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Firstly, please don't get me wrong here. Im not trolling in the slightest and I really appreciate all the work the devs do here.
With the HTC One having such high specs is there really any need to flash custom Roms? In my opinion all of them seem the same and don't look or feel any different to the stock rom on the One. The only benefit I can see is for Root access.
Im sure there is a lot of "under the hood" tweaks that are done but are these really noticeable or beneficial to the end user? Other peoples thoughts would be interesting.
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Firstly, please don't get me wrong here. Im not trolling in the slightest and I really appreciate all the work the devs do here.
With the HTC One having such high specs is there really any need to flash custom Roms? In my opinion all of them seem the same and don't look or feel any different to the stock rom on the One. The only benefit I can see is for Root access.
Im sure there is a lot of "under the hood" tweaks that are done but are these really noticeable or beneficial to the end user? Other peoples thoughts would be interesting.
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Actually yes, I wish to get CM working fully on HTC One.
It gives us an alternate experience than what HTC wanted us to.
Best of all, you don't have to wait so long for HTC to update their phones.
Especially when they abandon the One, we rely on CM.
But I'm really hoping for the success of the One, nobody could resist the look and feel of the One.
Livebyte said:
Actually yes, I wish to get CM working fully on HTC One.
It gives us an alternate experience than what HTC wanted us to.
Best of all, you don't have to wait so long for HTC to update their phones.
Especially when they abandon the One, we rely on CM.
But I'm really hoping for the success of the One, nobody could resist the look and feel of the One.
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I totally agree the updates and the benefit of getting rid on Sense if you dont like it is a real benefit. But is there a need for multiple Sense custom roms?
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I totally agree the updates and the benefit of getting rid on Sense if you dont like it is a real benefit. But is there a need for multiple Sense custom roms?
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That's subjective I guess. But for something like example HTC DROID DNA or Butterfly, Sense 5 gets ported before HTC did. So I guess it's also a huge benefit.
Earlier updates is the main reason why I will be rooting, these phone networks take ages to update it's unavailable!!
Also there are some very nice skinned roms out there
I won't be unlocking my bootloader for a while. Not until I am at least sure that my device is working 100% and that will take a couple of weeks. I was eager to root it etc but I was reading about HTC's warranty and it seems as though it is a very long winded process. Maybe you wish to do the same?
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I won't be unlocking my bootloader for a while. Not until I am at least sure that my device is working 100% and that will take a couple of weeks. I was eager to root it etc but I was reading about HTC's warranty and it seems as though it is a very long winded process. Maybe you wish to do the same?
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yep ill be in no hurry either.
when i finally get a device im happy with yea i will root and flash custom rom, but not CM - Sense 5 is great and IMO is much better than stock JB - there are a few minor things I would like added, but I have no doubt they will be added to custom sense 5 roms in due course.
to me, there is no point in being a flashaholic. flash the latest stable base, and then keep up with custom kernels for battery.
thats me, idk bout u guys
Personally something that will push me over the unlock bootloader line is when either when A) IF the HTC logo can become mapped as a button, or B) A full relock becomes available lol
For me, absolutely. I consider some features (such as long press vol key to skip tracks) essential. There are also always some visual things I like to change no matter how well it is made
I just need root to enable volume key wake, and ill want to remap the keys. Everything else looks flawless
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do you need root etc. to install flash on ONE ?
ChazyChaz said:
do you need root etc. to install flash on ONE ?
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No. To my knowledge, the built in browser has flash support.
What about Wi-Fi hotspot support?
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While there's obviously no NEED, a lot of people will prefer to flash ROMs for a variety of different reasons.
I'd say the main reasons are;
*The ability to have a pure AOSP look which is preferred by a lot of people (especially those who come from a Nexus device). Also, a lot of people don't like the look/feel of Sense and will therefore want to change the UI to something which is more preferable to them.
I, for example, have never tried Sense before and could quite possibly hate it once I finally test it. On the flip side of that, I may love it but at least custom ROMs will give me the ability to completely change the UI whilst giving me a ton more customizations and optimizations than a custom launcher would do.
*As mentioned at the end of the first reason, customization is a huge part of what a lot of people do with their devices. For example, when I had my SGS2 I used to love the ability to flash a simple ROM and have a ton of customization at my fingertips, so I could edit the look of my phone to my hearts content.
*Some people are simply flashaholics and have ORD (Obsessive ROM-flashing/updating Disorder). I'll normally flash every ROM in sight if the device is new and there aren't many ROMs available yet. This way it gives me a good early decision as to what type of ROM I'd prefer on said device. However, once the device starts getting more development and more ROMs start appearing in quick succession, I'll then make my mind up about which ROM to choose and generally won't change ROM for the vast majority of the devices lifetime.
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I unlocked, rooted and flashed now because in a few months time the phone will be setup perfectly; all the right apps, all the right data, all in the right place (and HTC might of discovered a way to do a Sensation on us (S-Off))
With the phone rooted I can be relatively confident of getting it back to my currently backed up state after any major updates (and, when I finally install some games, get their progress restored as well)
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Sense means HTC. I don't see any reason to buy HTC if I'm not gonna use sense.
Because HTC makes great hardware. I buy HTC exclusively, but I rip sense off it ASAP and put AOKP or CM or something without sense. Nexus devices are generally not top of the line hardware, they're supposed to be a benchmark for development (i.e. midrange). That said, N4 has more impressive specs than usual, but I can't imagine buying an LG phone. I have never realized LG even made smartphones, only flip phones until the N4 was released.
Still, HTC makes best hardware, I just generally don't like sense. That said, sense 5 does look interesting.
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Having options is nice!
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Sense means HTC. I don't see any reason to buy HTC if I'm not gonna use sense.
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To a certain extent, yes, I agree with you on that statement. However, sometimes you just need a change and it is nice to have the option of running AOSP roms as well. I would much rather go back and forth between Sense/AOSP than TouchWiz/AOSP after having my GS3.
No. Roms are for old devices. Lol
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Long time Android user here. I'm debating on whether or not I'd like to pull the trigger and root/flash a custom ROM to my brand new Nexus 6 (seriously, still has that new-phone smell). My girlfriend and I both got these beauties the same day and love them to pieces.
However...
Coming from a rooted/customized S3 and M7 I'm already missing the customization features that rooting devices allowed. Although I wouldn't have any issues doing so, I'm a bit concerned with potential bugs that could occur while using custom ROMs.
For instance, when I bought my M7, before I rooted it, the call quality was phenomenal. Then after rooting/flashing a custom OS, the quality seemed to drop substantially. No matter which ROM/kernel sets I used, there were always data and/or performance issues including, but not limited to, Pandora app skipping even when data (LTE) was at max reception.
I'm not asking which custom ROM is better as that would be a "to each their own" situation. I've, personally, been a fan of Liquid Smooth and ran it as a daily driver for my S3 (and ViperOne for my M7), but from what I've seen in the development pages there are quite a few ROMs I'd like to try out.
I wanted to see what people who've already rooted and flashed custom ROMs thought of their Nexus 6 post-awesomizing. Did the call quality change? Other than listed ROM bugs, were there any frequent issues that continued through various ROMs and kernel combinations?
Thanks, in advance, to anyone and everyone who replies!
Cheers,
Blue
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Long time Android user here. I'm debating on whether or not I'd like to pull the trigger and root/flash a custom ROM to my brand new Nexus 6 (seriously, still has that new-phone smell). My girlfriend and I both got these beauties the same day and love them to pieces.
However...
Coming from a rooted/customized S3 and M7 I'm already missing the customization features that rooting devices allowed. Although I wouldn't have any issues doing so, I'm a bit concerned with potential bugs that could occur while using custom ROMs.
For instance, when I bought my M7, before I rooted it, the call quality was phenomenal. Then after rooting/flashing a custom OS, the quality seemed to drop substantially. No matter which ROM/kernel sets I used, there were always data and/or performance issues including, but not limited to, Pandora app skipping even when data (LTE) was at max reception.
I'm not asking which custom ROM is better as that would be a "to each their own" situation. I've, personally, been a fan of Liquid Smooth and ran it as a daily driver for my S3 (and ViperOne for my M7), but from what I've seen in the development pages there are quite a few ROMs I'd like to try out.
I wanted to see what people who've already rooted and flashed custom ROMs thought of their Nexus 6 post-awesomizing. Did the call quality change? Other than listed ROM bugs, were there any frequent issues that continued through various ROMs and kernel combinations?
Thanks, in advance, to anyone and everyone who replies!
Cheers,
Blue
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The problem with HTC and Samsung devices, is that they are not truly open source. For a "dev" to get an AOSP ROM built for those devices can be quite an ordeal and can require many hacks to be made and many bugs will be found trying to get the AOSP source code to fit that device... The Nexus does not have this problem as AOSP is designed for it. Even a monkey could compile a bug free AOSP rom for the nexus, so don't worry about that sort of thing.
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The problem with HTC and Samsung devices, is that they are not truly open source. For a "dev" to get an AOSP ROM built for those devices can be quite an ordeal and can require many hacks to be made and many bugs will be found trying to get the AOSP source code to fit that device... The Nexus does not have this problem as AOSP is designed for it. Even a monkey could compile a bug free AOSP rom for the nexus, so don't worry about that sort of thing.
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That's quite a relief to read. So there hasn't been any known issues with the call quality suffering? That is my biggest concern as with my HTC (post root/flash) the call quality was horrendous! It sounded like the person on the other line was constantly mumbling. The quality on the Nexus 6, as of now, is so crisp and clear it sounds as if they're sitting right next to me.
I'll definitely be looking forward to trying out the various ROMs available.
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That's quite a relief to read. So there hasn't been any known issues with the call quality suffering? That is my biggest concern as with my HTC (post root/flash) the call quality was horrendous! It sounded like the person on the other line was constantly mumbling. The quality on the Nexus 6, as of now, is so crisp and clear it sounds as if they're sitting right next to me.
I'll definitely be looking forward to trying out the various ROMs available.
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Yep, with a nexus those sort of issues should be a thing of the past. HTC are particularly bad as on teh M7, they themselves couldn't even get GPE to run properly (Speaker quality took a tumble).
Also, you may not know but Xposed framework just came out with an Alpha. In a short while, it wil get more stable and modules will get updated for Lollipop, meaning you will probably be able to add much of that customisation without changing from the stock rom.
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Yep, with a nexus those sort of issues should be a thing of the past. HTC are particularly bad as on teh M7, they themselves couldn't even get GPE to run properly (Speaker quality took a tumble).
Also, you may not know but Xposed framework just came out with an Alpha. In a short while, it wil get more stable and modules will get updated for Lollipop, meaning you will probably be able to add much of that customisation without changing from the stock rom.
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I've heard of the manufacturer UI's getting in the way of performance with devices. I'm glad I went with the pure Google goodness this time! I'll keep an eye on Xposed, but I think you've helped my decision in rooting today.
Now to impatiently wait for work to be over and rush home to my laptop!
bb2si said:
I've heard of the manufacturer UI's getting in the way of performance with devices. I'm glad I went with the pure Google goodness this time! I'll keep an eye on Xposed, but I think you've helped my decision in rooting today.
Now to impatiently wait for work to be over and rush home to my laptop!
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Good luck.
It is also my personal recommendation that you don't use a toolkit and you use fastboot natively..
rootSU said:
Good luck.
It is also my personal recommendation that you don't use a toolkit and you use fastboot natively..
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Always do! Already have links saved to my email for how-to's and how-not to's.
Thanks for your input!
bb2si said:
Long time Android user here. I'm debating on whether or not I'd like to pull the trigger and root/flash a custom ROM to my brand new Nexus 6 (seriously, still has that new-phone smell). My girlfriend and I both got these beauties the same day and love them to pieces.
However...
Coming from a rooted/customized S3 and M7 I'm already missing the customization features that rooting devices allowed. Although I wouldn't have any issues doing so, I'm a bit concerned with potential bugs that could occur while using custom ROMs.
For instance, when I bought my M7, before I rooted it, the call quality was phenomenal. Then after rooting/flashing a custom OS, the quality seemed to drop substantially. No matter which ROM/kernel sets I used, there were always data and/or performance issues including, but not limited to, Pandora app skipping even when data (LTE) was at max reception.
I'm not asking which custom ROM is better as that would be a "to each their own" situation. I've, personally, been a fan of Liquid Smooth and ran it as a daily driver for my S3 (and ViperOne for my M7), but from what I've seen in the development pages there are quite a few ROMs I'd like to try out.
I wanted to see what people who've already rooted and flashed custom ROMs thought of their Nexus 6 post-awesomizing. Did the call quality change? Other than listed ROM bugs, were there any frequent issues that continued through various ROMs and kernel combinations?
Thanks, in advance, to anyone and everyone who replies!
Cheers,
Blue
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It's Nexus man The best dev support is available for Nexus devices All ROMs has bugs and you'll have to bear with it. But the ROMs for Nexus devices meet stable version sooner than others. Taking Parandroid Android as an example. Visit their website and you'll be able to find that the main team focus on the Nexus line and they've legacy team to support other devices. I was also an user of S3 (Exynos variant) and PA used to be a great custom ROM for me
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It's Nexus man The best dev support is available for Nexus devices All ROMs has bugs and you'll have to bear with it. But the ROMs for Nexus devices meet stable version sooner than others. Taking Parandroid Android as an example. Visit their website and you'll be able to find that the main team focus on the Nexus line and they've legacy team to support other devices. I was also an user of S3 (Exynos variant) and PA used to be a great custom ROM for me
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Yes I suppose a caveat to what I have already said, there will still be bugs on roms due to devs making customisations and you will see their bugs potentially. When I say bug free, I'm just talking about a clean AOSP rom affecting the fundamentals of the device.
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Yes I suppose a caveat to what I have already said, there will still be bugs on roms due to devs making customisations and you will see their bugs potentially. When I say bug free, I'm just talking about a clean AOSP rom affecting the fundamentals of the device.
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Yeah. The awesome dev support is the only thing which made me to ditch Note 4 And I'm evidencing that custom ROMs has less Major bugs than stock ROM LOL :silly:
bb2si said:
That's quite a relief to read. So there hasn't been any known issues with the call quality suffering? That is my biggest concern as with my HTC (post root/flash) the call quality was horrendous! It sounded like the person on the other line was constantly mumbling. The quality on the Nexus 6, as of now, is so crisp and clear it sounds as if they're sitting right next to me.
I'll definitely be looking forward to trying out the various ROMs available.
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I'm currently running Euphoria OS on my N6. It is based on CM12, and offers a lot of customization options without actually having to enable root. I've been running it for almost a month now, and I have yet to feel a need to go into Developer Options and flip the switch for root access.
From a call quality standpoint, we are all running the same radio versions, so it will come down to your area. I work in an area where T-Mobile is spotty (my building specifically, LTE is stupid fast outside of it) and so I'm eagerly awaiting the update which adds WiFi Calling to AOSP. As it stands now, my phone does activate HD Voice and show an indicator icon in the dialer when I'm on with another T-Mobile user.
Maybe I can use this to convince my girlfriend to let me root hers, as well. She's never had an unlocked device before and she's very cautious about it, but I'm sure I could convince her.
Thanks again, all!
Quick question, does any one have a good recommendation on a guide to root my n6 I don't want to use a tool kit because I'm hearing its better to do root through fastboot if that's correct. I've been rooting phone for some time now but I've only dealt with fastboot once before with an HTC device. All my other devices where s2 to s5. And I usually used chainfires tool kits. So could someone please set me in right direction as far as guides go? Thanks
beachbum40 said:
Quick question, does any one have a good recommendation on a guide to root my n6 I don't want to use a tool kit because I'm hearing its better to do root through fastboot if that's correct. I've been rooting phone for some time now but I've only dealt with fastboot once before with an HTC device. All my other devices where s2 to s5. And I usually used chainfires tool kits. So could someone please set me in right direction as far as guides go? Thanks
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If you already have TWRP installed, just flash SuperSU. It used to require an insecure boot image due to Lollipop's security features removing root on each boot, but now the new SuperSU injects root each time.
beachbum40 said:
Quick question, does any one have a good recommendation on a guide to root my n6 I don't want to use a tool kit because I'm hearing its better to do root through fastboot if that's correct. I've been rooting phone for some time now but I've only dealt with fastboot once before with an HTC device. All my other devices where s2 to s5. And I usually used chainfires tool kits. So could someone please set me in right direction as far as guides go? Thanks
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Its pretty simple.
Use fastboot to unlock bootloader (wipes device]
use fastboot to flash TWRP recovery
Put SuperSU zip on sdcard and flash that via TWRP recovery.
There are guides in general. The main thing is understanding using fastboot. I have a thread on that.
Go to general > all in one thread > question 28
Thank you for quick response guys? Rooting today can't take it anymore.
NotATreoFan said:
I'm currently running Euphoria OS on my N6. It is based on CM12, and offers a lot of customization options without actually having to enable root. I've been running it for almost a month now, and I have yet to feel a need to go into Developer Options and flip the switch for root access.
From a call quality standpoint, we are all running the same radio versions, so it will come down to your area. I work in an area where T-Mobile is spotty (my building specifically, LTE is stupid fast outside of it) and so I'm eagerly awaiting the update which adds WiFi Calling to AOSP. As it stands now, my phone does activate HD Voice and show an indicator icon in the dialer when I'm on with another T-Mobile user.
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Why do you need a specific custom ROM for many customization when there is Xposed available now?
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beachbum40 said:
Quick question, does any one have a good recommendation on a guide to root my n6 I don't want to use a tool kit because I'm hearing its better to do root through fastboot if that's correct. I've been rooting phone for some time now but I've only dealt with fastboot once before with an HTC device. All my other devices where s2 to s5. And I usually used chainfires tool kits. So could someone please set me in right direction as far as guides go? Thanks
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This thread can help you further
bb2si said:
Maybe I can use this to convince my girlfriend to let me root hers, as well. She's never had an unlocked device before and she's very cautious about it, but I'm sure I could convince her.
Thanks again, all!
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Tell her no sex if you can't root her phone!
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Why do you need a specific custom ROM for many customization when there is Xposed available now?
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Well xposed is Alpha - not ready for public consumption.
Also, xposed module features are never as good as ones compiled directly into the ROMs. They're just not as efficient. Xposed doesn't replace the need for custom ROMs.
rootSU said:
Well xposed is Alpha - not ready for public consumption.
Also, xposed module features are never as good as ones compiled directly into the ROMs. They're just not as efficient. Xposed doesn't replace the need for custom ROMs.
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Well, Xposed is working flawlessly on nexus 5 and 6 without causing any issue That's why suggested Yeah, that doesn't replace the need of custom ROM but that actually add more feature of user's choice
I'm looking for functionality, little or no bugs, I am looking to stick as close to stock as possible with the option to customize if I wanted to. I know there are a ton of ROMs and I could spend ages scouring them for the one that might be right for me.
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I'm looking for functionality, little or no bugs, I am looking to stick as close to stock as possible with the option to customize if I wanted to. I know there are a ton of ROMs and I could spend ages scouring them for the one that might be right for me.
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Did you install twrp also? You will need that to flash anything... might want to back up what you currently have before flashing also. If you like the stock feel, you can always wait until xposed comes out of alpha and start your customizing with it too.... lots of good info here if your not familiar with it. As far as UI is concerned you don't necessarily have to flash a custom rom, you always try a few different launchers on for size first.... Nova is pretty popular apex is another.... I am using action 3 right now which I like...
I would suggest clean ROM for a very stock like experience and then install MCR mod pack. This is my setup and I love it.
Cleanrom and sinless. Both stockish and super stable.
Stock. If you're not going to try for yourself, then you shouldn't go sheep.
OP you should really look around the development forums, you can't expect what works for other people to work for you as well. Usually down the line, you'll have a question and you'll want to be searching for the answers, not to ask others for the answer when the answer to your question has already been answered.
Everything in life, you can't just ask for it. Similarly to your decision to purchase what car, what college you want to apply to, etc... all of that you can't just ask someone. That's something for you to determine for yourself. Except the difference here is that all ROMs and kernels are free, be adventurous and try them all out (or at least the ones you found interest into).
My recommendation to this is to look at ROMs based on the following criterias,
- Popularity... how popular is the thread? Why is it popular?
- How frequently does it get updated? Do I like to flash ROM updates daily/weekly?
- Read the last couple of pages (or skim) and see what other users have been saying about the ROM
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I'm looking for functionality, little or no bugs, I am looking to stick as close to stock as possible with the option to customize if I wanted to. I know there are a ton of ROMs and I could spend ages scouring them for the one that might be right for me.
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Euphoria OS
Parandroid Android
LiquidSmooth
Chroma
Bliss Pop
SlimLP
Dirty Unicorns
And there will be always the buggy Cyanogenmod :silly:
I run Paranoid Android and FAUX kernel with the recommended faux settings and love it.
Everyone will have different taste nobody is the same I use euphoria its like the best ROM I ever used since custom Roms were out
Hi guys,
I know its really hard to create a new ROM and updating it and giving to users. But since the launch of Android 5.0 Lollipop I don't find difference between all major ROMs.
If there is difference, it is of the Bugs. Some ROMs got big bugs and some with small bugs. But rest is same. The looks the feel, everything same (Except MIUI - which is not on Android 5.0).
I have tried almost all of them. Thanks to all the devs. But my question is there any ROM which is unique???
I am getting same functions in all of them with same looks Even they are same in smoothness and working.
The difference is created by Cyanogen ROMs with theme engine, but now all ROMs now include that theme engine. So we are basically using the same ROM everywhere.
At the moment I am using DirtyUnicorn and I don't want to change because all the ROMs are same.
Is there any ROM which is unique??????? Any?????
Don't say that I should change theme or launcher. It just makes the availability of ROMs a joke.
I am still waiting for MIUI or Lewa if it arrives.
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Don't say that I should change theme or launcher. It just makes the availability of ROMs a joke.
I am still waiting for MIUI or Lewa if it arrives.
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If you dont like them then by all means make one yourself. Just wait MIUI is also gonna look alot like the rest. Android is made for you to change things to make it your own. So use a launcher and a custom theme or make your own rom.
Also if you are looking for verity then you should not have gotten a nexus. Get a Touchwiz or Sense device. This way you have more options.
See I do agree with you. Most roms are pretty similar when compared to back in the days of A4.2.
What I think is more important is the choice of kernel. Allowing the ability to over/underclock and control voltages automatically and many other things. I think learning how to use a kernel and it's various governers is what will separate phones.
I dont know why so little roms have cm profiles. It's a feature that have much more benefits than any theme engine
I'm a Brazilian without English Course, sorry and be comprehensive
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If you dont like them then by all means make one yourself. Just wait MIUI is also gonna look alot like the rest. Android is made for you to change things to make it your own. So use a launcher and a custom theme or make your own rom.
Also if you are looking for verity then you should not have gotten a nexus. Get a Touchwiz or Sense device. This way you have more options.
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See the second post.
I am not against devs and ROMs, but my only thought is that they are all same.
Even once we used to have great Paranoid ROMs with great features, but now it is nothing but same as all CMs.
With Android 5.0 Google has done something that is now killing Custom ROMs. The ROMs are becoming similar or I should say same.
MIUI is different because they are doing different, but all others are just mixing functions and giving you CM ROMs.
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See the second post.
I am not against devs and ROMs, but my only thought is that they are all same.
Even once we used to have great Paranoid ROMs with great features, but now it is nothing but same as all CMs.
With Android 5.0 Google has done something that is now killing Custom ROMs. The ROMs are becoming similar or I should say same.
MIUI is different because they are doing different, but all others are just mixing functions and giving you CM ROMs.
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Well first thing is MIUI is not really different. They are just coping others as well. Notice how they are still on KK? Yes many features are the Same in alot of roms and that is because users have come to expect those and Devs are working like crazy to get them moved up to 5.0 and working. As for them giving you CM roms that is where your wrong. Many have completely ditched CM roms sources due to their dumb ways of merging untested code.
I wont even talk about Paranoid android. They never came up with anything original.
Android at the base is all supposed to look the same. This is what Google Whats and got it with the nasty thing they call the Material design.
I saw your second post. My answer will still be the same. The days of themed roms are over. You are given a clean base to make it your way. So take that and make it yours with a theme and launchers and such.
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Well first thing is MIUI is not really different. They are just coping others as well. Notice how they are still on KK? Yes many features are the Same in alot of roms and that is because users have come to expect those and Devs are working like crazy to get them moved up to 5.0 and working. As for them giving you CM roms that is where your wrong. Many have completely ditched CM roms sources due to their dumb ways of merging untested code.
I wont even talk about Paranoid android. They never came up with anything original.
Android at the base is all supposed to look the same. This is what Google Whats and got it with the nasty thing they call the Material design.
I saw your second post. My answer will still be the same. The days of themed roms are over. You are given a clean base to make it your way. So take that and make it yours with a theme and launchers and such.
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What I really love about MIUI is that they are working in completely different manner. They are working hard on including new features and providing new looks and with a big market for customization.
Whereas CM are great too, and they are the base ROMs for maybe all the ROMs we are using right now.
I don't think Paranoid didn't did anything new, they gave us Hybrid ROMs. But with Android 5.0, they no more my favorites.
gautam.is.sharma said:
What I really love about MIUI is that they are working in completely different manner. They are working hard on including new features and providing new looks and with a big market for customization.
Whereas CM are great too, and they are the base ROMs for maybe all the ROMs we are using right now.
I don't think Paranoid didn't did anything new, they gave us Hybrid ROMs. But with Android 5.0, they no more my favorites.
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Almost no ROMs are using cm as a base any more. Miui is just taking ideas from iOS. They are even working on a whole new setup so they can release devices in the us without apple sue them out of business.
zelendel said:
Almost no ROMs are using cm as a base any more. Miui is just taking ideas from iOS. They are even working on a whole new setup so they can release devices in the us without apple sue them out of business.
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Copying is what they are doing for themes. I don't think that's bad. iOS is more Android, so if MIUI is copying the design then it's not the issue. Their environment is different. So do CMs.
gautam.is.sharma said:
Copying is what they are doing for themes. I don't think that's bad. iOS is more Android, so if MIUI is copying the design then it's not the issue. Their environment is different. So do CMs.
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So let me get this straight. You think coping is ok yet dont like that all the roms "seem" the same to you?
IOS is more Android?
Your right their environment is different. They dont care what users want or say.
Cm is not even worth mentioning anymore really. They are fast becoming just as big a joke as MIUI in the android world. No one with any real thoughts of their own even use their roms anymore.
The problem is that we all think that the developers actually develop something.
The matter of the fact is that they only tinker with what Google gave them.
So I wouldn't hold my breath for a sense like rom that has its own framework.
No one has got time for that. Big things come from big companies. Or maybe from a team of good friends.
A long time a go a bunch of people gave us Theme Engine, Hybrid Mode, Profiles, PIE, Heads-up, Immersive mode and lots of stuff that was new at the time. I really believe that the creative process is, has been and will be strong on XDA - Developers... but i agree with the OP albeit for different reasons.
I think that as technology, products or processes are understood better, being innovative, creative or "disruptive" becomes harder:
1.- We (the consumer) demand a series of features that become standarized which tramples innovation
2.-And there is the thing with the source material P.E. There is so much a thinkerer can do with a hammer a 2x4 and a couple of nails... Same with android.
3.- As a technology matures the innovation rate diminishes. Look at clocks, TV, videogames or smartphones! Every year there are new models, but little game changing technology even when there are hundred of people working on with, fully paid and with the backing of big companies.
Science and technology advance is not linear... I think that we are on a low point on ROM innovation but to me, that only means that soon somebody will come up with something new and great.
Android roms are same?
Yes they are with a little difference in each and every rom ..coz they are built from the same mother source...AOSP...
Google itself builds it factory images from aosp with touch of google changes...
Every oem uses the aosp and modifies it to make sense, touchwiz, zenui etc etc...
Things have certainly changed in past few years when we only had cm pa pac man ..
Now we have 100s of options ..some developers even kind enough to merge our 'wanted' changes in their rom.
So instead of looking at this thing as 'all are same with little changes' , look it as a 'single thing with 100s of options/modifications' to exactly suit your needs.
Yes its confusing sometimes especially when you are a nexus user
Try a different oem if u want a great change on changing custom roms (migrating from touchwiz to vanilla android gives a wow feeling )
Of course they're 100 pretty much exactly the same roms out there. It's really hard to notice any difference among them. It´s all true. Also calling every room-cooker a developer is in my opinion little too much.
It's been already stated that if you want more variation is better to go for oem devices. however probably at the price of never getting fully working aosp/cm rom (unles we're talking about gpe devices). If you want variation go for flagship oems if you want to enjoy aosp go for nexus.
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Do you think all ROMs are basically same in Android 5.0??
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"Same" is a relative term like "IS".
A relative term is that it is different for different people or situations. An example: someone who is 5 feet tall might think someone who is 5 feet six inches tall is tall, but someone who is 6 feet would think that that person is short.
So I voted no, I don't think all ROM's are the same but they are definitely very similar.
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~Peace
Agreed, there does not seem to be a lot of innovation in Lollipop ROM features. I have tried Euphoria, TeamUB, crDroid, Slim, RastaPOP, OminROM and XenonHD.
So far they all have the same features. The best one really is XenonHD with its custom long press and double-tap actions on the Nav Bar buttons. This is a great carry over feature from KitKat.
All the other ROMs suck in terms of "new" features.
+1 ..
I guess after 3 4 yrs being on xda, flashing roms with different features, developers amazing us with new and unique features every few months, for me Now it all comes down to the daily use of these features
The PA per app color, pie and omni roms split screen were something that i could use as a daily driver. I really miss PA roms Pie, slimpie somehow is just isnt the same. I miss the tablet mode from PA too.
What i want as a user is a smooth stable rom with some basic tweaks that i dont find on a stock rom and less battery drain. Which i pretty much have with LiquidSmooth.
The speed of innovation has slowed down or rather there arent many more innovative things to do that can be used for daily use anymore i guess. Im not complaining here, just a thought.
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Gravitybox or MiUi CM is not same
Since I got my first android phone I always loved custom roms. They really changed your phone out of the box. But it seems like with the 6T that has kind of changed.
1. AOSP Gestures
Compared to OOS, AOSP gestures are terrible in the sense they feel "stiff". OOS gestures are smooth and easy to get accustomed to. Although there are apps to kind of replicate it, on AOSP it still doesn't feel the same. The little things like the animation of the app minimizing when you swipe up to the app switcher make a difference.
2. Fingerprint Reader
This is a very hit or miss subject with more misses than hits. I guess this can be chalked up to implementation still being fairly new, but I have tried so many roms and the FP reader works well until it doesn't. And when it doesn't work, it is bad. Screen flickering/darkening, random reboot, & a number of other weird glitches have deemed it unstable for me. Of course the alternative is to use a pin or something, but why if it is there?
3. Nothing "Just Right"
I used to have a Samsung Galaxy and that device had a number of roms for exactly what you wanted. With the 6T it seems like you only have two options. Either you get a stable stripped down rom, that offers nothing special except moving the clock around on the status bar, or you can get a rom w/100+ features and customizations that crashes at least 10 times a day. There doesn't seem to be a rom that has the balance of useful features and stability.
4. Custom Rom ➝ OOS = WIPE EVERYTHING!
I like trying new roms. Keeping my phone fresh and different is exciting, but it is now more difficult than ever it seems. Going from Rom to Rom is easy, but if I ever want to get back to OOS that usually involves wiping all data or even whipping out the good 'ol MSM tool because something went wrong. This whole new A/B Partion recovery nonsense has put a road block into this. There are 100s of instructions on how to make and restore a nandroid backup, but nobody has been able to do it.
5. No More Innovation/Uniqueness
It seems like every 6T rom is just a 'copy & paste' job with a different name. Gone are the days of groundbreaking roms and features. Dynamic System Bars, Pie Controls, Theme Engine, etc... these are just a few things that used to be unique and game changers. Now it's just moving icons around and remapping buttons.
I know this will all change, but for now OOS + Root + Magisk is more than enough.
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Since I got my first android phone I always loved custom roms. They really changed your phone out of the box. But it seems like with the 6T that has kind of changed.
1. AOSP Gestures
Compared to OOS, AOSP gestures are terrible in the sense they feel "stiff". OOS gestures are smooth and easy to get accustomed to. Although there are apps to kind of replicate it, on AOSP it still doesn't feel the same. The little things like the animation of the app minimizing when you swipe up to the app switcher make a difference.
2. Fingerprint Reader
This is a very hit or miss subject with more misses than hits. I guess this can be chalked up to implementation still being fairly new, but I have tried so many roms and the FP reader works well until it doesn't. And when it doesn't work, it is bad. Screen flickering/darkening, random reboot, & a number of other weird glitches have deemed it unstable for me. Of course the alternative is to use a pin or something, but why if it is there?
3. Nothing "Just Right"
I used to have a Samsung Galaxy and that device had a number of roms for exactly what you wanted. With the 6T it seems like you only have two options. Either you get a stable stripped down rom, that offers nothing special except moving the clock around on the status bar, or you can get a rom w/100+ features and customizations that crashes at least 10 times a day. There doesn't seem to be a rom that has the balance of useful features and stability.
4. Custom Rom ➝ OSS = WIPE EVERYTHING!
I like trying new roms. Keeping my phone fresh and different is exciting, but it is now more difficult than ever it seems. Going from Rom to Rom is easy, but if I ever want to get back to OOS that usually involves wiping all data or even whipping out the good 'ol MSM tool because something went wrong. This whole new A/B Partion recovery nonsense has put a road block into this. There are 100s of instructions on how to make and restore a nandroid backup, but nobody has been able to do it.
5. No More Innovation/Uniqueness
It seems like every 6T rom is just a 'copy & paste' job with a different name. Gone are the days of groundbreaking roms and features. Dynamic System Bars, Pie Controls, Theme Engine, etc... these are just a few things that used to be unique and game changers. Now it's just moving icons around and remapping buttons.
I know this will all change, but for now OOS + Root + Magisk is more than enough.
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1. Fluid navigation gestures
2. Hit or miss on OSS
3. AOSIP
4. Reboot recovery... Factory reset.. Flash OOS..flash twrp reboot
5. AOSIP brings stability and android q features.. Kinda still agree with you though
Just my little 2 cents from when I was still rocking the 6t. I have 7pro now but thankfully AOSIP is already there too. But I can only imagine that development here has only dug further and provides an even better experience since I was here last
Lol. Oos sucks. Try aosip, you won't be disappointed.
Oos all the way! I have tried most custom roms, and while most are really good, but can't get through a day without jonesing to get back on Oos. I breathe a sigh of relief when I'm back using their gesture nav. We need to find ATL4ANTIS and beg him to build a CATACLYSM rom for the 6t! That rom on the Nexus 5 is still to this day the best custom i have ever used!
I have to agree with the OP, I've been flashing ROMs going back to the mytouch 4g and htc hero. Honestly this is the first phone I've owned where I really haven't felt the urge to go beyond root and substratum for more theming options of third party apps. It's nice there are some options out there, but OOS is there first rom I've used that felt mostly complete and not something patched together from bits and pieces. It's fast and smooth and battery is pretty good right out of the box. I keep ending up back on OOS, throwing on few root apps, change up the theme a bit and throw a slightly and I mean slightly better kernel and call it good.
Gotta respect your point of view,nicely written article.
Tho I'm using OmniRom Treskmod at the moment. OOS has also come a long way from what it was during Oreo days and safe to say you can easily live without a custom ROM on a 1+ device. The reason I'm using Treskmod atm because I was bored of OOS UI. Might be switching back to OOS soon
Cataclysm rocked. Loved that on my old Nexus 6.
The main reason I don't root, unlock, custom rom is I'm just too flippin' old and tired at the end of the day to
jack with it anymore. I use to flash all sorts of custom roms, back in the days of my HTC tilt phones, but since
android 4.3, I haven't felt the need to root or custom flash.
Hey, at least we have the ability to do so, but for me, end of the work day and weekend, I rarely touch my phone.
The main reason I don't switch to a custom rom is AOSP Gestures
I mostly agree with you! I like flashing ROMs but always come back to oos after a week max.
There are always some hiccups here are there, some are worse than others. Oos is just what I consider as stable.
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Since I got my first android phone I always loved custom roms. They really changed your phone out of the box. But it seems like with the 6T that has kind of changed.
I know this will all change, but for now OOS + Root + Magisk is more than enough.
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OOS is a tight, well-designed OS.
For now, OOS, TWRP, and Magisk are sufficient for me.
@ogkillergreen;
Here is my question to you...
What are you looking for as far as unique features.
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@ogkillergreen;
Here is my question to you...
What are you looking for as far as unique features.
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Some of the things I looked for was better battery, lockscreen mods such as lockscreen rotation, changing of lockscreen shortcuts. Bring able to change location of status bar elements. Blurring if background for recents UI, quick settings UI. General ability to customize. Granted OOS doesn't have most of these, but it brings enough to the table that I'm not feeling the urge to go through all the steps needed to get them with a custom ROM. The ROMs I have tried while all good, tend to feel like something is lost in translation. May not be your experience but hey... It's how I feel. Out of all the stock ROMs on all the various flavors of devices I've owned going back to the HTC MyTouch 4G with Sense 1, OOS is the only one that has just enough customisation in it whilst remaining out of my way.
I don't necessarily disagree with you. I just wondered what features he was looking for that are not in ROMS now. You gave great examples. Especially the lock screen one, I have not seen that one before.
I Couldn't Agree Any More with You
I was going to share a post very similar to this one of these days sooner or later and you basically took the words right out of my mouth.
Back before I got the OP6T, I loved rooting and installing custom ROMs on my previous phones, all the way back from my Moto X (Original) Developer's Edition, to the LG Nexus 5X, and to the LG G6 (this one was a toughy), I enjoyed trying out different custom ROMs and seeing their unique features or customizability that they could bring to the table.
But with Oxygen OS, I just keep coming back to it! At first I couldn't quite place what it was exactly, but it's just as OP put it. The gestures (so nice. Fluid is a good alternative, but I don't think it quite compares to OP's nav gestures. Sure some customizability would be nice, but it just works.) The FP reader is kind of a big one and even though FP support was eventually brought to custom ROMs, they're still iffy and buggy. I thought at first I wouldn't mind them, and I didn't, but I just missed it in the end. With the nothing "just right" is what I agree with the most. OOS just feels something unlike other stock firmwares out there and it just feels smooth. One example is Nova Launcher. I've been such a huge fan of Nova for so long and the customizability is amazing, but the OnePlus launcher also replaces it for me! It all kind of "just works". For your point on going from custom ROM to OOS wipes everything, I've always accepted the fact that if I'm switching ROMs around, an easy mistake comes with a wipe, so I don't mind that. And with your fifth point, I think that's only because of us growing old of what seemed new or was more active while it existed. Newer updates for Android with security hinder modding and though we keep finding new ways to root and mod, it often just pushed developers away. Hopefully we'll see more innovation, but for the time being I do feel like it's in a state of limbo, or at least slowing down.
I will put in one more chance into AOSIP as people are saying, but right now, OOS with theOneOS, Magisk, Root, and EdXposed satisfy my needs.
I also see people asking OP what they seek in custom ROMs and from my point of view, I seek some originality and uniqueness. Something that persuades me to keep utilizing that ROM instead of pushing me away. I love customizing and ROMs like RR, Omni, BootLeggers are good examples but they lack a solid foundation of what they used to be. They're just cherry picked mods from other custom ROMs, or unofficial ports with stability improvements but that also comes rarely.
One more comment and to close it off: I'm a consumer. I believe that I definitely do know that I have an above average knowledge of how Android, modding, and all that works. I do know that it is hard work to code and create custom ROMs. I haven't personally contributed in doing anything because I simply don't have the time. I'd certainly try to if I did have the time, but I don't. It is appreciated for devs to release custom ROMs, but I feel like it is lacking. I don't mean any offense to anyone, and I hope people do respond in order for conversation or argument. I'd like to see what other people think.
TL;DR: OnePlus somehow just sucks me back into OOS in every way possible. Custom ROMs feel lacking.
@ogkillergreen i couldnt agree more. I laughed at my friend who jumped to One Plus before me when he told me how amazing OOS was. When I got the OP6t, i was blown away at what OP has done. I have been flashing ROMS and mods since the OG Droid Days. Never have I kept a stock rom as my main, not to mention as my preference. On the 6t, while ive tried most roms, its not been worth the trade-offs yet. the clock in status bar on oos bugs the pi$$ out of me. (align right would have been a good option for one plus to put in) but if thats my only gripe in UI, its near perfect *for me*. Every custom rom i tried drank battery compared to OOS. Especially compared to OOS with Omega kernel. my best battery life on an android device ever was with the 5/29 build of omega on stock 9.0.14.
I get it, though. Some people are convinced AOSP-based is always better, more feature laden, and simply faster. I was one of those people. The OP6T has swayed my opinion forever. Stock is no longer a dirty word to me. Especially when coupled with a few magisk modules and Omega kernel.
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@ogkillergreen;
Here is my question to you...
What are you looking for as far as unique features.
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It's not so much of unique features, it's more of just frustration in seeing the same features on every rom. Before I open a thread for a rom I already know what will be on the features list. You could post a features list from a rom and I would not be able to tell you which rom it's from. I am looking for something that stands out from the rest, but not in a gimmick like way.
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It's not so much of unique features, it's more of just frustration in seeing the same features on every rom. Before I open a thread for a rom I already know what will be on the features list. You could post a features list from a rom and I would not be able to tell you which rom it's from. I am looking for something that stands out from the rest, but not in a gimmick like way.
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BootLeggers has some sick themes and other UI Related stuff up its sleeve it also has Minimal Customization and is Stable. If you want a good Custom ROM I'd recommend BootLeggers. But yeah Stock OOS Beta + Magisk & Subs is enough for me.
Surprised you haven't mentioned loss of Widevine L1 as the number one reason to stick with stock OOS
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Surprised you haven't mentioned loss of Widevine L1 as the number one reason to stick with stock OOS
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I think that is always a good reason to stay stock, but don't you lose that by just unlocking your bootloader?