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[ROM] Final Froyo Release for Obsidian by CCRoms V2.02 Next Up Gingerbread

Welcome to the final release of Froyo, by the CCRoms team, which means you guessed it, we're switching gears to Gingerbread after this release. With this release we managed to get the Evo/Emerald going as intended(sorry for the wait.) The Galaxy S style pulldown power widget has been implemented in this release as well. Gem settings have been completely re-written as well, to provide a more intuitive and easier to understand interface for everyone, and of course bug fixes abound.
downloads available at: http://www.ccroms.net
Note:
Droid X users, at this point there is nothign more we can find to do to improve battery life. When/If the battery starts to drain fast, gets sluggish, or gets hot, reboot the phone this will put the race condition causing all of these problems back to sleep, unfortunately there is no way to put the process back to sleep once it wakes up and if you kill the process kernel panics and the phone reboots anyway.

sniffle said:
Welcome to the final release of Froyo, by the CCRoms team, which means you guessed it, we're switching gears to Gingerbread after this release. With this release we managed to get the Evo/Emerald going as intended(sorry for the wait.) The Galaxy S style pulldown power widget has been implemented in this release as well. Gem settings have been completely re-written as well, to provide a more intuitive and easier to understand interface for everyone, and of course bug fixes abound.
downloads available at: http://www.ccroms.net
Note:
Droid X users, at this point there is nothign more we can find to do to improve battery life. When/If the battery starts to drain fast, gets sluggish, or gets hot, reboot the phone this will put the race condition causing all of these problems back to sleep, unfortunately there is no way to put the process back to sleep once it wakes up and if you kill the process kernel panics and the phone reboots anyway.
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How do you plan on bringing gingerbread to the droid x when we won't have the proper kernel to take advantage of it?

Are the "known issues" (GPS, camera/camcorder, etc.) fixed in this release?

avlfive said:
Are the "known issues" (GPS, camera/camcorder, etc.) fixed in this release?
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No they are not. It shows all the known issues from the dl link posted above

bravo1234 said:
How do you plan on bringing gingerbread to the droid x when we won't have the proper kernel to take advantage of it?
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for the record, a kernel is nothing more than a core piece of low-level software that executes other programs and provides access to the hardware. nothing says that when you upgrade an android version you MUST upgrade the kernel as well, if anything you just might need to modify how android interfaces with the hardware to match the old kernel interfaces.

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No they are not. It shows all the known issues from the dl link posted above
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Saw that, just didn't know if it hadn't been updated quite yet. Too bad. I'm still waiting on these to be fixed before I can jump back in. LOVED the ROM though.

avlfive said:
Saw that, just didn't know if it hadn't been updated quite yet. Too bad. I'm still waiting on these to be fixed before I can jump back in. LOVED the ROM though.
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Those are all a must for me at least
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I don't understand the gps issue or the camera issue. If there was fine GPS and a camera i would love the fact it is AOSP however not that i use them all that often but if i loaded it i would inevitably need one or both. and its still beta if you can't get a totally stable and working froyo rom how will you ever get the GB stable. Will the kexec(?) be used to use custom kernels to make the gps and camera work?

I just booted this up seemed ok other than the problems known but for some reason it wouldn't let me download anything from the market said I didn't have enough room.... Idk y that happened
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Funnyface19 said:
I just booted this up seemed ok other than the problems known but for some reason it wouldn't let me download anything from the market said I didn't have enough room.... Idk y that happened
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same here. it's been reported in other obsidian forums too. i was able to get around it by using an older version of market. i installed cm gapps instead of obsidian gapps. The cm gapps had a version of market from 2 month ago. everything worked fine. then i updated my market to 2.2.11 and the "There's not enough room..." error message was right back again.
other than that, i really love how clean and fast this rom is. thanks a ton cvpcs and best of luck with the cyanogenmod team.

any pics of the drop down toggles???

tttuning said:
any pics of the drop down toggles???
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RbKJy6MPUz0

cvpcs said:
for the record, a kernel is nothing more than a core piece of low-level software that executes other programs and provides access to the hardware. nothing says that when you upgrade an android version you MUST upgrade the kernel as well, if anything you just might need to modify how android interfaces with the hardware to match the old kernel interfaces.
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what...? What!? That is completely wrong... Nothing says you have to upgrade the kernel... unless Gingerbread uses modules not currently in the present kernel, which I can pretty much guarantee it will... Your statement could hold true for something such as minor update like 2.2 to 2.2.1 as we saw earlier, but would very like cause many things to not work come gingerbread. A good example is the previous hacked upgrades of 2.1 to 2.2 back before the proper kernels were released (specifically in memory of the HTC Incredible) sure, 2.2 could run without the proper kernel, of course your WiFi wouldn't work, GPS didn't work, if you tried to run the 720p camera it would crash, as well as several others that I cannot remember as of this moment. The kernel is not "just a low level piece of software" it is the backbone of your entire system, especially when it comes to the system talking with the hardware itself.

I think Taco that you should reread CVPS post. It stated this...
"nothing says that when you upgrade an android version you MUST upgrade the kernel as well"
Which is what you said was wrong, then said the same thing following it.

So how is the rom working for everyone? or it's pretty much dead..

ram130 said:
So how is the rom working for everyone? or it's pretty much dead..
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I think it was pretty much dead on arrival when it said the camera & camcorder didn't work...that's kind of a mandatory feature of any smartphone.
If it's been fixed...then they're lame for not updating the page noting the bugs.

JagoX said:
I think it was pretty much dead on arrival when it said the camera & camcorder didn't work...that's kind of a mandatory feature of any smartphone.
If it's been fixed...then they're lame for not updating the page noting the bugs.
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Well that sucks ..development on this phone is so slow..

The worst part is the x HAD so much potential, do to great things. I have watched this forum since the day the x launched and the sad thing is that the tbolt is only 6 days old right now and has a much larger devwlopment thread than the x has had at any point. Sad to say it but i think moto phones are done in the development community.
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ksizzle9 said:
The worst part is the x HAD so much potential, do to great things. I have watched this forum since the day the x launched and the sad thing is that the tbolt is only 6 days old right now and has a much larger devwlopment thread than the x has had at any point. Sad to say it but i think moto phones are done in the development community.
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The X development has all but ceased from what I can see. Such a bummer since I'm stuck with it for another year and a half. Hopefully we can see a few updates to some ROMs once gingerbread rolls around for the phone, but after that I don't see much reason for hope.

True...so what was the most annoying issue with this rom? Im thinking about flashing it. Im on 3.4.2 now.
Also you can sell your DX on swappa.com then pay the difference and get a htc.

CM7. Worth it?

I have had my cappy since release and have been flashing roms since. I'm some what of a techie so I have had no issue with the process and feel comfortable flashing CM7, but is it worth it. Should I wait or indulge myself? Thanks for the input.
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Personally I think you should go ahead and try it. It's by far the best rom I have ever ran and don't plan to go back to other roms for a long time if at all. It just runs so smoothly and just has an overall good feel to it. As far as everything is working for me it is very stable and usable no real issues that matter after the most recent update so I absolutely love it

It's worth it to try it. Just try it and see if it fits your tastes.
And if you don't like it, it's worth it to flash back to stock
I tried it and liked it, I just know that the CM7 team is going to be pushing out bigger and better things... It's just a matter of when. So for now, I'm sticking with Cog 4.1 and a custom kernel.

Thanks for the input guys. I think I'm going to give it another week and sed what else they release then I'm going for it!
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Make sure you know what works and what doesn't and if that's important to you. I know HD video doesn't and that might be a minor/non issue to those who say CM7 is great and works flawlessly for them. You have to apply your own criteria because someone elses may be far different from yours.

Miami_Son said:
Make sure you know what works and what doesn't and if that's important to you. I know HD video doesn't and that might be a minor/non issue to those who say CM7 is great and works flawlessly for them. You have to apply your own criteria because someone elses may be far different from yours.
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Seems you have made it a personal crusade out of warning people of the inherent dangers of CM7. Anytime someone asks any questions there you are. I don't think I've heard anyone including myself say that the rom is flawless but I could make a long list of bugs from every rom that has ever been released for the Captivate. Hell, I remember when DG put out Cog based on the 10/10 leak and he was pushing updates almost every night to fix things.

Known Bugs
Front Facing-Camera (Obviously, as our Cappys don't have Front-Facing Cameras)
Polling problem on RIL (works after lock and unlock)
2G/3G toggle (works if no data connection is active)
Compass (works not at 100%)
USB sharing of external SD-Card
commands: reboot recovery, reboot download (maybe not possible to implement)
FM-Radio
TV-Out
If you're fine with the above, I actually think it's really stable for a Beta. It's up to you The process is a bit hard to do than a normal ROM though.

Roof King said:
Seems you have made it a personal crusade out of warning people of the inherent dangers of CM7. Anytime someone asks any questions there you are. I don't think I've heard anyone including myself say that the rom is flawless but I could make a long list of bugs from every rom that has ever been released for the Captivate. Hell, I remember when DG put out Cog based on the 10/10 leak and he was pushing updates almost every night to fix things.
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I could point you to a dozen posts where users of CM7 either downplayed the issues or claimed it was running flawlessly on their Cappy. I can also point you to as many posts of people who screwed up the install or had other issues with it. Both get pretty tiresome.
This thread is no different than asking which ROM is best and should be closed just like those are. It really is a personal preference. At the least, it should have been asked in the CM7 sticky, that's what they're here for.

Roof King said:
Seems you have made it a personal crusade out of warning people of the inherent dangers of CM7. Anytime someone asks any questions there you are. I don't think I've heard anyone including myself say that the rom is flawless but I could make a long list of bugs from every rom that has ever been released for the Captivate. Hell, I remember when DG put out Cog based on the 10/10 leak and he was pushing updates almost every night to fix things.
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It seems he is on a crusader against a lot of things. The eternal pessimist
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I could point you to a dozen posts where users of CM7 either downplayed the issues or claimed it was running flawlessly on their Cappy. I can also point you to as many posts of people who screwed up the install or had other issues with it. Both get pretty tiresome.
This thread is no different than asking which ROM is best and should be closed just like those are. It really is a personal preference. At the least, it should have been asked in the CM7 sticky, that's what they're here for.
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Lets be fair, there have been tons of threads because someone bricked their phone flashing cognition, serendipity, etc. I have helped some that have soft bricked their phone just trying to root.
There have been hundreds of threads because of odin soft bricks.
I am on two weeks with it on my phone. the issues that exist, if you read, are all avoidable. I am not "claiming" anything other than it is more than stable enough for daily use, but it is a work in progress.
Is it worth it, yes, as long as you can read and comprehend. Treat your phone like the valuable hardware it is, and don't flash if you are unsure
Ps. Have you submitted your mod application
CM7

I'm running Juiced 1.2. I love it.

mcord11758 said:
Is it worth it, yes, as long as you can read and comprehend.
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That's a major caveat in here, seeing how common sense is at a premium these days.
Ps. Have you submitted your mod application
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I'm already a mod or admin at several other sites, including a cell phone site. They all have pretty much the same rules and expectations and about the same number of users that disregard both. Mr. Clown and Zelendel do a fine job, but the users also have a responsibility to help out when possible. There are a number of stickies in this subforum specifically for certain ROMs. They were created to help reduce the clutter and keep the forum focused. This thread should have gone there along with a number of others. If people would just take a moment to think before starting a thread, this place would run a lot smoother, especially for those who view it from their devices. Just sayin'.

[DEV][WIP] CyanogenMod 7 for the LG Revolution (working 2d/3d acceleration!)

No, it's not out yet-- but I do have it booting, and with working touchscreen support
Video Link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnRlyMZzdT0
New video:: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2d4pZXyayts
That's about it right now.
Things left:
Mobile Voice
3G Data
4G Data / Voice
Audio
Front Camera
Back Camera
GPS
Bluetooth
Wifi
DSP support for video encode/decode
Vibrate/Notification LED
As I get things working, I'll update this list.
My first priority is wifi, then mobile voice, then 3g data, then vibrate/notification LED.
After that, I'll get GPS working (not hard) then rear camera.
Things that'll probably not happen in CM7 for a while:
Front camera
4G Voice
4G Data
Anything to do with 4G will be VERY tough, since I don't have LG's kernel sources, and I'm no RIL reverse engineer... Any help in this matter is appreciated!

You are the man!

Anxiously awaiting!
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Uh oh....deciding between 4G and CM7 is going to be rough.
Good work dasgewürfelte (thecubed in German haha)...thanks for everything

Anytime you need a tester Cubed, just let me know. My city is scheduled to get 4G this Thursday so I should be able to test that for you too, soon.

thecubed said:
No, it's not out yet-- but I do have it booting, and with working touchscreen support
That's about it right now.
Things left:
Mobile Voice
3G Data
4G Data / Voice
Audio
Front Camera
Back Camera
GPS
Bluetooth
Wifi
DSP support for video encode/decode
Vibrate/Notification LED
As I get things working, I'll update this list.
My first priority is wifi, then mobile voice, then 3g data, then vibrate/notification LED.
After that, I'll get GPS working (not hard) then rear camera.
Things that'll probably not happen in CM7 for a while:
Front camera
4G Voice
4G Data
Anything to do with 4G will be VERY tough, since I don't have LG's kernel sources, and I'm no RIL reverse engineer... Any help in this matter is appreciated!
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So, does the release of the kernel change your thoughts on 4G? What about the issues with 3G data lag? Not pressing, just curious. I know with the release of the kernel you aren't going to have a lot of time on your hands to get sidetracked

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So, does the release of the kernel change your thoughts on 4G? What about the issues with 3G data lag? Not pressing, just curious. I know with the release of the kernel you aren't going to have a lot of time on your hands to get sidetracked
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We were on IRC before when I posted that link. He said 4G data/voice shouldn't be a problem now.
The kernel gives the information on how to communicate with the radio
Pretty much, from what I understand, all of those "not for a while" items. Are now going to be in the first build of CM7 for the REVOLUTIOnnnnn-tionn-tion-tion

nick99wj said:
We were on IRC before when I posted that link. He said 4G data/voice shouldn't be a problem now.
The kernel gives the information on how to communicate with the radio
Pretty much, from what I understand, all of those "not for a while" items. Are now going to be in the first build of CM7 for the REVOLUTIOnnnnn-tionn-tion-tion
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so did I miss LG releasing the kernal source.. or did we get it another way..?
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so just a few more clicks and I wouldn't have asked that question.. I am game try whatever you have available!

holy crap i just nutted.

mursepaolo said:
holy crap i just nutted.
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This.
Awesome!

Hey Thecubed, is there a particular reason you went with ADW Launcher as the... er... Launcher? What would keep you from using HeLauncher as the default? Any chance of getting a Samsung style launcher and icons?
And I think its almost been a week, and the phone is still running smooth. I did the stat bar cleaner, thanks MT. And the battery life is stellar.\
Thanks again. I am working overtime so I can get you a sizeable dony.

nick99wj said:
We were on IRC before when I posted that link. He said 4G data/voice shouldn't be a problem now.
The kernel gives the information on how to communicate with the radio
Pretty much, from what I understand, all of those "not for a while" items. Are now going to be in the first build of CM7 for the REVOLUTIOnnnnn-tionn-tion-tion
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Very good to hear
Fixing 3G lag will be sooo nice.

markapowell said:
Hey Thecubed, is there a particular reason you went with ADW Launcher as the... er... Launcher? What would keep you from using HeLauncher as the default? Any chance of getting a Samsung style launcher and icons?
And I think its almost been a week, and the phone is still running smooth. I did the stat bar cleaner, thanks MT. And the battery life is stellar.\
Thanks again. I am working overtime so I can get you a sizeable dony.
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The kingpins of CM7 decided to use ADW.Launcher since its dev open-sourced the launcher. It makes customizations very easy to make. You can always pull it out with TB once you've got your launcher of choice up and running.
Cubed - I was so excited when I saw this thread pop up the other day. I have my Revolution coming in the mail hopefully sometime this afternoon, and I will definitely be on the IRC once it gets in. I won it in a contest, so I won't feel bad if I end up bricking it, especially because I have an upgrade in September.
And as soon as my finances allow, I will most certainly be submitting a donation. Thank you for your support!
I will say though, I just switched to this Fascinate I'm using currently a month ago, and our CM7 code finally got merged upstream, so I'm definitely gonna miss fully-functional GB, but I'm sure you'll have it running smoothly in no time!

Totally double-posting here, but I have my phone activated and running. 4G is friggin' SWEET!
Anywho, if you need any logcats or anything at all that's within my practical ability (I'm willing to flash just about anything since I didn't pay a dime for this phone, and can do any number of logcats/dmesg you need), just let me know. I'll pop onto the IRC from time to time just to check, but if you ever need someone in a hot moment, direct message me and I'll be glad help!

any chance we will see a alpha release to test out for you? would be ballin!

RegnierD said:
The kingpins of CM7 decided to use ADW.Launcher since its dev open-sourced the launcher. It makes customizations very easy to make. You can always pull it out with TB once you've got your launcher of choice up and running.
Cubed - I was so excited when I saw this thread pop up the other day. I have my Revolution coming in the mail hopefully sometime this afternoon, and I will definitely be on the IRC once it gets in. I won it in a contest, so I won't feel bad if I end up bricking it, especially because I have an upgrade in September.
And as soon as my finances allow, I will most certainly be submitting a donation. Thank you for your support!
I will say though, I just switched to this Fascinate I'm using currently a month ago, and our CM7 code finally got merged upstream, so I'm definitely gonna miss fully-functional GB, but I'm sure you'll have it running smoothly in no time!
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I suspect another reason ADW was incorporated is because it's one of the only open source launchers. That comes without the possible legal ramifications of packaging someone elses work in your creation.

I also wouldn't mind being a testcase, if there is a use for another one.

Right now I'm reworking all the init scripts that LG has written and consolidating them into the cyanogenmod style of a single "init.bryce.rc" initscript.
As I'm doing that, I'm looking for referenced binaries and crossreferencing that list with the list of binaries that cyanogenmod builds (to see what binaries are LG-specific and what are stock Android). After I find the binaries, I am hexdumping each one to find out which libraries they import, and adding those to the cyanogenmod build directory also.
LG really really really needs to write better scripts. Their init process is all over the map, and half of the stuff in the init script isn't even for our device! It references dev platforms and other stuff that really should be trimmed before releasing to the public.
Anyway, in regards to testers, I actually have a device now (my very own device! but no service haha) so I'm able to do testing on my own for intermediate builds. When I release a milestone build (I'd consider wifi and 3d accelerator a milestone build) I'll release it via PM.
I don't want to make the test builds public because I worry that it'd cause problems with people not reading the "WARNING! THIS DOESNT WORK RIGHT!" and coming back saying they bricked their phones.
However, as soon as I have something to show, I'll make a video

Woohoo! That's exciting. I miss stable CM7 so much. It was flawlesson my trusty Incredible, just getting to stable on the Fascinate, and now being started from scratch here.
If you ever need any help, Cubed, I'm game. I would have no qualms with it. I'm available at nearly any moment and always have a computer nearby for logcats and d/kmesg dumps. Plus, I have full services 3/4G and wifi all around me at almost all times.
I'd love to be able to help the community out, even if it's only by flashing and giving error logs.
I noticed when peeking around in the system that things were a little messy too. The build.prop is kinda iffy and their lack of an organized boot animation is annoying. It's like being neat wasn't a concern at all. Seems like they were in a hurry.

RegnierD said:
Woohoo! That's exciting. I miss stable CM7 so much. It was flawlesson my trusty Incredible, just getting to stable on the Fascinate, and now being started from scratch here.
If you ever need any help, Cubed, I'm game. I would have no qualms with it. I'm available at nearly any moment and always have a computer nearby for logcats and d/kmesg dumps. Plus, I have full services 3/4G and wifi all around me at almost all times.
I'd love to be able to help the community out, even if it's only by flashing and giving error logs.
I noticed when peeking around in the system that things were a little messy too. The build.prop is kinda iffy and their lack of an organized boot animation is annoying. It's like being neat wasn't a concern at all. Seems like they were in a hurry.
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I will need people to test the 3G/4G service once I get the radios initialized, since I only have the phone and no service
Right now I'm still sorting through the binaries and libraries trying to get at a bare minimum wifi and 3d acceleration working.

The future of the Dell Streak 7

Okay, I wanted to take a moment to talk about the development for our device.
Recently CM decided to no longer support Tegra 2 devices as they are starting to get dated. So basically that boils down to the fact that the CM10.1 will be the last one for our device that I do.
Currently I'm trying to jump start the process of putting out our updated kernel from 2.6.36.4 -> 3.1. This will hopefully put our device at a point where everything should work.
DerArtem is the lead developer on the kernel, but has been busy because he just got married and works a full time job, which puts a damper on his time (which is understandable).
I am putting in an 1-2 hours every morning on this, trying to fix those bugs and was just tipped on a possible way to minimize the overload of the log with the USB error. This will be a hold off till we get the kernel done as these issues should go away after the update.
I am sad to see this tablet come to an end (though not yet). We all have to admit that its time we all start moving on. I am going to push to get these last bit done and call it quits. This can take anywhere from 2-5 months to finish up, maybe a bit longer and then our device will be done.
I have had an amazing time learning about Android under DJ_Steve and DerArtem, and thank them for taking the time to teach me.

I thank you what you done so far and in the future. Can blame you one bit for your decisions.

I think setting an "end game" is respectable, and is a good goal. The kernel work is the key to smoothing things over on what has been wonderful development thus far.
The fact you've taken us this far sir is very commendable and you and the crew deserve many thanks. For your time and efforts, you have my gratitude, and my tablet serves as a hobby rather than a shelved device.
4.2.x has been flawed since release by Google, and with the way android has evolved, future versions will undoubtedly require more current hardware and OEM support. The latest tablet releases have as much computing power as a 2 year old laptop! Thanks to you, we've managed to play with JB, and I look forward to what comes before a final release.:thumbup:
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Wow, I hate doing this, but I may have to close up shop on all this. Severe lack of any real work is getting done as I am looking for jobs and trying to have some game time as well.
The time to do this isn't worth it. I may ask for payments for my next ROM ($1 per download). Seriously, I hate doing it but this just isn't worth it anymore. Currently working on a AOKP release, to see if this may resolve any bugs I am having.

Hi giveen,
first of all thank you for all the time you spent on our old device. I already donated you some time ago and always had an eye on your progesses. I really understand your decision to ask for some payment for all the work and that is absolutely ok for me.
I use my DS7 (wifi only) on a daily base to check my mails, surf the net and stream some TV and video from my HTPC. Until now I use a HC 3.2 mod (514 mod by dreamer) together with V6 Supercharger script and am so far quite ok with that. So far I see no need to buy me a new tablet as long as the DS7 fits my few needs
But before I collect all my courage and update my DS7 in the near future to your CM10 build I want to ask a few things:
1. Is your build already stable and usable enough for the things I do with my device?
2. Any news from DerArtem about the kernel work? Will there be a new kernel for our device in the future?
THX,
Michael

Montezuma10 said:
Hi giveen,
first of all thank you for all the time you spent on our old device. I already donated you some time ago and always had an eye on your progesses. I really understand your decision to ask for some payment for all the work and that is absolutely ok for me.
I use my DS7 (wifi only) on a daily base to check my mails, surf the net and stream some TV and video from my HTPC. Until now I use a HC 3.2 mod (514 mod by dreamer) together with V6 Supercharger script and am so far quite ok with that. So far I see no need to buy me a new tablet as long as the DS7 fits my few needs
But before I collect all my courage and update my DS7 in the near future to your CM10 build I want to ask a few things:
1. Is your build already stable and usable enough for the things I do with my device?
2. Any news from DerArtem about the kernel work? Will there be a new kernel for our device in the future?
THX,
Michael
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If its from your HTPC, I honestly don't know as I have never tried it before. This latest build is much more stable, though it still has the gmail keyboard crash that I am tracking down. If you are happy with what you have, don't do anything. I would hate for you to make a purchase and not be happy.
I haven't heard from DerArtem in several weeks because he is in another country (Russia) doing a job. (He lives in Germany). To be honest, I don't think a new kernel is going to happen and I'm really upset by it.

giveen said:
If its from your HTPC, I honestly don't know as I have never tried it before. This latest build is much more stable, though it still has the gmail keyboard crash that I am tracking down. If you are happy with what you have, don't do anything. I would hate for you to make a purchase and not be happy.
I haven't heard from DerArtem in several weeks because he is in another country (Russia) doing a job. (He lives in Germany). To be honest, I don't think a new kernel is going to happen and I'm really upset by it.
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One issue I see here is that when you start charging, a person paying for it like a app from the Play Store, they expect things to work. This "might" cause you to spend more time than you have been on it. Just my $0.02!
Didn't somebody donate an unused DS7 for DerArtem for this kernel project?

wptski said:
One issue I see here is that when you start charging, a person paying for it like a app from the Play Store, they expect things to work. This "might" cause you to spend more time than you have been on it. Just my $0.02!
Didn't somebody donate an unused DS7 for DerArtem for this kernel project?
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They can contact me if they are having an issue. I appreciate the concern though.
Yes, someone did give their DS7 to him.

giveen said:
They can contact me if they are having an issue. I appreciate the concern though.
Yes, someone did give their DS7 to him.
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I'll be downloading it later after some usage and a charge.

I'm working on sensors now. The old sensor drivers we used were for something we dont even have. I found the correct Android drivers but they are for qualcomm devices, so I need to modify them to work.

giveen said:
I'm working on sensors now. The old sensor drivers we used were for something we dont even have. I found the correct Android drivers but they are for qualcomm devices, so I need to modify them to work.
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after several attempts and research I was still not the sound from my headphones with android android 2 and 3 sound going normally but not with 4.2.1 and 4.2.2.

Are all ROMS less than perfect by nature?

First off, let me preface this by saying that I appreciate all of the hard work and time by the devs/volunteers here, and they give us some pretty cool things.
It just seems that no matter what rom I try, it has a bug or 2 that may not keep me from enjoying my phone, but it keeps creeping. Even the so-called stable KK still has growing pains. Is it possible for a rom to be completely stable? (aka, at least as stable as stock) Or is the nature of roms always going to be a bit behind from a standpoint of stability?
I have yet to try a rom (been doing this for 3 yrs) that has been 100% (stock) stable. I can use most roms just fine though, and again, this is not a slight on the devs and those who work hard. But let's be honest, an already flawed Lollipop must be a pain to get make a custom rom from. Am I alone? Btw, I'm back on stock for now, as it works fine. But will be waiting patiently for the awesome devs to figure it out. (and yes, I realize there must be testing for things to get better)

This is why I'm done with custom ROMs. I get all I need from stock KK + Xposed. Haven't flashed a ROM (as a daily driver) in almost 2 years.

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This is why I'm done with custom ROMs. I get all I need from stock KK + Xposed. Haven't flashed a ROM (as a daily driver) in almost 2 years.
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Ahhh, Metalhead. I like the name, as it's my mantra for the last 40 yrs. Anyway, you seem bitter about it, as other things.
I'm just trying to get some real feedback about how people feel. Thanks Metal, noted.

It's not soo much the roms. Stock lollipop is bugged from Google as it's relatively new so hasn't had everything ironed out yet like the older KK

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First off, let me preface this by saying that I appreciate all of the hard work and time by the devs/volunteers here, and they give us some pretty cool things.
It just seems that no matter what rom I try, it has a bug or 2 that may not keep me from enjoying my phone, but it keeps creeping. Even the so-called stable KK still has growing pains. Is it possible for a rom to be completely stable? (aka, at least as stable as stock) Or is the nature of roms always going to be a bit behind from a standpoint of stability?
I have yet to try a rom (been doing this for 3 yrs) that has been 100% (stock) stable. I can use most roms just fine though, and again, this is not a slight on the devs and those who work hard. But let's be honest, an already flawed Lollipop must be a pain to get make a custom rom from. Am I alone? Btw, I'm back on stock for now, as it works fine. But will be waiting patiently for the awesome devs to figure it out. (and yes, I realize there must be testing for things to get better)
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imo yeah. tis why I went back to stock 4.4.4 and GravityBox. No issues since then. None. Zero. Roms not worth fiddling with IMO. too many bugs trying to figure out if it's the app, the kernel, the ROM...I will do custom kernels but...no more than that.

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It's not soo much the roms. Stock lollipop is bugged from Google as it's relatively new so hasn't had everything ironed out yet like the older KK
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Good point.

I think its all in what type of bugs you get. I've seen bugs even on stock roms, custom roms give you those options where stock falls short. I do however think Xposed is a good way to possibly fix some of those issues
Sent from my Nexus 5

4 stock updates from Google within 3-4 months (and we still expect bugs...). How could we have 100% stable custom roms?
Anyways custom roms are stable enough to enjoy my phone and it's way better than stock

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Ahhh, Metalhead. I like the name, as it's my mantra for the last 40 yrs. Anyway, you seem bitter about it, as other things.
I'm just trying to get some real feedback about how people feel. Thanks Metal, noted.
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I'm not bitter about it lol, just got tired of flashing new ROMs all the time. It's nothing against the devs, they do some really great work, I just now prefer the dependability of stock. It was the original Moto X that changed my habits.

It's software, by definition it will have bugs.
The question is whether or not you can live with a particular ROM's set of unique bugs.
I've been running an old (Oct. 2014) CM11 nightly because it mostly gives me what I want without undue grief (weird reboots, battery drain, etc).
It's far from perfect, it won't play nice 100% with my car head end just to list one thing (BT bug, seems to be fixed in CM12).
I play around with other ROMs using MultiROM, but always come back to the old CM11.
I'm quite happy there is such an assortment to try, imagine how unhappy you would be if there was only one and it had a major (in your opinion) bug.

I don't think it's possible to get rid of all bugs ever. Its an os that is working with constantly changing apps and devices. But, I use cataclysm as my dd with elementalx and I don't notice any bugs. Im sure they are there, they just don't affect me with my particular usage.

wolfen69 said:
Ahhh, Metalhead. I like the name, as it's my mantra for the last 40 yrs. Anyway, you seem bitter about it, as other things.
I'm just trying to get some real feedback about how people feel. Thanks Metal, noted.
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I'm totally agree with @_MetalHead_. I've came to Nexus, because I was tired to flash my Xperias with custom ROMs an CMs., thought I still think that Sonys hardware is supperior than the LG and Acer one.
Sure that all of custom ROMs have bug or two. But that is because Google have all bunch off developers that are fully employed to make stock android. You are aware, that custom ROMs here are made by individuals or small group enthusiasts. And that is. As man grows, he more and more prefer bitter chocolate than the sweet one. Sweet one is for children. And offcourse, we both enjoy.

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I'm totally agree with @_MetalHead_. I've came to Nexus, because I was tired to flash my Xperias with custom ROMs an CMs., thought I still think that Sonys hardware is supperior than the LG and Acer one.
Sure that all of custom ROMs have bug or two. But that is because Google have all bunch off developers that are fully employed to make stock android. You should be aware, that custom ROMs here are made by individuals or small group enthusiasts. And that is. As man grows, he more and more prefer bitter chocolate than the sweet one. Sweet one is for children. And offcourse, we both enjoy.
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That's funny, I used to hate dark chocolate as a kid and now I prefer it.

They all have bugs. Every ROM I've used stock or custom has had bugs. Though staying stock or staying with the stable builds by the big name teams yielded the most stable experience for me. If someone flashes weeklies/nightlies and does not expect a bug or two they're doing it wrong. Main thing is finding something you as a user can live with.

It's funny that I just opened XDA 5 minutes ago to search for people's opinions about completely stable custom roms and I immediately came across this thread. I guess I will keep my phone stock and try Xposed for the first time when it's available.
I was done with flashing and experimenting with my Galaxy S2 a while ago after I realized there wasn't a perfect rom. But it's tempting though now I have a Nexus phone..
Send from the Matrix

I wondered about this, reading about what devs have deal with what googles supplies over time.
I tried Cataclysm lollipop and that's really close to being a solid rom but the bugs from google really make it frustrating to use as a daily rom, poor ram management and lockups, the inabilty to multi task without redrawing.
from a consumers point of view you expect lollipop to be an improvement over kitkat,
Switched back to kitkat and didn't realised how good and battery friendly It is.
This is why I stayed with nexus,the closet thing to a stable phone, will wait for 5.1 before I update.

Yes they are. In the lollipop updates on unofficial cm roms I'm still getting camera bug and the voip bug where I can't be heard on a headset. They appear after a few hours to weeks. Happend on a nighty today so Sent logcat in. Lollipop shouldn't have been released in the mess it's in. It's laughable that a couple of pple cherry picking from roms will do anything other than incorporate the bugs. There is a Golden rule here # devs can do no wrong and you can't put them down# cherry pickers are not developing anything imo. They merge others work, sometimes producing a better rom than the original, granted, but fixing problems. They have no idea 90%of the time. 10%are more skilled. But if google with hundreds of coders can't get it right what chance have independent roms? Look at the official lollipop CM. Still on nightlys and will be when 5.1 comes.
I run roms until a bug crops in and won't go which breaks something I need. Them on to the next. Bigsys?? K K roms were the closest to perfection. Fast and fluid.
Kernels is another thing, for another day..

While they may be less than perfect, from what I've been reading the Nexus 5 may be skipping 5.1 and going directly to 5.2
Sent from my Nexus 5

People are less than perfect by nature so that being said ,art imitates life as.
well as android 5.0 and above

From my point of view, even the stock ROM has its own flaws and sometimes it gets resolved a few revisions/versions later. On a custom ROM, it tends to be resolved pretty quickly provided the developer is actively monitoring user feedback and supporting it.
I'll usually only look for custom ROMs which focuses on staying as stock as possible while improving its speed and stability, I'll try to stay away from ROMs that offers a lot of other additional features which may or may not break another thing or two.