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I've had my Verizon GS4 since late summer, and while it's a nice device, it's not as smooth as my GS3 was. No matter what ROM I use or what update I'm running, it still feels "laggy" a lot of times. My S3 was butter all around, never had a single hangup with it. However, I do enjoy the display on the S4, it's fantastic.
But, times are changing and I'm no longer picky about things as I used to be. I'm now looking for a device that's smooth, fast, and reliable. I'd also like to have a phone that's just a tad smaller, trying to carry the S4 with a case on my duty gear sucks sometimes.
I've been eyeing the Moto X since it came out and played with it in the store from time to time, seems really nice. I've bounced between the idea of getting the X or Droid Maxx, but it seems the X performs better.
Anyone here that used to have an S4 that went to the X? Thoughts?
Came from a S4...HTC One, Moto X, then iPhone (wat), DROID MAXX, and now Moto X. Yes call it abnormal but I like trying new things. Let me tell you, I normally don't go back to the same device twice but the Moto X is the first phone to do that to me. It's a fantastic phone for everyday use.
S4 was jank central, HTC One had, in my opinion, a well optimized Sense skin but terrible functionality on top of Android. Went to Moto X to try it out as I was skeptical if it could run well with its mid range specs. Hands down the best Android experience. Useful features such as Active Display and Touch less control is a great and useful thing to have.
Being adventurous and Ocd as I was, I wanted to compare it with the iPhone 5...let's not go there. Lasted 2 days until I went to a Droid MAXX.
Droid MAXX is just as smooth coupled with the same Moto X experience but the feel and ergonomics compared to the Moto X is unmatched.
And now I'm currently typing this from a Moto Made Moto X. My god is this thing a god send. So smooth and so efficient with Motorola's software optimization.
Do yourself a favor and switch to the Moto X. It has cured my flashing and device switching OCD for now.
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I jumped ship. I bought the S4 on release day and even though, on paper, it's superior spec wise it's nowhere near as smooth as my moto x. The only things I miss from my S4 is the camera, screen and the ir blaster. The feel, active notifications, and touchless controls trump all the things the S4 offered.
I did. I had the S4 for a bit but as soon as I found out about the Moto X and kept reading about it, I had to give it a try. Glad I did. It's much snappier and overall has a better feel in the hand then the S4 ever did.
The only thing I miss from the S4 is the awesome camera and a bit more dev support, there's definitely a lot more roms for the S4. But quite honestly there isn't much needed on this phone, it's awesome out of the box and with simply having xposed framework and some of those modules, you're set!
Well, I just found out that with the S4 on 4.3 (MJ7, etc), you cannot flash another kernel with Safestrap, you're locked into the stock kernel. I was hoping I could at least flash a different kernel to help with the lag issues, but that's not possible now.
Making the jump to the X more enticing, now.
I jumped and couldn't be happier!
First phone ever with "lower specs" but a much better experience (and battery life!)
I'm in the middle of considering it . I *LOVED* my Galaxy S 3, it worked great, then I upgraded to the S4 when it was released, signal strength never seemed as strong as with the S3 and I hoped a radio update would fix that, it never did...not to mention the weird storage partitioning they have (only 9gb available to the user on a 16gb device..da hell?)
When the Moto X price was reduced I bit the bullet as I had been tempted to buy it for quite awhile and that was the final straw, I purchased the Verizon Dev Edition, so far the screen is great, the speaker is AMAZING, and the battery life seems great!
I see a few of you have missed the camera from the S4, I was doing comparison shots yesterday with the S4 running CM11 (I know AOSP camera usually doesn't get as much love as stock), but the pictures looked pretty good on both phones to me, I actually preferred the Moto X versions on 9/10 pictures.
Can you only buy the Dev Edition from Motorola directly? If I go with the X, it will be the Dev Edition.
I'll be able to compare soon - I have an S4 for my work phone and my new moto arrives tomorrow. I love android, but wtf did Samsung do to make it so laggy? I can't flash it as its a work phone, so am stuck. Even the iPhone 5 feels fresh compared to it...!
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Can you only buy the Dev Edition from Motorola directly? If I go with the X, it will be the Dev Edition.
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Yeah
Either that, or websites like swappa
I switched last month to the MotoX from the S4... Haven't looked back. I like the software out of the box for the X. I even prefer it to CM11 that I was running on my S4. As a matter of fact I may be a dedicated Motorola (non-"droid") customer. I like what they did with the software from top to bottom.
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I switched last month to the MotoX from the S4... Haven't looked back. I like the software out of the box for the X. I even prefer it to CM11 that I was running on my S4...
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Agreed, I fully expected the X to become my backup phone, just in case anything happened to my S4, but now I'm just selling the S4. It doesn't even matter that my subsidized X doesn't have custom recovery, of course you won't have that problem with the Dev Edition.
So far its the Samsung thats leading in Android updates.....Moto X is behind.
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So far its the Samsung thats leading in Android updates.....Moto X is behind.
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You mean 4.4.2 only to Note 3 owners specifically in Poland!
I dunno, I'm posting on a .com here and my X is running 4.4.
Had an s4 the day it came out. I also have a HTC one and lg g2. Just picked up the moto x Dev edition over Xmas and as a true power switcher I'm hooked. You won't be disappointed.
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I to am a former user of a GS4 , and before that was the HTC one .
Like some people here, i also like to try new gadgets, and i also had gs3, nokia lumia, htx 8x, but mainly i use in my day to day 2 phones, iPhone 5s and now the moto X . I still have my GS4 and the nexus 5, but the moto x is overall better, nothing on the papper can tell you that, it just is.. the iphone i still have, but it's been since GS3 that apple phones are not my go to phone, they are the one i leave in the car or at home when i don't want to carry 2 phones, but they are light , small, and if you don't use it much it last 4 days with a single charge.
I am now going back to GS4, just because i got bored with the moto x, but i'm sure i will be back to it in no time, and there is no good reason to use my gs4 back, coz the moto x reception is much better (4g all the time in my region, with galaxy it keeps switching between 4g and H+ all the time), also the speaker is much louder and clear that i actually use the speakerphone during a call, and i can't even say its beacause the camera, coz i don't use it that much, or the SD card too, 16gb is more then enought for my usage, so no logic in going back to GS4.
This year the story will be the same i guess, i will be buying the GS5 , and be waiting for the release of the New Moto X .
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You mean 4.4.2 only to Note 3 owners specifically in Poland!
I dunno, I'm posting on a .com here and my X is running 4.4.
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Yeah it started to roll from Poland....I though GS4 also rolling update
s4 to moto x
I had the s4 for awhile. it was a good phone, I hated touch wiz though. it was laggish and gimmicky. I rooted it and went to cyangenmod. the phone was good, no serious problems. I just recently got the moto x. its honestly the best experienced I've had. at first I was a littlie nervous with the "mid range specs". but from personal use you would never guess it had "mid range specs". it is buttery smooth. and the screen was pretty good to. The battery life is surprisingly good, considering it only had a 2200 mAh battery. the only thing that isn't that good is the camera. but it still does take good pics. just not as good as my s4.
damn, must have been the rom I was running on my S4, because my X takes better pictures.
Photo guy with dslr's for like 20 years... yeah, I'm that guy. I'm not even fat, lol.
Moto X is solid as stock. GS4 is best used with a GPE ROM IMO, even if left at 4.2 with safestrap. Add Google Experience launcher, root and use GravityBox to either the Moto X or GS4 and you have a very similar experience that is epic. The X certainly does an outstanding delivery with the human integration. If screen size matters to you, choose accordingly. It is a very close call! Pretty amazing really because the X has the CPU of the GS3, but with the same GPU as the GS4. Moto won my trust back when they delivered the X after having lost it when they left the Atrix 4G in the dust.
I've had a rooted S4 since it came out last May, so over a year and a half, which I love, besides a few problems, and I was looking at the Moto X. I have read a bunch and I see that there is no root for the Verizon version. Has anyone made the switch from a rooted device that they loved to the unrooted Moto X? Curious if it is worth it or not as there are some Xposed modules I use quite a bit.
I came from the S3 on Verizon, which I had unlocked and rooted the whole time I owned it. Prior to that I had the OG EVO on Sprint, which was unlocked and rooted as well. I had a blast on the EVO and gained a lot of value from unlock/root then plus it was just exciting and enjoyable tinkering with it. The S3 experience was good in that I had AOSP ROMs, but I basically kept ending back on CM. While CM provided the latest version of Android, I was so tired of the problems that never seemed to go away-- SMS/MMS, bluetooth, GPS and more. It was to the point I would be reluctant to flash any update knowing a new problem would surface. I eventually just moved to a TouchWiz ROM and left it to avoid the problems. TWRP was buggy too, so I had to bounce around recoveries as well. That obviously is a part of using a rooted phone and messing with it, but I guess I got a little burned out with that. If you have free time and enjoy that whole process of testing things and tinkering, you would probably miss root/Xposed. For me, I wanted stock Android that worked. I think Moto's customizations are very smart and useful like a custom ROM. I miss cf.Lumen, which required root, but otherwise I like this phone and like having the latest Android. The Nexus 6 was too big for me. If you can handle that size (and price until there is a on-contract option), that could be an option. I also really enjoyed building a custom Moto with a leather back. You could write down everything you use root/Xposed for and see what alternatives exist in an unrooted world and go from there. If there are no deal breakers, I think it is a great phone with great software.
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I came from the S3 on Verizon, which I had unlocked and rooted the whole time I owned it. Prior to that I had the OG EVO on Sprint, which was unlocked and rooted as well. I had a blast on the EVO and gained a lot of value from unlock/root then plus it was just exciting and enjoyable tinkering with it. The S3 experience was good in that I had AOSP ROMs, but I basically kept ending back on CM. While CM provided the latest version of Android, I was so tired of the problems that never seemed to go away-- SMS/MMS, bluetooth, GPS and more. It was to the point I would be reluctant to flash any update knowing a new problem would surface. I eventually just moved to a TouchWiz ROM and left it to avoid the problems. TWRP was buggy too, so I had to bounce around recoveries as well. That obviously is a part of using a rooted phone and messing with it, but I guess I got a little burned out with that. If you have free time and enjoy that whole process of testing things and tinkering, you would probably miss root/Xposed. For me, I wanted stock Android that worked. I think Moto's customizations are very smart and useful like a custom ROM. I miss cf.Lumen, which required root, but otherwise I like this phone and like having the latest Android. The Nexus 6 was too big for me. If you can handle that size (and price until there is a on-contract option), that could be an option. I also really enjoyed building a custom Moto with a leather back. You could write down everything you use root/Xposed for and see what alternatives exist in an unrooted world and go from there. If there are no deal breakers, I think it is a great phone with great software.
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I appreciate you taking your time to write that up. I am almost 100% on buying it, but I just noticed the Droid Turbo. My real main reasons for not getting it already is the Non removable small battery and the camera. I have heard both sides of the fences with some saying they are fine, and some saying they are horrible. The Droid Turbo seems to have better camera and battery, but then again, I have heard both sides of the fences again, with people saying it isn't that much better, if even better at all. But the Moto X is so sexy compared to the Droid Turbo. The Non removable battery just really annoys me though. I go to a lot of conventions, and I like with the G4 having a spare battery to switch and instantly be at 100%.
I just can't wait until they come out with the PERFECT phone.......if that ever happens.....
Every time I'm at phone decision time I feel the same way. This one is too big. This one has an older chip... different resolution... AMOLED.... LCD... SD card on and on. I passed on the Turbo because I didn't like the back and old navigation bar icons. Spec-wise it is solid. This Moto X is my first non-removable battery and non-SD card phone. I got past the battery thing because I'm a working stiff. Most weeks I'm at the office then home. On weekends I use the turbo charger at home to give me the boost for the evening and I always have a couple of external battery packs for insurance and convenience. It is surprising how nice an external battery pack is even if you are just outside or somewhere away from a charger. Don't have to power down and get to keep on going. When I travel for work, I've noticed there are built in breaks where I can let my phone charge on a pack, e.g. airport security, checking out of hotels, catching rides, meeting suppliers at places, so I haven't found the battery to be an issue. We'll see how I feel about the SD card thing a year from now or so. I got the 32GB for $50 in hopes of at least making it manageable. The Moto X is a good looking phone though that is for sure.
I had the original Moto X (with unlocked bootloader), loved it. Then I got a new job that have me the S4 (which I rooted). Didn't really like it but still have it. Two weeks ago I had the opportunity to upgrade to the 2nd Gen Moto X, so now I'm carrying with me the S4 and new X (just to give some reference).
I liked the size of the old X, and wish I could have retained that. But I didn't want to get left behind by not upgrading. I do miss root, mainly for a few xposed modules like gravitybox, Moto tether, and exchange bypass. But since I have my work phone I can tether in a pinch (not frequently needed at all).
There are sacrifices to all changes. For me, owning the non-rootable 2nd Gen X was worth the tradeoffs. I think you would be happy with the transition if you don't mind sacrificing root (I'm hopeful a method will be released!). I like the feel of it more than the S4 (physical handling, plus the coolness factor of designing it), the speed (S4 just feels more bulky and stutters quite a bit more), and the Moto features. I've found the radios (esp wifi) better on the X. I have the 32GB and haven't run into a problem yet. Though I can't fairly compare batteries since I use the two for very different purposes throughout my day.
Good luck!
Thanks to both of you. I ordered a 32gb last night as well as the Turbo Charger. Can't wait! Hope it comes in fast.
About 4-5 days (including shipping)
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About 4-5 days (including shipping)
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Did it say the box where its made/shipped from? I remember them making the first one in Texas.
I am currently looking for a new phone, I was going to go for the S6 but I cannot stand touchwiz. I also use tasker quite heavily which requires root and will trip samsung knox voiding warranty.
I went into a store today and the N6 is quite a big larger than what I am used to but it comes with stock android. Any advice is welcome
Still worth it since it'll still probably support Android M and has top notch hardware.
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i just switched about 2 weeks ago from the 2013 Moto X to the N6 and i love it. i love the stock pure android, size bugged me for abit but no longer dose any longer. i have made some tweaks to the phone and i get 2 days battery life out of the phone even when i listen to music all day long at work. so i think it is a great phone but it is all up to personal taste
The reason I picked it up 2 weeks ago is because if I need to jump from carrier to carrier, at least I know if I have issues I will always get updates and not have to wait on Samsung or LG.
I have had the OPO since July last year and it has been a joy to use. The dev support and list of roms for the OPO is huge. But, I have never owned a Nexus phone and ever since the 6 came out I have been wanting to give it a try. With the current sale that Google has on the 6 right now ($549 for the 64GB), the temptation was just too great.
I don't think I will be dissapointed but I hope it is a little more than just a "bigger Oneplus One".
Any thoughts from those of you who are OPO/6 combo owners?
I too came from a OPO and it was a great phone. I had the galaxy nexus before that and I think there is some google magic that just brings me back to mother google. I have not done anything to my nexus 6 yet that includes even unlocking the bootloader. I have been enjoying it so far, the only thing I miss so far is the beast OPO battery life. Not to say that the nexus dies before the end of the day (I usually have about 20-30% remaining) with about 3-4hrs screen on time.
All round great phone, I'm going to unlock, root and custom recovery the nexus tonight.
Came to N6 from Note 4. My 1st pure android experience and love it. Will never go back to none stock android devices.
Shamu will arrive tomorrow says my FedEx tracking I will probably run stock for a little while but just like on my OPO, I will be flashing CM 12.1 soon. I would also like to install the M preview for fun. Other than the OPO, Shamu seems to be the only other choice for a phone that has ease of flashing a large database of roms AND with good dev support ( I suppose the Moto X would fit the same category too). Right now the OPO has a choice of over 40 Lollipop roms to choose from!
The nexus 6 is a great phone. Screen is vibrant and also has Google backing. I used cm 12.1 based rom which is almost like running stock android but just doesn't feel as smooth. The stock based roms feels much smoother in transitions and overall stability. If you ever used a Google play edition device you'll love stock android experience. Battery life on elemental x kernel is also fair for such a big device. Quick charge and wireless charging is also nice.
Never used an OPO but other than battery life and and camera the nexus 6 is superior. I'm not disappointed with either and thus is by far my favorite nexus to date, I just wish we had a soft grip back, the phone is slippery. But I use a case so I never notice
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UPDATE! I have had my N6 for almost 2 months now. This is a fantastic phone. Its my first N phone and I gotta say that the vanilla android is SMOOTH! After using it a couple of weeks I picked up my Oneplus running CM12.1 and the silky smoothness was not there. I like how everything just WORKS. Battery runs good too. If I go to bed at 100% I will wake up to 94-95%. I dig the dual loud speakers. I was redoing the front steps of my house and put the N6 on the front porch with Pandora running while I worked. I was very impressed!
After the first 4-5 weeks I rooted the phone and installed TWRP. At this point I have not had any desire to install any other roms.
I am a heavy Tasker user and its a joy to use on the N6.
Nova Launcher Prime is my current launcher and with Zooper Widgets the screen customizations are unlimited.
For me, the premium price for this phone over something like a Oneplus is WELL worth the money.
I'm honestly just curious as to how many of us would still buy the Turbo way back when if we knew Lollipop wouldn't be out until July and it wouldn't be getting the root we were all used to. I personally would have bought a Nexus 6 from the start seeing as I jumped ship to the Nexus a few days ago and I'm currently loving it and looking to sell my Turbo.
Honestly I would not have. Don't get me wrong I like the turbo, but I think if I had known it would take this long to get lollipop, I would have waited to get a verizon nexus 6/bought an unlocked one before it officially came out.
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Honestly I would not have. Don't get me wrong I like the turbo, but I think if I had known it would take this long to get lollipop, I would have waited to get a verizon nexus 6/bought an unlocked one before it officially came out.
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I just bought a turbo last week. I was using a Nexus 5 but mainly switched because of the battery life. I was very underwhelmed by lollipop on my Nexus 5, it made the battery life even worse so I ended up downgrading my Nexus to 4.4.4 SlimKat because I would get close to 50% more battery life that way. I don't get the hype lollipop gets on Turbo forums, maybe its just a grass is greener situation. And hey, maybe it will be amazing on the Turbo but I kind of doubt it.
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I just bought a turbo last week. I was using a Nexus 5 but mainly switched because of the battery life. I was very underwhelmed by lollipop on my Nexus 5, it made the battery life even worse so I ended up downgrading my Nexus to 4.4.4 SlimKat because I would get close to 50% more battery life that way. I don't get the hype lollipop gets on Turbo forums, maybe its just a grass is greener situation. And hey, maybe it will be amazing on the Turbo but I kind of doubt it.
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For me, going to the Nexus wasn't just about Lollipop. I love the unlocked bootloader and easy (and free!) root. Although I must say I really do prefer Lollipop to KitKat.
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For me, going to the Nexus wasn't just about Lollipop. I love the unlocked bootloader and easy (and free!) root. Although I must say I really do prefer Lollipop to KitKat.
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This as well. Prior to purchasing the turbo, I had a CM12 rom running on my bootloader unlocked Moto X 2013, and I loved it, but I wanted something a little more powerful. It surprises me how much smoother lollipop is on that old hardware than kitkat is on the monster that is the droid turbo. This is the main reason I can't wait for lollipop to be released for the turbo.
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This as well. Prior to purchasing the turbo, I had a CM12 rom running on my bootloader unlocked Moto X 2013, and I loved it, but I wanted something a little more powerful. It surprises me how much smoother lollipop is on that old hardware than kitkat is on the monster that is the droid turbo. This is the main reason I can't wait for lollipop to be released for the turbo.
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Agreed, Lollipop on the Nexus 6 feels much faster than KK on the Turbo. It'll probably be pretty great on the Turbo, ridiculously fast. I'm still keeping the Nexus though I do love the extra screen.
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For me, going to the Nexus wasn't just about Lollipop. I love the unlocked bootloader and easy (and free!) root. Although I must say I really do prefer Lollipop to KitKat.
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I know part of my problem just was the fact my Nexus 5 was on Sprint. But once I loaded lollipop I started having issues with MMS and calling dropping, which downgrading to 4.4.4 didn't really fix. I used to be big on messing with my phone, which is part of the reason I got the Nexus 5 to begin with, but lately I haven't done much like that anymore so the locked bootloader doesn't bother me so much anymore. I've turned into more of a battery freak and having to carry a battery charger in my pocket along with my Nexus was getting old.
Honestly though I am very surprised carriers haven't started selling an unlocked bootloader and rooted version of their flagship phones and just charging more for them.
I don't get all the people saying lollipop made their battery worse or made their device lag horribly - every device I have ran lollipop on has been better battery and smooth as butter. Don't know what I'm doing different.
But to the topic - no - if I had known how long I would have to wait and that the only stable root would be a crippled half root that requires a PC and paying more than my monthly water bill just to get - I would never have touched the turbo.
No, but not because of lollipop. Right after I bought my Turbo, Verizon released the Nexus 6. I would have much rather had the Nexus. I do love my Turbo though. Especially now that I've rooted it.
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Yes, it is still the most "complete" 5~ inch cell phone on the market, for my purposes. I don't use the camera very much. Otherwise, it's fast, robust, and has stamina to get me through a work day or more. The only thing that would make it better, for me, would be a 5 inch screen without buttons, and the same battery. Basically, a Moto X with a bigger battery and more power. In less than a week, I expect it to be running Lollipop. But, frankly, Lollipop is not feature rich enough to make a huge difference in actual use.
At this point I would prefer to have the G4 mainly because the specs are about the same and the aftermarket support for the device is much greater than ours. Even if we got the bootloader unlocked right now, there would be a limited number of developers for our phone because it doesn't have as much of a userbase.
If the "I love that 3900mAh battery" portion was not there, I would have chosen the reconsideration one.
Just bought a Turbo for my wife over the weekend. She's the last person to care about which OS version a phone runs on but will benefit from the great battery life and moto features.
I would still buy it. It is stable for me, and has great battery life.
Am looking forward to Lollipop, but that isn't a big deal to me. I have it on 4 other devices, and simply don't see what the fuss/excitement is about.
Also wish it had a better camera, but it is good enough.
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At this point I would prefer to have the G4 mainly because the specs are about the same and the aftermarket support for the device is much greater than ours. Even if we got the bootloader unlocked right now, there would be a limited number of developers for our phone because it doesn't have as much of a userbase.
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Another reason I bought the Nexus.. There's so many more options to play with and ROMs to try out.
I would not have gotten it. Wish I had waited for the nexus 6. I like the extra screen space. I could live with a smaller battery.
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I would not have gotten it. Wish I had waited for the nexus 6. I like the extra screen space. I could live with a smaller battery.
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If youre willing to wait a little, spend some time hunting around on Craigslist, eBay, or Swappa. I got a Nexus for a ridiculously good price by waiting for a great deal to pop up.
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I would not have gotten it. Wish I had waited for the nexus 6. I like the extra screen space. I could live with a smaller battery.
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Had the N6 BE AVAILABLE ON VZW I WOULD HAVE GONE WITH THAT OVER MY TURBO.. LOVE THE TURBO BUT ITS JUST BEEN A HEADACHE IN TERMS OF THE LOLLIPOP UPDATE IT SHOULD HAVE CAME WITH..SMH.. WAY TO FUMBLE VZW
I didn't buy and i wouldn't buy it today just because of the bootloader lock and verizon bloatware inside it.
Best phone I have ever owned, love all the features, performance, and battery. I would defiantly buy this phone again. Even had I known it would STILL not have an unlocked bootloader, it's just so damn good I can look past that.