Hey folks,
I'm currently using the HTC One S which is the worst and buggiest of a so called "smart"phone I've ever used. It often crashes, if the camera works is a gamble and the strange home button bug, which constantly presses the home button by itself, annoyingly interrupts everything.
It seems to be the time to get a new phone. This time I want to be sure to really get a smartphone which is not only smart but does not have that much bugs, too. To put it short I'd like to have a phone I can trust. I think the Xperia Z might be the phone of choice, but I also read many reports and threads talking about bugs like "sudden death" or problems with wifi when bluetooth is enabled.
With this post I ask you, as Xperia Z users, to tell me your honest opinion about it. Are you satisfied with it? Would you buy it again? Would you recommend it? Is it relaiable? Are there any bugs constantly interrupting you?
Another candidate for me might be the Galaxy S4 but since I do not really like Samsung and hate the phone's outer appearance I'd better like the Xperia. Do you agree?
I'd be very grateful if you reply to give me another point of view on this awesome (?) phone.
Greetings Max
P.S. I'm from german and I mostly read or hear english texts, but do not write them on my own so please forgive me any error I did. I hope you can understand me.
Wait for the Honami before making your decision. Some say that the Honami will come out in some parts of Asia at the end of this month.
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Wait for the Honami before making your decision. Some say that the Honami will come out in some parts of Asia at the end of this month.
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Thanks for the hint but I think I won't be able to get the phone in Germany when it is published in Asia or am I wrong? Another doubt I have about this phone is that it and its bugs would be unknown when published. I bought my current One S on the first day it was available since everyone was sure it'll be a great phone. Nobody new about the s*** HTC did to it. Learning from that I'd rather take a phone which has been out for a while, like the Xperia Z.
Besides all this I'll keep the Honami in mind so thanks again for the information.
Max
Well if s4 is an option then why Vue consider ONE, i know your experiences with HTC might have made up your mind not to go with another HTC device anytime soon btw do check our reviews and forums of one its loads better than one and looks like HTC has learnt and rectified a few of their mistakes. Now coming to Z - i wouldn't really recommend going for Z at this point of time not that Z is bad or has any deal breaking bugs but still its outdated compared to today's flagships devices and hence one needs to be skeptical about how future proof it is. Having said all this my advice would be to wait a bit longer because there are rumours afloat of even a refreshed Z with more recent SOC
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Thanks for the hint but I think I won't be able to get the phone in Germany when it is published in Asia or am I wrong? Another doubt I have about this phone is that it and its bugs would be unknown when published. I bought my current One S on the first day it was available since everyone was sure it'll be a great phone. Nobody new about the s*** HTC did to it. Learning from that I'd rather take a phone which has been out for a while, like the Xperia Z.
Besides all this I'll keep the Honami in mind so thanks again for the information.
Max
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Nein! The phone will be released in Asia first and then the rest of the world will follow. So it would just be a matter of waiting.
If you still want to go for the XZ then I'd still suggest to wait till the Honami comes out, that might make the XZ cheaper
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Well if s4 is an option then why Vue consider ONE, i know your experiences with HTC might have made up your mind not to go with another HTC device anytime soon btw do check our reviews and forums of one its loads better than one and looks like HTC has learnt and rectified a few of their mistakes. Now coming to Z - i wouldn't really recommend going for Z at this point of time not that Z is bad or has any deal breaking bugs but still its outdated compared to today's flagships devices and hence one needs to be skeptical about how future proof it is. Having said all this my advice would be to wait a bit longer because there are rumours afloat of even a refreshed Z with more recent SOC
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Yeah that's true.
I'd also choose between the S4 and the XZ
S4: Lots of custom roms, lots of updates to come because of the Google edition.
XZ: Looks way better then the S4 in my opinion, but also a bit more fragile?
Lots more updates to come because of the Honami ports, Google Edition.
Have a more unique phone compared to most people that have either an iPhone or a Samsung.
Thanks for your detailed replies!
@nikufellow: You are right. I don't trust HTC anymore and although I like the design of the One the missing sd card slot bothers me. The One S teached me how annoying it is to always watch the space. E.g at the moment I have to move some music to my notebook in order to be able to do a nandroid backup. That sucks. So thanks for your advice but I'd rather stay with a device providing the ability to extend storage.
Anyway a Xz with updated SOC or Honami would be really great but I think I can't wait much longer. Firstly I'd like to sell my One S on ebay as long as it brings in some money and secondly I get freaking crazy with this bug...
I guess an updated Xz won't be able to run the currently available ROMs but I love CM and would like to run it on Xz, too. Do you think that devs will make the work to port the current Xz's CM to the updated one? There are also two types of One S with different SOCs and the S3-One S is mostly put in second place meaning less ROMS and Kernels. I'd like to avoid this with Xz...
Max
Get the HTC One, and I say this as a guy who for the last month was considering getting the Z, but today I had them both in my hands, and it is obvious(atleast to me) the One is superior, not just specswise. Sure I'll miss the water proof/dust proof features of the Z, but the One is awesome.
It's my plan to visit a store an watch them all in reallife and include this experiences into my decision. But currently that's not quite possible since I'm stuck on an island for holyday Relay nice but no tech stores
Thanks anyway for the advice. I'll pay attention to the One.
After reading and watching dozens of reviews on the HTC One it really seems to be a pretty and fast device. I'll have to see it in real life to decide if it's worth it to give HTC a second chance. But there is still one thing that really bugs me. Why the hell did they just put two buttons on the damn phone?! It was a desaster on the One S to always have the three-dot-menu-button-bar at the bottom of every unsupported app and even though HTC fixed that in 4.2.2. it's still not acceptable to have two buttons instead of three -.-
... Is the question we get asked ALL the time on this forum. This is currently being written on my phone so there might be some typos. I'm going to try and explain why we as a community find it so hard to develop for this phone and maybe how we can solve it.
1. AOSP
Maybe one of the biggest issues with this phone - AOSP, and the device tree.
When Sony made this phone in 2014, Jellybean was originally made with this phone and it was very stable - whereas Sony rushed the Kitkat update, meaning that many, many bugs were left unfixed making the phone unstable. Sony couldn't be bothered to then support this phone any further and left us with this heap of a mess. They also rushed the kernel too - and this is where AOSP comes into play.
I recently posted in the AOSP support fourms about our phone and Sony said to boot into AOSP the phone would need to have extensive changes to the kernel to boot into AOSP. The reason they would have to make these changes (and by that they mean rework the entire ROM and firmware) is because Sony rushed the Kitkat update making everything unstable. This means that we have no full device tree meaning that building from source is very difficult. This is why Caio's CM11 is very buggy atm. Hopefully Caio and Kizoky will make a breakthrough soon. Good luck!
2. Why do we have so many Stock UI modified ROMs? (Yes, there is more to it than that)
It literally links in with the top post.
Because we have no full sources, we can't build free, custom ROMs that have nothing to do with Sony. If Sony gave us this (which right now Sony are not playing ball) we could, of course, build custom ROMs.
3. No support/repoduction? (I dont know if this phone is still being made)
Sony made a bad job of this phone; god, I would not buy this phone if it wasnt given to me. Support has ended for this phone because of its unpopularity; high cost, low-end specs, rushed updates. When Kitkat came out for us the update (as we know) was very rushed and a lot of users just... left this phone to mirgrate to different phones - my dad left this for a Galaxy A3 - and my god, what a phone that is for the price. Of course, a LOT of devs then left this phone, and so Sony left this phone as well.
This thread is in no way finished yet - there are many more things to add. I'm gonna get my hands dirty with this phone soon when summer break comes around for me, but ill start small until then. My plans are kernel first then maybe PA4 or CM developing, not sure yet.
Caio's and Kizoky's posts - thanks to them, @Caio99BR and @Kizoky
@Caio99BR
4. Why do the devs not like to develop for this device?
First because that reason #1 in first post, second because this is a low-end device, many of then not have a full developer (eg L1II, Xperia E) and when have most of then try to do something but is stopped by low knowledge or some impossible fix problem, third in my opinion is because confusion made in building a ROM to a new device.
5. Why are you building KitKat(CM11) and not JellyBean4.3(CM10.2)?
First problem: DualSim
Only CM11 support it, and we not have only the Single Variants, I have choiced this too for L3II, and this have been released with JB4.1.
After it this not have problems, the CM10.2 is more stable and with less ram consumption (like CM10.1 is more more stable and etc), but is more time lose if we back to it now, if someone want to make it, go and Good Luck
6. Why the greatest devs not make something to this device?
First thing is time, or if not time, just forgived this, 2 Recognized Developers (Yes, its a ****ing awesome flag) said "I have got this phone and I will do something for him", one posted at here on XDA, and other said it to me (member of FXP Team - greatest Team behind some Sony devices), today no one of two have made nothing, this last said "I will help you" but no, @Kizoky helped more than him, but I'm of subject.
By final its more a revolt than a answer, good devs after get flags, reputation, forgive simple things and not help others or not make that things he did to gain prestige.
Sorry if it not answer the ask, but it's the true, also sorry my english, its damaged.
@Kizoky
7. Low end phone
8. High price when phone released (Xperia E1 2014: 512mb 3MP Sony you are drunk vs. Xperia M 2013: 1024mb 5MP lower price)
9. Not available in the U.S
Good luck all with developing!
3. Why the devs not like to develop to this device?
First because that reason #1 in first post, second because this is a low-end devices, many of then not have a full developer (eg L1II, Xperia E) and when have most of then try to do something but is stopped by low knowledge or some impossible fix problem, third in my opinion is because confusion made in building a ROM to a new device.
4. Why are you building KitKat(CM11) and not JellyBean4.3(CM10.2)?
First problem: DualSim
Only CM11 support it, and we not have only the Single Variants, I have choiced this too for L3II, and this have been released with JB4.1.
After it this not have problems, the CM10.2 is more stable and with less ram consumption (like CM10.1 is more more stable and etc), but is more time lose if we back to it now, if someone want to make it, go and Good Lucky
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1. Low end phone
2. High price when phone released (Xperia E1 2014: 512mb 3MP Sony you are drunk vs. Xperia M 2013: 1024mb 5MP lower price)
3. Not available in the U.S
Haha thanks you two for those additions! About to go through OP and add some stuff; but ill leave your posts up and I wont add that stuff you guys said
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Haha thanks you two for those additions! About to go through OP and add some stuff; but ill leave your posts up and I wont add that stuff you guys said
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OK XD, other thing to add:
- Why the greatest devs not make something to this device?
First thing is time, or if not time, just forgived this, 2 Recognized Developers (Yes, its a ****ing awesome flag) said "I have got this phone and I will do something for him", one posted at here on XDA, and other said it to me (member of FXP Team - greatest Team behind some Sony devices), today no one of two have made nothing, this last said "I will help you" but no, @Kizoky helped more than him, but I'm of subject.
By final its more a revolt than a answer, good devs after get flags, reputation, forgive simple things and not help others or not make that things he did to gain prestige.
Sorry if it not answer the ask, but it's the true, also sorry my english, its damaged.
Some fun facts:
* The touchscreen used in Xperia E1 is more old than JB, made for MTK devices
* The bar led is the same used Xperia E
* Maybe because the Camera sensor Sony not builded the Lollipop for this device, since it's too old too, and need some hacks in kernel to make it work (by now camera sensor is broken on my LP and after in MM ROM :/)
I think that's all, just for annotation.
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Some fun facts:
* The touchscreen used in Xperia E1 is more old than JB, made for MTK devices
* The bar led is the same used Xperia E
* Maybe because the Camera sensor Sony not builded the Lollipop for this device, since it's too old too, and need some hacks in kernel to make it work (by now camera sensor is broken on my LP and after in MM ROM :/)
I think that's all, just for annotation.
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And sources for E1 is garbage
JB was rushed, and left buggy
KK was rushed, and left more buggy than JB
Sony didn't even bother to make this phone stable (and even refused to help E1 users)
Your CM11 is still has bugs, but it is more stable than Stock ROM, I wonder why..
Hey there.
I'm new to the Xperia scene, before I had various Samsung devices since the S1.
This means I'm pretty spoiled. The first thing I usually did on my S devices was rooting and installing CyanogenmodLineageOS, and it always worked flawlessly.
Now coming to the Xperia devices, what will the problems be that I'll face?
From what I've seen in the guides section, unlocking, rooting and TWRP is possible and already available, but there are some caveats with unlocking (loosing some proprietary features).
Second, what are the chances of getting LOS for this device?
im also new here and this finally looks like my kind of smartphone. Its small, premium and has pretty damn good features including a headphone jack! Currently on a OnePlus 5 and its.... okay? They really cheaped out on lots of things to make the stupid camera better which it still kinda sucks. Especially the glass on the front.... ive got scratches galore and it sits in my left pocket ALONE CONSTANTLY. the fact that it has any scratches is bullsh**.
Enough ranting, I'd love for this thread to get more attention! I just really want to know what this thing will cost. hopefully under 500.... or even less than that. Its a tiny phone cmon price tag.... wondering how this battery will do and what kind of dev support it will be getting! definitely will check up whenever this thing comes out
Where do you see the root is available? There is only a bounty thread to someone find a rooting method. And I think due to Android 8 and it's new features it will be not easy.
So for now accept the Sony stock ROM, Sony makes pretty clean ROMs so it should be a joy for you to use something new
About loosing some functionality (like Sony DRMem photo processing, Track ID license etc.), on previous Xperias you loose these functions only when you're unlocking the bootloader. If there is a rooting method with locked bootloader then you loose nothing (for example on Z3 Compact).
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Where do you see the root is available? There is only a bounty thread to someone find a rooting method. And I think due to Android 8 and it's new features it will be not easy.
So for now accept the Sony stock ROM, Sony makes pretty clean ROMs so it should be a joy for you to use something new
About loosing some functionality (like Sony DRMem photo processing, Track ID license etc.), on previous Xperias you loose these functions only when you're unlocking the bootloader. If there is a rooting method with locked bootloader then you loose nothing (for example on Z3 Compact).
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With Root, I was referring to the "All Things XPERIA" thread, and to unlocking the bootloader.
Should be no problem to achieve root like that, however then there's the DRM-stuff...
The ROM itself is fine, but I tend to rely on some things like Titanium Backup and Tasker.
Guess the Xperia line isn't the best choice for me after all.
Shame cause I already preordered ;D
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With Root, I was referring to the "All Things XPERIA" thread, and to unlocking the bootloader.
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Bare in mind that is a general reference for previous devices and until XPERIA devs get devices with Oreo then it's going to be a waiting game.
So is it possible to get get the unlock code to a CLT-L29 in 2020?
I was backing up pictures with USB, and cable was loose and fell off, and for some reason that made my P20 remove all media on my phone.
Due to limitations in EMUI 9 i cant use any deepscan, but might work on EMUI 8, but my phone wont show the allow PC remote hisuite app window to appear, so its a bust.
Next i wanna try ROOT, but need unlock code to root.
Has anyone any way of getting this code? that know it works? dont feel like spending 50$ on a fake page/service.
// Fredrik
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So is it possible to get get the unlock code to a CLT-L29 in 2020?
I was backing up pictures with USB, and cable was loose and fell off, and for some reason that made my P20 remove all media on my phone.
Due to limitations in EMUI 9 i cant use any deepscan, but might work on EMUI 8, but my phone wont show the allow PC remote hisuite app window to appear, so its a bust.
Next i wanna try ROOT, but need unlock code to root.
Has anyone any way of getting this code? that know it works? dont feel like spending 50$ on a fake page/service.
// Fredrik
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Officially or unofficially, no.
However there is one method which involves opening the phone, this is going to remain the only method unless a team tries to work it out which I highly doubt.
Crap I know, not a lot you can do pal. Most people have jumped ship. Can't see anyone who mods their phone buying Huawei ever again. I certainly won't.
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Officially or unofficially, no.
However there is one method which involves opening the phone, this is going to remain the only method unless a team tries to work it out which I highly doubt.
Crap I know, not a lot you can do pal. Most people have jumped ship. Can't see anyone who mods their phone buying Huawei ever again. I certainly won't.
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You'll never walk alone!
dladz said:
Officially or unofficially, no.
However there is one method which involves opening the phone, this is going to remain the only method unless a team tries to work it out which I highly doubt.
Crap I know, not a lot you can do pal. Most people have jumped ship. Can't see anyone who mods their phone buying Huawei ever again. I certainly won't.
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Neither would i too. Tired of all the waiting and issues that i had with huawei, to the point where i will be switching to Iphone.
I will say it again for huawei : Great hardware, **** software.
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Neither would i too. Tired of all the waiting and issues that i had with huawei, to the point where i will be switching to Iphone.
I will say it again for huawei : Great hardware, **** software.
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GPU is crap too, but I agree for the most part.
Never again
OnePlus mate, get the 8, I wouldn't buy apple personally.
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GPU is crap too, but I agree for the most part.
Never again
OnePlus mate, get the 8, I wouldn't buy apple personally.
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Well, i am done with Android in general. Google's been removing features each update and honestly, the **** optimization that Android has regarding multitasking is so bad....how could Apple use 4gb of ram to keep so many apps easily?
Oneplus, yeah, they have their opimizations here and there, but i don't want to go set up the app background limit or some other stuff just to get it fictional (according to dontkillmyapp.com)
Either way, i will see what will happen in the future. If oneplus 8 comes with true water resistance and wireless charging, then sure as hell i might switch to it. If not, then i am going for Apple (i'd rather pay a kidney and know i got a functional device that will have 5+ years of updates)
Still it's sad that Huawei doesn't co-op with the xda community by letting us test harmony OS, develop apps and report bugs, but oh well...
I am also very interested in what op 8 brings but i would be slightly more skeptical. Well sure, if dev support and performance are the only factors go get it. Keep in mind that Oneplus (7 serie) is also known for terrible ram management. Another thing worth to consider is camera. Compared to huawei, samsung, pixel or iPhone it is just ok. If you have time please read op 7t pro review on xda. It's long but worth to read.
Btw. You're totally right about root and development today. It's not that fun anymore, unlocking bl often breaks functionality of crucial apps (like paying with phone) and magisk hide doesn't help it all.
(besides even op 7t pro doesn't have fully working twrp yet).
As for the iPhone. Price is still scary and storage/battery capacity is a joke. Only iphone 11 pro max gets decent size battery... and beats android handsets on this field About ios it's all about t personal preferences.
There is method called BLK, it costs about 30 dollars to get BLK key and two guys who know how to do it will help you with getting bootloader code for free. You can contact them at huaweihax on telegram
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I am also very interested in what op 8 brings but i would be slightly more skeptical. Well sure, if dev support and performance are the only factors go get it. Keep in mind that Oneplus (7 serie) is also known for terrible ram management. Another thing worth to consider is camera. Compared to huawei, samsung, pixel or iPhone it is just ok. If you have time please read op 7t pro review on xda. It's long but worth to read.
Btw. You're totally right about root and development today. It's not that fun anymore, unlocking bl often breaks functionality of crucial apps (like paying with phone) and magisk hide doesn't help it all.
(besides even op 7t pro doesn't have fully working twrp yet).
As for the iPhone. Price is still scary and storage/battery capacity is a joke. Only iphone 11 pro max gets decent size battery... and beats android handsets on this field About ios it's all about t personal preferences.
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I mean, you get what you pay for. I am not an apple fanboy since i never got a chance to fully test an iphone or any apple product, but honestly, after testing an iphone 11 pro in a store (as well as iphone 11 which, for an hd screen, it looks pretty good), i'd take the risk with the prices just for a phone that will hold me very well for more than 5 years. Storage wise, i always do cleanup on my phone and, on my p20 pro, i barely used the 128gb storage (sits somewhere under 32gb). About battery, for a 3000mah battery, it holds longer than my p20 pro, which is amazing! Yeah, the max pro is better but it is too big and large to even fit in my pocket. But either way, i will see what iphone i should get.
I wish ANDROID OEM's would keep up with apple and bring up at least 5 years of OS updates, especially when they have their own services.
And thank you for agreeing with me regarding my opinion about bootloader unlocking. It is pretty much useless and Google may just disable the adb command in the near future. Why sacrifice 80% of the phone's features for a custom rom?
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There is method called BLK, it costs about 30 dollars to get BLK key and two guys who know how to do it will help you with getting bootloader code for free. You can contact them at huaweihax on telegram
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..... Interesting, has anyone on these forums had any success with this method?
(other than the thread by @XTutorials https://forum.xda-developers.com/huawei-p20-pro/how-to/finnaly-t3972825 - which i noted with interest but nothing much seemed to come of it)
Could really do with hearing some success stories - I don't mind sabotaging the phone by getting the cover off and losing water-resistance.... but I'd want to be reasonably sure it was going to work :laugh:
What is the features that everyone wants from unlocking bootloade on this phoner? I've had an unlocked bootloader since i bought this phone, however never seen any great benefit apart from ad blocking. Been running stock for 6 months now though. I came from a long list of HTC devices where modding was fun and actual features added. I just don't see any major benefit of doing this on this phone. Basically no Devs development. If you wanted closer stock Android, not sure why anyone would have bought Huawei in the first place. Maybe im missing some super feature, if so, please tell me.
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What is the features that everyone wants from unlocking bootloade on this phoner? I've had an unlocked bootloader since i bought this phone, however never seen any great benefit apart from ad blocking. Been running stock for 6 months now though. I came from a long list of HTC devices where modding was fun and actual features added. I just don't see any major benefit of doing this on this phone. Basically no Devs development. If you wanted closer stock Android, not sure why anyone would have bought Huawei in the first place. Maybe im missing some super feature, if so, please tell me.
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Pretty much "xdatards" complaining at every huawei post that they no longer provide bootloader unlocking. I mean, samsung and other big oem still don't allow it or it does but breaks the entire software and they barely have any custom roms (not talking about xiaomi or oneplus)
Either way, i won't be surprised if Google removes the bootloader unlock command from adb in the next big android update.
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What is the features that everyone wants from unlocking ......
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Personally, I'm not interested in any phone restricted to EMUI - whilst it's not a terrible iteration of Android it's still too restrictive by half (e.g. the low maximum headphone volume really pee'd me off!)
I don't understand all the excitement of EMUI updates on these forums - whatever Huawei churn out next it will probably be more restrictive rubbish. IMO the only hope is Lineage 16.0 - I'm running that on a View 10 and it's a good daily driver (although a little tricky to install and maintain)
But you're right: Q: Why buy a Huawei if you're interested in stock Android experience?
A: It was a mistake with hindsight....!
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Personally, I'm not interested in any phone restricted to EMUI - whilst it's not a terrible iteration of Android it's still too restrictive by half (e.g. the low maximum headphone volume really pee'd me off!)
I don't understand all the excitement of EMUI updates on these forums - whatever Huawei churn out next it will probably be more restrictive rubbish. IMO the only hope is Lineage 16.0 - I'm running that on a View 10 and it's a good daily driver (although a little tricky to install and maintain)
But you're right: Q: Why buy a Huawei if you're interested in stock Android experience?
A: It was a mistake with hindsight....!
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They already blocked the bootloader unlocking thing in emui 10, just like how every android oem will do in their next major update.
I start to think that Apple is no longer the **** company now when it comes to mobile market, it's the android oem. Let's be fair : you pay 1k for a phone that becomes irrelevant in 2 years, becomes slowers because of those so called "security updates", no custom rom support (even though custom roms are pretty much dead at this point, barely any builds coming up), and other software related issues.
What the hell is innovation if software is the main point of a product? Those so called "Isheeps" are so right with android's terrible update platform and optimization. 12gb of ram for what? Just for specs to flex with.
Everybody should switch to Iphones at this point.
Huawei tried to kill apple but honestly, with their broken promises, i start to think that maybe the android ban is a good reason for Huawei to start respecting customers and coop with them. After all, they want to be on top...
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Well, i am done with Android in general. Google's been removing features each update and honestly, the **** optimization that Android has regarding multitasking is so bad....how could Apple use 4gb of ram to keep so many apps easily?
Oneplus, yeah, they have their opimizations here and there, but i don't want to go set up the app background limit or some other stuff just to get it fictional (according to dontkillmyapp.com)
Either way, i will see what will happen in the future. If oneplus 8 comes with true water resistance and wireless charging, then sure as hell i might switch to it. If not, then i am going for Apple (i'd rather pay a kidney and know i got a functional device that will have 5+ years of updates)
Still it's sad that Huawei doesn't co-op with the xda community by letting us test harmony OS, develop apps and report bugs, but oh well...
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Screw Huawei, they deserve it.
As for Apple, it's exactly the same with Mac OS Vs windows, windows has to work on a plethora of hardware combinations, as does android, osx and iOS have very very very limited hardware combinations, bare in mind how much android has caught up, it's not noticeable any longer, in fact a lot of phones have surpassed apple in so many ways. Oneplus and Pixels namely.
I've lived with Apple once, that was enough
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They already blocked the bootloader unlocking thing in emui 10, just like how every android oem will do in their next major update.
I start to think that Apple is no longer the **** company now when it comes to mobile market, it's the android oem. Let's be fair : you pay 1k for a phone that becomes irrelevant in 2 years, becomes slowers because of those so called "security updates", no custom rom support (even though custom roms are pretty much dead at this point, barely any builds coming up), and other software related issues.
What the hell is innovation if software is the main point of a product? Those so called "Isheeps" are so right with android's terrible update platform and optimization. 12gb of ram for what? Just for specs to flex with.
Everybody should switch to Iphones at this point.
Huawei tried to kill apple but honestly, with their broken promises, i start to think that maybe the android ban is a good reason for Huawei to start respecting customers and coop with them. After all, they want to be on top...
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Where are you getting this from?? Samsung, OnePlus, Google, lg, have all kept the door open for bootloader unlocking or did I miss something?
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JJ2017 said:
I don't understand all the excitement of EMUI updates on these forums - whatever Huawei churn out next it will probably be more restrictive rubbish. IMO the only hope is Lineage 16.0 - I'm running that on a View 10 and it's a good daily driver (although a little tricky to install and maintain)
But you're right: Q: Why buy a Huawei if you're interested in stock Android experience?
A: It was a mistake with hindsight....!
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Lol about the updates, for many it's the potential prospect of having anything other than EMUI and or any limitations being lifted and or the poor optimizations becoming better than the trash that we've had to get used to.
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purple patch said:
What is the features that everyone wants from unlocking bootloade on this phoner? I've had an unlocked bootloader since i bought this phone, however never seen any great benefit apart from ad blocking. Been running stock for 6 months now though. I came from a long list of HTC devices where modding was fun and actual features added. I just don't see any major benefit of doing this on this phone. Basically no Devs development. If you wanted closer stock Android, not sure why anyone would have bought Huawei in the first place. Maybe im missing some super feature, if so, please tell me.
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Titanium.
AOSIP ROM
True ad blocking
Xposed
Magisk mods
Snapchat mods
Ability to remove zram (massive boost in gaming and device speed)
Root optimizations
Root apps
Kernels
TWRP mods
True dark mode (something I've been using for several years not this awful crap they're calling a feature nowadays)
I could be here all day long.
Removing the shackles, gives you freedom, it's your choice what you do with it.
This is the essence of android, which is why people are annoyed at Huawei primarily amongst other awful decisions.
dladz said:
Where are you getting this from?? Samsung, OnePlus, Google, lg, have all kept the door open for bootloader unlocking or did I miss something?
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Possibility to unlock bl is limited to regional releases in case of LG or Samsung. Lastly i check there was no way to unlock bl on lg g8 (flagship 2019). LG update policy is the most stupid ive ever experienced. Regarding galaxy s serie - there are still regional variants (eg american carrier branded) where unlocking bl is not available.
As for the perks you mentioned... I am afraid not of them are available / fully working today. I am not a gamer so only adblock is sth really useful to me, but it's not a deal breaker.
Couple of years ago root meant sth. Gave you freedom and didn't bring any negative consequences. It's no longer the case. I think root scene will be dead within couple of years.
It's a shame that htc is dead. Their flagships were equipped with top notch hw and devs support was among the best on xda.
Unlock bootloader on samsung : Knox ****s the entire phone up
Unlock bootloader on lg : impossible on some phone variants
What i was talking about is that all companies like to copy eachother, no matter how small or big it is. Take a note with the disappearance of the headphone jack : Apple did it first and then everybody did it too. Huawei got the in display fingerprint scanner and reverse wireless charging : Samsung copies it.
Now with emui 10, Google can as well block the unlock command because then companies will copy this "feature".
Actually, since the iphone 11 pro release, Apple caught up with the competition of flagship devices.
I understand you regarding oneplus being a good comapany that allows bootloader unlocking. But the thing is : you unlock it you loose some important daily driver features like banking apps (which i use). Oneplus, by the looks of it, did it so well with the speed and optimization, however i'm not sure how well they did it with ram management. Either way, when it comes to overall support and less headaches, Apple does it better. "it just works!"
Still, let's see what 2020 brings up. Huawei might redeem themselves this time. If not, then say goodbye because i don't give more chances.
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forever_lol said:
Possibility to unlock bl is limited to regional releases in case of LG or Samsung. Lastly i check there was no way to unlock bl on lg g8 (flagship 2019). LG update policy is the most stupid ive ever experienced.
As for the perks you mentioned... I am afraid not of them are available / fully working today. I am not a gamer so only adblock is sth really useful to me, but it's not a deal breaker.
Couple of years ago root meant sth. Gave you freedom and didn't bring any negative consequences. It's no longer the case. I think root scene will be dead within couple of years.
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Unfortunately, the root community is pretty much dying since summer 2019 (imo). Most rooting apps can be used with adb (like appops and shizuku). Either way, like i said, i won't be surprised if Google blocks unlocking in the adb command.
Also, Huawei can root their phones using service mode, but nobody has access to their service software, yet.
I think we will disagree on this. I cannot remember everything I use root for, but things do pop up from time to time.
It's just easier with root.
Android will always have root and if not then it's the end of android, i really wouldn't bother anymore.
What I mentioned still works btw, and yes you do trust the efuse chip on some devices, but so what, it's worth it.
Losing a banking app? You use it yes but that's you lol, I would trade that off for root.
Apple is still a closed eco system and always will be I honestly cannot see android ever being that way, if it is then bye bye android.
This is my opinion and it's staying that way lads, sorry but that's me.
dladz said:
I think we will disagree on this. I cannot remember everything I use root for, but things do pop up from time to time.
It's just easier with root.
Android will always have root and if not then it's the end of android, i really wouldn't bother anymore.
What I mentioned still works btw, and yes you do trust the efuse chip on some devices, but so what, it's worth it.
Losing a banking app? You use it yes but that's you lol, I would trade that off for root.
Apple is still a closed eco system and always will be I honestly cannot see android ever being that way, if it is then bye bye android.
This is my opinion and it's staying that way lads, sorry but that's me.
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If Google completely killed rooting, ppl will still buy them. XDA rooting is a niche market now days. Rooting, custom ROMs etc was fun while it lasted. I still love android eco system, way superior to iDevices. iPhones can be jailbroken too, not as closed as you might think.
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If Google completely killed rooting, ppl will still buy them. XDA rooting is a niche market now days. Rooting, custom ROMs etc was fun while it lasted. I still love android eco system, way superior to iDevices. iPhones can be jailbroken too, not as closed as you might think.
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Quite a defeatist attitude of you. ask me, jailbreak didn't work on the latest OS, it's cat and mouse, not the same thing as root, not the same OS, your comparing oranges and apples.
Google won't do that, not being naive either, time will tell. I didn't think unlocked multipliers on CPUs would still be around today, yet here we are with a dedicated line for both AMD and Intel, GPU had now followed suit as had RAM.
Google isn't dead, they're just getting started, closing off a massive part of what made them famous in the first place isn't something they're going to embrace, that's the likes of Huaweis job.
Time will tell, right now it's open and there's nothing to suggest otherwise, besides the backlash should it happen.
If it did happen I would have no hesitation to buy apple, at that point android would have lost their ace up their sleeve, because I'm a small minority who thinks that doesnt mean I'm wrong, not wanting to follow the masses is a good thing, and going by Google's hiring techniques they'd agree.
Good Morning,
i have no technical background but using software and Hardware. Keep hardware for a long time.
Joined as I replace with a xperia 1 .
I like the new phone and was happy with the price, but it has a catch.
I purchase a SO-03L Version with a disgustingly infected(couple dozen of stupid unisntalable apps &n services NTT DOCOMA operating system.
I like to use it via the german Vodafon network.
The device is sim UNlocked
I always would liked to use my phone with a selfchosen clean OS and as want to use the chance of the the device to try a custom os ( lineage OS or maybe the Pixel rom).
I am well aware that most Information are most likely already publish within this forum but I yet struggle to gather them to feel confident about flashbooting my precious device.
Anyhow, if anyone could direct me to the right thread or would even be willing to assist me via dm or similar I would appreciate it.
OL_BERST said:
Good Morning,
i have no technical background but using software and Hardware. Keep hardware for a long time.
Joined as I replace with a xperia 1 .
I like the new phone and was happy with the price, but it has a catch.
I purchase a SO-03L Version with a disgustingly infected(couple dozen of stupid unisntalable apps &n services NTT DOCOMA operating system.
I like to use it via the german Vodafon network.
The device is sim UNlocked
I always liked to use my phone with a selfchosen clean OS and as want to use the chance of the the device to try a custom os ( lineage OS or maybe the Pixel rom).
I am well aware that most Information are most likely already publish within this forum but I yet struggle to gather them to feel confident about flashbooting my precious device.
Anyhow, if anyone could direct me to the right thread or would even be willing to assist me via dm or similar I would appreciate it.
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Welcome to XDA
OL_BERST said:
Good Morning,
i have no technical background but using software and Hardware. Keep hardware for a long time.
Joined as I replace with a xperia 1 .
I like the new phone and was happy with the price, but it has a catch.
I purchase a SO-03L Version with a disgustingly infected(couple dozen of stupid unisntalable apps &n services NTT DOCOMA operating system.
I like to use it via the german Vodafon network.
The device is sim UNlocked
I always liked to use my phone with a selfchosen clean OS and as want to use the chance of the the device to try a custom os ( lineage OS or maybe the Pixel rom).
I am well aware that most Information are most likely already publish within this forum but I yet struggle to gather them to feel confident about flashbooting my precious device.
Anyhow, if anyone could direct me to the right thread or would even be willing to assist me via dm or similar I would appreciate it.
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Moin,
curious about how active the community is. After using the phone "branded" by NTT, I still like the hardware, but the spammy and messy OS doesn't spark joy at all + I am struggling to connect to my german vodafone network without further steps.
even tho I did quite a bit of reading into custom forms, I never ever installed flash tool etc in the fear bricking my precious phone Had a fight with my girl and will proof this evening that I am capable of making that phone my phone.
I will gather and sort my steps and publish them here, if it work smoothly it will be documented and if I was a fool and f*** up to follow not even a dozen step manual, I deeply wish some veteran slides into my notifications >oo<
GER/EN SPANISH
For Prep I will use the Guide (https://xperiastockrom.com/flash-sony-xperia-stock-rom)
EDIT: JUST CHECKED comments and seems working with emma method so won t work with phones post 2017 ( ITHINK?)
NOTE: MY Last phone died a epic death of touchscreen and I a couldn't recover much data any way. so I did some backup, but it ain t worth a lot.
New Phone new life:-D
I am concerned as in XDA Thread ( https://forum.xda-developers.com/t/can-i-fash-xperia-1-so3l-to-global-rom.4436503/ )
the SO 03L brought up issues even tho some solve it with"poking the fingerprint sensor")^^
Step 1: Get smooth
Using a Dell xps 14 Win 10 connected to wlan and electricity and the phone is charged by 99%
No SIM no sd card card
USB C cable is proudly "donated" by an SCAN DISK sdd harddrive so should be a decent enough.
Next Step. BACK UP and factory reset
Another check for SIM LOCK issues and note of the IMEI
Back to draft: looking into
Using https://developer.sony.com/develop/open-devices/get-started/unlock-bootloader
[Unofficial] TWRP For Xperia 1
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got a message from a local from east Berlin, who deggoogles phones woho promised to look into the subject, so I am a little less rushed.
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Rooting Status:
Bootloaderunlock allowed: NO ---------------Am I in trouble?
I am laughing my ass off about my naivety. If someone knows how to bypass give me shout
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Light on the horizon ? S UNLOCK TOOL
Note Link available in the forum, I took it out as the tool requires payment and after reading I ll think it is unnecessary as already available in the forum.
I took a breath and postpone it. Supposedly the shop agreed to refund if I am not happy, but await answer of the forum and local network
Thanks
Friday iam meeting with a workshop to flash the phone.
Recommanationas for a rom