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All,
I am new here and to SmartPhones. I like Captivate because it has low radiation.
I am impressed with the activities I see here and on CyanogenMod. However, these give me cause for concern regarding the energy level required to accomplish them. Linux is good but I am returning to graduate school in the fall so I am concerned regarding the requirement of these phones and OS's. I would appreciate it if some of you could explain why so much work occurs with Android. Is much of this activity born out of the decision of carriers to control OS releases to specific phones? I see this as a major factor presently.
With that said, it does appear Samsung blew it with regard to v2.2 and the Galaxy S phones. I am nearly embarrassed to inform you that I own two Samsung LCD monitors after learning of this negative experience.
Clearly, I void the warranty if I embrace the activities here but this just rationalizes the choice of a refurbished phone!
Please attempt to characterize the time requirement for becoming involved with these Samsung Galaxy phones and Android. I know I am not the type of person to be interested in continually working with my phone to make it better. However, I also know my limited perspective can be biasing reality with this OS and these SmartPhones unnecessarily negative.
Oddly, my wife is considering the Focus because it would give her the MS support she needs with work. Regardless, it does appear we have found a few excellent Internet resources for these choices...I just want to ensure I am not getting in over my head.
Thanks,
Rick
by radiation I assume you mean the head tumors
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All,
I am new here and to SmartPhones. I like Captivate because it has low radiation.
I am impressed with the activities I see here and on CyanogenMod. However, these give me cause for concern regarding the energy level required to accomplish them. Linux is good but I am returning to graduate school in the fall so I am concerned regarding the requirement of these phones and OS's. I would appreciate it if some of you could explain why so much work occurs with Android. Is much of this activity born out of the decision of carriers to control OS releases to specific phones? I see this as a major factor presently.
With that said, it does appear Samsung blew it with regard to v2.2 and the Galaxy S phones. I am nearly embarrassed to inform you that I own two Samsung LCD monitors after learning of this negative experience.
Clearly, I void the warranty if I embrace the activities here but this just rationalizes the choice of a refurbished phone!
Please attempt to characterize the time requirement for becoming involved with these Samsung Galaxy phones and Android. I know I am not the type of person to be interested in continually working with my phone to make it better. However, I also know my limited perspective can be biasing reality with this OS and these SmartPhones unnecessarily negative.
Oddly, my wife is considering the Focus because it would give her the MS support she needs with work. Regardless, it does appear we have found a few excellent Internet resources for these choices...I just want to ensure I am not getting in over my head.
Thanks,
Rick
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Hi Rick,
To answer your question - why so much work occurs with Android, I would like to take the liberty of rephrasing the question - why so much work occurs with Android phones? There isnt one correct answer for this.
You are correct in saying that carriers and service providers like to cripple the phone before they hand it over to the consumer. So when you buy the phone you really are not using these wonderful pieces of technology to their fullest extent. Thanks to our developers here at XDA because of whom we can in reality free the phones that we paid much moolah for, so that we maybe able to use all of the fones features that have been designed to work in conjunction with the wonderful Android OS.
Secondly, the reason why so much work goes into the phones and development to improve the functionality of the phone is because that is what Android has been designed for. Consumer can customize the phone to their liking and does not have to get stuck with the proprietary, grid like systems like the ones iphone has. Phone manufacturers, and not just Samsung, obviously design the phones software in such a way so that there is always room for improvement. They bet their dollar on the fact that an average consumer will eventually buy a newer product when its released and marketed in the future. There is always something lacking in the product that is in the market right now and that is where all this work comes into play.
Now, whether you shud buy a samsung captivate or not and what the time requirement is, is totally dependent on what you want to use the phone for and what kind of functionality you would like to get out of it.
From what you said that ur not a person who wud like to spend a lot of time modifying or playing around with your phone, you wud still like the captivate. Samsung Captivate is a very nice phone overall. Its got almost everything that you cud want in a phone. In regards to apps included with the phone, you've got a decent selection along with loads of bloatware.... If there is anything missing you can easily find it on the android market.
If you're expecting that your GPS would work right out of the box, then the answer is, maybe - maybe not. and its not android's fault, its a samsung issue. There are multiple fixes for the GPS that you can find on the forum, that being said, if you plan on utilizing those fixes, like you said not only will you void your warranty but you alone will be venturing into that experiment on your phone and dev will not be responsible for any damage that may or may not happen to your phone. But then again no guts, no glory.
So all in all, if you do end up getting the captivate, i dont think you'll be utterly disappointed, but at the same time i dont think you'll be able to sit back either when you see all these new developments posted here.
Hopefully i helped you a little and if i said too much then i apologize.
I welcome any senior member of the forum to correct me if im wrong and/or make any additions to what ive said above..
happy forumming....
My brother has a Samsung focus. It's buggy as hell, completely counter intuitive, and incomplete. Theres also no apps at all. He has like 3 different crappy youtube apps and sound boards.
And there's no CM7 to one day fix it.
Sent from my Captivate.
anandsamuel,
An excellent response; truly what I was looking for to understand the issues involved regarding Android and SmartPhones. You did not say too much.
I guess I need to start reading so I understand how to root a Captivate!
Rick
Also, that font is irritating to read.
RAVC1 said:
All,
I am new here and to SmartPhones. I like Captivate because it has low radiation.
I am impressed with the activities I see here and on CyanogenMod. However, these give me cause for concern regarding the energy level required to accomplish them. Linux is good but I am returning to graduate school in the fall so I am concerned regarding the requirement of these phones and OS's. I would appreciate it if some of you could explain why so much work occurs with Android. Is much of this activity born out of the decision of carriers to control OS releases to specific phones? I see this as a major factor presently.
With that said, it does appear Samsung blew it with regard to v2.2 and the Galaxy S phones. I am nearly embarrassed to inform you that I own two Samsung LCD monitors after learning of this negative experience.
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ok lets slow you down there. first android is linux BASED not linux. there is no need to worry about OS/ device compatibility. the most interaction between the phone and PC are just file copying like through a usb thumb drive.
the next part regarding carriers/updates/samsung. you answered yourself, kinda, and backwards. Samsung didnt blow it.
Google android updates as much as any software does - to make things better.
they release to manufacturers so they can make it work with their hardware.
Samsung released on time, BUT TO THE CARRIERS.
the carriers then take what samsung gave them and add their carrier specific settings (APN ect) and applications (bloatware).
ATT blew the update timeline.
Sometimes manufacturers release their finished product as "source code" untouched by carriers.
the long process is necessary in each step to (attempt) to make a perfect software package that will work with each phone/carrier out of the box for the end user. so it is unfair to say "born out of the decision of carriers to control OS releases to specific phones"
XDA works off of source codes and carrier releases to make our custom updates.
Clearly, I void the warranty if I embrace the activities here but this just rationalizes the choice of a refurbished phone!
Please attempt to characterize the time requirement for becoming involved with these Samsung Galaxy phones and Android. I know I am not the type of person to be interested in continually working with my phone to make it better. However, I also know my limited perspective can be biasing reality with this OS and these SmartPhones unnecessarily negative.
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there are ways to return your phone without them knowing what you did. dont worry too much about your "voided" warranty.
before i felt comfortable flashing I took about 3 days reading my A$$ off! and currently im off on workers comp. so that was 3 FULL days. even then i had issues and mistakes and my phone was out of service a few nights! but that is part of the fun.
you do not need to be the type of person to constantly update your phone to buy it. tens of thousands of people have this phone on stock firmware and it fully works. the extra effort and time that we here at XDA and cyanogenMOD do is more out of fun, and customization. Many would argue function as well, as we do sometimes fix things *better* than google/samsung/carriers. but things willl *usually* still function on stock even if on a basic level.
you only need to put in as much as you want to get out of it
so timeline,
flashing custom roms/themes PROPERLY - under a week
cutting and pasting roms frankenROMS - under a month or 2
creating - vast back knowlege of programming, ect YEAR(S)
regarding wanting to update often, not every update on XDA to your rom is necessary unles it fixes something you didnt have.
Each Android/Carrier update, would be recomended (or the XDA counterpart) as each new android version (not rom) contains the most updates/fixes. so if you were running a 2.2 (custom or stock) rom it WOULD be worth upgrading to 2.3 when available (custom or stock). but you dont NEED to update your custom rom every couple weeks when they put out their minor update on the same base rom (2.2 for eg.)
Oddly, my wife is considering the Focus because it would give her the MS support she needs with work. Regardless, it does appear we have found a few excellent Internet resources for these choices...I just want to ensure I am not getting in over my head.
Thanks,
Rick
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no comment. best regards
Trusselo,
Excellent, thoughtful response; it helped characterize this activity further for me. My concern is now recognized (and conveyed to others...) as not wanting to be required to become a developer to make my involvement with a SmartPhone constructive. Samsung, Android, XDA looks very good to me. As you mentioned, my reading has begun.
Yes, something is not right with my traditional Comic Sans Serif font here; it seems to compress it horizontally, but my aging eyes typically need this font.
And another one leaks. Same deal as 242...Security doesn't allow downgrade to 905 yada blah blah. This is getting old now. We've been on ics leaks since June and no ota in sight. House of Bionic has support for 244 for those who've already jumped to 235+. Those on 232 should continue to wait. At this point those on 232 are pretty much getting as much use out of it as they did 905. Maybe even more so. Lol.
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I think at this rate those of us on the Bionic will see Key Lime Pie out on the Nexus before we see ICS.
It's certainly getting to that point. If this build gets rejected then it's going to be October before we have any hope of seeing ota. Ugh!
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I am not that certain the Bionic will see ICS officially. Maybe there will declare it at EOL and quit.
Reason #2 why I will never, never, never buy another Moto device of any sort. This is totally absurd.
Has nothing to do with Moto. This is 100% on VZW. Moto has put out _9_ builds that VZW has rejected. *9*! That's unheard of. The ONLY issue left to fix is the stupid flash thing which NO moto ICS build works properly with. It's ridiculous but it's not Moto's fault.
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Reason #2 why I will never, never, never buy another Moto device of any sort. This is totally absurd.
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In the future, Motorola will be offering developer editions of their phones so that is my reason for continuing to remain with them, along with the quality of build typically being superior to the other companies (I say typical, as in not being 100% but for the most part).
With them releasing developer editions, this shouldn't be a problem anymore because it basically will turn all of their future devices into nexus's as far as being able to develop for.
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In the future, Motorola will be offering developer editions of their phones so that is my reason for continuing to remain with them, along with the quality of build typically being superior to the other companies (I say typical, as in not being 100% but for the most part).
With them releasing developer editions, this shouldn't be a problem anymore because it basically will turn all of their future devices into nexus's as far as being able to develop for.
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And let's not forget the most important aspect. Right in the middle of our ICS update being developed, Google went in and cleaned house at Moto. You can't deny that Moto is going to be a very different company moving forward with Google now owning them and installing an ex-Google ceo as the new Moto ceo. We're already starting to see massive changes and I for one think it's going to get a lot better. I'm on board with a new dev device from Moto as soon as they release the one I want. Samsung lost that bet with me back in July. The Samsung unicorn never materialized. Moto already has the devices up on the unlock page so we're not talking unicorns here. The RAZR M dev phone is up for preorder and I think coming this week. So, let's forget about the old Moto run by an idiot and focus on what direction Google is pointing the ship now.
I agree. I watched their press conference on YouTube and they definitely seemed like a new company. They specifically mentioned people wanting to tinker with their phones and changing things. It's been no secret that google follows the development community, especially considering some of the newer features of android were originally developed by the root community back in the old days of android (2009-2010).
On a side note, did anyone read about how nobody who works at apple actually uses SIRI (at least none of their developers). I found it amusing since I've seen the apple fanboys brag about SIRI. I think google and Android manufacturers should look into suing apple over some of the things they took from Android, such as voice search and folders. If you ask a fanboy, I'm sure they would tell you that android stole those from apple as well, even if we did have them first.
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On a side note, did anyone read about how nobody who works at apple actually uses SIRI (at least none of their developers). I found it amusing since I've seen the apple fanboys brag about SIRI. I think google and Android manufacturers should look into suing apple over some of the things they took from Android, such as voice search and folders. If you ask a fanboy, I'm sure they would tell you that android stole those from apple as well, even if we did have them first.
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Share a link... I'd love to read about that bit of news.
A curiosity about this release... Some folks (including myself) found out that tethering was borked, even with FoxFi, after a certain leak release version. I'm not sure which one but I know tethering wasn't working for me on .232 and it doesn't work on my install of Liquid ICS 1.5 ROM, but I started from scratch and put .223 back into my non-safe side and FoxFi worked. Any idea if .244 still blocks tethering?
The obvious answer would be "yes" if we follow the logic that some version after .223 blocked it, but I just wanted to make sure
FoxFi hasn't stopped working for me in any of the builds. Still kicking for me in 244, as well.
Its in the article on USA today about a former executive talking about the siri commercials detracting from the product. I believe it made other news outlets also. I'll see if I can find a link.
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Vnvjeep said:
Share a link... I'd love to read about that bit of news.
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Here is a link. The part about apple employees not using it is near the end.
http://mashable.com/2012/09/10/ex-apple-exec-pull-siri-ads/
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.244 change log
-the boring 2 has been changed to an awesome 4
-new "chiwawa barking dog" default ringtone
-phone now actually taste like a ice cream sandwich
-leaves breath minty fresh
ROFLMAO! That about sums it up.
Its VZW causing the delay
SamuriHL said:
Has nothing to do with Moto. This is 100% on VZW. Moto has put out _9_ builds that VZW has rejected. *9*! That's unheard of. The ONLY issue left to fix is the stupid flash thing which NO moto ICS build works properly with. It's ridiculous but it's not Moto's fault.
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I agree, this is 100% VZW. My Motorola Xoom tablet received Android 4.1 back in July, because they did not have to go through VZW to release to the field. The XOOM and Bioinc run the exact same processor.
LMDude said:
I agree, this is 100% VZW. My Motorola Xoom tablet received Android 4.1 back in July, because they did not have to go through VZW to release to the field. The XOOM and Bioinc run the exact same processor.
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Actually they don't. The Bionic uses an OMAP 4400. Nonetheless, VZW is what's holding up the OTA. Moto has done everything they can do to try to please them. I mean, how do you fix a problem with a plugin that's never going to get another update by the people who made it? It's clear that Adobe would have to fix it on their end not on Moto's. So it's just stupid.
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Actually they don't. The Bionic uses an OMAP 4400. Nonetheless, VZW is what's holding up the OTA. Moto has done everything they can do to try to please them. I mean, how do you fix a problem with a plugin that's never going to get another update by the people who made it? It's clear that Adobe would have to fix it on their end not on Moto's. So it's just stupid.
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I value your opinion SamuriHL so let me ask you this. Is VZW's delay why you have chosen to go down the can never go back path (.235-.244)? I've been sitting idle at .232 and I'm ready to move on. Now with the news that we will get JB OTA at some point should I just wait another month for the ICS OTA or do what you have done down the leaked path. Do you think we'll get JB leaks too? I don't mind making the jump but I have to live with this phone for at least another 14 months and honestly i don't think I'll need to upgrade when the time comes. I'm pretty darn content with the Bionic. I just don't want to go down this road to end up at a dead end. Can we keep going forward?
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I value your opinion SamuriHL so let me ask you this. Is VZW's delay why you have chosen to go down the can never go back path (.235-.244)? I've been sitting idle at .232 and I'm ready to move on. Now with the news that we will get JB OTA at some point should I just wait another month for the ICS OTA or do what you have done down the leaked path. Do you think we'll get JB leaks too? I don't mind making the jump but I have to live with this phone for at least another 14 months and honestly i don't think I'll need to upgrade when the time comes. I'm pretty darn content with the Bionic. I just don't want to go down this road to end up at a dead end. Can we keep going forward?
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I can't give you any guarantees. Please understand that point as it's VERY important to what I say next.
I chose to originally go to the 235+ path because at the time I THOUGHT I was within a couple weeks of getting a new Samsung S3 Developer phone (what I now call the Samsung unicorn). However, I also wrote the House of Bionic and knew that I could keep moving forward as new leaks came out. Little did I know there'd be so many to test my code on. LOL! The HoB is pretty rock solid at this point....literally being "tested" by hundreds of users. But the warning about 235+ holds...we can't go back to any builds pre-235. That includes 905 which is a very big deal since all ICS updates ONLY update 905. The HoB will flash what parts of 905 it can (system, preinstall, webtop) and then the boot img of the update you're trying to install which allows us to move forward. And in fact allows us to move down, as well. Just no further down than 235. I bring that up for a reason. A lot of us have gone to 244 and we like it. A lot. But should VZW decide to OTA 242, as an example, those of us that have moved forward would be screwed without the ability to move back to 242 to get back on the OTA path. The HoB can do that for us. So I'm not personally concerned with my own phone getting back to the OTA path. Once we get a new ICS FXZ we'll be fine regardless. My warnings are for people that haven't been as blessed as I have to learn from some of the best people in our community. I like to make sure that others have options. Which is why I recommend the majority of people stick with 232. Unless you know the risks, and understand what the process does to your phone to move from one update to another (hint...it involves soft bricking until the update you're trying to install is successfully applied....not for the faint of heart since there's no FXZ safety net to fall back on should something go wrong), then 232 is the "safest" place to be. It gives you ICS but gives you the option of FXZ'ing back to 905 and taking the OTA should you need to go that route. Those on 235+ have only one option available to them...And that is the process I outlined that Matt Groff gave to us for moving between updates. I'm confident enough in the code and method that I believe it'll work. Now, go read the very first line of this post again, cause it's an important point to understand.
SamuriHL said:
I can't give you any guarantees. Please understand that point as it's VERY important to what I say next.
I chose to originally go to the 235+ path because at the time I THOUGHT I was within a couple weeks of getting a new Samsung S3 Developer phone (what I now call the Samsung unicorn). However, I also wrote the House of Bionic and knew that I could keep moving forward as new leaks came out. Little did I know there'd be so many to test my code on. LOL! The HoB is pretty rock solid at this point....literally being "tested" by hundreds of users. But the warning about 235+ holds...we can't go back to any builds pre-235. That includes 905 which is a very big deal since all ICS updates ONLY update 905. The HoB will flash what parts of 905 it can (system, preinstall, webtop) and then the boot img of the update you're trying to install which allows us to move forward. And in fact allows us to move down, as well. Just no further down than 235. I bring that up for a reason. A lot of us have gone to 244 and we like it. A lot. But should VZW decide to OTA 242, as an example, those of us that have moved forward would be screwed without the ability to move back to 242 to get back on the OTA path. The HoB can do that for us. So I'm not personally concerned with my own phone getting back to the OTA path. Once we get a new ICS FXZ we'll be fine regardless. My warnings are for people that haven't been as blessed as I have to learn from some of the best people in our community. I like to make sure that others have options. Which is why I recommend the majority of people stick with 232. Unless you know the risks, and understand what the process does to your phone to move from one update to another (hint...it involves soft bricking until the update you're trying to install is successfully applied....not for the faint of heart since there's no FXZ safety net to fall back on should something go wrong), then 232 is the "safest" place to be. It gives you ICS but gives you the option of FXZ'ing back to 905 and taking the OTA should you need to go that route. Those on 235+ have only one option available to them...And that is the process I outlined that Matt Groff gave to us for moving between updates. I'm confident enough in the code and method that I believe it'll work. Now, go read the very first line of this post again, cause it's an important point to understand.
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I understand completely. One thing I just learned was If lets say .244 (or .242 as you used as an example) is the OTA release then we are back on the path as long as our version matches the current verizon version. Or did I totally miss interput that. HoB script is Awesome and is what I've used for moving from .2233-.232 and I fully trust myself to use these tools properly to move forward. Sounds like you're in the know of where to locate updates and are a reliable member of the Bionic XDA Community. Since there MAY be a way for us to move forward I think I'll take the plunge this weekend when I have some down time. Thank You
I am not having an easy time finding a clear cut way to root my phone. I know that since 5.1.1 came out like 2-3 weeks ago that I need to be on 5.0.2. So I need to know how to revert back to that. And then I also know that you need to do some weird **** from what I am used to to just simply root our phones. Something with the OE2 to OF3 and some other things related to that. Really weird to me when I am used to more or less pressing a button and I am rooted...... This being said I need to know how to root my phone too. And if it is possible to root 5.1.1 then those instructions would be preferred(saying it is stable/tested/etc.
I ultimately want to be able to use either XtreStoLite ROMs. Preferably the Odex Pure Edition though but from what I've read when you do the 5.0.2 version there was some call audio problems...which is no good for a phone lol.
Last phone I really tried to do **** with was the HTC Aria. Had an S3 for awhile but didn't feel like doing anything with it since it was so old at the time I received it(almost 2 years ago now)
/startrant
I feel like XDA is way more confusing than it used to be. Either that or the community for the S6 isn't the best from other phones I've used, personally. This new UI for XDA is also weird to me as well(doubt it is very new though).
Used to seeing a clear cut:
How To Root thread(s)
List of Custom Roms thread(s)
other useful threads that make going around the phones forum so much easier than having to use the search engine.
it definitely doesn't help that more or less all other versions of the phone work with each other easily vs ATT being ****ing douchebags and can't even just release the current OS right when literally every other company does.
Conclusion.... **** ATT... Long ago I wanted to go to verizon but wasn't in a position to but figured at this point in time(3-4 years later, maybe more) that things might have changed. **** ATT
/endrant
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<lots of complaining>
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There is no way to root your phone, the bootloader is signed we don't have the keys.
In addition it would behoove you greatly if you learned to both search and to be knowledgeable as to what your 'one click' solutions do. Without knowing what your clicking you'll find it hard to fix when things go wrong.
In short though your SoL here, unless your phone is on an exceptionally early build you can't root, and I doubt it's on that early of a build unless you made an effort to keep it from updating and bought the phone close to launch.
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OP asked about reverting to 5.0.2, so it's pretty safe to assume he's on 5.1.1.
OP - at this point, as posted above, all you can do is wait and hope. There is no way to revert to a rootable build from 5.1.1, nor root 5.1.1, on an ATT branded device, at this time. If you are committed to wanting root and custom ROMs, don't buy any AT&T or VZW branded devices, and don't buy devices that are running anything other than mainstream processors. Nexus is your friend. Or revert back to your Aria - I'm still using mine, running CM11, as a media player.
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I know 5.1.1 can't be rooted but I thought 5.0.2 can be. But from the sounds of it once I have 5.1.1 installed then my bootloader is changed? And reverting back doesn't change the loader? Oh, after reading the last part of the 1st reply. It sounds like all those people that say they've rooted there 5.0.2 version was just because they purchased at launch?
As for understanding the 'one click' solutions. At the times I did know what they did. The forums for the phone(s) I was using at the time were a lot more neat and straightforward(this is apparently one word, didn't know...) to understand. Like I said, this new layout of XDA(it is new to me even if it might be 2 years old or something) isn't as nice/useful personally. And as for searching, I do but once again the searches are different than how other forums do searches. Or maybe it is just the cluttered feeling I get from the S6 forums maybe. Not sure.
P.S.(_Dennis_) No **** it is a lot of complaining...granted I basically got the phone for free because of how AT&T does there plans and ****...this still makes me hate AT&T even more than I used to...at least with my older phones there was hope for someone to make ROMs/Roots/etc for the phone, just took longer because AT&T rides the short bus... So yes I will complain. But I still genuinely had questions I wanted answers. I know you had to read what I wrote but you didn't take it in I guess. Because the only way I would have some of that info is if I was searching. I just didn't know about only the launch models basically can be rooted and no others. Which is why I was asking about reverting to 5.0.2
I will thank you both for actually posting and answering my questions though. Versus in the normal S6 forum people just completely ignored me. So I do appreciate you guys answering me.
Hi everybody, i have a problem about system os update. I do not want to update my os, it's very stable now. But note 8 OS, constantly warning me to update
Is there a way to cancel to update signals ( specially top on the settings widget, it's so annoying )
I did not try the bk package disabler. My friend says that program consumes to much battery, is it true ?
thank you,
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Hi everybody, i have a problem about system os update. I do not want to update my os, it's very stable now. But note 8 OS, constantly warning me to update
Is there a way to cancel to update signals ( specially top on the settings widget, it's so annoying )
I did not try the bk package disabler. My friend says that program consumes to much battery, is it true ?
thank you,
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Im using BK Disabler and do not consume to much battery..BK Disabler is the most safe way to stop os update.
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Im using BK Disabler and do not consume to much battery..BK Disabler is the most safe way to stop os update.
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thank you so much, i will try to bk package disabler.
Be aware that you are subject to serious security vulnerabilities if you don't update your firmware. Some recent flaws let an attacker take over your phone without your having to do anything (you don't have to download anything or visit a sketchy website or whatever). Malware can be installed that steals your passwords, reads or sends emails or texts from your phone, turns on and streams from your mic or camera, etc.
It would be one thing if they provided information as to what was in the update, but there is never any info. Just a mysterious update that is forced on your device, even if you turn off automatic system updates. It really pisses me off when I spend $950 on a piece of equipment, and I get no say in what goes on it. Basically, I don't even own it. I'm just paying to use it, twice. So yeah, I'd also like to disable all this crap, and decide for myself what I install and when.
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It would be one thing if they provided information as to what was in the update, but there is never any info. Just a mysterious update that is forced on your device, even if you turn off automatic system updates. It really pisses me off when I spend $950 on a piece of equipment, and I get no say in what goes on it. Basically, I don't even own it. I'm just paying to use it, twice. So yeah, I'd also like to disable all this crap, and decide for myself what I install and when.
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I think you are just looking at it wrong. Security updates/bug fixes are for your benefit. Not to break your device. They usually tell you what the update is or provide a more info link. But if you are curious just look it up. They aren't hiding anything. Your carrier is the one who finalizes and issues the update, it will be on their website. I am on T-Mobile and I have to check manually for an update before it will check the server. I know other carriers are different though. Some just push it. But either way it's stuff you are going to want. Especially since the next update is going to be Oreo. If you really don't want updates though it's not that hard to disable. Just figure out whatever app is responsible for checking the server and freeze it. Its all in your hands...
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I think you are just looking at it wrong. Security updates/bug fixes are for your benefit. Not to break your device. They usually tell you what the update is or provide a more info link. But if you are curious just look it up. They aren't hiding anything. Your carrier is the one who finalizes and issues the update, it will be on their website. I am on T-Mobile and I have to check manually for an update before it will check the server. I know other carriers are different though. Some just push it. But either way it's stuff you are going to want. Especially since the next update is going to be Oreo. If you really don't want updates though it's not that hard to disable. Just figure out whatever app is responsible for checking the server and freeze it. Its all in your hands...
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I'm on AT&T. They used to give you the option to look at info about the updates. They quit doing that a long time ago. I also haven't had much luck finding info on my own. I'm well aware that there are often security updates included. The point is, you have no idea what they are forcing you to install, and they no longer give you a choice. Or at least they try not to.
And, although I hate to sound like a conspiracy theorist, and I know there is no evidence to support the popular claim that manufacturers and carriers purposely slow down your device to push you to buy new products, these companies exist for one purpose, which is to make money. How many times have businesses been caught doing things they claimed they weren't doing? Most recently Apple was caught slowing down older devices, though arguably with good reason.
And what if I'm perfectly happy with my device on Nougat, and don't want Oreo? The point is, the choice should be mine alone, and I should be provided the information to make that choice. I'm the one shelling out almost a grand for a device that will probably last 2 years, if I'm lucky. Hell, I paid $700 for a laptop, probably 4 or 5 years ago, and it still works like new. It just doesn't have all the latest technology, but it still functions as intended when I purchased it. So forgive me if I'm a bit sceptical about my mobile device that slows down in less than a year, and is designed with no easily replaceable parts, like a battery. They want you to keep buying new ones. That's how they grow their business and make a profit.
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I'm on AT&T. They used to give you the option to look at info about the updates. They quit doing that a long time ago. I also haven't had much luck finding info on my own. I'm well aware that there are often security updates included. The point is, you have no idea what they are forcing you to install, and they no longer give you a choice. Or at least they try not to.
And, although I hate to sound like a conspiracy theorist, and I know there is no evidence to support the popular claim that manufacturers and carriers purposely slow down your device to push you to buy new products, these companies exist for one purpose, which is to make money. How many times have businesses been caught doing things they claimed they weren't doing? Most recently Apple was caught slowing down older devices, though arguably with good reason.
And what if I'm perfectly happy with my device on Nougat, and don't want Oreo? The point is, the choice should be mine alone, and I should be provided the information to make that choice. I'm the one shelling out almost a grand for a device that will probably last 2 years, if I'm lucky. Hell, I paid $700 for a laptop, probably 4 or 5 years ago, and it still works like new. It just doesn't have all the latest technology, but it still functions as intended when I purchased it. So forgive me if I'm a bit sceptical about my mobile device that slows down in less than a year, and is designed with no easily replaceable parts, like a battery. They want you to keep buying new ones. That's how they grow their business and make a profit.
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It has been well known in the tech industry for years that Apple slows devices. They just finally got caught and now it's gonna back fire. I have never read of Samsung doing the same. They are a hardware company at heart. Apple just sells phones. They NEED people to buy the new ones. Just look at how fragile their stock is with one flagship not doing well. They are too dependant on brand loyalty and conspicuous consumption. They have a motive. I haven't seen any reports over the years of Samsung doing the same. Samsung has many revenue streams and sell more phones world wide at numbers that dwarf Apple. I dont think they put any thought into slowing devices. There is no motive there. But if you are paranoid all the same. Then i suggest buying unlocked phones and running custom firmware.
All I read is negative on the topic of the US Snapdragon Galaxy S10 receiving root/an unlocked bootloader as I understand Samsung has kept these variants locked since the S7 series.
But is it not true that anything that can be locked can be unlocked? It's impossible to have a truly unbreakable lock, hardware or software, no?
And if it is completely impossible, why is this? Are people actively working on it/is there any potential we will receive root in a way similar to the SamFails exploit for the S8 series?
Of course, I'm just a consumer. I'm not exactly sure what goes into this. It would be helpful to gain some insight on what is and is not possible for my S10.
Kind of disappointed I'm unable to afford a Canadian or other foreign variant because I do payment plans. But I really would love the feeling of having root again. I really do miss it.
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. I really do miss it.
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But why?
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All I read is negative on the topic of the US Snapdragon Galaxy S10 receiving root/an unlocked bootloader as I understand Samsung has kept these variants locked since the S7 series.
But is it not true that anything that can be locked can be unlocked? It's impossible to have a truly unbreakable lock, hardware or software, no?
And if it is completely impossible, why is this? Are people actively working on it/is there any potential we will receive root in a way similar to the SamFails exploit for the S8 series?
Of course, I'm just a consumer. I'm not exactly sure what goes into this. It would be helpful to gain some insight on what is and is not possible for my S10.
Kind of disappointed I'm unable to afford a Canadian or other foreign variant because I do payment plans. But I really would love the feeling of having root again. I really do miss it.
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You should have purchased another phone, because it's not going to happen on this one.
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But why?
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Because I enjoyed the extra features associated with it?
Superuser, flashing a ROM, even just getting rid of certain bloatware or using a PS3 controller with bluetooth.
There's just a bunch of small things that I miss being able to do, but Samsung has been progressively locking their **** up more and more.
Why does it matter why I want it?
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But why?
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You should have purchased another phone, because it's not going to happen on this one.
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This is the sort of thing I'm talking about. I don't know how you can definitively say this other than for the fact that nobody seems to even be giving a ****.
And that's how it goes, nobody gives a **** until it's figured out.
I'm sure a lot of people had the same exact mindset when the S8 got root without tripping Knox, but it got it eventually.
Maybe if more people had been working on it, it would've come about much earlier than it did.
So what is your reasoning other than "well Samsung made it hard to do so nobody attempts it?"
Nothing is impossible to break into.
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This is the sort of thing I'm talking about. I don't know how you can definitively say this other than for the fact that nobody seems to even be giving a ****.
And that's how it goes, nobody gives a **** until it's figured out.
I'm sure a lot of people had the same exact mindset when the S8 got root without tripping Knox, but it got it eventually.
Maybe if more people had been working on it, it would've come about much earlier than it did.
So what is your reasoning other than "well Samsung made it hard to do so nobody attempts it?"
Nothing is impossible to break into.
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Wait wait wait lets clear this up. the s8 got root within a month or two of it being out. However, this was NOT because "people worked on it hard enough" It was because an engineering boot/build got leaked. This was not matter of working to root the thing then they had a magic breakthrough due to hard work. It was rooted because of the leaked engineering build.
I hope that they end up having the same thing happen there too, I really do. However, I would not keep your hopes up. Samsung is very good about locking their devices down when they want to. The level of dedication and work that a team would have to put in would have to be the equivalent or bigger than the team samsung has working to lock these things down. The problem with that? any team that has that time and money is not going to be working to root a samsung device. they are going to be taking paid jobs and if they did find a security flaw to exploit, they would probably turn it into samsung for a payout.
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So what is your reasoning other than "well Samsung made it hard to do so nobody attempts it?"
Nothing is impossible to break into.
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LOL, welcome to the real world, because things can be made impossible to break into. I'm still amazed at people buying a phone they know can't be rooted, get buy it anyway.
Hey guys I agree with the OP of this thread. I am by no means a dev but want to try and help where I can. I posted a thread on galaxy s10+ forum regarding the eng bootloader from Pakfirmware. If you are interested check it out https://forum.xda-developers.com/s10-plus/how-to/eng-bootloader-t3914050
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Hey guys I agree with the OP of this thread. I am by no means a dev but want to try and help where I can. I posted a thread on galaxy s10+ forum regarding the eng bootloader from Pakfirmware. If you are interested check it out https://forum.xda-developers.com/s10-plus/how-to/eng-bootloader-t3914050
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Good dialog here. One question, is the Exynos version the same in every way as the Snapdragon, especially the having the same 3G/4G LTE Bands?
If so, why not just buy the Exynos version Unlocked from an overseas website?
The only disadvantage would be if they fail to include the newer bands like 23, 66,71,14....etc...
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But is it not true that anything that can be locked can be unlocked? It's impossible to have a truly unbreakable lock, hardware or software, no?
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That locked down phone is a selling point. They'll sell far more phones to people that don't care about rooting... and that's before the corporate and government sales.
Can it be unlocked? It's possible. It could happen today, or it could take two years like the Verizon Note4 and require such a convoluted process that many people will screw their phones up in the attempt. In the case of the Note4, it took so long that many developers had long moved on to newer devices.
Are there people working on the unlock? Undoubtedly. But I've found that this work goes on quietly, less the unwashed masses try incomplete methods and end up making their phones useless. (I hesitate to use the term "bricked," because that implies a phone that cannot be fixed by anyone. It is an overused term on these forums.)
I used to flash two or three ROMs a day back when I first got an Android phone in the Droid Incredible days. Perhaps it's my age, but most of the ROMs I flashed had issues I don't want to mess with anymore. While the One UI isn't a perfect experience, the only possible enticement I could see to root my phone would be a full nandroid backup.
And if they do find a way to root, I'll be in the thread laughing my ass off at the idiots who don't know what they're doing and can't follow directions "brick" their phones. A word of wisdom: don't try to be the first. Let others screw up and get the process refined.
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Because I enjoyed the extra features associated with it?
Superuser, flashing a ROM, even just getting rid of certain bloatware or using a PS3 controller with bluetooth.
There's just a bunch of small things that I miss being able to do, but Samsung has been progressively locking their **** up more and more.
Why does it matter why I want it?
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It doesn't matter. I was genuinely curious. You might gain a few little things, but you break everything that uses Knox. Samsung Pay, S-Health, Secure Folder, apps like Adhell and Disconnect Pro. Oh, and you NEVER get those back even after un-rooting, so you have to sell it for a significantly lower price because the device is crippled.
Samsung is locking their devices down so they can provide a secure environment for US Government and company use. 97% of the consumer market appreciates the lock down as well, because it's more difficult for malware to use an exploit to gain root and use that to steal passwords, pins, numbers and so on.
If you want to be able to unlock a devices bootloader, add root access and flash community roms, you need to get another device. If you still want to root a Samsung, you need an Exynos device. But again, see my first paragraph.
If you really want to have root then probably the best thing is not to buy a phone till root has been made available. For certain type of phones this is unlikely to ever materialize. The situation is not unique to Samsung, particularly Samsung phones with Snapdragon; as also Huawei phones have become increasingly difficult/impossible to unlock and root.