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[Q] 5.1.1 stock update: Re-root and Unencrypt Q's

Many of you have heard by now that 5.1.1 is out, and we should receive an update soon on our stock rom Nexus 6. I just bought a Nexus 6 64gb, XT1103, and it is running the stock rom, rooted, and un-encrypted. I'm wondering if we'll lose root and un-encrypt if we take the update, and loose data if we re-unencrypt. What have your experiences been on the stock rom 5.1 update?

bovineyard said:
Many of you have heard by now that 5.1.1 is out, and we should receive an update soon on our stock rom Nexus 6. I just bought a Nexus 6 64gb, XT1103, and it is running the stock rom, rooted, and un-encrypted. I'm wondering if we'll lose root and un-encrypt if we take the update, and loose data if we re-unencrypt. What have your experiences been on the stock rom 5.1 update?
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While the update will download, it will not install with root and an unencrypted kernel.
IF you want to take the OTA, then you will need to fastboot flash the boot.img and system.img from the factory image. Boot.img will encrypt your kernel, but you will not loose data (but you will have to factory reset, again, if you want to unencrypt, which will wipe data). Flashing the system.img will remove root and flash stock recovery.

cam30era said:
While the update will download, it will not install with root and an unencrypted kernel.
IF you want to take the OTA, then you will need to fastboot flash the boot.img and system.img from the factory image. Boot.img will encrypt your kernel, but you will not loose data (but you will have to factory reset, again, if you want to unencrypt, which will wipe data). Flashing the system.img will remove root and flash stock recovery.
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i think with root but encrypted will do the update

HitNrun_ said:
i think with root but encrypted will do the update
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Nope, not on Lollipop. Kitkat and before, yes. Not anymore.

cam30era said:
Nope, not on Lollipop. Kitkat and before, yes. Not anymore.
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so unroot and encypted will do the trick? what about the bootloader, will it work with unlocked or should it be relocked too?

5.1.1 is NOT officially out for the nexus 6. it is in aosp though. thats two differing things. stock is on 5.1.

HitNrun_ said:
so unroot and encypted will do the trick? what about the bootloader, will it work with unlocked or should it be relocked too?
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The OTA package only looks at system.img and boot.img. Of course you need stock recovery to install it. And the "unroot" option inside SuperSU is insufficient. It leaves some traces around that will prevent the OTA from loading. Flash the stock system.img.
And afterwards, when unencrypting, you'll have to fastboot format userdata. Which will wipe your SDcard again.

HitNrun_ said:
so unroot and encypted will do the trick? what about the bootloader, will it work with unlocked or should it be relocked too?
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Bootloader status has no effect on the OTA.

I have rooted, but encrypted 5.1, and got OTA5 5.1.1, I am on custom recovery,
should I flash stock recovery before flashing? plus, after installing, I will need to regain root access right? my data/apps will stay intact right?

ibraheeemz said:
I have rooted, but encrypted 5.1, and got OTA5 5.1.1, I am on custom recovery,
should I flash stock recovery before flashing? plus, after installing, I will need to regain root access right? my data/apps will stay intact right?
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As it says above, you cannot FLASH the update if you are rooted, even with a stock recovery.
You will have to flash the system.img and boot.img of the Stock factory image. IF the full factory image of the version you want is available here: https://developers.google.com/android/nexus/images
...download it, extract the system and boot.img and fastboot flash them. Job done. If the version you need is only available in an OTA file, you'll need to flash the system and boot of the expected version (i.e. the one you're on now) AND flash the recovery to accept the OTA

danarama said:
As it says above, you cannot receive the update if you are rooted, even with a stock recovery.
You will have to flash the system.img and boot.img of the Stock factory image. IF the full factory image of the version you want is available here: https://developers.google.com/android/nexus/images
...download it, extract the system and boot.img and fastboot flash them. Job done. If the version you need is only available in an OTA file, you'll need to flash the system and boot of the expected version (i.e. the one you're on now) AND flash the recovery to accept the OTA
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I am using a custom recovery, on a rooted but STOCK 5.1, and I already got OTA, I downloaded it as well, but needed to make sure before upgrading, that it doesn't cause data lose if I move to stock recovery, and want to regain root after flashing 5.1.1,
anyway, i flashed stock recovery, then proceeded with the update, it tried flashing but showed "error" at the android screen, so, I don't whats missing, as I was using stock 5.1, just unlocked it, rooted it, and flashed customer recovery,

ibraheeemz said:
I am using a custom recovery, on a rooted but STOCK 5.1, and I already got OTA, I downloaded it as well, but needed to make sure before upgrading, that it doesn't cause data lose if I move to stock recovery, and want to regain root after flashing 5.1.1,
anyway, i flashed stock recovery, then proceeded with the update, it tried flashing but showed "error" at the android screen, so, I don't whats missing, as I was using stock 5.1, just unlocked it, rooted it, and flashed customer recovery,
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When I said receive, I meant flash. You cannot FLASH the update if you are rooted. Period. Read my post again but substitute the word receive for flash.

danarama said:
When I said receive, I meant flash. You cannot FLASH the update if you are rooted. Period. Read my post again but substitute the word receive for flash.
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got it, but still looking for the answer, will I loose data after flashing system.img? or while regaining root after 5.1.1 update?

ibraheeemz said:
got it, but still looking for the answer, will I loose data after flashing system.img? or while regaining root after 5.1.1 update?
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No. Only factory reset or unlocking the bootloader loses data. System.img is the rom, flashing to /system. Boot.img is the kernel, flashing to /boot. if you flash these separately, userdata.img is not flashed to /data, so your /data partition remains in tact.
root doesn't touch /data either. Just /system

HitNrun_ said:
i think with root but encrypted will do the update
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How do you get root while leaving it encrypted?

Arfyness said:
How do you get root while leaving it encrypted?
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No OTA update will flash with any mods to system, boot, or recovery. No way, no how.

Evolution_Tech said:
No OTA update will flash with any mods to system, boot, or recovery. No way, no how.
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Yeahhh I get that now. It's got to verify that what's already there matches what it's supposed to be updating.
I'm looking here because I'm on Fi now, and there are more implications there than I realized before. Not that those matter too much, I do want stock. Just trying to see how I can stay current, be rooted, and not break Fi. Thankfully it's a Nexus device so it's not throwing up insane device restrictions blocking root access.
I want to be able to update system and boot, as they come available, with a recovery like TWRP or CWM. Then reapply SuperSU flash after that. What I'm not sure of is whether I can even do that. I'm fuzzy on the whole " encrypted device" thing. Does that apply to the images at https://developers.google.com/android/nexus/images#shamu
Would I be hosed if I took the system and boot images and flash those to update from one version to the next?

Arfyness said:
Yeahhh I get that now. It's got to verify that what's already there matches what it's supposed to be updating.
I'm looking here because I'm on Fi now, and there are more implications there than I realized before. Not that those matter too much, I do want stock. Just trying to see how I can stay current, be rooted, and not break Fi. Thankfully it's a Nexus device so it's not throwing up insane device restrictions blocking root access.
I want to be able to update system and boot, as they come available, with a recovery like TWRP or CWM. Then reapply SuperSU flash after that. What I'm not sure of is whether I can even do that. I'm fuzzy on the whole " encrypted device" thing. Does that apply to the images at https://developers.google.com/android/nexus/images#shamu
Would I be hosed if I took the system and boot images and flash those to update from one version to the next?
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You absolutely can, it's just that if you wish to decrypt, you'll have to format data. I've had this device, since launch and I'm still encrypted. Not an issue for me. But you can just flash, individually, everything but userdata and keep your data intact, each time a new image becomes available. Then just flash TWRP and then SuoerSu from TWRP. If you've unencrypted, OTA won't flash. You can always update manually.

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Evolution_Tech said:
You absolutely can, it's just that if you wish to decrypt, you'll have to format data. I've had this device, since launch and I'm still encrypted. Not an issue for me. But you can just flash, individually, everything but userdata and keep your data intact, each time a new image becomes available. Then just flash TWRP and then SuoerSu from TWRP. If you've unencrypted, OTA won't flash. You can always update manually.
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Oohhh, wait, so flash from fastboot, except flash SuperSU from TWRP? (update.zip style?) Is only the data partition encrypted then? If that's the case why are folks decrypting? Unlocking the bootloader requires it, but what is that required for?
And thank you loads BTW! I'm so far behind! I'm coming off 3 years of rooted, stable SGS3 stock, last updated to 4.1.2. There were no further stock updates that I wanted, (too many bugs) and everything was working so I left well enough alone.
(I probably would have messed about with CM and other roms, if I had not initially bricked the thing trying to put TWRP on... and had to send it for somebody to JTAG reprogram it. Thought about it several times, but never wanted to chance it again.)
Thanks again!

Stock TMo US + Root + Xposed + TWRP

With the information to the title and with M coming soon, can I:
1) Update over the air?
2) Update over the air if I install a custom kernel?

Root, Xposed, TWRP, and a custom kernel will each make it so you can't install an OTA.

With that said, I'll have to keep doing fresh installs if I'm doing an ADB-like install with root, right? Or, can those be dirty flashed like you could with a custom recovery (no dirty flash from L to M, obviously)?

Don_Perrignon said:
With that said, I'll have to keep doing fresh installs if I'm doing an ADB-like install with root, right? Or, can those be dirty flashed like you could with a custom recovery (no dirty flash from L to M, obviously)?
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You basically have two options. Flash the necessary bits through fastboot. Google provides the factory images usually pretty quickly, sometimes before the OTAs even start going out. There are guides on the site on how to use fastboot, as well as guides on how to flash updates without wiping. Basically you just flash the necessary parts (kernel, radio, system, and perhaps bootloader), making sure not to use the -w flag and to not flash the userdata image.
Or wait until someone makes a TWRP flashable one, and use that.
You may not have to wipe if you are stock with root. If you are on a non-Google build, then you probably will need to wipe. There are things that can get screwy after an update though, so never say 100% for certain you won't need to wipe. Generally speaking though, you should be fine if you are on an official Google built ROM. You will likely have to re-root after you flash the update as well, but that should be as easy as flashing a zip in TWRP.
Another thing to consider, if you have removed encryption from your device, flashing the stock kernel will force encryption again if you allow it to boot into Android. So if you want to avoid that you will need to flash a compatible kernel that doesn't force encryption. If you are still encrypted, then it doesn't really matter.

cupfulloflol said:
You basically have two options. Flash the necessary bits through fastboot. Google provides the factory images usually pretty quickly, sometimes before the OTAs even start going out. There are guides on the site on how to use fastboot, as well as guides on how to flash updates without wiping. Basically you just flash the necessary parts (kernel, radio, system, and perhaps bootloader), making sure not to use the -w flag and to not flash the userdata image.
Or wait until someone makes a TWRP flashable one, and use that.
You may not have to wipe if you are stock with root. If you are on a non-Google build, then you probably will need to wipe. There are things that can get screwy after an update though, so never say 100% for certain you won't need to wipe. Generally speaking though, you should be fine if you are on an official Google built ROM. You will likely have to re-root after you flash the update as well, but that should be as easy as flashing a zip in TWRP.
Another thing to consider, if you have removed encryption from your device, flashing the stock kernel will force encryption again if you allow it to boot into Android. So if you want to avoid that you will need to flash a compatible kernel that doesn't force encryption. If you are still encrypted, then it doesn't really matter.
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Thank you!

Systemless root (Android 6.0) - Method for easy future OTA updates

I am looking for an easy way to be able to receive OTA updates after rooting with the 'systemless' root method, the steps I mention below assume that the system partition remains untouched after rooting. I have searched and not found a clear answer on this.
Would I be correct in assuming that this procedure should work to receive an OTA update and keep stock recovery after rooting?
Start with completely stock Android 6.0
fastboot boot twrp-recovery.img (boot TWRP, NOT flash, to maintain stock recovery after rooting)
Flash systemless root with TWRP
OTA arrives (Android 6.0.1 for example)
fastboot flash boot boot.img (with stock 6.0 kernel, root lost)
Accept & install OTA update
Success?
So unless I am missing something, this method would leave the system in a stock, unrooted state after the OTA is installed, and could be repeated for future updates. Anybody have any experience with this yet?

Sounds like it will work, but why mess with the ota? More work and risk honestly.
Since you're already using fastboot just flash the newest boot and system.img. Then flash/boot twrp and flash su like you'd need to do anyway. Done. You don't lose anything flashing system.

yosmokinman said:
Sounds like it will work, but why mess with the ota? More work and risk honestly.
Since you're already using fastboot just flash the newest boot and system.img. Then flash/boot twrp and flash su like you'd need to do anyway. Done. You don't lose anything flashing system.
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That is true, kind of just wondering/gathering information. It just seemed like with the new root method, OTA would be possible and less risky than before.
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@quakeaz there is one step missing on your guide. After boot.img you also have to flash stock recovery.img. From Lollipop, Google is also checking installed recovery, and for successful OTA, it has to be stock as well.
Otherwise, your guide should work, I've done same thing with my Nexus 5 and 7 for like last 3 months.

Srandista said:
@quakeaz there is one step missing on your guide. After boot.img you also have to flash stock recovery.img. From Lollipop, Google is also checking installed recovery, and for successful OTA, it has to be stock as well.
Otherwise, your guide should work, I've done same thing with my Nexus 5 and 7 for like last 3 months.
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Thanks for your reply, but I intentionally left that step out, due to step 2 in my list. By only booting TWRP, instead of flashing, I assume stock recovery will remain after rooting.
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quakeaz said:
Thanks for your reply, but I intentionally left that step out, due to step 2 in my list. By only booting TWRP, instead of flashing, I assume stock recovery will remain after rooting.
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Ah, sorry, I overlooked that.
Since I have flashed TWRP instead of stock recovery, I'm going by same process as you write, just reflash stock recovery. And can confirm, that the process is indeed working (no need to install system.img, as with previous system-based SuperSU).

Sounds good!
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quakeaz said:
I am looking for an easy way to be able to receive OTA updates after rooting with the 'systemless' root method, the steps I mention below assume that the system partition remains untouched after rooting. I have searched and not found a clear answer on this.
Would I be correct in assuming that this procedure should work to receive an OTA update and keep stock recovery after rooting?
Start with completely stock Android 6.0
fastboot boot twrp-recovery.img (boot TWRP, NOT flash, to maintain stock recovery after rooting)
Flash systemless root with TWRP
OTA arrives (Android 6.0.1 for example)
fastboot flash boot boot.img (with stock 6.0 kernel, root lost)
Accept & install OTA update
Success?
So unless I am missing something, this method would leave the system in a stock, unrooted state after the OTA is installed, and could be repeated for future updates. Anybody have any experience with this yet?
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Instead of fastboot flashing boot.img, you can use "Settings --> Full Unroot" in SuperSU. During SuperSU systemless flash, your old boot image is backed up. Among other things, the full unroot option will restore the backup, assuming it hasn't been lost due to a factory reset and whatnot.
On many firmwares, this procedure also restores stock recovery. This requires that both the firmware supports recreating the recovery from the boot image plus a patch file (most do), and that TWRP did not remove said patch file (which some versions do).
That being said, if you're using fastboot anyway, flashing boot, recovery, system and vendor manually is always the safest thing before an OTA.

Thanks for the info. So I take it while using systemless root, installing ota without unrooting is a big nono? The January ota just downloaded and is asking me to install, should I do it manually?

Chainfire said:
Instead of fastboot flashing boot.img, you can use "Settings --> Full Unroot" in SuperSU. During SuperSU systemless flash, your old boot image is backed up. Among other things, the full unroot option will restore the backup, assuming it hasn't been lost due to a factory reset and whatnot.
On many firmwares, this procedure also restores stock recovery. This requires that both the firmware supports recreating the recovery from the boot image plus a patch file (most do), and that TWRP did not remove said patch file (which some versions do).
That being said, if you're using fastboot anyway, flashing boot, recovery, system and vendor manually is always the safest thing before an OTA.
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Thank you for this thread and the procedure. I tried myself to avoid as much as possible to use a computer for super easy OTA update. But there is always one obligatory step: to root the phone.
Phone systemless rooted (2.66) - TWRP installed - OTA arrives.
In SuperSu app : Fully unroot
Install OTA - success
Fastboot boot (or install) TWRP
Flash superSu 2.66.zip
And that's it!
My question is the following: Does it exist a possibility to load on step 3. something that could flash superSu.zip from within the phone, no computer required?
Maybe FlashFire? I guess not, for it needs root and the point is to flash a rooting zip... You see the loop there...
Would it be theoreticaly possible at all?

Judim said:
Maybe FlashFire? I guess not, for it needs root and the point is to flash a rooting zip... You see the loop there...
Would it be theoreticaly possible at all?
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Yes, this is one of the use-cases of FlashFire. I just haven't finished updating it to 6.0 yet.

Oh nice!
I didn't know it cause I never had the chance to try out FlashFire.
Thanks so much for everything you do for the Android community!
Cheers!

Srandista said:
Ah, sorry, I overlooked that.
Since I have flashed TWRP instead of stock recovery, I'm going by same process as you write, just reflash stock recovery. And can confirm, that the process is indeed working (no need to install system.img, as with previous system-based SuperSU).
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mine fail here. i previously got systemless root 2.62, blu spark kernel and twrp. fastboot flash stock boot and recovery. reboot to update and it fail. any idea why?

ShanxRoux said:
mine fail here. i previously got systemless root 2.62, blu spark kernel and twrp. fastboot flash stock boot and recovery. reboot to update and it fail. any idea why?
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Did you modify system?
Try flashing system, boot, and recovery.
Then try again.

Hi, I have a Oneplus One and today has been released an OTA, so I tried the method. I have COS13 JK (latest full rom) firmware, with systemless 2.84beta supersu and twrp.
The only apps that have root access are AdAway and Greenify (without mods to system apps). No Busybox installed.
I reverted via fastboot to original JK boot.img and recovery.img, and restored, via Adaway, the original hosts file, then I applied the OTA via stock Cyano Recovery, but update failed ("system partition has unexpected contents" error).
Why?
Thanks.

you have to unroot first from the app.Revert to original boot. and then flash
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caldent said:
you have to unroot first from the app.Revert to original boot. and then flash
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I tried: no way to install OTA, I had to wait for the full rom, and dirty flashed it via TWRP without a problem.
Then I rerooted.
Bye!

ok i seem to be getting the run around on where i need to be to ask my question(s)
i am very interested in systemless root....
that being said i am clueless and all info i am findingis just super confusing me.
if someone could humor a noob to systemless rooting that would be greatly appreciated!!
i recently bought 2 new phone for my household, both are the lg tribute hd (also called lg x style)
one click root and pc method of kingoroot etc dont work... i cant locate a twrp or a cwm for this model easily by searching so i am assuming there isnt one (maybe someone could located or help to build one?)- or maybe im not tech smart enough and i can use any?(i dont think so)
model is lg ls675,android 6.0.1, kernel version 3.10.49, build # MXB48T, software is ls676zv3
main reason at the moment for trying to get root is to remove bloatware and to be able to wifi tether without limitations buy the provider, on ther phone that i have obtained root on i used an app called WIFI Tether Router which works beautifully but requires root...
please help as this is how we use our computer with internet and its beneficial all the way around especially to get rid of bloatware and keep device running smoothly...
thanks again for any help. greatly appreciated.
if im not in the right thread please kindly direct me to the correct one. thanks

Rooting without decrypting

This may be a question that has been asked and answered numerous times. Just got my nexus 6 and want to root and slap custom recovery on it. Must I decrypt the phone before doing so on net or c.f. Auto root? I've tried to root it but something isn't right. That's why I'm asking if I need to decrypt it before rooting. And My boot loader is unlocked. Thanks.

Since you have a Nexus Device, there is really no point using auto root methods as it is a lot easier just to flash SuperSU in twrp.
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And I can do all this encrypted? I had a nexus 5 previously and rooting that was easier. I want to keep encryption btw.

darklordofthesith said:
And I can do all this encrypted? I had a nexus 5 previously and rooting that was easier. I want to keep encryption btw.
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Yes you can stay encrypted. I am, lots of us are. You dont have to do anything different to stay encrypted. Unlock it, flash TWRP then flash systemless root with TWRP.
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Ill just grab The latest su beta. That should be sufficient. Also, if I want to change kernels, I'd need one that's encrypted right?

You mean one that supports device encryption, since an encrypted bootloader is a very bad thing. Just ask any AT&T device owner from the last two years.
To actually answer your question, I do believe that by default all kernels support device encryption. What is different in a custom kernel is whether that encryption is automatically applied or not.

unless you actively decrypt yourself, you are encrypted. to unencrypt, you have to flash a kernel that allows for decrypting, then format your whole phone/storage yourself. only then you will be decrypted. you can do any mod possible on a n6 while still encrypted.

So, if I want a new kernel, just find one that has forced encryption. I definitely want to keep my phone encrypted for safety reasons. Also, will that dreaded message pop up every time I reboot the phone about being corrupted? Also, what kernels force encryption. Thanks.

Very few custom kernels force encrypt, they leave the option to the end user like Simms said if you have a custom kernel and factory reset then it will unencrypt your phone.I'm encrypted and run stock Google images and Franco kernel

So, will I get that dreaded message of a corrupt device after doing everything? I

Well, tried to flash twrp 3.0.0.0 to no avail through nrt. It says it flashed it but every time I reboot to recovery, the stock recovery is still there. My boot loader is unlocked. What gives?

darklordofthesith said:
Well, tried to flash twrp 3.0.0.0 to no avail through nrt. It says it flashed it but every time I reboot to recovery, the stock recovery is still there. My boot loader is unlocked. What gives?
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dont use toolkits. you learn nothing and occasionally they dont work. you need to flash twrp through fastboot, while youre in the bootloader. and the line you write is fastboot flash recovery recoveryname.img

It used to work through nrt for my nexus 5. So what makes this different? Also can I use the image from nrt or should I download a fresh one.

darklordofthesith said:
It used to work through nrt for my nexus 5. So what makes this different? Also can I use the image from nrt or should I download a fresh one.
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many things could have broken the toolkit. that's why the far majority of people who actually know what they are doing say to not use toolkits. and why do you need another image? to root, you have to unlock your bootloader with fastboot, flash twrp with fastboot, then boot up with root.

darklordofthesith said:
So, will I get that dreaded message of a corrupt device after doing everything? I
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Not if you use systemless root. Or a kernel that is modified to avoid that message with the older style root. I have run stock and with Franco's kernel, both with systemless. Never had the message.
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I even tried to boot to twrp temporarily and it said that i had to modify the system because it was write protected. I never had this much issue with a nexus before.

when i boot into the temp twrp through nrt, i keep getting this keep system read only message. should i do what it says to do?

Do you want to keep it read only or do you want to modify it, your decision
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Just the system partition I should have been more specific

If I do that, it will still be encrypted and be able to root and install twrp? Without the dreaded corrupted message?

If you modify anything at all the message will show up,unless you run a custom kernel that disables it, and yes you will still be able to root and stay encrypted

THE root method. (any android version. yes 10 stable)

Alot of people still dont seem to understand or know how to root their devices and the help ppl find online can be misleading and sketchy. I just want to share this easy method to hopefully save some ppl from trying to do this or that and having bad results. This IS the common sense duh way to root. Use magisk to root it. Long as you got adb and fastboot on ur pc and the phone's bootloader is unlocked you can root like this...
1)download the magisk manager.
2)get the ota .zip file for the android version you are running.
3)get payload-dumperwin64.zip and unzip it.
4)unzip the ota.
5)put the payload.bin file from the ota into the input folder for payload dumper.
6)run payload dumper.
7)get the boot.img from the output folder of the payload dumper.
8)copy the boot.img to your phone.
9)open magisk manager.
10)press install, then install, then 'select and patch a file'.
11)select the boot.img
12)once the boot.img is patched it will be renamed magisk_patched.img, copy the magisk_patched.img to your computer.
13)start your phone in fastboot mode
14)on your computer open a command prompt and type 'fastboot flash boot (and the magisk_patched.img file location)'
15)once successful type 'fastboot reboot'
ROoT! Super easy right? And yes, it works with 10 stable. Just make sure to use magisk manager 20.1.
As far as twrp goes, you can try flashing it with magisk if you like, but I can't say whether or not it will work on 10 because I didnt bother. Twrp hasnt been very helpful to me on my 6T.
I know to a lot of us this is pretty common sense, but it looks like there are still a lot of ppl needing help getting rooted on 10 stable for some reason... Thats why I posted this. Don't hate. Help.

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To install TWRP,
download - android Q twrp img and the installer zip. Place the TWRP installer zip in your phone storage.
download magisk installer zip into your phone storage.
1. boot in fastboot, open command line in your PC.
2. flash twrp img - fastboot flash boot <your twrp>.img. You lose root and custom kernel here.
(fastboot boot <your twrp>.img for android 9.)
3. Reboot to recovery from phone's fastboot menu
4. install the <TWRP installer>.zip file in TWRP.
5. Reboot TWRP to flash magisk.
6. Flash <magisk installer>.zip in TWRP
7. Reboot system. Exit your command line on PC.
The end.

Can't we just flash Magisk on TWRP?

yot2703 said:
Can't we just flash Magisk on TWRP?
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Yea, but you tend to lose twrp upgrading to 10. I've seen ppl report having problems when they try the twrp q img. This way, there is no need for twrp. But if you successfully got twrp workin w/ 10, by all means go that route. I decided not to bother with twrp for now after one of my backups failed to be recoverable. The last straw. Lol.

e5p10nage said:
Yea, but you tend to lose twrp upgrading to 10. I've seen ppl report having problems when they try the twrp q img. This way, there is no need for twrp. But if you successfully got twrp workin w/ 10, by all means go that route. I decided not to bother with twrp for now after one of my backups failed to be recoverable. The last straw. Lol.
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Seeing as how I haven't made a reliable backup in TWRP/custom recoveries in like two years, I appreciate this route. Swift Backup and frequent OTG backups are enough for me, I just want root.

There is a new version of twrp, build .27 that is meant to fix backup / restore issues

Striatum_bdr said:
There is a new version of twrp, build .27 that is meant to fix backup / restore issues
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Gud to know. Does 'fastboot boot twrp.img' work with android 10 now with .27? Cuz it wasn't lettin me do it after the updgrade.

e5p10nage said:
Gud to know. Does 'fastboot boot twrp.img' work with android 10 now with .27? Cuz it wasn't lettin me do it after the updgrade.
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No it doesn't work at all forever. Fastboot is modified in 10 you must write 'fastboot flash boot file.img'

Is losing WiFi one of the bugs on Q? I had WiFi, but it won't stay on after I used this to root.

Doesn't work. Made image with latest Magisk Manager. I suspect it might be existing Magisk modules that make my phone boot loop, but without root and TWRP I can't get rid of them without a factory reset, which is what is recommended in the first place when using this method on A10. So this does not work.

UberFiend said:
Is losing WiFi one of the bugs on Q? I had WiFi, but it won't stay on after I used this to root.
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I have heard of that being a bug with Q. Just look it up on google. Lots of pixel owners havin that same issue. I didnt have this problem, so I am not sure what caused it or how to fix it. You FOR SURE used the boot.img from the ota you currently have installed? Anyway, I think I saw someone say something about the throttling in the developer settings.. IDK if that really has anything to do with it though.. Im sorry that happened though.

greentag said:
Doesn't work. Made image with latest Magisk Manager. I suspect it might be existing Magisk modules that make my phone boot loop, but without root and TWRP I can't get rid of them without a factory reset, which is what is recommended in the first place when using this method on A10. So this does not work.
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If you dont have root how or why do you have modules? This wasnt meant for upgrading.. This is meant for AFTER you have upgraded. Im not sure I understand what you are saying. Oh, and make sure to use the same ota you upgraded with btw.

e5p10nage said:
If you dont have root how or why do you have modules? This wasnt meant for upgrading.. This is meant for AFTER you have upgraded. Im not sure I understand what you are saying. Oh, and make sure to use the same ota you upgraded with btw.
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I upgraded from 9.17 to 10. I lost root and ability to flash Magisk, as I am not willing to factory reset, currently. When I was on 9, I had TWRP and root along with Magisk Modules. Just because you flash a stock boot image, doesn't mean that the folder Magisk modules are stored in doesn't exist. So when I upgraded, I had all those modules still stored.
When you try to patch and flash the stock boot image on 10, you're going to see allot of people complaining about boot loops. The current method to gain TWRP and root on 10 require you to factory reset, and my assumption is that it clears Magisk modules out. So if you use the method you posted, you're going to get boot loops, unless you factory reset beforehand. I tried the method posted before you made a post about it, and it is the same as now, boot loops, and being forced to flash stock 10 boot image.

greentag said:
I upgraded from 9.17 to 10. I lost root and ability to flash Magisk, as I am not willing to factory reset, currently. When I was on 9, I had TWRP and root along with Magisk Modules. Just because you flash a stock boot image, doesn't mean that the folder Magisk modules are stored in doesn't exist. So when I upgraded, I had all those modules still stored.
When you try to patch and flash the stock boot image on 10, you're going to see allot of people complaining about boot loops. The current method to gain TWRP and root on 10 require you to factory reset, and my assumption is that it clears Magisk modules out. So if you use the method you posted, you're going to get boot loops, unless you factory reset beforehand. I tried the method posted before you made a post about it, and it is the same as now, boot loops, and being forced to flash stock 10 boot image.
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This method I am talking about.. Should only be done after already successfully upgrading. Not as a method OF upgrading. What I mean is.. If youre tryin to do this on 10.. Then you need to upgrade to ten via the system update local upgrade method.. THEN patch the boot.img from the SAME exact ota.zip you used to local upgrade. If youre on 9.0.17 and you patch and flash a boot.img for 10, I would expect a boot loop. Maybe I am misunderstanding you.. IDK But for me, I HAD to factory reset to upgrade to 10. Im not sure why. I local upgraded with the ota, then my phone wouldnt boot up except into recovery mode. I hit factory reset, and it booted up fine. A couple days later I used the same ota to patch a boot.img and I fastboot flashed it, and it was smooth as butter. Root, no need to reset, no loss of data, no wifi issue... I am not sure what it is that is going wrong for some of you, but I wanna make sure you understand, this is not a way to keep root through the upgrade.. This is just a way to root without having twrp AFTER the upgrade. Or am I completely not getting what youre saying?

Tl;dr: this is not THE root method IMHO.
I would advise everyone to stay away from this payload-dumperwin64.zip as it produces following Virustotal results (7 detections). Even if they are false positives, it's a needlessly complex method considering the alternatives out there. In comparison, Magisk is 100% clean while that is essentially one major hack. Let's not forget that the recent update of this TWRP recovery has tackled the decryption issue and grants us back all access to system manipulation and troubleshooting root problems. If you ask me, that still is the root method.
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Timmmmaaahh said:
Tl;dr: this is notTHE root method IMHO.
I would advise everyone to stay away from this payload-dumperwin64.zip as it produces following Virustotal results (7 detections). Even if they are false positives, it's a needlessly complex method considering the alternatives out there. In comparison, Magisk is 100% clean while that is essentially one major hack. Let's not forget that the recent update of this TWRP recovery has tackled the decryption issue and grants us back all access to system manipulation and troubleshooting root problems. If you ask me, that still is the root method.
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Not everyone wants to have to deal with twrp. Especially after being screwed over by it before the new .27 or whatever. Also, it doesnt have to be that specific payload dumper. Any payload dumper you decide to use is fine. Thats just the one I used. And actually I went and looked and found these instructions from the magisk gitHub:
https://github.com/topjohnwu/Magisk/blob/master/docs/install.md#boot-image-patching

e5p10nage said:
Not everyone wants to have to deal with twrp. Especially after being screwed over by it before the new .27 or whatever. Also, it doesnt have to be that specific payload dumper. Any payload dumper you decide to use is fine. Thats just the one I used. And actually I went and looked and found these instructions from the magisk gitHub:
https://github.com/topjohnwu/Magisk/blob/master/docs/install.md#boot-image-patching
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Heres what it says:
"Boot Image Patching
You would want to choose this method if either your device does not have custom recoveries, your device is A/B and you don't want to mix recovery and boot images, or your device is using system-as-root without A/B partitions.
To use this method, you are required to obtain a copy of the stock boot/recovery image, which can be found by extracting OEM provided factory images or extracting from OTA update zips. If you are unable to obtain one yourself, you might be able to find it somewhere on the internet."

e5p10nage said:
Heres what it says:
"Boot Image Patching
You would want to choose this method if either your device does not have custom recoveries, your device is A/B and you don't want to mix recovery and boot images, or your device is using system-as-root without A/B partitions.
To use this method, you are required to obtain a copy of the stock boot/recovery image, which can be found by extracting OEM provided factory images or extracting from OTA update zips. If you are unable to obtain one yourself, you might be able to find it somewhere on the internet."
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The payload dumper thing I was talking about is a method of obtaining the boot.img from the ota on your own instead of looking for one on the web. Doesnt matter what payload dumper you use, that was just the one I found. Hopefully this makes it a lil more clear.

e5p10nage said:
This method I am talking about.. Should only be done after already successfully upgrading. Not as a method OF upgrading. What I mean is.. If youre tryin to do this on 10.. Then you need to upgrade to ten via the system update local upgrade method.. THEN patch the boot.img from the SAME exact ota.zip you used to local upgrade. If youre on 9.0.17 and you patch and flash a boot.img for 10, I would expect a boot loop. Maybe I am misunderstanding you.. IDK But for me, I HAD to factory reset to upgrade to 10. Im not sure why. I local upgraded with the ota, then my phone wouldnt boot up except into recovery mode. I hit factory reset, and it booted up fine. A couple days later I used the same ota to patch a boot.img and I fastboot flashed it, and it was smooth as butter. Root, no need to reset, no loss of data, no wifi issue... I am not sure what it is that is going wrong for some of you, but I wanna make sure you understand, this is not a way to keep root through the upgrade.. This is just a way to root without having twrp AFTER the upgrade. Or am I completely not getting what youre saying?
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I said I upgraded. It's literally the first thing I said.
I upgraded the same way everyone else did. Using Oxygen Updater from the Playstore, then local upgrade. I did not factory reset, however, like you did.
The method you posted only works if you factory reset after the OS 10 upgrade.
There's already a method to upgrade and keep data, while also keeping TWRP and root, but there are a number of hoops to jump through.

greentag said:
I said I upgraded. It's literally the first thing I said.
I upgraded the same way everyone else did. Using Oxygen Updater from the Playstore, then local upgrade. I did not factory reset, however, like you did.
The method you posted only works if you factory reset after the OS 10 upgrade.
There's already a method to upgrade and keep data, while also keeping TWRP and root, but there are a number of hoops to jump through.
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I see. Well I am glad you pointed this out cuz I wasnt aware of the need to factory reset. The only reason I did is because after the local upgrade my phone wouldnt boot to anything but recovery UNLESS I reset it. So I didnt have an option not to really. I was rooted with twrp on 9.0.17, got the ota from oxy updater, local updated, just like ya said you did. Not sure why it wouldnt boot after that without the reset. Im not entirely sure that it is 100% needed to factory reset to root this way though. Ive talked to other people who tried this and said they had no problem. Then Ive also talked to other people who have. I feel like there are some variables we arent considering at work here. But thank you for pointing this out. The only goal I have here is to be helpful, so all problems with this method also need to be part of the conversation. So I appreciate it.