the turbocharger that sits at home. No battery deterioration noticed. Oh, and I never use the car charger.
WiFi / LTE - 50/50.

This is the best phone I've had as well, have had it since it came out end of 2014, on the Verizon network the entire time.
I'm on LTE 10-13 hours a day, and WiFi a few hours, the battery will last me from 6:30am - 10pm everyday, without charging at all, and being around 15%-25% when I am about to put it on charge during bedtime.
The phone is rooted, on AOSIP ROM, with AOSIP default kernal. The battery life is amazing. I get between 4-5 hours of screen on time. I am currently at 61% battery (6:30am to 3pm now), with 2 hours SOT.
I use Servicely to hibernate apps while phone is asleep. I also use 'App Ops' to disable 'Location' and 'Keep Awake' access for apps that don't need the access. I have Google Now and Facebook running normal all day, and WhatsApp is my preferred method of texting throughout the day.

Coming from a Galaxy Note 3, I'm a bit disappointed by the screen and battery life. Color reproduction is kinda weird and the screen is too dim in bright sunlight for me. I can live with the relatively weak battery but the screen is just...disappointing. Still, I love it and felt never so happy with a device!

HSPA+ is not LTE