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Hand-cranked chargers

Has anyone used a hand-cranked charger? I have a Brookstone hand-cranked flashlight/radio that can charge phones. I'm considering getting an adapter to charge my Tilt but I don't know if it can handle it. It says it can output up to 600mA. I've heard bad reports of other chargers with dumb phones but nothing of this one. It seems unlikely this can keep a power-hungry Kaiser charged. It also outputs 6 volts. I hope this doesn't fry the phone.
Edit: I meant 600mA

Any estimates on how long it would take to reach full battery charge?
A couple of hours?
Excellent for weight loss, especially if you use 3G...

The standard Kaiser or Hermes wall charger is rated at 1A (1000mA), and a powered USB port outputs 500mA. As some people have problems charging from USB - particularly after completely discharging their batteries, then I'd think that 500mA is the minimum power required to charge.
If you install one of those programs which displays battery power you'll probably find that the power draw is much higher than 6mA (even in standby) so all you'll do with the hand cranked charger is slightly reduce the rate at which the battery is discharging.
Looking at a 1350mAh battery, this would take a minimum of 9 days and 8 hours to charge the battery from flat if it isn't being used - great workout but hardly worth it

I got a cheapo one from some gareg... AA branded thing for a fiver, flash light thingy to... five mins of winding gave a one percent increase in battery, but then if your really stuck it could be a good thing... only cost a fiver too!

Buy yourself a cheaper battery: using lower amp batteries with the Nexus S

I have always thought that the amperage of a battery made no difference to the voltage due to the factory adjusting the internal resistance of the battery. Amperage I understood was measured in current, however, which does have an effect on overall voltage.
Recall:
V = I * R
With electronics, it is my understanding that the mAh battery doesn't matter as long as the voltage is the same, although you'd get less longevity out of a 1650 mAh vs a 1440 mAh.
Thus, I believe this battery would work. Thoughts? The part number matches exactly what was in my Nexus S and the batteries look identical. If this is the case, save yourself some money buy not searching Nexus S battery and instead searching ab653850ca in eBay instead of paying $30-$40 for a new/replacement Nexus S battery when they are the same thing.
http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-OEM-SAMSUNG...Accessories&hash=item3a5dd479e2#ht_1287wt_900
Thoughts? Both are 3.7 volts.

mAh is a unit of electric charge, not current (notice the 'h' making it milli-Ampere-hour). So, yes, a lower mAh battery will definitely work, but it will last less time.
Also (just trying to explain better) a battery is not a "powered resistor", so the relationship between its voltage and its current is not just ohm's law (the one you recall). More specifically, the 3.7 volts is due to the chemical reaction inside the battery and is more or less fixed (although it decreases as the battery discharges). The current flowing is basically a function of the load of the battery, so it changes according to what parts of the phone are working at that moment. The output resistance of the battery is a formal way of describing how close the battery is to an ideal voltage source and is not related to the amount of current it's actually providing.
Sorry if I was not clear enough, it's late here!

Missed the h. Not sure why, I see mA all the time and I just missed the h. Interesting and helpful. Thanks man. Clear to me.

That's strange, if it is the same model (AB653850CA), why is it only 1440mAh? But I'm sure it will work.

All I know is that this Samsung Moment battery I got off of Amazon for $6 is almost as good as my stock battery.
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The 1440mAh batteries work perfect, I have 2 of them. While you are at it, buy a wall charger to charge them in so they will charge to 100%. Having 2 spares means you will always have a FULLY charged battery to pop in and never have to tether the phone to a charger. Plus you get 2 to 4 extra hours of use.

Very informative!

turbodroid said:
Plus you get 2 to 4 extra hours of use.
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What do you mean by that ? That the 1440 mAh battery only gives you 2-4 hours ? I doubt it lasts so little time. I hope it doesn't.

No he means charging the batteries in an external charger gives them a more complete charge as I find the same thing. I've got 2 genuine batteries and a third on the way and the external charger charges them to 100% whereas the phone only charges them to around 95%. The batteries charged in the external charger last longer than those charged in the phone.

Hard to know when you're legitimately getting a battery with "more capacity" though, so I just assume I'm always buying another stock battery anyways.

maltloaf said:
No he means charging the batteries in an external charger gives them a more complete charge as I find the same thing. I've got 2 genuine batteries and a third on the way and the external charger charges them to 100% whereas the phone only charges them to around 95%. The batteries charged in the external charger last longer than those charged in the phone.
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Oh, I got it, thanks !
Anyway, for 6$, I think I'm going to buy one, too. Coupled with the 2nd battery dock, it should work flawlessly.

Hey guys,
I went ahead and ordered one of these too. I noticed that the Watts/hour is 5.55 on the Nexus S battery but on the battery I ordered (but have yet to get in) it says 5.3. Is this going to make a difference outside of how long the battery lasts?
If you guys buy one of these 1440s report back with what you've found out.
And if this is a success, then please urge XDA to sticky this thread or put this on the main page. Paying $50 for a second/replacement Nexus S battery is outrageous, and if this saves my fellow XDA members $45, more people should know about this. :]
UPDATE:
Looks like turbodroid already ordered these and said they work great! Thanks guys! Thank me if this was helpful.

Limit voltage charge with software?

My Droid 4 appears to charge to over 4.3V. Yikes!
Reported by Battery Monitor Widget Pro: 4.317V (pretty sure I saw 4.351V one time but I don't know how BMW calculates/reports voltage)
Measured with Fluke 88V across battery terminals: (drat...are there convenient probe contacts? didn't find anything obvious without deconstructing it)
Found this for the Nexus Galaxy
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1507528
Anything like this for the Droid 4? an app (root)?
It appears some sort of battery management boots when the phone is plugged in while turned off? Just curious since I always leave my phone on.
My past 3 smart phones I've kept for 3 to 6 years each. With the non-removable battery in the Droid 4 I'd like to find something to extend it's life.
I figure Motorola went with the lightest smallest battery that would power the thing for the better part of a work day and last for the average user's retention time for a phone (1 year? maybe 2?). It appears they are overcharging the battery to squeeze some extra capacity out of it. Greatly reduces the usable battery life but still meets the design criteria. I'd rather go with something like 10% - 90% charge cycles and double or (more likely) triple the life of the battery.
Right now I'm using Battery Monitor with the max voltage alarm but that means you have to be there to hear the alarm and unplug from the charger. Not really practical.
Since I mostly charge at home I'm considering wiring up a usb cable for my ElectriFly RC charger but that's not as convenient or flexible.
For reference, the following are excerpts from Battery University:
http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/charging_lithium_ion_batteries
"Most cells charge to 4.20V/cell with a tolerance of +/–50mV/cell. Higher voltages could increase the capacity, but the resulting cell oxidation would reduce service life"
http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/the_li_polymer_battery_substance_or_hype
"Charge and discharge characteristics of Li-polymer are identical to other Li-ion systems "
http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/how_to_prolong_lithium_based_batteries
"Most Li-ions are charged to 4.20V/cell and every reduction of 0.10V/cell is said to double cycle life. For example, a lithium-ion cell charged to 4.20V/cell typically delivers 300–500 cycles. If charged to only 4.10V/cell, the life can be prolonged to 600–1,000 cycles; 4.00V/cell should deliver 1,200–2,000 and 3.90V/cell 2,400–4,000 cycles. Table 4 summarizes these results. The values are estimate and depend on the type of li-ion-ion battery."
Charge Level (v) -- Discharge Cycles -- Capacity at Full Charge
---- [4.30] --------------- [150 - 250] -------------- [110%]
----- 4.20 ----------------- 300 - 500 ---------------- 100%
----- 4.10 ----------------- 500 - 1000 --------------- 90%
----- 4.00 --------------- 1200 - 2000 --------------- 70%
----- 3.92 --------------- 2400 - 4000 --------------- 50%

The Droid 4 uses a different kind of battery chemistry than most other li-ion batteries. You can read about it here on this Anandtech article on the RAZR (which uses the same chemistry, they didn't bother writing an article on the D4).
The interesting bit:
When I reviewed the Bionic, I made note of the device’s higher than normal Li-Ion voltage battery (3.8 V nominal) and later received word that this is actually a new Li-Ion battery chemistry that Motorola is adopting across its device line. We’ve now seen it in the Bionic, the Atrix 2, and thanks to some teardowns know that it’s inside the RAZR as well.
As an aside, people love to talk about how battery tech is going nowhere, but here we have a clear example of a few mass-market devices actually shipping with higher voltage batteries. Now that I know it exists, I want this in everything.
Interestingly enough, the sealed internal battery on the RAZR is 1750 mAh at 3.8 V (6.7 Whr) which is ever so slightly larger than the Bionic’s stock 1735 mAh at 3.8 V (6.6 Whr) battery. Like the Bionic, the battery has a thin profile and extends across almost the entire area of the device. We’ve now seen two different approaches to getting devices ultra thin: dual-sided PCBs that take up about a third of the areal profile (which is what Samsung and Apple do), saving the rest for a thick battery, and the Motorola approach with a single-sided PCB and a thin battery that extends over the entire area.
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Anyway, the point is that that what you're seeing is normal. If your D4 isn't charging to that voltage (which can happen if your battery stats gets screwed up), battery life can be ... disappointing.
Hope this helps!

podspi said:
Anyway, the point is that that what you're seeing is normal. If your D4 isn't charging to that voltage (which can happen if your battery stats gets screwed up), battery life can be ... disappointing.
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I agree that "normal" is "by design" but that's not what I want. I expect the designed duty cycle for the battery is less than 2 years.
I understand that charging to 90% will shorten time between getting on a charger but I can't go a whole day now anyway.
I plan to keep the phone for another 3, 4 or more years.
The battery or failure (worn out) is not covered under any of the warranty plans.
The battery is not removable and getting it replaced is probably not inexpensive (along with some probability of damaging the phone during replacement and probability of issues after).
My understanding is that (at least for now) upgrading or activating promotional equipment will cause me to lose my grandfathered $30 unlimited data.
Right now I usually charge in the morning, afternoon and late at night (phone stays on 24x7).
If I had something to limit charging to 90% unattended I would be leaving it on the charger over night and probably a couple of times during the day.
I am rarely away from a power source for very long. Charger at home, charger in the car, charger at work. Plugging in is not all that inconvenient.
If that triples the life of my battery that's HUGE.
The issue is leaving it on a charger unattended and having it stop charging at 90%.

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Some more data:
http://forums.macrumors.com/archive/index.php/t-1429825.html

Another note:
These are 3.8V not 3.7V cells (100mV higher listed)
So, if you take your above chart and bump everything up by 100mV, 100% depth of charge is achieved at/around 4.3V (instead of 4.2V). I can believe a phone manufacturer would want to hit 100% charge if the cycles available are 300-500 (that's 1-2 years for 'average' users).
The info on that mac forum seems to indicate something about the 3.8V cells also having more available cycles, but that may be related to when they are used in stock configurations for the 3.7V cell (100mV less, double or better the usable cycle count).
Motorola is pretty good about covering their tracks and keeping things quiet (I worked on the communications equipment side of the pond for awhile) so finding spec's/data/charge curves for custom built batteries is going to be tricky. Easiest would be finding where they're getting them/re-branding and finding out exactly what they are.
Hope you can read Chinese

Brandon314159 said:
Some more data:
http://forums.macrumors.com/archive/index.php/t-1429825.html
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This is the problem... (unless I missed it following all those links in that post) I didn't see any real data other than a battery labeled "3.8V". That post kind of sums it up in closing with:
Given the evidence, I think we'll likely see a new battery chemistry in the next iPhone. However, this needs to be taken with a grain of salt, since we don't know if the 3.8V chemistry is what LG is using. Even if we find out that the new LG battery is 3.8V, that doesn't mean it's the same 3.8V technology we're seeing in the new iPhone. Since Apple loves to talk about their batteries, if it is featured, I think there's a good possibility they may talk about it. If they do, that could confirm they're using LG's tech. Still, if they're using a 3.8V battery, one must ask why Apple made the change if it didn't have some benefits in store for the new iPhone ultimately. It does, without question, at least confirm a new battery chemistry. The nominal voltages of batteries are directly related to the chemistry utilized within, so you wouldn't get 3.7V and 3.8V both using the exact same chemistry.
From the anandtech article: Most of the time, users quote battery capacity in just mAh because you can be assured that the nominal per-cell voltage of consumer grade lithium-ion batteries is going to remain the same, at 3.7 V nominal, and 4.2 V fully charged for a Lithium-manganese oxide (LiMn2O4) battery. That isn’t something that was just decided on; the voltage falls literally out of the electrochemistry of the reaction. Lithium is the ideal anode for an electrochemical cell because it has the lowest redox potential, at –3.05 V, and it’s very light, at 6.94 g/mol. Combine that with a cathode of your choice, and you get a battery. Relatively standard cathode choices are things like Mn2O4 or CoO2 or NiO2, with the first and second being popular choices. In reality, a graphite anode is used alongside a LiMn2O4 cathode to make things safer, and ions migrate between the cathode and anode during charge and discharge. I’ll spare you the hand waving, but the anode reaction gives you –3.0 V, the cathode reaction 1.15 V, combine them, and you get a ΔE of 4.15 V. You can see where the 4.2 V comes from purely from this, with a little bit of fudge factor. Each battery is different, but it’s again just a material choice.
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Still can't find any pointer to any "new chemistry" other than allusions to it... There hasn't been any new battery "chemistry" in years and I think that would be a really big deal. I'm sticking with the info in my first post for the time being. Especially the table at the bottom.
Lets look at it this way:
* charging to 4.3 V *
Right now, starting with a charged battery in the morning I have to put it on the charger about once during the day and it's pretty much done again at the end of the day. That's just sort of my average usage.
* charging to 4.1 V *
If I were to only charge it to 90% I would probably have to put it on the charger about twice during the day (and again at the end of the day) and I would approximately quadruple the usable number of charge cycles.
[i'm really bad at math...]
So I would be putting it on the charger 1.5 number of times to get a ~4x increase in the number of usable cycles?
I can deal with the inconvenience of an extra charge during the day for the added battery life before replacement is required.
I cannot deal with the inconvenience if each charge has to be attended (to unplug it when it reaches 4.1V)
Can someone do an app to cut off my charge at a configurable voltage?

You might have a look at this (not for the faint of heart):
http://www.researchgate.net/publica...e_Material_for_Lithium_Rechargeable_Batteries
Click "view" on the right when that page comes up.
It has more to do with chemistry than much else, but the basic premise is that by using certain cathode materials, stretching available capacity out of a Lithium Cobalt Oxide battery can warrant the higher voltage with less of an available cycle charges hit than you might think. They're talking about up to 4.5V in this article although they're admitting losses of available cycles at high voltages.
I just skimmed through it so if you're really curious, dig deep (I'm at work so limited).
I'm a chemistry major so take it with a grain of salt

Ok... that made my eyes bleed.
something about blah, blah ... increased stability up to 4.5v ... blah, blah, ...dual doping ... blah, blah, ...microwave heating for 25 minutes...
No idea if manufacturing it might cost more than the phone or if that is what might have gone into my Droid 4, or how quantify increased stability up to 4.5v in terms of increased cycles.
but yes, from what I can tell, it does look like someone made some sort of advancement in battery tech

Did anybody find an app to do this?

Droid Turbo Turbo Charge , Quick Charge 2.0 question

So few days ago got the phone , but always charged it through USB port. Now finally tried turbo charger and it definitely isn't "turbo". I know most of those Turbo claims what I saw were just selling strategy , but I'm pretty sure I'm not even getting 1% - 1 minute. Latest Marshmallow OTA.
So , on a relatively new battery , how fast does your phones charge ? You can write with phone turned off and on..
Also looking at the charger it says for output :
Standard output :5V =1.6A
Turbo output :9v=1.6A
Turbo2 output :12v = 1.2A
This deosn't make any sense to me, while raising volts may solve some power losses through cable , amps are what charges your phone faster or slower , and 1.6A , isn't really a big deal not to mention 1.2A. Reading somewhere that quick charge 2,0 supports up to 3amps draw..
I have One Plus one and it's original charger is 2.1A (quick charge 1.0 ) , with custom kernel bumped charging rate all the way up and good cable I'm seeing about 2Amps of charging in real life , or little more than 1% per minute . I was expecting motorola to charge faster or at least even , even though they are 3100 vs 3900mAh batteries.. Not to mention I can easily mod OnePlus One and get same SOT and battery overall as motorola's, while on motorola I'm stuck with stupid locked bootloader . Original idea was to sell OnePlus One because of Motorola, but I don't know now anymore..

The volts and amps listed on an electrical device are typically its max or rated output, NOT what it "always" delivers. That being said, most power supplies will deliver their rated voltage most of the time, but the current is determined by the charged device (through it's effective resistance)... so as long as you run below the rated current, you'd be fine.
Secondly, from what I'm reading, the OPO doesn't have quick-charge technology (ref: https://www.reddit.com/r/oneplus/co...lcomm_quickcharge_20/?st=ix64k1gy&sh=6d7492c9 ) so I'm not sure what you're talking about there. Again, the charger may say 2.1A, but that doesn't mean it's actually delivering that much all the time. I have a relatively old Kindle Fire with a 2.1A charger, but I know it doesn't charge very fast even with that device.
If you want to talk about Volts and Amps, you need to use actual volt/amp meters to see what you're getting.. Note, there is an app for Android (called Ampere) that claims to report amp-rates, but it also has a caveat saying that the current should not be taken as completely accurate, for various reasons.
Lastly, note that QC doesn't actually run when you are at higher charge levels... I think it's above 80% or something? After that level, it returns to "standard charging" mode for this "top-off" phase of the battery charge cycle. So, if you're seeing slow charge rates there, it's to be expected.

The Turbo has a relatively massive battery. Mine takes...somewhere upwards of 3ish hours on turbo charging to replenish.

1 hour 15 minutes
that's what it takes to go from 0 to 100% using Turbo Charger 2.0

Thank you all for answering, this is exactly why I started this thread. Already see here some interesting results!
schwinn8 said:
The volts and amps listed on an electrical device are typically its max or rated output, NOT what it "always" delivers. That being said, most power supplies will deliver their rated voltage most of the time, but the current is determined by the charged device (through it's effective resistance)... so as long as you run below the rated current, you'd be fine.
Secondly, from what I'm reading, the OPO doesn't have quick-charge technology (ref: https://www.reddit.com/r/oneplus/co...lcomm_quickcharge_20/?st=ix64k1gy&sh=6d7492c9 ) so I'm not sure what you're talking about there. Again, the charger may say 2.1A, but that doesn't mean it's actually delivering that much all the time. I have a relatively old Kindle Fire with a 2.1A charger, but I know it doesn't charge very fast even with that device.
If you want to talk about Volts and Amps, you need to use actual volt/amp meters to see what you're getting.. Note, there is an app for Android (called Ampere) that claims to report amp-rates, but it also has a caveat saying that the current should not be taken as completely accurate, for various reasons.
Lastly, note that QC doesn't actually run when you are at higher charge levels... I think it's above 80% or something? After that level, it returns to "standard charging" mode for this "top-off" phase of the battery charge cycle. So, if you're seeing slow charge rates there, it's to be expected.
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Thanks! Actually, OnePlus ONE DOES have quick charge 1.0 which is 5v up to 2.1A. Snapdragon 801 supports quick charge 2.0 but OPO didn't implement it with phone. There are billions of topic on this at OPO forum and a lot of people done tests including myself. The problem with OPO is it's very sensitive on cable so it works best with OEM cable and it somehow recognizes it. There is app called OPO charging current so I monitored with it and synapse . Kernel setup hardware to be able to recive very max 2100mA no mather which cable. Stock ONEplus charger. Some cheap cables gave me from 300 - 600 mA max with screen on . I found at home some cable that looked cheap but said charge only, tried and it charged around 1600mA with screen on and around 1800 screen off. Later got Anker 21 AWG and results were even better , aroun 1800-1900mA screen on and close to maximum 2000mA screen off. Phone was charging 1% in less than a minute. Thought turbo can charge at same rate. After all , it's "boosted" lol.
I know it doesn't do quick charge after around 75% , I tried at 30%. Given all that , 1600mA which is maximum I see on the Motorola's charger is not something special if we disregard Voltage..
Einsteindks said:
The Turbo has a relatively massive battery. Mine takes...somewhere upwards of 3ish hours on turbo charging to replenish.
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1 hour 15 minutes
that's what it takes to go from 0 to 100% using Turbo Charger 2.0
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Again this is very interesting. Already here we see 2 totally different results with one being almost as double fast.. Sparksys , you are on stock charger and stock cable?
Because if you charge from 0-100 in 1h 15min, thats around 3.2Amps charging current , while our buddy Einsteindks here gets around 1.3Amps and max amp I see on "rola's charger is 1.6Amps. I'm confused now.
Also can somebody post picof stock droid turbo USB cable shipped in bundle? I think I don't have stock cable, it says right at the plug phone side "be hello". No other labels or anything..

EjđiSixo said:
Thank you all for answering, this is exactly why I started this thread. Already see here some interesting results!
Thanks! Actually, OnePlus ONE DOES have quick charge 1.0 which is 5v up to 2.1A. Snapdragon 801 supports quick charge 2.0 but OPO didn't implement it with phone. There are billions of topic on this at OPO forum and a lot of people done tests including myself. The problem with OPO is it's very sensitive on cable so it works best with OEM cable and it somehow recognizes it. There is app called OPO charging current so I monitored with it and synapse . Kernel setup hardware to be able to recive very max 2100mA no mather which cable. Stock ONEplus charger. Some cheap cables gave me from 300 - 600 mA max with screen on . I found at home some cable that looked cheap but said charge only, tried and it charged around 1600mA with screen on and around 1800 screen off. Later got Anker 21 AWG and results were even better , aroun 1800-1900mA screen on and close to maximum 2000mA screen off. Phone was charging 1% in less than a minute. Thought turbo can charge at same rate. After all , it's "boosted" lol.
I know it doesn't do quick charge after around 75% , I tried at 30%. Given all that , 1600mA which is maximum I see on the Motorola's charger is not something special if we disregard Voltage..
Again this is very interesting. Already here we see 2 totally different results with one being almost as double fast.. Sparksys , you are on stock charger and stock cable?
Because if you charge from 0-100 in 1h 15min, thats around 3.2Amps charging current , while our buddy Einsteindks here gets around 1.3Amps and max amp I see on "rola's charger is 1.6Amps. I'm confused now.
Also can somebody post picof stock droid turbo USB cable shipped in bundle? I think I don't have stock cable, it says right at the plug phone side "be hello". No other labels or anything..
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I was guess-timating. Been a while since I've done the full recharge.

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I was guess-timating. Been a while since I've done the full recharge.
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According to your guess-timate and max rated power I see on the charger, that seems about right and realistic guess BUT there also isn't anything TURBO about it. I'ts the average charging speed of every device today (1.5A) which doesn't have any kind of quick charge option. Even quick charge 1.0 is faster with 2.1A at 5v . Thats why I opened this topic, I'm confused.
Only voltage is higher on turbo charger than let's say my OPO charger but amps are lower and voltage doesn't have that much of an impact on charging speed, amps do!

When I have my Turbo in my truck at night, and running about a dozen things at once, in addition to all the background stuff, NO 'regular' charger can keep up with the power demand, and the battery undergoes a insanely slow discharge. By itself, the battery lasts 3 or 4 hours, tops. With the turbocharger, the battery charges at a modest rate, maybe 10% per 30 minutes...while under high demand.

Einsteindks said:
When I have my Turbo in my truck at night, and running about a dozen things at once, in addition to all the background stuff, NO 'regular' charger can keep up with the power demand, and the battery undergoes a insanely slow discharge. By itself, the battery lasts 3 or 4 hours, tops. With the turbocharger, the battery charges at a modest rate, maybe 10% per 30 minutes...while under high demand.
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That seems ok.
I encourage others to post their charging times so we can compare!
Thanks

Since no other turbo users jumped in...
At the time of starting the topic I have disabled some Verizon's bloatware (completely stock, locked turbo). After reflashing completely stock FW , and with untouched software, droid really did charged turbo fast. More than 1% per minute and around 0-60% for 30min just as advertised for quick charge 2.0 . So if anyone was wondering, that should be benchmark.
On the other hand, phone is almost impossible to charge with any other type of "normal" charger..

My Turbo, running stock MM/root/Xposed with a large load of apps, will charge 20-30% per hour on a normal 1A charger, while lying on the desk with the screen off. It charges at a similar rate via Qi wireless charging. This is plenty for daily overnight charging. My usage habits are such that I usually have 20-40% battery left when I get home from work in the evening.
In a different usage case, when I play Ingress (a real battery eater, screen on + 3D animated graphics + GPS + data) the Qi charger in my car holds discharge to about 5-10% per hour.
I've never had a turbo charger to compare, but I've never found the normal charger or Qi charger to be significantly lacking.

Spott07 said:
My Turbo, running stock MM/root/Xposed with a large load of apps, will charge 20-30% per hour on a normal 1A charger, while lying on the desk with the screen off. It charges at a similar rate via Qi wireless charging. This is plenty for daily overnight charging. My usage habits are such that I usually have 20-40% battery left when I get home from work in the evening.
In a different usage case, when I play Ingress (a real battery eater, screen on + 3D animated graphics + GPS + data) the Qi charger in my car holds discharge to about 5-10% per hour.
I've never had a turbo charger to compare, but I've never found the normal charger or Qi charger to be significantly lacking.
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Right, I've also used "normal" charger before. Now, I have all QuickCharge plug chargers -- but I still use Qi wireless charging every day, as does my wife.
I also plug in via USB port on my computer and it charges fine.

okay the way the turbo charging works is that it's like a tier system at very very low charge percentages it works the fastest and slows off after about 60 or 70 percent it just charges like a regular charger all the magic happens at the lower charges. another thing is that unless the cable you are using is total garbage it won't matter at all. it is all the phone and the ac adapter that do the work any variations in the cable will be negligible. I am monitoring my battery through the custom kernel (bhb27 and its app) and it says right now at 81% charge on a turbo charging that I am getting +1172.x mA if my battery was lower this value would be much much higher
lastly I recommend only using the turbo charger when you really need power quickly. if you are just plugging in your phone for the night it makes no sense and will actually be bad for your battery health. the faster it charges the more it heats up and heat is not good for the battery health when I plug my phone in at night I use a .5 amp charger and my phone says that it will need like 8 or 9 hours to charge (this may be exsessive but the quick chargers heat up my phone a lot I also use a 1 and 2 amp charger nearby

Realme X2 Pro Battery Health - AccuBattery App

For you who use AccuBattery app to monitor your battery usage, can you share yours?
Because mine is showing my battery health is only 47%. I think it's maybe, just maybe, the app only read half of the battery capacity. Since this phone is actually have two batteries installed in a single pack of battery.
With this phone I got around 6 hours of screen on time with 70% battery usage (from 90 - 20%).
It's normal SOT for this phone right?
I attached my SS from the app. I use version 1.2.7-2 build 45.

Yeah yours are pretty normal. I have a similar results.

Maybe the 50 watt charging is degrading the battery at a rapid pace,
Maybe this app is not very accurate.
I've seen others complaining about this app with other phones but hopefully here it's just estimating one of the two batteries

andrejd1 said:
Yeah yours are pretty normal. I have a similar results.
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Thanks for sharing. We have the same battery performance.
manus31 said:
Maybe the 50 watt charging is degrading the battery at a rapid pace,
Maybe this app is not very accurate.
I've seen others complaining about this app with other phones but hopefully here it's just estimating one of the two batteries
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Pretty sure it's not because the rapid charging, if so the phone is a disaster.
The app is most possible reason.

smart_thingup said:
Thanks for sharing. We have the same battery performance.
Pretty sure it's not because the rapid charging, if so the phone is a disaster.
The app is most possible reason.
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Here's hoping,I'm getting mine next week and I'm already very skeptical of the vooc charging,I've seen nothing from Realme or Oppo in regards to it's testing or how it affects the degradation of battery.Because of this and I want the battery to last a few years I will be charging with a 18w charger,using the vooc charger occasionally

manus31 said:
Here's hoping,I'm getting mine next week and I'm already very skeptical of the vooc charging,I've seen nothing from Realme or Oppo in regards to it's testing or how it affects the degradation of battery.Because of this and I want the battery to last a few years I will be charging with a 18w charger,using the vooc charger occasionally
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At first I also skeptical about the Super VOOC charging, I think it will damage battery faster, especially because of heat while charging.
And then, turns out to be more make sense because it use dual battery. And with my experience using this phone, there's no heat problem while charging. Not from the hand feel and not from the system temparature reading.
Since the charging is super fast, I usually put the phone at idle for about 5 minutes to cool down the phone before charging and put on airplane mode while charging to prevent over hear and keep the battery as cool as possible. After several try different circumstances of charging condition, I think Super VOOC is doing just fine.

smart_thingup said:
At first I also skeptical about the Super VOOC charging, I think it will damage battery faster, especially because of heat while charging.
And then, turns out to be more make sense because it use dual battery. And with my experience using this phone, there's no heat problem while charging. Not from the hand feel and not from the system temparature reading.
Since the charging is super fast, I usually put the phone at idle for about 5 minutes to cool down the phone before charging and put on airplane mode while charging to prevent over hear and keep the battery as cool as possible. After several try different circumstances of charging condition, I think Super VOOC is doing just fine.
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I'm sure it's safe and all very good but I still think it will be too difficult to maintain the battery and make it last a few years. I like to keep the battery between around 40 to 85 and it's not recommend to fully charge modern phone batteries aswell as not fully draining them,there is only so many cycles for the batteries lifetime,around 500 or so,
here we have two batteries but still that does not matter,
I will be using in and around 18w charger but might try my OnePlus charger to see if that is any quicker to find a happy medium

manus31 said:
I'm sure it's safe and all very good but I still think it will be too difficult to maintain the battery and make it last a few years. I like to keep the battery between around 40 to 85 and it's not recommend to fully charge modern phone batteries aswell as not fully draining them,there is only so many cycles for the batteries lifetime,around 500 or so,
here we have two batteries but still that does not matter,
I will be using in and around 18w charger but might try my OnePlus charger to see if that is any quicker to find a happy medium
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OnePlus charger will give you VOOC charging. I think that will suit you.

smart_thingup said:
OnePlus charger will give you VOOC charging. I think that will suit you.
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Yes should give around 27 to 30 watt charge,that would be perfect.Wil test it and see,getting phone tomorrow according to my national post

manus31 said:
Yes should give around 27 to 30 watt charge,that would be perfect.Wil test it and see,getting phone tomorrow according to my national post
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Got phone today,the 50 watt charge is lightning fast,
My OnePlus 6T charger is also lightning,think it's about 27w charger. My 6T battery must have a problem as the charging has slowed over time on that. I'm only noticing again how fast the dash charger is on the X2 pro

Have been using Accubattery for few days now and have similar stats to you guys,48% battery health and estimated capacity of 1913mAh,
Maybe Accubattery can improve the software for these type of phones which have two separate batteries

have the same result. maybe an update with the app can result in a more accurate reading.

Guys it's normal, this phone has a battery made of 2 1950mAh cells that charge in parallel. This means that Accubattery (which reads the stats based on voltage and current) can only read a single cell charge.
I also read some strange comments here, so let's dismantle a myth: SuperVOOC WON'T damage your battery much more than normal fast charging. Having 50W on a single battery would be absurd, instead this power is distributed between the two cells, resulting in a charge of 5V and 5A per cell (pretty standard, 5V is super safe because it's the same as the cell voltage, and current is similar to other manufacturer quick charge currents). Having 5V input is also better for heat, because it doesn't need conversion (see Qualcomm Quickcharge which can input 5/9/12/15V).
Of course heat is the worst enemy of a battery life, but try not to use it while charging for those 25/30mins needed for a full charge and you'll be good to go.
I hope this clarifies things for people scared of using the boxed charger.

danypava said:
Guys it's normal, this phone has a battery made of 2 1950mAh cells that charge in parallel. This means that Accubattery (which reads the stats based on voltage and current) can only read a single cell charge.
I also read some strange comments here, so let's dismantle a myth: SuperVOOC WON'T damage your battery much more than normal fast charging. Having 50W on a single battery would be absurd, instead this power is distributed between the two cells, resulting in a charge of 5V and 5A per cell (pretty standard, 5V is super safe because it's the same as the cell voltage, and current is similar to other manufacturer quick charge currents). Having 5V input is also better for heat, because it doesn't need conversion (see Qualcomm Quickcharge which can input 5/9/12/15V).
Of course heat is the worst enemy of a battery life, but try not to use it while charging for those 25/30mins needed for a full charge and you'll be good to go.
I hope this clarifies things for people scared of using the boxed charger.
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I was a bit apprehensive about the super vooc at the start but I've only ever used it since I got the phone. I will say it's so much more useful for my use a d I can literally charge it twice a day for 10 to 15 minutes each time.Phone does heat up quite a bit though,like it's warm every time I take it off the charge.
I'm just hoping it will be as quick this time next year and the battery holds out

danypava said:
Guys it's normal, this phone has a battery made of 2 1950mAh cells that charge in parallel. This means that Accubattery (which reads the stats based on voltage and current) can only read a single cell charge.
I also read some strange comments here, so let's dismantle a myth: SuperVOOC WON'T damage your battery much more than normal fast charging. *1 Having 50W on a single battery would be absurd, instead this power is distributed between the two cells, resulting in a charge of 5V and 5A per cell (pretty standard,*2 5V is super safe because it's the same as the cell voltage, and current is similar to other manufacturer quick charge currents). Having 5V input is also better for heat, because it doesn't need conversion (see Qualcomm Quickcharge which can input 5/9/12/15V).
Of course *3 heat is the worst enemy of a battery life, but try not to use it while charging for those 25/30mins needed for a full charge and you'll be good to go.
I hope this clarifies things for people scared of using the boxed charger.
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*1 - could you elaborate on this here a tad bit more? What is the advantage of pumping power into two cells with total capacity of 4A/h put next to running a single cell with the same amount of power, with the cell being 4A/h too?
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This is simply not true. Mass production liPo cells are manufactured with 3.7V nominal voltage, 3V min. voltage and 4.2V max. voltage. When discharging a li-po cell your under-load voltage wouldn't zap anywhere outside the range of 3 - 4.2 volts at any point. If it did you would be saying ciao to that cell in the upcoming month.
According to what Ive learned past the last 12years of dealing with LiPos in my radio controlled aircrafts and, cell phones, smartphones, battery banks and so on and so on.. I am yet to see a mass production lithium cell whose "cell voltage" is 5 volts..? Sooo.. where do you get that from?
Do you have the kind of information that I am struggling to find on the inet right now? Such as who is the outsourced manufacturer of cells for realme? What is the grouping method of the two cells in our x2pro when charging - parallel or series?
The answer on the later two questions will paint it all as to what can we expect from the battery in our phones for the forseeable future.
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Heat is the result of charging and discharging the cell at higher than usually considered healthy charging and discharging rates. As far as Im concerned I don't think that realme are in possession of any advanced battery tech, and would be much more oriented towards trustworthy tested day in-day out type of chemistry in their batteries. Specially at the price point of my x2pro.
Taking into consideration that I can only conclude that realme are driving these cells at their maximum tolerance of charging current. I would be pretty entertained if the juice in this device is satisfactory past the 2 year mark. And shocked at the same time.

This has been spoke about before by oppo themselves and is available on the internet, it's 2x batteries at 2000mah each... The batteries are charged at the same time but independently and each battery is monitored at all times for heat etc... Total voltage is split between both to not apply to much pressure and as the batteries are 2000mah each it's obviously Parallel as you get total 4000mah.

Realme x2 pro has two batteries
Hey guys hope you are aware that realme x2 pro has 2 batteries of approximately 2000mah each and not one single 4000mah battery. That is what gives it the charging speed and the battery health is not affected because of the ingenious way VOOC works. You can watch the video on youtube. AccuBattery is not designed for phones with two batteries. Maybe we can expect compatibility for realme x2 pro in a future update.

Ab97 said:
Hey guys hope you are aware that realme x2 pro has 2 batteries of approximately 2000mah each and not one single 4000mah battery. That is what gives it the charging speed and the battery health is not affected because of the ingenious way VOOC works. You can watch the video on youtube. AccuBattery is not designed for phones with two batteries. Maybe we can expect compatibility for realme x2 pro in a future update.
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Just declare it as 2000 mAh and you're good.