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I have lock set up for pin as I am using my android wear device as a trusted device, so it gets bypassed when my watch is near.
When I have to reboot/power on phone, the boot animation starts and then will ask for my pin. Once the pin is entered the boot animation starts again and completes the start up to lock screen. Does anyone know a way to disable that initial pin? It's pretty annoying... especially if having to do a reboot have changes take effect etc.
Edit: nevermind. I disabled my pin and then re-enabled and now I see the option to have a pin at start up or not.
It turns out that you can turn off PIN on boot but it's enabled by default and it's not obvious how to do it. You have to turn off the PIN (set your security type to None), then re-enable a PIN. At that point it will ask you if you want a PIN on boot or not.
[email protected] said:
It turns out that you can turn off PIN on boot but it's enabled by default and it's not obvious how to do it. You have to turn off the PIN (set your security type to None), then re-enable a PIN. At that point it will ask you if you want a PIN on boot or not.
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Interesting, I never knew this.
Actually you dont need to remove it then re-do it again
just setting>security>screen lock> type PIN> PIN
then you will see Secure start-up ( Require PIN to start device/ No Thank you)
Thanks, couldn't figure it out on Nexus 6P. All good now.
[email protected] said:
Actually you dont need to remove it then re-do it again
just setting>security>screen lock> type PIN> PIN
then you will see Secure start-up ( Require PIN to start device/ No Thank you)
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Thanks!!!! I have the G5 and was googling this very same issue!
Pressing the pin option, as to select it (whether you have it set up already or not) will present that toggle. Many thanks again.
jasonftfw said:
I have lock set up for pin as I am using my android wear device as a trusted device, so it gets bypassed when my watch is near.
When I have to reboot/power on phone, the boot animation starts and then will ask for my pin. Once the pin is entered the boot animation starts again and completes the start up to lock screen. Does anyone know a way to disable that initial pin? It's pretty annoying... especially if having to do a reboot have changes take effect etc.
Edit: nevermind. I disabled my pin and then re-enabled and now I see the option to have a pin at start up or not.
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Guess what? You no longer have encryption worth anything. Your data is protected only by password "default_password". If you have TWRP you can verify for yourself.... you can access and read all your files without ever once entering your pin.
More details here
https://www.reddit.com/r/Nexus6P/comments/47uj5r/twrp_is_decrypting_my_encrypted_data_partition/
The bottom line: if you want the security benefits of encrypted data, you need to enable pin on boot.
i disabled "require password to start device" because if my phone gets lost and runs out of battery and the finders charge it up again and thus Android boots up again, i want my lock screen to be visible so they can see my email to contact me to return it. also - i want to be able to call the phone if lost. this "lost phone" scenario greatly outweighs my need for greater security beyond the normal lockscreen password protection.
Nexus 6P + AT&T GoPhone
Gekko2 said:
i disabled "require password to start device" because if my phone gets lost and runs out of battery and the finders charge it up again and thus Android boots up again, i want my lock screen to be visible so they can see my email to contact me to return it. also - i want to be able to call the phone if lost. this "lost phone" scenario greatly outweighs my need for greater security beyond the normal lockscreen password protection.
Nexus 6P + AT&T GoPhone
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Your lock screen message is shown when prompted for the password to start the device. No need to disable security for that reason...
Didgeridoohan said:
Your lock screen message is shown when prompted for the password to start the device. No need to disable security for that reason...
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i stand corrected!
Didgeridoohan said:
Your lock screen message is shown when prompted for the password to start the device. No need to disable security for that reason...
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BUT i still want to be able to CALL my phone if LOST and phone calls will not work if set as "require password to start device" upon reboot. hence - i still disabled for that reason.
Gekko2 said:
BUT i still want to be able to CALL my phone if LOST and phone calls will not work if set as "require password to start device" upon reboot. hence - i still disabled for that reason.
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Ok, fair enough. I consider my data more valuable than the phone though, so I keep it enabled for that reason.
Didgeridoohan said:
Your lock screen message is shown when prompted for the password to start the device. No need to disable security for that reason...
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Didgeridoohan said:
Ok, fair enough. I consider my data more valuable than the phone though, so I keep it enabled for that reason.
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my sensitive data is all encrypted in an MS Word 2013 Encrypted Password Protected Document within a password protected Dropbox App with a password protected Phone. they have to get through 3 heavy layers to get to my sensitive data.
also - don't forget about "Find My Phone" with Android Device Manager and Lookout. both would be not work if "require password to start device" upon reboot.
Gekko2 said:
my sensitive data is all encrypted in an MS Word 2013 Encrypted Password Protected Document within a password protected Dropbox App with a password protected Phone. they have to get through 3 heavy layers to get to my sensitive data.
also - don't forget about "Find My Phone" with Android Device Manager and Lookout. both would be not work if "require password to start device" upon reboot.
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I know it's an older post, but I had to reply on this.
You see "3 heavy layers". I see 0 security layers.
First of all, a password protected phone doesn't stop anyone to hook up your phone to a computer and extract all the data they want from your partitions with adb commands. There goes the "1st layer".
Secondly, a password protected Dropbox app doesn't mean anything if you already downloaded the files on your phone. See the above. You have to download if you want to view and edit the document you mentioned. It will only protect your online data. Here goes your "2nd layer"
And the last one, a password protected Word document? Really? Brute forcing tools are wide avaible to crack Office documents. Security is a joke on this one. There goes your "3rd layer".
Anyhow I do share the same thought with you to let the phone boot into Android in order to call and track a lost phone. But only because I use Cerberus which survives factory resets. Most thieves are not knowledgeable in my opinion, so chances are high I could keep tracking my phone. Anyone who has the knowledge can re-format the phone anyway, so just hoping on the first category petty thieves
Wavealot said:
I know it's an older post, but I had to reply on this.
You see "3 heavy layers". I see 0 security layers.
First of all, a password protected phone doesn't stop anyone to hook up your phone to a computer and extract all the data they want from your partitions with adb commands. There goes the "1st layer".
Secondly, a password protected Dropbox app doesn't mean anything if you already downloaded the files on your phone. See the above. You have to download if you want to view and edit the document you mentioned. It will only protect your online data. Here goes your "2nd layer"
And the last one, a password protected Word document? Really? Brute forcing tools are wide avaible to crack Office documents. Security is a joke on this one. There goes your "3rd layer".
Anyhow I do share the same thought with you to let the phone boot into Android in order to call and track a lost phone. But only because I use Cerberus which survives factory resets. Most thieves are not knowledgeable in my opinion, so chances are high I could keep tracking my phone. Anyone who has the knowledge can re-format the phone anyway, so just hoping on the first category petty thieves
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You would be amazed at how well that doesn't work. The first steps when stealing a phone is to remove the sim card which makes all teaching apps useless. Then it is a full format and wipe of the device while loading a new os, then depending on the store that bought it they will also change the IMEI of the device.
When someone steals your phone, your info is the last thing they want. It's the device it's self.
[email protected] said:
Actually you dont need to remove it then re-do it again
just setting>security>screen lock> type PIN> PIN
then you will see Secure start-up ( Require PIN to start device/ No Thank you)
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I tried this on my Nexus 6p, but it still asks for pin when rebooting. Do you know of any other way to get this removed?
correct fix
Your battery must be at 80% or more and on charger. Enable password lock and check no thanks then using 5 letters and 1 number enter a password. Then scroll down to trust agent and turn off the agents. Now goto lock screen and disable everything by clicking non. Reboot device.
thank uuuuuuuu
[email protected] said:
It turns out that you can turn off PIN on boot but it's enabled by default and it's not obvious how to do it. You have to turn off the PIN (set your security type to None), then re-enable a PIN. At that point it will ask you if you want a PIN on boot or not.
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Thanks, It's worked for me ^_^
I restarted my phone and now it says secure restart. It doesn't give me a pin pad so when I do type the numbers it dont work. How do I get past the secure startup if my lock screen password don't even work?
Need help for my sister said:
I restarted my phone and now it says secure restart. It doesn't give me a pin pad so when I do type the numbers it dont work. How do I get past the secure startup if my lock screen password don't even work?
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Please post a photo so we can see what's happening.
I am using fingerprint sensor for unlocking P10 phone, but every three days I have to unlock the phone with pin.
Can I somehow extend this period of three days or do not use pin security at all?
kriticar said:
I am using fingerprint sensor for unlocking P10 phone, but every three days I have to unlock the phone with pin.
Can I somehow extend this period of three days or do not use pin security at all?
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I got no problems.
DwieDaniel95 said:
I got no problems.
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That's strange, cause the 3 days asking for PIN is part of EMUI.
And for OP, no currently you can not change it.
kriticar said:
I am using fingerprint sensor for unlocking P10 phone, but every three days I have to unlock the phone with pin.
Can I somehow extend this period of three days or do not use pin security at all?
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I am not facing this problem at all. Maybe i did unlock my phone with pin unintentionally within three days
It works until the third day. After I unlock the phone the third day, everything is OK for next three days. There must be an option to regulate this feature.
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I got the same problem, it shocked me the first time I saw it but after a while I already get used to it. As long as I never rebooted my phone for 3 days, it will start asking for PIN but only once which I think I can still accept this.
For me it is quite stupid feature. ?
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I also try to disable on honor 8 but i have not found anything, this option is really annoying and useless...
Saving 3 seconds of your life on every three days is saving your life [emoji41]
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Its a built in feature so that user don't forget the password.
I have a long pin , I already find it annoying to have to enter it after a restart. But now every 3 days is just f retarded.... Instead of extra security now I'm thinking of removing it or shortening it.... Desired effect huh....
What a f. stupid feature. ...Especially that it appears suddenly, without warning. ...for example when you're in hurry and need to quickly unlock your phone. ...and then you realize that you have ~20 letters password, and only one hand available... FUU.....^%$#$#!!!11oneone
I ended up disabling fingerprint lock and every other lock all together because this was so annoying, well done Huawei now in order to be convenient my phone is LESS secure, PLEASE reverse this in the next update or my next phone will be by a different manufacturer, the fingerprint lock was and IS good enough on its own without this annoyance.
I'm not sure how this is so annoying for people really. Change it to a 4 digit pin if you have a stupidly long password. It is just an additional layer of security.
mgolder said:
I'm not sure how this is so annoying for people really. Change it to a 4 digit pin if you have a stupidly long password. It is just an additional layer of security.
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Because it is, just because is isn't for you doesn't mean we should all accept that it must be fine then, because YOU think it's ok, it's not ok for some of us and we should at least have the option to disable it and not have it forced upon us.
I bought a new G6 (unlocked) for my sister, who lives in another state. She activated the new phone last night (Mint Mobile). When she got to the screen asking for entry of a password to protect against unauthorized use she entered a complex password (she didn't know she could just skip that screen). She wrote the password down, but now she can't find it. I called her this morning and she was able to use the fingerprint scanner to open the phone enough to answer my call, but she can't get to her apps.
I am aware that this sounds a little "fishy", but I didn't know where else to turn. Is there any way to reset or remove that password? Any help will be appreciated.
Thanks, Jerry
geronimo52xx said:
I bought a new G6 (unlocked) for my sister, who lives in another state. She activated the new phone last night (Mint Mobile). When she got to the screen asking for entry of a password to protect against unauthorized use she entered a complex password (she didn't know she could just skip that screen). She wrote the password down, but now she can't find it. I called her this morning and she was able to use the fingerprint scanner to open the phone enough to answer my call, but she can't get to her apps.
I am aware that this sounds a little "fishy", but I didn't know where else to turn. Is there any way to reset or remove that password? Any help will be appreciated.
Thanks, Jerry
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She can boot to recovery and reset the whole phone, the only option if bootloader is locked.
Got to wipe the phone and start over. tell her to make sure next time it's a simple password because she's going to have to use it every time to unlock the device if she has a screen lock set to password. even if it's set to fingerprint you have to enter the password anytime you reboot the device to unlock it the first time.
It's there to prevent unauthorized use so no there's no way around it. Except for factory resetting. even then make sure she logs in with the same Google account because she probably enabled factory reset protection as well.
madbat99 said:
Got to wipe the phone and start over. tell her to make sure next time it's a simple password because she's going to have to use it every time to unlock the device if she has a screen lock set to password. even if it's set to fingerprint you have to enter the password anytime you reboot the device to unlock it the first time.
It's there to prevent unauthorized use so no there's no way around it. Except for factory resetting. even then make sure she logs in with the same Google account because she probably enabled factory reset protection as well.
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Thanks for the suggestions. I walked her through the factory reset procedure, but when she tried to set up the phone and entered her Google credentials the phone said "searching" and wouldn't go past that screen. She finally called Motorola and they said if I could send proof of purchase she could forward it to them and, if approved, they will ask her to send them the phone and they will send her another new phone. She is still waiting,
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Thanks for the suggestions. I walked her through the factory reset procedure, but when she tried to set up the phone and entered her Google credentials the phone said "searching" and wouldn't go past that screen. She finally called Motorola and they said if I could send proof of purchase she could forward it to them and, if approved, they will ask her to send them the phone and they will send her another new phone. She is still waiting,
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That's a bummer. They should send another one though. It's covered since you didn't unlock the bootloader.
How long does the lockscreen password need to be? I always used a 4 digit password but seems like I had to pick a longer one and I can't for the life of me remember it.
From what I've read, a factory reset is my only way in without the password. Anyone know some magic that I don't?
s_wall98 said:
How long does the lockscreen password need to be? I always used a 4 digit password but seems like I had to pick a longer one and I can't for the life of me remember it.
From what I've read, a factory reset is my only way in without the password. Anyone know some magic that I don't?
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Not that I know as I never put passwords on my phone
omg.
my friend just seen my pattern when i unlocked my phone so i decided to change my pattern (it had been a real long time since i changed it anyway) so i did it.
i cant remember what i changed it to.
i actually changed it 2x but the first pattern i thought was too easy so i changed it again.
i didnt make it any harder as in more dots to complete the pattern but hard enough i dont remember it.
im on a s21 ultra of course.
is there a limit on how many failed attempts i can do?
so far i think im under 10 but it does make me wait 30secs alot.
if there is an unlimited amount i think i will guess it but if there is a finite i dont want to mess it up and do a factory reset or erase.
i have alot of my grandbabies pics and videos on there.
if there is a way to bypass it please tell me.
i know my google acct on computer etc... thats not a problem and that is the same acct on my phone.
en11gma said:
omg.
my friend just seen my pattern when i unlocked my phone so i decided to change my pattern (it had been a real long time since i changed it anyway) so i did it.
i cant remember what i changed it to.
i actually changed it 2x but the first pattern i thought was too easy so i changed it again.
i didnt make it any harder as in more dots to complete the pattern but hard enough i dont remember it.
im on a s21 ultra of course.
is there a limit on how many failed attempts i can do?
so far i think im under 10 but it does make me wait 30secs alot.
if there is an unlimited amount i think i will guess it but if there is a finite i dont want to mess it up and do a factory reset or erase.
i have alot of my grandbabies pics and videos on there.
if there is a way to bypass it please tell me.
i know my google acct on computer etc... thats not a problem and that is the same acct on my phone.
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Do you have a Samsung account on it?
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Do you have a Samsung account on it?
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i not sure. i think i might have but i think i deleted it but it keeps asking me to same my passwords to samsung and i keep hitting never.
unless you have an unlocked bootloader I don't know that there's anything that can be done. I would just get them all wrong at this point and see if it let's you reset it with a good account. If you BL is unlocked you could boot into a custom recovery and wipe the security file.
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i not sure. i think i might have but i think i deleted it but it keeps asking me to same my passwords to samsung and i keep hitting never.
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Can only be done if you have find my device enabled and have an active internet connection in the phone tho
Step 1. Open the internet browser on your notebook and input the following website
address: https://findmymobile.samsung.com, click on the Sign in button and input your login credentials of your Samsung account, then click on Sign in button once more.
image to login to find my mobile web page
Step 2. The mobile device registered under your Samsung account will appear on the right-side of the screen. If you have multiple devices registered under the same Samsung account, make sure you select the device that needs to be remotely unlocked. Refer to the image below and click on the Unlock icon to unlock your device.
image after login to find my mobile web page
Step 3. Once you click on Unlock, a pop-up window will appear asking to verify the password of your Samsung account. After you input your password, click on the NEXT button, the pop-up window will automatically close and another pop-up window will appear with the result of remotely unlocking your device
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unless you have an unlocked bootloader I don't know that there's anything that can be done. I would just get them all wrong at this point and see if it let's you reset it with a good account. If you BL is unlocked you could boot into a custom recovery and wipe the security file.
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i just logged into my samsung account and it says i have no linked devices.
grrrr
is there a limit before it factory reset my phone
Kenora_I said:
Can only be done if you have find my device enabled and have an active internet connection in the phone tho
Step 1. Open the internet browser on your notebook and input the following website
address: https://findmymobile.samsung.com, click on the Sign in button and input your login credentials of your Samsung account, then click on Sign in button once more.
image to login to find my mobile web page
Step 2. The mobile device registered under your Samsung account will appear on the right-side of the screen. If you have multiple devices registered under the same Samsung account, make sure you select the device that needs to be remotely unlocked. Refer to the image below and click on the Unlock icon to unlock your device.
image after login to find my mobile web page
Step 3. Once you click on Unlock, a pop-up window will appear asking to verify the password of your Samsung account. After you input your password, click on the NEXT button, the pop-up window will automatically close and another pop-up window will appear with the result of remotely unlocking your device
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i have 4 devices in there but not the one im using. crap!
do i have unlimited failed attempts on the pattern unlock?
en11gma said:
i just logged into my samsung account and it says i have no linked devices.
grrrr
is there a limit before it factory reset my phone
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Well, at this point you probably need to reset the phone, as you didn't link your Samsung account.
There actually isn't any way to recover the data Unless you can guess the pattern again.
I don't know if Samsung themselves would unlock the phone if you took it to the support center providing proof that you own the phone, but that could get your data back idk
In my opinion it is worth a try in this case
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Well, at this point you probably need to reset the phone, as you didn't link your Samsung account.
There actually isn't any way to recover the data Unless you can guess the pattern again.
I don't know if Samsung themselves would unlock the phone if you took it to the support center providing proof that you own the phone, but that could get your data back idk
In my opinion it is worth a try in this case
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do i have unlimited tries on the pattern unlock or will it erase my data after so many failed attempts?
en11gma said:
do i have unlimited tries on the pattern unlock or will it erase my data after so many failed attempts?
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Depends if you had that option enabled in settings, by default it is disabled
en11gma said:
omg.
my friend just seen my pattern when i unlocked my phone so i decided to change my pattern (it had been a real long time since i changed it anyway) so i did it.
i cant remember what i changed it to.
i actually changed it 2x but the first pattern i thought was too easy so i changed it again.
i didnt make it any harder as in more dots to complete the pattern but hard enough i dont remember it.
im on a s21 ultra of course.
is there a limit on how many failed attempts i can do?
so far i think im under 10 but it does make me wait 30secs alot.
if there is an unlimited amount i think i will guess it but if there is a finite i dont want to mess it up and do a factory reset or erase.
i have alot of my grandbabies pics and videos on there.
if there is a way to bypass it please tell me.
i know my google acct on computer etc... thats not a problem and that is the same acct on my phone.
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Your only solution is too wipe your phone. So take better care next time and chalk this one up to experience
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Your only solution is too wipe your phone. So take better care next time and chalk this one up to experience
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Samsung might unlock it at their support centers yknow if they have proof of ownership
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Depends if you had that option enabled in settings, by default it is disabled
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so how many failed attempts do i get?
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so how many failed attempts do i get?
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Probably 3 then a waiting time, but it's probably more easier to take it to Samsung and get them to unlock it for you, since you own the phone they can do it.
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Samsung might unlock it at their support centers…..
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Yea I wouldn’t hold my breath on that happening but good luck
Kenora_I said:
Probably 3 then a waiting time, but it's probably more easier to take it to Samsung and get them to unlock it for you, since you own the phone they can do it.
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i live in the country. i dont think there is a samsung store even in my state. im in iowa in usa
Samsung can't unlock it... pretty sure.
Once you set a lock screen the security is very good, too good. Sleep on it to see if the pattern comes to you... you still remember it.
That failing, suck it up. It may have not been your fault at all, see below.
I never set a screen lock, 2x tap on/off.
Never set a a bios password.
And most importantly never encrypt data backup hdds, etc.
You are the one most likely to get locked out... lesson learned the hard way.
A firmware failure, or external forces beyond your control (high energy particles of cosmic origin can do it*) can put you in a no win situation once you set an eccess password. While if you hadn't you likely wouldn't be locked out. I had a laptop bios lock me out, the password was simple a simple "S" even years latter I remember it... but the bios doesn't!
*this isn't a joke. Flying or being at higher elevations increases the risk. While it is slight when under the protection of the ionosphere it's still a random failure factor. One high energy particle can change the value of a flash memory cell without damaging it. The data however is corrupted unless redundantly backup which is one reason why spacecraft use at least 3 redundant computers.
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Samsung can't unlock it... pretty sure.
Once you set a lock screen the security is very good, too good. Sleep on it to see if the pattern comes to you... you still remember it.
That failing, suck it up. It may have not been your fault at all, see below.
I never set a screen lock, 2x tap on/off.
Never set a a bios password.
And most importantly never encrypt data backup hdds, etc.
You are the one most likely to get locked out... lesson learned the hard way.
A firmware failure, or external forces beyond your control (high energy particles of cosmic origin can do it*) can put you in a no win situation once you set an eccess password. While if you hadn't you likely wouldn't be locked out. I had a laptop bios lock me out, the password was simple a simple "S" even years latter I remember it... but the bios doesn't!
*this isn't a joke. Flying or being at higher elevations increases the risk. While it is slight when under the protection of the ionosphere it's still a random failure factor. One high energy particle can change the value of a flash memory cell without damaging it. The data however is corrupted unless redundantly backup which is one reason why spacecraft use at least 3 redundant computers.
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omg wut ._.
Even if u hard reset, u will be asked to input your Samsung account and password, anf even with out knowing the pattern you have the option of putting in your PIN.
If you don't know your own PIN code then, something Is wrong!
death365 said:
Even if u hard reset, u will be asked to input your Samsung account and password, anf even with out knowing the pattern you have the option of putting in your PIN.
If you don't know your own PIN code then, something Is wrong!
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It would be Google account and they said they changed their pattern and lost the combination, i also have had the same problem b4. I just used find my phone to unlock the device