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Let me start by saying I love Android. I love Google. Not only is Android an extremely powerful OS with a wonderful interface but I love the whole open ethos behind it, led by Google, the good guys.
But I just can't for the life of my understand why GPU support is not being introduced, or at least acknowledged that it's missing and it's coming.
I'm running Froyo, and whilst it may well be 500 gazillion times faster crunching numbers and performing data intensive tasks and whatever, it doesn't feel it as I use the phone next to an iphone 3gs.
Manipulating every single screen, every single swipe, window, everything including menus and web browsing just doesn't feel as good as on the iphone. Even if it is is technically faster, what good is it when the thing just doesn't feel as good? It might as well be slower, because how something feels has the bigger impact on people's perceptions.
I understand it's not as easy to accomplish as apple did it being as they only have one phone etc, but surely there's got to be some way?
Why is this issue not bigger within the Android community? Everybody knows the iphone is more fluid to use no matter how much we might want to deny it to ourselves.
It's easy to be smoother when you can't do more than one thing at a time.
Apple moves basically a wallpaper with icons, which is just a picture.
Android moves widgets and live wallpaper. Tons of CPU used for that. Turn off your live wallpaper, disable widgets - get the same scrolling as iPhone.
GPU is there and has nothing to do with it.
Search would have helped avoiding useless complaints in capital letters with tons of "?"s.
If the visuals are so important to you - get an iPhone. System limitations - there's only so much that can be done between battery life, multitasking and graphics. iPhone uses graphics at the expense of multitasking, Android does otherwise.
shrub said:
Let me start by saying I love Android. I love Google. Not only is Android an extremely powerful OS with a wonderful interface but I love the whole open ethos behind it, led by Google, the good guys.
But I just can't for the life of my understand why GPU support is not being introduced, or at least acknowledged that it's missing and it's coming.
I'm running Froyo, and whilst it may well be 500 gazillion times faster crunching numbers and performing data intensive tasks and whatever, it doesn't feel it as I use the phone next to an iphone 3gs.
Manipulating every single screen, every single swipe, window, everything including menus and web browsing just doesn't feel as good as on the iphone. Even if it is is technically faster, what good is it when the thing just doesn't feel as good? It might as well be slower, because how something feels has the bigger impact on people's perceptions.
I understand it's not as easy to accomplish as apple did it being as they only have one phone etc, but surely there's got to be some way?
Why is this issue not bigger within the Android community? Everybody knows the iphone is more fluid to use no matter how much we might want to deny it to ourselves.
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I am the most unbiased person I've ever met and I will honestly tell you that the response on my phone is as fast and smooth as I have ever seen on any phone. I don't think it can get better. I do not like the grid popping in the Nexus Launcher though. I wish it would just scroll like the old versions.
You don't have a real question in all honesty. Your question is, why is it not like the iPhone and why is it not "smooth" to you personally. That's just the way one person feels. I like the way the N1 feels across the entire OS. They're two different OS's and Phones so they're never going to be the same. I think you really just prefer one over the other in your own opinion. Neither of them can be called better outside of an opinion so nothing will change.
I will sacrifice fluidity any day for functionality.
Also, do you have any idea of what Android has come from, in the sense of versioning? I am certain that this is almost identical the iPhone OS/Hardware Saga from version 1 and up.
I have a question. Why is there so much comparison to iphone. I think android Smashes them but why post topic after topic about that... where's that one mod. He should delete this.
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I have a question. Why is there so much comparison to iphone. I think android Smashes them but why post topic after topic about that... where's that one mod. He should delete this.
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There is always a comparison of the top two of anything. Android and iPhone are very similar and they're they top devices so they're going to get compared. 99.999% of the comparisons are biased in some way but the fact is that neither of them are factually better than the other. They both have amazing features that the other doesn't and the word "better" and your decision come down to your personal preferences. I don't like iTunes, I think widgets are a MUST for me and I enjoy modding my phone without going through hell to do it or getting the cops called on me so I chose Android. Also I have been behind everything Google has done for many years and I will continue to love the company but biased attitudes are something I try to avoid. Not only do you not learn anything but you look foolish acting that way [I'm not talking about you personally I'm speaking in general].
Wow, I'm surprised to see that I'm one of the only people who completely agree with the original poster.
This isn't limited to the launcher. As the OP stated, literally every on screen motion is smoother on the iPhone.
This isn't because of the lack of multitasking on the iPhone because iOS 4 looks just as smooth.
It is either a consequence of the threading used in gui programs and/or better use of the GPU for animations and scrolling. It seems to me on my Nexus that in most cases scrolling and animations are slower when the CPU is processing something where as on an iPhone the scrolling seems smooth regardless of the processes involved.
One of my complaints along these lines is scrolling in the Android web browser isn't nearly as nice as even the slower iPhone 3G, much less an iPhone 3GS.
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Wow, I'm surprised to see that I'm one of the only people who completely agree with the original poster.
This isn't limited to the launcher. As the OP stated, literally every on screen motion is smoother on the iPhone.
This isn't because of the lack of multitasking on the iPhone because iOS 4 looks just as smooth.
It is either a consequence of the threading used in gui programs and/or better use of the GPU for animations and scrolling. It seems to me on my Nexus that in most cases scrolling and animations are slower when the CPU is processing something where as on an iPhone the scrolling seems smooth regardless of the processes involved.
One of my complaints along these lines is scrolling in the Android web browser isn't nearly as nice as even the slower iPhone 3G, much less an iPhone 3GS.
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Agreed, Ill take Android's greater capabilities over Iphone's fluidity any day but both would be sweet.
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Agreed, Ill take Android's greater capabilities over Iphone's fluidity any day but both would be sweet.
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Without a doubt. I'm just not convinced the two are mutually exclusive.
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It's easy to be smoother when you can't do more than one thing at a time.
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Once I saw this post I knew I didn't have to look at the rest of the thread since this answered it all
I disable screen animations. I have no need for worthless eye-candy. Just give me whatever I tapped on as fast as possible.
Love it.
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I disable screen animations. I have no need for worthless eye-candy. Just give me whatever I tapped on as fast as possible.
Love it.
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I either turn the animations off or turn their speed up. IMO scrolling is more of an issue than animations.
Example:
Goto www.androidcentral.com or www.anandtech.com on a Nexus One and with the page zoomed all the way out try scrolling. At the top of the page my frame rate is <15.
Now do the same on a wee iPhone(even first gen) and see how smooth the scrolling is.
Is it end of the world? No, of course not. I am very satisfied with my phone compared to my previous iPhone 3GS and 3G. That said, considering my main use of my phone(beyond being a phone) is web browsing, I would still love to have the scrolling of my "crap" iPhone.
Its a genuine complaint.
The lack of smooth visuals is getting silly. I think Google bringing in the guy from Palm/Danger is an ackowledgment of this.
Its not cpu , its not ram, its not multitasking. Its Apple that has some if not the best UI guys in the business in terms of visuals. Id say WebOS guys were the tops but they were mostly old Apple guys so go figure.
Apple spends a ton of time and offort making sure everything looks fluid across the entire experience. Android does not. Its simply not something theyve taken seriously until 2.1. They are the best engineers in the world..not GUI designers. The fact the Gallery still has 16 bit depth is a tell tale sign they arent emphasizing visuals.
Anyways the GPU is underused. UI , Games , Codecs theres a alot of room for improvement. Androids UI is "better"...but lets not kid ourselves..the animations and fluidity are heavily in Apples corner. Loks are important; otherwise go date a fat hairy girl.
I thought I was quite picky but I don't notice any problems with my nexus
Maybe I haven't spent that much time playing with iPhones but when I have seen people using them they press something and have to wait for it to load, they get a grey checker pattern when they scroll too fast in the browser. Sometimes their swipes didn't register either.
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Its a genuine complaint.
The lack of smooth visuals is getting silly. I think Google bringing in the guy from Palm/Danger is an ackowledgment of this.
Its not cpu , its not ram, its not multitasking. Its Apple that has some if not the best UI guys in the business in terms of visuals. Id say WebOS guys were the tops but they were mostly old Apple guys so go figure.
Apple spends a ton of time and offort making sure everything looks fluid across the entire experience. Android does not. Its simply not something theyve taken seriously until 2.1. They are the best engineers in the world..not GUI designers. The fact the Gallery still has 16 bit depth is a tell tale sign they arent emphasizing visuals.
Anyways the GPU is underused. UI , Games , Codecs theres a alot of room for improvement. Androids UI is "better"...but lets not kid ourselves..the animations and fluidity are heavily in Apples corner. Loks are important; otherwise go date a fat hairy girl.
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I agree with this wholeheartedly. Android really just isn't the most aesthetically pleasing user interface around, I've never owned an iPhone - and don't plan to, but Apple simply knows their stuff when it comes graphic design..
There's been some info on this issue on the android-platform groups and the skia rendering engine group (Skia acutally has an experimental OpenGL rendering branch).
From what I understand, hardware acceleration can't be implemented in older devices (ex: G1) because they only support one OpenGL instance at a time, meaning the launcher could be in conflit with apps. It also seems as if the stuttering we feel is actually caused by Android's garbage colletor because it blocks the UI thread when it kicks in and not because the phone's cpu cant keep up with scrolling. If you watched some of the Google I/O 2010 videos, they said they know of the issues with the garbage collector and they are working on it.
My guess is that hardware acceleration will come sooner or later (specially with the Tegra 2 chips and tablet format ) but if you want to make things move a bit you can always go to code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=6914 and star the issue (consider it a vote ).
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I either turn the animations off or turn their speed up. IMO scrolling is more of an issue than animations.
Example:
Goto www.androidcentral.com or www.anandtech.com on a Nexus One and with the page zoomed all the way out try scrolling. At the top of the page my frame rate is <15.
Now do the same on a wee iPhone(even first gen) and see how smooth the scrolling is.
Is it end of the world? No, of course not. I am very satisfied with my phone compared to my previous iPhone 3GS and 3G. That said, considering my main use of my phone(beyond being a phone) is web browsing, I would still love to have the scrolling of my "crap" iPhone.
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I just tested anandtech.com on my N1 using Dolphin HD and have Froyo installed. The page was pretty much butter smooth except the top which had a flash banner ad and a flash "news reel". Of course the iPhone is going to be smoother at the top of that page since it doesn't show any flash elements. Not to say I don't want smoother scrolling when there are flash elements, but I'd rather have them showing with a little choppy frame rate than not at all.
RE: GPU Support
It's a common misconception that Android is slow changing windows and stuff- just go to Spare Parts and turn the window animations off.
my nexus next to the iphone, the nexus is just as smooth and fast to my eyes. the nexus is actually buttery smooth. using launcher pro. maybe that is what makes the difference i bet.
Ive noticed i have a small fleck of dust (which i find very very irritating). Anyone else got similar? Its most likely a dust flake between the digitizer and the screen as it moves relative to the image underneath. Sure it wasnt there when i bought it.
I've had mine since November and there is no dust under my screen unlike my iPhone 3G that I cleaned only a couple of months ago!
In the daylight i can see its a very white fleck under the digitiser. Very disappointed with this tab so far, slow, buggy and badly built. Such a shame as i love my Galaxy S2.
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In the daylight i can see its a very white fleck under the digitiser. Very disappointed with this tab so far, slow, buggy and badly built. Such a shame as i love my Galaxy S2.
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Half the stuff i've seen you moan about I do not have any issue with at all.
I would suggest you stick to your phone or just go buy an ipad as nothing will keep you satisfied.
No doubt you would have lot's to moan about with them as well.
My brother has 2 ipads and I still prefer my Tab 8.9 over them.
I'm running stock with Go Launcher and no problems here from my side. It runs as I would expect it too and it is an addition to my phone and pc, not a replacement of either.
Hate to say it, but choccy31 is right. You make 8.9 appear a lot worse than it is. It's not slow or buggy, with the latest CM9 ICS it's smooth enough and without problems. It's not badly built, you having dust under the screen does not mean we all have it. If you don't like it, you can always sell it, why keep it when everything is wrong with it?
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Half the stuff i've seen you moan about I do not have any issue with at all.
I would suggest you stick to your phone or just go buy an ipad as nothing will keep you satisfied.
No doubt you would have lot's to moan about with them as well.
My brother has 2 ipads and I still prefer my Tab 8.9 over them.
I'm running stock with Go Launcher and no problems here from my side. It runs as I would expect it too and it is an addition to my phone and pc, not a replacement of either.
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I'm glad someone else agrees..
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Im sooo sorry i have upset you all, but the thing is rubbish. Its the worst Android device i have used by some way and ive used a lot. Im not the only one complaining about its speed it IS slow, fact there is no debate. Poor video that surprised me even knowing the Tegra limitations. Micro-stutter, lag, jerking. Maybe ill put up some comparison videos between the tab and the S2 and you will see what i mean. If it was cheap it wouldnt be so bad, but Sammy wanted £400 for this?? glad i didnt pay that.
I wont be getting an 'iPad' because its Apple and automatically fails, but i may well sell this on, swallow the loss and get something better. I should have gone with the Zoom, which is getting good support and is much smoother.
So go and sell it already. I dunno what Tab meets your requirements though, I guess the Transformer Prime is probably the closest you can get to the iPad in build and performance. Can't really think of any others that perform particularly better than this one, or that I can guarantee won't get dust (oh sh-------ttttt!!!!) under the screen.
its Apple and automatically fails
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Credibility = gone.
Why credibility gone? I hate the look of iOS which i think is very dull and I find Apple a horrible company. I buy Samsung to support free trade and as a protest to the way apple thinks it can limit choice by suing everyone over idiotic patents it should never have been granted.
The TF prime is better, but its not about raw power, its about optimization. There is no reason this tab needs to be so slow when the xoom isnt or even the Advent Vega!
Im going to wait for a real ICS ROM and see, by that time i may have got over the dust disappointment, but if it doesnt speed up its going.
You seem to think im asking to much for a tab to be able to actually function without stuttering, well i dont think i am. Im used to the slight Android stutter, but this is WAY beyond that. If i drag my finger slowly from screen to screen its smooth until it gets to about 40% of the way across, at which point it starts to stutter, however slowly i swipe. My S2 doesnt do that, even my Desire didnt, even my friends Wildfire doesnt and that has a 600mhz single core CPU.
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Why credibility gone? I hate the look of iOS which i think is very dull and I find Apple a horrible company. I buy Samsung to support free trade and as a protest to the way apple thinks it can limit choice by suing everyone over idiotic patents it should never have been granted.
The TF prime is better, but its not about raw power, its about optimization. There is no reason this tab needs to be so slow when the xoom isnt or even the Advent Vega!
Im going to wait for a real ICS ROM and see, by that time i may have got over the dust disappointment, but if it doesnt speed up its going.
You seem to think im asking to much for a tab to be able to actually function without stuttering, well i dont think i am. Im used to the slight Android stutter, but this is WAY beyond that. If i drag my finger slowly from screen to screen its smooth until it gets to about 40% of the way across, at which point it starts to stutter, however slowly i swipe. My S2 doesnt do that, even my Desire didnt, even my friends Wildfire doesnt and that has a 600mhz single core CPU.
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Your Desire didn't? Hmm....as for being markedly worse than the Xoom with TW removed to make the OS more equivalent the performance is the same.
In any case it's hardly fair to compare the 8.9 to the S2 when the latter runs at a lower sub-HD resolution and isn't capable of displaying multiple large widgets. The 8.9 is quite up to HD video play back but then how is that worse than the S2?
I don't think anyone is saying that it's too much to ask for it to function without stuttering but it seems most, including myself, do not see the level of problems you appear to see. The example you give of stuttering at 40% swipe, I really don't see my home screens pause for fractions of a second as I swipe between them; it continues to move smoothly all the way in line with my finger movement.
Its smooth without widgets, but not with them. The more i use, the slower it gets. My S2 is running 6 full screen scrollable widgets, its has no slow down whatsoever. Sure WVGA makes life easier, but the Galaxy note is also smooth with ICS, that is HD and has the same CPU (in most markets). Tablet widgets are no bigger than phone ones., and even if they were the Tab struggles with the same ones my S2 has no issues with, even if they are smaller!
Ive given up using widgets now and it makes the device much nicer to use, but it seems like a waste of the larger screen.
For what its worth i have no issues with gaming.
The Note and S2 will both decode full rate 1080P blu-ray files, the tegra struggles with heavily reduced rate 720P. I have a copy of 'Drive' in 720P on my Laptop, S2 and Tab, the tab stutters and pauses, the others are smooth as silk.
You seem to be forgetting that the CPU and GPU in SGS 2 are more powerful than the Tegra 2 solution. Include also that more powerful device is running on a lower resolution screen, add the a lot more optimized ICS version for SGS 2, and you can clearly see the end result.
Is 8.9 perfectly smooth at this point? No, maybe it will never be, even with official ICS. I doubt we will see the improvement with buggy TouchWiz slapped on it, but at least devs will get some good stuff from it, like camera drivers and kernel. You can just hope for the best, or sell the tablet and purchase another more powerful model, something with Tegra 3 perhaps. We all know what's wrong with this model, we don't need someone to point it out.
High profile 720p and 1080p are just not doable on Tegra 2 solutions, it was like that from the start, there is nothing we can do to make it play nice without stuttering. I do get a decent framerate with DicePlayer on 1.4 GHz with some 720p movies, but not for long, on certain scenes it just becomes choppy. It's choppiest when you start the movie, but if you leave that tablet like that, and not swipe around, it gets better and better, only to be choppy again when more demanding scene comes up.
It is a shame, great screen going to waste, but if i sell it now, i don't know what tablet i would get to replace it. Transformer Prime is not cheap, i would need to add more money to get it, but i just love the form factor on this one. It's a difficult decision, and when the Tegra 3 tablets get their prices slashed, this thing will be even harder to sell.
Im not forgetting anything. My point is that if Tegra is so bad, it should never have been used in a top end device. I only paid £279 for mine, but if i paid the full £399 launch price i would be very upset.
The TF Prime still uses Tegra, the '3' isnt much better, as far as i can see its still broken, they are just throwing more broken cores at the problem in an attempt to fix it.
Its acceptable for now, but i still dont see why it should stutter with hardware acceleration enabled.
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Its smooth without widgets, but not with them. The more i use, the slower it gets. My S2 is running 6 full screen scrollable widgets, its has no slow down whatsoever. Sure WVGA makes life easier, but the Galaxy note is also smooth with ICS, that is HD and has the same CPU (in most markets). Tablet widgets are no bigger than phone ones., and even if they were the Tab struggles with the same ones my S2 has no issues with, even if they are smaller!
Ive given up using widgets now and it makes the device much nicer to use, but it seems like a waste of the larger screen.
For what its worth i have no issues with gaming.
The Note and S2 will both decode full rate 1080P blu-ray files, the tegra struggles with heavily reduced rate 720P. I have a copy of 'Drive' in 720P on my Laptop, S2 and Tab, the tab stutters and pauses, the others are smooth as silk.
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Widgets are the same size? 1 full screen widget on the 8.9 carries over twice as much information as 1 full screen widget on the S2.
How does Dual-core 1.4 GHz ARM Cortex-A9 in the Note equate to Dual-core 1GHz Cortex-A9 in the 8.9?
As for decoding, I would say that the almost double resolution on the 8.9 vs the S2 is a factor aside from CPU difference.
You say the Note is fine and is that from your own experience?
rovex said:
Why credibility gone? I hate the look of iOS which i think is very dull and I find Apple a horrible company. I buy Samsung to support free trade and as a protest to the way apple thinks it can limit choice by suing everyone over idiotic patents it should never have been granted.
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Because it means you aren't judging something objectively... Samsung have been attempting these crazy law suits too, and they did get their name in the smartphone/tablet market by being as close to Apple as possible... TouchWiz for Android 2 is basically Android hacked to look and act more like iOS and the phones up until S2 were all designed to look like iPhone alternatives (look how the Galaxy S is the iPhone 3GS and then the Galaxy Ace is the iPhone 4...), and the people who design the devices and the legal departments are completely unrelated, it's not like each company is some dude who makes every decision.
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or even the Advent Vega!
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I had an Advent Vega... Doesn't even begin to compare to this thing... Was fun for modding but to actually use it was a POS... I mean come on, if you're into modding you can put an unfinished homebrew HoneyComb/ICS on it which doesn't support the camera (lol, the nasty VGA thing) or if not you can run the ridiculous stock ROM with inch-thick navigation bar... The accelerometer doesn't even work right. I think I can put up with choppy homescreen transitions...
You seem to think im asking to much for a tab to be able to actually function without stuttering, well i dont think i am.
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Not at all, we just can't understand why you don't rid yourself of it and get something else if it makes you so mad. We want you to be happy with whatever device you get but at the same time we don't want to be shouted about at how crappy stuff that we like supposedly is.
Im used to the slight Android stutter, but this is WAY beyond that. If i drag my finger slowly from screen to screen its smooth until it gets to about 40% of the way across, at which point it starts to stutter, however slowly i swipe.
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Ah yes, I know what you mean. The homescreens move with my finger but they do lose framerate. Never been important to me as homescreens are, erm, they're just to get you into the apps, and you only swipe between them when you want to see your other widgets/icons, it's not like a frequent thing. I find it stutters a LOT worse when using some live wallpapers, make sure you don't use one of them. A lot of the Honeycomb devices I've used do this though. There aren't many I've seen to run the homescreens smoothly without modding. I mean, for me, it's one of the best Android tablets I've used, the form factor, performance (for the size & weight), screen, etc. all come together really nicely. It's only the homescreen that doesn't seem smooth for me...
Have you tried overclocking? I've heard that can fix the issue. I read somewhere that the homescreens don't use hardware acceleration on this tab.
It's HoneyComb's silly 3D screens thing, the way swiping between them has that unnecessary 3D effect, I mean seriously, what is the practical use of that, it uses way more resources and also affects the intuitiveness of using a touch screen (when you keep things "flat", it creates the feeling of sliding something under your fingers, when the 3D comes in it separates it and feels more like minority report 'gestures'), it seems to be pointless showing off and causes a lot of the stuttering on Android tabs.
Also, have you considered giving the Galaxy Tab 10.1 a try? I've read that it runs better and is more compatible. For me no tabs compare to the Samsung ones in design, weight, etc., the performance isn't perfect but it's the kind of sacrifice you make to get something impossibly thin and light.
My S2 doesnt do that, even my Desire didnt, even my friends Wildfire doesnt and that has a 600mhz single core CPU.
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Yeah but these are all Android 2 devices which run at 800x480...
I never claimed to be objective, i despise Apple, and im very happy to say why. The galaxys look like an evolution of older Sammy phones and the Tabs look like large versions of them. They didnt copy Apple, call it 'convergent evolution' if you must. Apple are being patent trolls, they started it, the others need to finish it.
I love the look of the 8.9, its lovely, i just want the excessive stutter gone. homescreens are important to Android, its not just about the apps.
I know the Vega is rubbish, but it still manages to be smoother than the Tab.. Thats really sad.
Lower res phones should be smoother yes, but the Galaxy Note is smoother as well, that has the same res. The Xoom is smoother, in fact the 8.9 is the worst T2 powered tab ive used. What i want is ICS with Apex launcher than is smooth and jitter free. A pause or 2 i can handle, but not the gritty jerky laggy mess it currently is. It makes it feel so cheap and low end.
As for the dust, i used a statically charged plastic rod, and managed to make the fleck 'jump' off screen, behind the bezel i guess. It may return but its gone or now.
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I never claimed to be objective, i despise Apple, and im very happy to say why. The galaxys look like an evolution of older Sammy phones and the Tabs look like large versions of them. They didnt copy Apple, call it 'convergent evolution' if you must. Apple are being patent trolls, they started it, the others need to finish it.
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Well, it's not even worth getting into here, but it's still just a company, no need to take it personally, they all do these same things and our tablets wouldn't exist if iPad didn't, and wouldn't be half as great if they weren't competing with it.
homescreens are important to Android, its not just about the apps.
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But why? What can you actually do on a homescreen?
I know the Vega is rubbish, but it still manages to be smoother than the Tab.. Thats really sad.
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Well, only if you mod the crap out of it, and I'm sure you can mod this tab to run better if you overclock it and use the right ROMs and stuff...
Lower res phones should be smoother yes, but the Galaxy Note is smoother as well, that has the same res.
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And it's running Gingerbread.
The Xoom is smoother
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And bigger, and heavier.
As for the dust, i used a statically charged plastic rod, and managed to make the fleck 'jump' off screen, behind the bezel i guess. It may return but its gone or now.
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Good idea! If it comes back you can just do it again. Great thinking though.
Android has widgets, iOS doesnt. iOS's interface is just a basic list of apps. Android has so much more, yes widgets are apps in a sense i suppose, but they are interactive. If their performance is very poor it ruins the experience. Most apps perform ok in themselves, but the homescreen is the face of the device and it must be smooth.
Yes the Vega must be modded to be smooth, but i standby what i said. A Stock Vega is better than a stock 8.9, and ive done everything i can to make this smooth (ROMs, kernels, overclocks, tweaks), its still slower than a modded Vega.
The Note has ICS now and it destroys the 8.9 with ICS builds. The 8.9 feels like a 500mhz single core unit next to a Note. The Note running GB previously doesnt explain why its faster, it should mean its slower!
The Xoom might be heavier but it has no 'performance enhancing' extras that the 8.9 doesnt have, in fact the 8.9 has faster RAM, or at least a better implemented memory subsystem. Its still manages to be slower.
I simply dont accept the answer 'Blame Honeycomb'. If ICS fixes the issues then i believe Samsung must have changed something else, some limitation or previous decision that was hindering the unit.
Tegra2 for whatever reason is a horrible CPU. I've used a few omap4 tablets and they just seem way smoother than tegra2. I mean a tegra 3 is finally smooth but nvidias cpus seem to be "on paper" good but real world bad each generation. Seem like they come out first with a spec set but poorly implemented once competitors are out. I mean the snapdragon s4 quad will probably destroy tegra 3
The S4 duals beat the T3!
I knew Tegra was old and slow, but i did think that maybe Samsung would have made the best of the bad CPU, it seems they have made the worst of it.
I currently have a Galaxy Ace 2 but I have the urge to get something a little more powerful and I noticed the Razr i is quite cheap at £159.99.
A few questions though, given that the device is single core, does everything work really smooth? How do high-intensity games play?
Is Skype compatible?
Many thanks
cined said:
I currently have a Galaxy Ace 2 but I have the urge to get something a little more powerful and I noticed the Razr i is quite cheap at £159.99.
A few questions though, given that the device is single core, does everything work really smooth? How do high-intensity games play?
Is Skype compatible?
Many thanks
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For the actual price you won't get anything better:
- the atom single core is fast and power efficient, the phone is really responsive (for an android phone)
- huge battery (2000 mAh)
- a really nice metal frame chassis with kevlar application on the back. And it's a really compact phone, almost the same form factor as an iPhone 5.
- the screen is not really competetive with the new high end full HD displays, nevertheless it's got really vivid but no too overpowered colours and the pentile matrix is only visible if you really want to see it
- multicolor notification LED
- Android is only slightly themed by Motorola. Anyhow the Motorola icons are ugly as hell and you will have to unlock the bootloader to achive root and flash a themed mod to get back the plain AOSP style.
- Skype is compatible. Allmost all (non high-end game) apps are compatible today.
In fact there still are non compatible games. Look up the thread in Mods & Apps for well working games.
In conclusion there are of course better phones on the market, but they are all huge like frying pans and are not available at this price point.
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For the actual price you won't get anything better:
- the atom single core is fast and power efficient, the phone is really responsive (for an android phone)
- huge battery (2000 mAh)
- a really nice metal frame chassis with kevlar application on the back. And it's a really compact phone, almost the same form factor as an iPhone 5.
- the screen is not really competetive with the new high end full HD displays, nevertheless it's got really vivid but no too overpowered colours and the pentile matrix is only visible if you really want to see it
- multicolor notification LED
- Android is only slightly themed by Motorola. Anyhow the Motorola icons are ugly as hell and you will have to unlock the bootloader to achive root and flash a themed mod to get back the plain AOSP style.
- Skype is compatible. Allmost all (non high-end game) apps are compatible today.
In fact there still are non compatible games. Look up the thread in Mods & Apps for well working games.
In conclusion there are of course better phones on the market, but they are all huge like frying pans and are not available at this price point.
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Thank you for the informative reply.
The main thing I wanted to know is wether it'd be worth upgrading from the Ace 2.
cined said:
Thank you for the informative reply.
The main thing I wanted to know is wether it'd be worth upgrading from the Ace 2.
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Can anyone else offer any advice please?
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Can anyone else offer any advice please?
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Try compare ace 2 and razr i on gsmarena.com
there you can see the differece. And in my opinion, the razr i would be a great upgrade for you!
Look, I play all sorts on mine other than NFS most wanted which for me is the only lagging game. The 2ghz processor is brilliant and has multi threading and the phone its self is practically bulletproof haha I drop mine all the time and its still mint. You don't need to ask about upgrading, just do it. There isn't a chance you'll regret it. Its miles ahead of an ace 2
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hi. i see many here who have bought this gorgeous tablet. im in the planning of buying it. i honestly dont want the exynos version cause of my past experience with this chipset being hot and no so stable. and sadly its the only one available here.
im TOO much convinced to get iPad Air 2 because it wipes the floor with these 2 tablets. but i really dont like Apple at all. so much so, i HATE apple! but the S-Lag is pushing me more towards Apple more than ever before... lag on a 2014 Flagship tablet is PLAIN UNACCEPTABLE!
anyways, lets come to the point. WHATS YOUR EXPERIENCE WITH THIS TABLET? whats the best thing about it? what did u find so-so in this tablet? and what is the worst thing according to YOU in your tablet? pls mention ur model (10.5 or 8.4 and also share the chipset, Snapdragon 800 or Exynos 5420 and also Wi-Fi only or Lte one)
(its only gonna take 3 mins to type and reply to this thread, so pls share ur experience. might be very helpful for some!)
You lost me as soon as you said that the iPad wipes the floor against this tablet. Lol
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I have zero lag with my Exynos Galaxy Tab S 10.5 WiFi running stock NK1 firmware and debloated and all graphic intensive games play smooth and it multitasks faster then my Note 4. The screen is in a league of its own and my jaw drops every time I look at it. Battery life is awesome at around 8-9 screen on hours and tablet runs cool to the touch at all times and it scores around 40,000-41,000 in Antutu which isn't too shabby considering it only uses the the 4 x 1.9ghz cores during the test. Well worth the $399 @ Best Buy and development is decent for it with CM 11 being stable and Lollipop coming in a month or so. I bought three of them instead of the Galaxy Tab Pro 12.2 because it's LCD looked crappy just like IPad Air 2.
Worst thing is scrolling in many apps like tapatalk and even play store is jerky not smooth, both in stock and cm port. Best thing is the screen. If it weren't for the screen I wouldn't get it
guys, 3 days and only 2 people shared their experience? come one dont just view the thread, share what you think to help others buy it.
Not clear to me what the point of this thread is. Much of the discussion on the entire forum is about peoples' experience with the tablet. Maybe if you ask a more specific question, you'll get more of a response.
I'm using this tablet for 4 days now I came from the iPad retina. The screen is so beautiful comparing with the iPad but it has its downsides.
Pro's
-screen
-android (can stream mkv to this device)
-battery life
Con's
-sometimes lag (hopefully the lollipop update will kill the lag)
-design (it's not bad, but the iPad feels more high quality)
Conclusion
I'm using the tablet for watching series and movies in my bed, for this purpose it's the best tablet I've ever been acrossed. Hopefully the lollipop update kills the lag and activate full 64 bit (I've heard the cpu works I'm 32 it mode at the moment)
Model: T800 WiFi (10.5)
Processor: Exynos 5420
I got my tab 2 weeks now and I'm really impressed by it.
I have to say that I've debloated it and trying to get more out of it because I'm not really happy with the amount of RAM used. Out of almost 3GB it uses 60-70% on idle, with no running apps.
I believe this is due to TouchWiz and (I think) some other Samsung stuff.
As for the screen: It's absolutely amazing! Big and Amazing! But, a battery drainer for sure, especially with full brightness.
About the battery life: Reasonable. I don't really watch movies on it and use it more for work, 3rd monitor, reading. Basically everything except watching movies. And still I find that the battery performance could be better. It's not bad, but I find myself plugging it in way too often then I would like. (But I guess that's the sacrifice you make for getting a big awesome screen).
I've also tried the latest CM11 ROM for it, and performance wise it got better.
Faster, smoother and way less RAM used (700MB instead of almost 2GB), but I found that it's missing a lot of Samsung features the stock ROM has to offer (which in turn made it useless IMO, unless you don't need them.)
And I'm also sure that the Lollipop update will do a lot of good things for it, and let's not forget the custom roms that will probably be made once Lollipop is available for this tablet. Things can only get better!
I wouldn't change my Tab S for anything else, although it may sound like I'm a bit negative about it, I absolutely love it.
My experiences so far, hope it helps you decide.
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Not clear to me what the point of this thread is. Much of the discussion on the entire forum is about peoples' experience with the tablet. Maybe if you ask a more specific question, you'll get more of a response.
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i have said that in the 1st post man . simply state Pros and Cons you found out in this tablet. what do u use it for mostly and how long does it run (battery life)?
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I can finallt post on here! Anyway I have the Galaxy tab s 10.5 with exynos chipset.
I have had this since lauch and no problems so far.
Display, The display is awesome event in direct sunlight you can still see it. Heck its even bright at night. It can rung videos up to 1440p and its way better then lcd. But there is one thing to look out for. Since its amoled, you may get burnt or stuck pixles. I have only one as of now. I have no idea how it happened but its really really tiny to see it. To aviod this problem is to not use applications such as facebook for 6 hours straight. Then you should be fine if you watch movies.
Speakers, great treble and some bass. The quality of it is clear and plays most music perfectly. Depending on some movies they may be quiet but for most its really loud. There are one speaker on the left and right on each side which is a good placement for a thin tablet.
Vibration. Oddly enough this tablet has vibration for nonfications and even when you type! Its not the best like most phones but works well.
Hardwarebuttons/keys. There is a backlight when you press the back or recent apps buttons. They light up which is a plus for me and the home button works well. The home button fingerprint scanner is ok.. But the Ipad air 2 scanner is better. This is due that samsungs home button is oval or the software has been made perfectly like the ipads. But it works most of the times.
Wifi, signal on this tablet rocks! It can detect my neighbors wifi signal and still have 3 bars. It works well on most routers and downloads are faster and more stable since its wifi antenna is really strong.
Battery, I get about 8 hours of screen on time which is really good. I wish i could get more but this is better than the ipads.
UI, samsungs Ui may be laggy but can be fixed by installing nova launcher and disabling knox / some system apps. The multitasking feature works well but not all apps are supported. You would need root to use all apps for multitaking. Also, Samsung lacked of getting updates to this tablet. There has ony been 2 or 3 updates since launch. After the first week I rooted and later install cm11. Its been blazing fast so far with no stutters. There is also custom roms for both the 8.4 and 10.5 inch tablet.
Build quality, very fragile. One drop and there goes your tablet. I would recommend getting a case or somesort to protect this tablet. The screen does pretty well in scratches too. Camera is good for outdoor use and has a great flash. The back has a good cover to put your hands on and prevent slipping. Altougb it has vert thin bezels in which it can be hard to hold in one hand.
Customization, more than the ipad and you can also fox the lag but doing a few things. Rooting can get you way more things like backing up your whole rom in case of a bootloop in which you can restore too. You can also flash custom roms and get tons of features. You can also add sd card for more storage.
App support for this tablet is ok. Most apps work well and some intensive games lag because it isnt optimised for this tablet. I only get lag at the loading screen.
Overall, this tablet is a great one with tons of customozation and features, but its fragile like the ipad air 2. But alteast its a bit thick then the ipad air. If you are a video watcher/ streamer, this tablet is good for you as it had great battery life,screen quality, and also different modes of color ehanments to choose from. Heck this is also my tv remote as it can change channels do other stuff with the ir sensor.
I've had my 8.4 WiFi Tab S for about a month now, here are my thoughts:
1) The stock ROM is laggy, and really betrays the specs of this tablet. Even installing Nova launcher and debloating as much as I can did little to speed it up. This was my biggest disappointment out of the box, and continued to frustrate me until I finally rooted it and installed CM11...more on that later
2) RAM usage/allocation is not good on the stock ROM. Dolphin browser for example will crash when more than a few tabs are open, where on my other devices this is not an issue.
3) The screen is gorgeous - it really is a class leader. Nothing comes close to Samsungs SAMOLED displays, this one has a 1600 x 2560 360ppi dazzler. It's really that good.
4) Most stock Samsung apps are gimmicky and useless. They just take up memory and shouldn't be there, or at least be optional to install.
5) This is XDA, so it's likely if you're reading this you're thinking about rooting the tablet. My advice? In the case of the Tab S 8.4 - DO IT. Do it NOW. CM11 in particular washes away my concerns above, and the tablet performs as it's specs suggest - super quick, minimal lag and powerful. It's like having a new tablet all over again, and things will only bet better once Lollipop comes out.
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hi. i see many here who have bought this gorgeous tablet. im in the planning of buying it. i honestly dont want the exynos version cause of my past experience with this chipset being hot and no so stable. and sadly its the only one available here.
im TOO much convinced to get iPad Air 2 because it wipes the floor with these 2 tablets. but i really dont like Apple at all. so much so, i HATE apple! but the S-Lag is pushing me more towards Apple more than ever before... lag on a 2014 Flagship tablet is PLAIN UNACCEPTABLE!
anyways, lets come to the point. WHATS YOUR EXPERIENCE WITH THIS TABLET? whats the best thing about it? what did u find so-so in this tablet? and what is the worst thing according to YOU in your tablet? pls mention ur model (10.5 or 8.4 and also share the chipset, Snapdragon 800 or Exynos 5420 and also Wi-Fi only or Lte one)
(its only gonna take 3 mins to type and reply to this thread, so pls share ur experience. might be very helpful for some!)
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iOS is a much better OS than Samsung's Android. Let's be honest, the software really lags. But I'm buying the specs, and putting in CM. So with CM, and the specs... it works very well for me. No complaints. Depends on what kind of user you are and what you plan on doing with the tablet. I like a customized ROM, great battery for watching movies and surf the web and do very little gaming... Tab S 10.5 is perfect for me.
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I've had my 8.4 WiFi Tab S for about a month now, here are my thoughts:
1) The stock ROM is laggy, and really betrays the specs of this tablet. Even installing Nova launcher and debloating as much as I can did little to speed it up. This was my biggest disappointment out of the box, and continued to frustrate me until I finally rooted it and installed CM11...more on that later
2) RAM usage/allocation is not good on the stock ROM. Dolphin browser for example will crash when more than a few tabs are open, where on my other devices this is not an issue.
3) The screen is gorgeous - it really is a class leader. Nothing comes close to Samsungs SAMOLED displays, this one has a 1600 x 2560 360ppi dazzler. It's really that good.
4) Most stock Samsung apps are gimmicky and useless. They just take up memory and shouldn't be there, or at least be optional to install.
5) This is XDA, so it's likely if you're reading this you're thinking about rooting the tablet. My advice? In the case of the Tab S 8.4 - DO IT. Do it NOW. CM11 in particular washes away my concerns above, and the tablet performs as it's specs suggest - super quick, minimal lag and powerful. It's like having a new tablet all over again, and things will only bet better once Lollipop comes out.
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This guy's response is dead on. :good::good::good::good::good::good:
Running CM11 and I have nothing to complain. Just onhe thing annoys me, the hardware button on the bottom (in landscape). I would like to press iut with my thumb, but that's too far away. Especially when I am browsing lying in bed, pad on my chest/belly.
I have a tab s 8.4 LTE Exynos for about a month now.
Hardware build is fine but could be better. Tablet is very delicate, you have to be careful with it. Feeling in the hand is great, especially the soft back.
Display is absolutely amazing, but you already know that. Really bright, it can also go insanely dark if you want, and sharp as a knife. Colors can punch your face in, or be more natural, depending which mode you want and choose. One thing is for sure, expect screen orgasm all day every day with tab s
Software is mixed bag. There are great software additions for productivity etc but the best option is to put different launcher on it (Nova is great, but I found that smart launcher works even better).
Performance is good but with a different launcher it becomes much better. You have to keep in mind, this display has an insane number of pixels, runs what is probably the most heaviest android skin in existence (TouchWiz), and has note 3 procesor inside. With all this in mind, I was actually surprised with the performance, with multitasking and games as well.
Games run perfectly with some lag here and there on more demanding titles. I love how you can play GTA:San Andreas for example, then go multitask do a ton of other things, and then just hop back to GTA and it will not reload the game, you can just continue playing where you left of.
Speaker is good, lacks more bass, but loud and clear, I have no problem with it.
Battery is good, about 7h average of screen time. I use it heavily with 50% brightness, reading articles, browsing, games and a ton of movies and youtube. With power saving mode, or if you root the tablet and debloat you can go even further with battery.
Also I'm not rooted, yet.
Should you buy this tablet? For me, answer is yes. Kudos to all other great tablets out there, but I wouldn't trade this display for anything in the world.
very unsatisfied
Very unsatisfied. Would return immediately if possible . The screen is just too large and too wide, also the text is very small, and color temperature should be warmer .
Also not possible to hold it in one hand .
Very very unstasfied for reading and browsing . Very bad buy for me .
For watching movies it would be OK i guess .
I am using the 8.4 Wifi Tab S. I have it rooted and debloated a large number of system apps by using Titanium Backup. Using a stock ROM with Nova Launcher makes this thing fly. Also using CM11's latest build from 12/2/14 and everything is working fine so far. I highly recommend using Nova Launcher even if you are not rooted.
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Very unsatisfied. Would return immediately if possible . The screen is just too large and too wide, also the text is very small, and color temperature should be warmer .
Also not possible to hold it in one hand .
Very very unstasfied for reading and browsing . Very bad buy for me .
For watching movies it would be OK i guess .
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Nothing wrong with the tablet, but with your decision to buy it.
So you are the one to blame, not the tablet.
Buy phone for elderly. It has a small screen with big fonts. Perfect.
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I have a tablet for one day, so I can't really post a long experience essay, yet, but so far i am totally impressed and love it from the inside out.
From software perspective it is Android as android (tried at least hundred custom roms in last 4 years or so, from phones to tablets), nothing to blow my mind there. I have to mention i came to TabS from Asus Infinity and it is like i am discovering a whole new world. TabS really is that better. The one thing that ruined the Asus tablet, which was perfectly fine from specs perspective, was the cheap internal storage, which was so slow that sometimes I had to wait more than 30s or a minute for screen orientation to change. I won't go into details, but it was a 700€ tablet which i almost threw into the wall because of all the frustration it caused me. So, maybe i am not looking objectively here, but TabS is faaaar superior.
There are some hiccups now and then, but i don't really think it is due to Samsung apps or HW.
From experience i think it is just the android that has problems. CM is just so heavily tweaked to overcome it, but put AOSP rom on the device, and i bet after few days you'll get the same problems as with any vendor built roms. Not as much, but still. I could be wrong though.
Anyway, from a day of playing with the tablet, i am impressed.
It is responsive, the screen is gorgeous and currently there is nothing to complain about.
I did root it, but didn't debloat it yet, because i don't see a reason to do it, yet.
If it comes to that, there are still other options - like CM and so on.
So far, very happy.
I recieved mine yesterday and a couple of quick thoughts:
-Screen is incredible, my <480P videos look terrible and pixelated almost because the screen is too good. Not the screens fault.
- TouchWiz is annoying and crappy. Nova Launcher helps but i hate the pull down menu. I wish CM offically supported this but it looks like you XDA guys <3 have done a solid job porting CM11 over. If i decide to keep it , I will root and flash CM on here.
-Alot of cool free gifts with the tab, NY Times. Marvel, etc.
-Fingerprint scanner is not bad. Alittle bit finicky though.
-love the MicroSD Card,
-the back is a bit slimy and annoying to hold up.
-Seems like there is some lag switching between apps. I wish this had a better CPU.
All in all, I am unsure what to do. I like the tablet but I think a N9 would be great also. I have 2 weeks to decide, if I see a good deal on a N9 I might switch to that. I would be worried in a year or so the Tab S will be quite laggy...
thoughts?
This cursed tablet is causing me depressions . It is so cold and big, not cozy and warm . It is the devils work . Unusable in landscape and even more in portrait . I warn you !!! Dont buy this piece of crap, buy something smaller with lower resolution what u can hold in one hand .
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But I cannot return it because I bought it from internet from china . I want to change DPI in android so text is larger and even this is not possible . Total unreadable microscopic text . Hate it 1!!!!!!!
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So that you see the difference between my nice EIZO monitor in "text" setting, which is perfect for browsing and office work, I can work non-stop with this monitor.
And the Tab S 10.5 in "Basic" display setting - which is the warmest (but there is not much difference in white temperatuer between the 3 settings).
After 20 minutes of browsing on this tablet my eyes are crying "WTF are u doing to us". Add headache to this and then u know how it is to work with this tablet .
If I would see this comparrison earlier I would not buy, but the reviews are not reviewing this most important stuff as thorough as they should . I BLAME THE REVIEWERS FOR THIS !! may the rot in hell .
Been on the fence trying to decide which one I want for the past two weeks.
Know the 5 blows away the Note 4 Snapdragon version performance wise but just how much faster and smoother is it compared to the Exynos version?
Can those of you who upgraded share your experience?
Was it really an upgrade?
Did you notice a big jump in performance?
How does the screen compare?
Thanks in advance!!!!
Sorry if this is not the comment you are looking for since I came from a Note 2, but I think it may help. When it comes down to deciding between these two phones (the same choice I had to make recently) it all comes down to the few features that are different and whether or not you NEED root. Removable battery was the biggest one for me but I think that issue will be taken care of by the battery cases once they are out, that said the battery lasts pretty long for 3000mah (I had a 6400mah in my note 2 and this lasts almost as long). If you NEED to root the phone for any reason you may as well go with a Note 4, since you lose Samsung pay capabilities which is one of the stand out features of this phone. If you NEED an IR sensor, again Note 4. If you want a really fast starting camera, want Samsung pay, don't mind using a USB SD card reader for expansion storage, a fingerprint reader that works great, and don't mind the non replaceable battery the Note 5 is a killer phone. It has surpassed all of my expectations coming up from a Note 2 that had Root, a 6400mah battery etc... This will be my first phone without root access, but I feel like I will not be missing too much. Hope this might help in your decision process, but if not just ignore.
Here's a detailed analysis of the two SoC's in the Note 4.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/8718/the-samsung-galaxy-note-4-exynos-review/11
The same architectural reasons Exynos was superior are the answer as to why the Note 5's Exynos chip is superior to the Note 4's. Each generation of new (not revised) chips are a leap above their predessors. S-810 being the exception because while it hit its performance expectations you could fry an egg with it.
It's just my opinion, but I can't imagine basing a decision like this on how smoothly the device scrolls pages on the homescreen or flips between apps. It's amazing how much influence Apple's propaganda has had on even non-Apple users.
Both the Note 4 and Note 5 are powerful tools that are functionally very similar, but have very different price tags.
Samsung Galaxy Note5 Pros
Exquisite design
More compact, with better screen-to-body size ratio
Better performance thanks to the superior hardware
Better battery life
Improved S Pen features
Revamped TouchWiz UI
Wireless fast charging out of the box
Samsung Galaxy Note 4 Pros
microSD card slot
Removable battery
Superior rear camera performance in certain scenes
Slightly better call quality
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http://www.phonearena.com/reviews/Samsung-Galaxy-Note5-vs-Samsung-Galaxy-Note-4_id4064
Thanks for the opinion/feedback.
Some people are power users and when you have two of the most powerful sports cars side by side àll of a sudden performance becomes one of the most important deciding factors and not just cargo space or gas mileage if that makes sense.
Knowing the Note 5 is the latest and greatest, I'm not expecting the performance to be night and day vs the already proven note 4.
However I would like to know if the hype really is worth the extra 3-400 more dollars considering everything Samsung left off the table (no SD, no ir, removable battery etc)
My question is, is the performance of the 7420 processor a big noticeable difference vs the 5433 on the Note 4 or is it a small noticeable difference?
Keep in mind this is touchwiz Not Apple
P.S most articles & reviews are comparing the Note 4 Snapdragon vs the Note 5 Exynos which really isn't that fair a comparison. (Including the one you linked above)
I'm looking for real world feedback on Exynos vs Exynos.
Clash of the Titans!!!
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It's just my opinion, but I can't imagine basing a decision like this on how smoothly the device scrolls pages on the homescreen or flips between apps. It's amazing how much influence Apple's propaganda has had on even non-Apple users.
Both the Note 4 and Note 5 are powerful tools that are functionally very similar, but have very different price tags.
http://www.phonearena.com/reviews/Samsung-Galaxy-Note5-vs-Samsung-Galaxy-Note-4_id4064
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Noticeable when, in the UI, running a benchmark, playing a game?
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Noticeable when, in the UI, running a benchmark, playing a game?
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Just overall how fluid is the OS and overall user experience?
I had a chance to test the Note 5 at Best Buy recently and really liked the experience.
Everything was instant iphone like.
Have to admit love or hate them, Apple builds a rock solid user experience on lesser hardware and Android as great as it is can take a page from Apple based on this aspect alone.
While using the Note 5, I didn't experience any lag which for Samsung has been a problem with the user experience for years.
Of course the 805 Snapdragon Note 4 sitting next to it had some lag going through the menus, web browsing, email usage videos on Touchwiz etc
Wasn't bad but noticeable from time to time.
Even after rebooting the phone.
Granted both units were stock and the Note 4 was over a year old BUT I've never had a chance to use the Exynos Note 4 which everyone seems to praise for its snappy performance.
So I say this to ask for those of you who have use both the N910C and now the Note 5, how close would you say the Exynos Note 4 user experience is compared to the Note 5 based on what I said above?
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My question is, is the performance of the 7420 processor a big noticeable difference vs the 5433 on the Note 4 or is it a small noticeable difference?
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The SoC alone doesn't determine performance. The Note 5 has uber-fast UFS storage and LPDDR4 RAM including an extra GB of the latter. That and the streamlining and minimization Samsung's done with the UI and their apps contribute to a huge and noticeable difference in performance. It's especially noticeable when working with big I/O sensitive apps like S Note and Gallery. Whether that's worth X$ more is up to you.
I'm looking for real world feedback on Exynos vs Exynos.
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Feedback on performance is subjective. This article compares the two Exynos chips. If you're looking at the SoC alone it's pretty clear the 7420 is a huge generational leap over 5430/3.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/9330/exynos-7420-deep-dive
tiguy99 said:
Just overall how fluid is the OS and overall user experience?
I had a chance to test the Note 5 at Best Buy recently and really liked the experience.
Everything was instant iphone like.
Have to admit love or hate them, Apple builds a rock solid user experience on lesser hardware and Android as great as it is can take a page from Apple based on this aspect alone.
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There is more to user experience than fluid animations in the UI, and trends in the market have proven that out. Apple has done more apeing of Android in recent years than the other way around. For example, they told us that the 3G/4/4s were the perfect size for user experience. Android OEMs proved that optimizing a display for the eyes by making it larger was more important than optimizing it for the thumb. Apple made fun of Android, but since the iPhone 5 their displays have gotten larger. They also had the perfect screen resolution before increasing theirs to match Android starting with the iPhone 6.
In the UI, Apple used to mock widgets as confusing and unnecessary UI clutter before they added something sorta like widgets to iOS. They also had to catch up to Android's better implementation of notifications. And iOS is still famously non-customizable, which keeps lots of people away from it.
So obviously Android is doing a few things right when it comes to user experience, which is why I wrote:
CafeKampuchia said:
It's just my opinion, but I can't imagine basing a decision like this on how smoothly the device scrolls pages on the homescreen or flips between apps. It's amazing how much influence Apple's propaganda has had on even non-Apple users.
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I don't need Apple propagandists telling me what perfect user experience is so I'll think their designers and engineers have miraculously produced that for me.
If fluid animations in the UI is what defines good user experience for you, then you should consider the iPhone S6 Plus. I hear it's a great device.
This video is exactly what I'm talking about
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RoZkqT_CItc
In 2015, you don't hear those stories coming from the Apple camp and lets face it you still hear that coming from Android users with newer devices.
To me the Note 5 is the first Android phone I've used that's "lag free" in fluidity.
That may not mean much to you guys but I'd say that's damn good considering the amount of lag complaints re: touchwiz all over the internet.
Which leads me back to my original point...I don't need to "just buy an iphone if I want to avoid lag!"
In my opinion, I think that's an absurd comment considering the power these devices have and the fact I'm on an Android tech forum praising the Note 5 for its speedy performance!!!!
Being very familiar with both OSs & phones and a fan of good tech overall, I say its good to see both camps producing great products.
I'm just asking for those of you who've owned and used both Note 4 & 5 Exynos versions, how would you say the performance and user experience has been for you?
tiguy99 said:
I'm just asking for those of you who've owned and used both Note 4 & 5 Exynos versions, how would you say the performance and user experience has been for you?
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Well...I have owned both the Note 4 Exynos and Snapdragon versions, and atm I have the Note 5.
The N4 SD we can disregard completely as the Exynos version is much smoother and faster, and without the overheating issues of the SD.
The N4 Exynos with stock rom I found basically pretty smooth, but even so still some improvements were necessary.
With a custom rom and custom kernel (and a couple other build.prop tweaks) everything was rather very smooth and fast and I could use my N4 almost to full satisfaction.
I am specifically referring to scrolling behaviour and speed of opening apps. Also worth mentioning is RAM management (far too quickly closing of recent apps).
This has never been great on TW phones, and indeed this goes for both Note 4's and also the Note 5.
Now...the Note 5. Speed and smoothness are exceptional imo, even on stock rom and without a custom kernel. But...RAM management is still crap to be honest!
Just 3 or 4 apps recent apps and you will find one closed when you open a 5th app...ridiculous really (especially with so much RAM).
So, I rooted my Note 5 and applied some build.prop tweaks and now RAM management is great.
I can easily open more than 15 (!) apps and not have them closed automatically by TW. Scrolling is also a bit more smooth with the build.prop tweaks implemented.
Thirdly you can activate the 'Enforce GPU rendering' option within Developer Menu. It does help somewhat with smoother scrolling.
So...that's it. Hoping my info is helpful to you.
Thanks Daffie!
That's exactly what I was looking for
daffie said:
Well...I have owned both the Note 4 Exynos and Snapdragon versions, and atm I have the Note 5.
The N4 SD we can disregard completely as the Exynos version is much smoother and faster, and without the overheating issues of the SD.
The N4 Exynos with stock rom I found basically pretty smooth, but even so still some improvements were necessary.
With a custom rom and custom kernel (and a couple other build.prop tweaks) everything was rather very smooth and fast and I could use my N4 almost to full satisfaction.
I am specifically referring to scrolling behaviour and speed of opening apps. Also worth mentioning is RAM management (far too quickly closing of recent apps).
This has never been great on TW phones, and indeed this goes for both Note 4's and also the Note 5.
Now...the Note 5. Speed and smoothness are exceptional imo, even on stock rom and without a custom kernel. But...RAM management is still crap to be honest!
Just 3 or 4 apps recent apps and you will find one closed when you open a 5th app...ridiculous really (especially with so much RAM).
So, I rooted my Note 5 and applied some build.prop tweaks and now RAM management is great.
I can easily open more than 15 (!) apps and not have them closed automatically by TW. Scrolling is also a bit more smooth with the build.prop tweaks implemented.
Thirdly you can activate the 'Enforce GPU rendering' option within Developer Menu. It does help somewhat with smoother scrolling.
So...that's it. Hoping my info is helpful to you.
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daffie said:
...RAM management is still crap to be honest!
Just 3 or 4 apps recent apps and you will find one closed when you open a 5th app...ridiculous really (especially with so much RAM).
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Sorry but on my unrooted and updated Note 5 I currently have 21 recent apps listed, and you would never know as there is no slowdown and no RAM issues.
ECdOc said:
Sorry but on my unrooted and updated Note 5 I currently have 21 recent apps listed, and you would never know as there is no slowdown and no RAM issues.
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Hmm...that sure is weird indeed...but good news for you I based my point on my own experience, and also on user experience on Dutch Note 5 forum and XDA, as well as several news stories / reviews which also had the RAM management issue. Strange case apparently then of some Note 5's performing well and other don't
Oh and btw...I was referring very specifically to recent apps being CLOSED unnecessarily by TW. From your remark it isn't clear whether you have this issue or you don't. You only say 'there is no slowdown and no RAM issues'. I have no slowdown on my Note 5. Just making sure everybody's on the same page here
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tiguy99 said:
Thanks Daffie!
That's exactly what I was looking for
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You're very welcome :good:
ECdOc said:
Sorry but on my unrooted and updated Note 5 I currently have 21 recent apps listed, and you would never know as there is no slowdown and no RAM issues.
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They are "present" in recent apps visually but when you re-open them you'll find they reload. Samsung's explanation is that apps beyond a certain (unexplained) threshold are killed to maximize battery life. It doesn't really affect me the way I use my phone but it bothers the crap out of some people.
Here's a video
daffie said:
Oh and btw...I was referring very specifically to recent apps being CLOSED unnecessarily by TW. From your remark it isn't clear whether you have this issue or you don't. You only say 'there is no slowdown and no RAM issues'. I have no slowdown on my Note 5. Just making sure everybody's on the same page here
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BarryH_GEG said:
They are "present" in recent apps visually but when you re-open them you'll find they reload. Samsung's explanation is that apps beyond a certain (unexplained) threshold are killed to maximize battery life. It doesn't really affect me the way I use my phone but it bothers the crap out of some people.
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Thanks for the clarification, I have never noticed an issue with apps reloading but probably because it really doesn't make a difference as quick as everything opens. I'll keep an eye on it though.
I also agree with both of you, with the speed of the Note 5 opening apps is no problem really...even when they are closed automatically too quickly. With my former Note 4 this really was an issue. Not so much with the Note 5 :good:
CafeKampuchia said:
It's just my opinion, but I can't imagine basing a decision like this on how smoothly the device scrolls pages on the homescreen or flips between apps. It's amazing how much influence Apple's propaganda has had on even non-Apple users.
Both the Note 4 and Note 5 are powerful tools that are functionally very similar, but have very different price tags.
http://www.phonearena.com/reviews/Samsung-Galaxy-Note5-vs-Samsung-Galaxy-Note-4_id4064
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This link is a good example of what we've been discussing for the past 2 days
I messed around with a Note 4 (SM-N910C/Exynos 5433) right after a Note5 at a Samsung store in Bangkok today. I noticed no lag, frame drops or hesitation in either device. Both were running 5.1.1.
Awesome!! BIG Thanks to everyone in this thread.
Your feedback and thoughts are exactly what I need to make my decision
CafeKampuchia said:
I messed around with a Note 4 (SM-N910C/Exynos 5433) right after a Note5 at a Samsung store in Bangkok today. I noticed no lag, frame drops or hesitation in either device. Both were running 5.1.1.
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