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Sorry if this is "Not a done thing", but really... every second damn thread is petitions, lawsuits, etc and poor me, my phone doesn't open a can of beans as fast as that guys!
XDA, to the best of my knowledge, was filled with intelligent, PRODUCTIVE people, improving their devices, and people being appreciative of what they can do now... but enough is enough now.
If you don't like the device - buy a damn nokia.
Your kidding yourselves - there will be NO CLASS ACTION. Grow up.
Mods - Can these threads be moved into a sub catagory of their own, so that people like me can access information without having to scroll through this rubbish constantly.
At the main Kaiser catagory, there can be:
Kaiser
Kaiser upgrading etc.
Kaiser accessories
Kaiser Waaa Waaa'íng
Ok, pick another name for the category if you must - But please... it really is getting beyond a joke with it all now...
And please, before I get lynched for going against what is all so important to you... You have your threads. I am not going to sit here and retaliate about who is owed what - I don't care.
This post is just a plea to the Mods to consider creating a place for all of these threads as it is apparently a very in demand topic.
If they say no - then so be it - Close this thread, and move on.
If they say yes, then hot damn, I can get back to enjoying this site again...
Ok, I've vented, I feel better. Now it's late here, so I'm off to bed to return tomorrow to see 19000 people have hijacked the thread asking the Mods to ban me...
I hope there is still some intelligence out there...
Respect our opinions, and we'll respect yours.
For example, I'll categorize this thread under Kaiser Waa Waa'ing also, since it's complaining the same sense that we are about drivers.
I SECOND this thread as I too am tired of every other thread mentioning this. Why not make a Kaiser Driver subforum.
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Respect our opinions, and we'll respect yours.
For example, I'll categorize this thread under Kaiser Waa Waa'ing also, since it's complaining the same sense that we are about drivers.
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And thats fine - Then the purpose of my thread would have been achieved.
Not bad... That was literally 20 seconds from the thread being created to the first complaint...
Ok.. 2 minutes apparently - but still!!
Fb401... bless you!
Whilst I don't agree with the full content of greeek's post, he does have a point.
When I first came to XDA-devs, the main Kaiser forum was full of useful tips, new software and user recommendations. Recently though, the pages are all full of threads about the drivers issue.
Whilst I follow these avidly in the hopes of a solution, they to tend to get in the way of using the forum. This isn't helped by the endless duplication when everyone with a question about the issue starts up a new damn thread, rather than adding to an existing one.
It might actually be a good idea to sub-categorise this, if only so there is a dedicated area where these issues can discussed. You could argue we should separate sub-fora for all discrete issues, but I think the driver issue is a special case due to amount of forum space and time it attracts - not to mention the way it polarises attitudes.
Proponents of the class action might argue it deflects attention and makes it harder for newbies to become aware of the issue or to contribute. However, chances are that if they are here on the site, they might already know - and if not, which update-seeking, mod-hungry XDA owner is going to ignore a forum called Kaiser Drivers (for example)? Not many!
So whilst I support the class action, and any other approach to improving our Kaisers, I also support maintaining the forum as a place where developers are still keen to come and contribute (so we can happily hoover up their efforts!)
Sorry for the long post - seems like reasoned and measured discussion has been replaced by instant flaming and jeering recently and I thought it was worth trying to reintroduce it.
Or, we could just watch the developers leave the site in despair and disgust, and rebrand the site to XDA-Grievances?
Me too
Surely the mods would agree that there is enough interest and enough disinterest in the drivers issue to warrant separating the issues. This would cut down on screen space wasted on personal attacks.
A sub-cat is a good idea.
Here's my vote for a sub-category.
I suggest we also make a subcategory called "Kaiser Waa Waa'ing about Waa Waa'ing", just to cover those who complain about people complaining.
At this moment in time Kaiser driver issue is the biggest and most worrysome issue for the most Kaiser owners on this forum. Don't believe me - look at signature/money fund threads.
So, no wonder forum is filled with people talking about it. That's what the forum is for - people talking about their PPCs. Obviously, when this all gets solved/not solved, there will be something else. There's always some topic that is popular and that will fill up the forum. So what? Don't see a problem. There's PLENTY of other threads not even touching the drivers, it's not like nothing else siezed to exist..
So stop Waa Waa'ing.
What he said. Not going to bother quoting the entire post, but seriously...I came to XDA on the Uni section and helped where I could, and took it by the bucketful. Nowadays, I get bored by page 2 of 4 of the days new posts (set to 100 per page) and just give up looking for posts I might be able to help on because I'm sick of the driver and I'm off type posts.
Seriously, chuck the posts in a sub forum of some sort, and maybe leave one sticky "My Kaiser from rip-off HTC is slow" type thread pointing people to the sub-forum. I'm sure if the driver issues are ever resolved you could post it in the "Wallaby accessories" forum and it would still be all over the world in seconds!
Sorry for agreeing with the moaner about the moaners, moaning!
OK, I'm now opening the betting pool on Godwin's. I'll take Page 5...
FWIW I don't think a Sub-cat is needed, but I wouldn't object if one was created.
James
Yeah, it gets annoying filtering through all those threads about a problem that will likely never get solved due to the Broadcom injunction against Qualcomm. (Which last I read, forbids Qualcomm from even giving support for covered chipsets to their customers - this includes the MSM7200. This may not be the case any more - they are still making Tilts after all...)
HTC is probably contractually bound not to blame Qualcomm in any public response for not providing chipset documentation, and Qualcomm is now legally bound not to provide that documentation (as it would be "support" as defined in the Broadcom patent injunction).
It's an important issue, and I'm more than willing to fight a battle I'll never win, as long as it makes an impact somehow, and I believe it has. We've gotten coverage on Engadget and other mainstream tech news sites. At very least it SHOULD let HTC know that some of their customers are smart and will fight to get what they've paid for. It's important for users to log into the Kaiser forum and see all of the complaints, as it really gets people looking into their own devices to see if they are experiences these same slow downs as other people are reporting, and if they are, they too can join the fight. I'm not sure how painful it might be for you to just skip over a thread about drivers that will make you hit the next page button a thread earlier, but it's not as ridiculous as you're making it out to be. In fact, right now on Page 1 of the Kaiser forum, I see 5 out of 20 threads about the drivers, one being your own complaint about the complaining. I also included the thread entitled, "Is your Kaiser grusomely slow" which I haven't read, but I assume isn't only about drivers.
The point is, you complaining adds yet another thread, and since you're so concerned with forum real estate, that's only hurting that. The percentage of threads about the drivers just shows anybody who looks, just how serious we are about this issue. Please respect our right to complain about the drivers by merely skipping over the threads and don't read them.
So we want 2 new sub categories? "6.1" and a "Waa WAAA"?
I have to say i almost avoid the whole kaiser thread cause the quantity of threads slagging the phone.
Whilst I agree that the driver issue is not good, i dont want to read 40 threads about it.
I vote for a seperate section too.
MM
since we're creating new subcategories..........how about one for ppl with 1 post who go........"HELP I INSTALLED WM 6.1 AND MY PHONE DOESNT WORK!!!!" i dunno wat the subcategory should it be called.........maybe "i'm a tool and i didnt do enough research and i b0rked my phone"
and then another subcategory for ppl happy with their phones and call it Kaiser WEE WEEE. and one more for ppl who want to complain cause there's too many subcategories
Geez, come on people... "Waa waaaa I ignore this thread cuz there are people here complaining".
If you don't like to read these threads... I got a simple solution for you.
DON'T READ THEM.
There's plenty of threads that discuss many, MANY other topics that have nothing to do with drivers whatsoever.
And christ, stop complaining you poor things.
I have to agree with the OP, however, I wouldn't have stated it in quite those words. I agree that the driver issue is an important issue, and should be talked about and discussed, but I also agree that the number of posts about it is completely poluting this category.
I have recenting come to the realization that if I wanted to read topics from happy owners to browse the Upgrading section, and if I wanted to read about people irritated and p!ssy about their device then read this one.
Yes there are a lot of "idiot" threads and a lot of WM6.1 threads, but it doesn't even begin to compare. This category isn't even worth browsing anymore.
Just my 2 cents.
So, just re-reading this thread and I noticed something. Correct me if I'm wrong but now we have:
people complaining, about people complaining, about people complaining about the driver issue!
Sheer farcical brilliance! It's like watching a Marx brothers' sketch. Or a session of Parliament. Either way, this thread has become a bit of light-hearted relief in a sometimes v serious forum. Keep 'em coming!
Look, I am probably treading on water I should not be. With that being said here it goes. I know most would consider me to be a noob, well as far as WM based phones I am. I however do have the aspiration to learn, and when I say learn I mean learn, and not beg someone to help me without doing research first. I would consider myself VERY technologically advanced and a “noob” in some other areas. I believe that we are all here for the same reason, mine is to grasp a better understanding in a area I have the aspiration to learn more in. I know my spelling and grammar may not be up to par. But don’t criticize me for my basic downfalls. It utterly disgusts me when a member posts a new thread and 80% of the people bash him for doing so. Myself and everybody else are on here for the same thing, learning, development, hacking, and ways to improve a device that needs improvement. So I ask you (the ones who do the bashing). Who the hell do you think you are, you were once in the same position as the “noobs”, and how did you get as far as you got? I am pretty sure it was brainstorming and asking question’s, so in closing I will say to the “bashers” get off your self riotous proverbial podium and help spread your knowledge to better this community and help others as they have helped you in the past.
ffs!!
SEARCH BEFORE YOU POST!
with any forum it is normal to be expected that you go through at least the wiki or whatever stickys are on the thread they are looking at before posting. I am not sure what was said to you (or what you saw) to feel this way but i have seen people get angry over posts by people that clearly chose not to read simple things, and i have seen some people go a lil overboard (possibly because they get asked the same question 10 times in one thread) case in point the radio issue with Dutty's Rom, a thread that clearly states to read post 2, and yet the question gets asked, over and over again "why don't i have sound" I must comment people like Dave Shaw that took it upon themselves to answer without getting angry.
Yeah we are all here to learn and make things better, but some people come here acting like they are owed something, or hear by word of mouth or other forums go get this app, or rom from xda, and want to take shortcuts. And for the people that have essentially made this community what it is, its can be a lil disrespectful, like coming into someones house and not wiping your shoes (or taking them off).
So sorry if someone went at you a lil harsh, in general this place has great members, the odd a$$hole from time to time or some people that are just having a bad day. Regardless, welcome aboard and READ THE WIKI (just kiddin)
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with any forum it is normal to be expected that you go through at least the wiki or whatever stickys are on the thread they are looking at before posting. I am not sure what was said to you (or what you saw) to feel this way but i have seen people get angry over posts by people that clearly chose not to read simple things, and i have seen some people go a lil overboard (possibly because they get asked the same question 10 times in one thread) case in point the radio issue with Dutty's Rom, a thread that clearly states to read post 2, and yet the question gets asked, over and over again "why don't i have sound" I must comment people like Dave Shaw that took it upon themselves to answer without getting angry.
Yeah we are all here to learn and make things better, but some people come here acting like they are owed something, or hear by word of mouth or other forums go get this app, or rom from xda, and want to take shortcuts. And for the people that have essentially made this community what it is, its can be a lil disrespectful, like coming into someones house and not wiping your shoes (or taking them off).
So sorry if someone went at you a lil harsh, in general this place has great members, the odd a$$hole from time to time or some people that are just having a bad day. Regardless, welcome aboard and READ THE WIKI (just kiddin)
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I fully agree with you, and personally ive never had someone attack me. I do firmly believe that better research needs to be done before a post!!, but sometimes the member really isint sure what to search for. Ill make it clear its not everybody bashing just a few, all i hoped for in my thread/post is to make people realise that there is one common goal here.
thanks for hearing me.
Great post!!!
I could not agree with you more..there is a real patronising attitude thrown up by quite a few members to questions that sometimes aren,t as easy to search for as they should be!!
If there is some (hopefully constructive) criticism allowed at the forum, the wiki, the threads, I'd like to express few points:
- Wiki entries contain lots of links, and more than half of those where you hope or expect to find the answers you're looking for, point to some kilometric threads in this forum (some several hundred posts threads sometimes). It would be useful if the respective information would be edited as wiki text too, like in other wikis, not only links to such kilometric threads.
- The search functionalities (built in and Google) not always return what you're looking for, sometimes because you don't formulate the keywords well, sometimes you can't (when the keyword you're looking for IS just 3 letters for example, the forum search returns nothing;
- the results point you to interminable threads where you just can't sit and read all 989 posts to get the picture..
As you see, it's not always easy to find your way, some people hate too many related threads and prefer few kilometric ones, others demand to move all kaiser-graphics-driver related threads in a subsection, and so on. Others again, spend hours in the forum and may know them as their own pocket and demand this from everyone else...
Here Here!
I couldn't agree more. I am relatively new here as far as posting but I read and search a lot, and I have tried to be as helpful as possible when I do post. I don't know how many times I have done a search and found a thread or three with someone asking the exact question I have only to see them shot down by some "senior member" telling them to do a search.
If you know where the info is, just post a link to it...then the next time, the likely hood of getting a hit on a search will increase even if you didn't use exactly the right keyword or search term.
Think of the forum as a great big data base with a very imperfect means of accessing the info...searches and question postings. Half the battle is trying to figure out what something is called in order to search.
Rich
if you want to know why most members are getting tired of the same old questions, check the kaiser upgrading section and see how many times it has been asked "why don't I have sound after flashing a rom?" I understand your anger with the "senior" members, as you call them, but it is kind of like riding in the car with a 3 yr. old constantly asking "Are we there yet?" every 5 seconds. Trust me, my kid is 5 yrs. old and I know how it feels. Just remember, sometimes a kind word will change someone's attitude completely.
BTW, Please search before you post.
Here, here KD8DNS!
I do agree that there is an abundance of arrogance on these forums, and it has been noted on other reputable forums such as modaco. Too many Yanks, if you ask me. lol
Sometimes it's hard to search for what you are looking for, and reading 51 pages plus, can seem a bit much. Computers and laptops I'm quite fluent in, but Pocket PC's are another thing all together.
I'm certain I'm guilty of posting commonly asked questions as some member’s explanations are not so straight forward and precise. I know I am a qualitative person and do not interpret half sentences with very lax grammar by some members.
That being said, people who post on the Kaiser Accessories page requesting advice for the best bluetooth headsets really have no excuse. Headphones is not a difficult area to get your head around, so why there are about 10 threads spanning over two board pages revolving around the same theme- 'what is the best Bluetooth headset'- is beyond me.
I side with P1tater here a bit... I am a noob in every sense of the work, technamolology and me just dont go much... but I found that by reading... alot... and just mooching around looking at all the stickies, wikis etc I learned about nearly all the things I needed to know before toying with my phone... thats pretty important I would say... TBH I am quite surprised at the restraint shown sometimes... esp when someone asks a question that was answered in a post or two before they asked...
I am by no means a senior member in the sense that I am experienced in WM devices and would class myself as a relative inexperienced user of WM devices but even I am sick to the teeth of the same questions being asked.
Does this make me arrogant or elitist. I don't think so.
One could argue that there are some noobies who are too lazy to read a thread or do the research. After all it's not as if it's life or death you find the answer to your question so why not spend the time reading the all posts in a thread.
I for one do not want to brick my device through lack of knowledge of what I'm doing and therefore will read a thread thats 989 posts long.
I do agree that the search functions on this forum are pathetic but that shouldn't detract from the fact that the info is mostly available.
I have read some posts made by noobies in the middle of threads stating that they couldn't be bothered to read the full thread. Now that is just plain laziness and a reason why some threads are so long.
@ zoolooc
you made the following point:
- Wiki entries contain lots of links, and more than half of those where you hope or expect to find the answers you're looking for, point to some kilometric threads in this forum (some several hundred posts threads sometimes). It would be useful if the respective information would be edited as wiki text too, like in other wikis, not only links to such kilometric threads.
perhap you would like to take this on board to help out your fellow noobies.
k-c
New users posting new threads to get attention to their own problem adds nothing to the community as a whole, especially when it's a redundant question which can be found by searching and/or reading. This abuse of the community by new members for their own impatience and selfish needs is why senior members become angry at the situation and vent.
I also find it ironic that you've started this post, as I've started a thread to discuss solutions to the constant abuse, because the last thing I want to do is vent my frustrations at new users...
REDUNDANT THREADS - What can we do about it?
P.S. I've created a total of 11 threads on this forum, with 7 of them being contributions, 3 of them being legitimate discussions for the community and the last one being questions to further my contributions. That's out of 500+ posts that I currently have.
I've noticed that out of your 12 current posts, 7 of them are new threads (including this one). That's pretty bad forum etiquette as far as I'm concerned.
Abrasive American’s and attention seeking noobs seem to clash
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I resemble that remark
Actually I'm sure that my posts fall under the "arrogant" heading because I do come off that way when I'm frustrated and irritated. And with my giving up the nicotine...I irritate easily right now. However, ignorance is no excuse. I have not started a single thread and I don't think I've asked a single question thus far on flashing my Tilt. Why? I lurked and read. I took notes on the gotchas. I now flash pretty regularly and have UC up and running with a ridiculous amount of changes. This tells me it's possible to not muck up the forum with all this redundant "me me me" and "my problem must be unique" posts.
Look at any of Dutty's ROM release threads. Now go read one of them from beginning to end. Guess what...you could cut them easily in half if you took out the redundant questions and their redundant (and usually snide if they're mine) responses. Now, for those of us that actually spend large amounts of time here...that's frustrating. It's not that we don't understand that you have a problem and you just want an answer. We just expect that you make some sort of token effort first. You're changing your phone's software. This in itself expects a certain amount of knowledge and a certain comfort level with the actions and risks involved. But in reading these threads, it doesn't look like we've got that with a large number of members...which is scary.
So pardon me if I seem rude, crude, snide, snarky, or arrogant. But I stand by my belief that if you are incapable of even the most basic of research before embarking on flashing the ROM on your device, then you don't belong here because you obviously are not as prepared as you need to be before making such device changes. I'm trying to be a little less blunt about it right now, but don't expect me to have Dave Shaw's patience. (BTW Dave...how the heck do you manage that??)
well, this has turned in to a thread with a relevancy factor of 0.0
I'm closing this thread before it degrades further...
This is a discussion that has been hashed, rehashed, buried, resurrected and left to walk the planet in the shadows of the living.
Please report redundant threads to the mods, I love merging them and thus confusing the flow of them!
The search function is being actively worked on. Google seems to work better than the vBulliten search so the Admins are currently working on tight integration of the Google search for you.
Bottom line is that you get out of this site what you put into it!
Hello, I am new to this forum so I suppose I will give a brief bio. I earned an Associates Degree in Computer Science from the Community College of the Air Force while serving on Active Duty as a "Computer Programmer" from 2004 to 2010. Most of my duties on the job involved website development, server side scripting and databases. I started learning network engineering and security in the past 3 or 4 years. I'm familiar with being a go-to for fixing an unrelated FUBAR project from a random language where you have to just google the syntax and methods until you get the results your boss asked for. I've also dabbled in .NET and so on.
Anyway, it is safe to say I know enough to be dangerous or better with everything from legacy assembly code to the trends of today while I have no clear specialty of expertise at this point. I am going to use the Post 9/11 Montgomery GI Bill to go back to college. I should know what I want to do by now but it is a unique opportunity where I may as well do any one thing as another. I like to avoid personal conversations and keep it about the development on forums. I got a nook color 1.01 and came here for some tips on rooting it, now here we are. I am interested to know what particular needs there may be for an intermediate developer that has no strict preference with where I begin just as long as I don't need very expensive new hardware, unless I wanted it anyway.
So, hello and nice to meet you. I look forward to finding a way to contribute.
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Hello, I am new to this forum so I suppose I will give a brief bio. I earned an Associates Degree in Computer Science from the Community College of the Air Force while serving on Active Duty as a "Computer Programmer" from 2004 to 2010. Most of my duties on the job involved website development, server side scripting and databases. I started learning network engineering and security in the past 3 or 4 years. I'm familiar with being a go-to for fixing an unrelated FUBAR project from a random language where you have to just google the syntax and methods until you get the results your boss asked for. I've also dabbled in .NET and so on.
Anyway, it is safe to say I know enough to be dangerous or better with everything from legacy assembly code to the trends of today while I have no clear specialty of expertise at this point. I am going to use the Post 9/11 Montgomery GI Bill to go back to college. I should know what I want to do by now but it is a unique opportunity where I may as well do any one thing as another. I like to avoid personal conversations and keep it about the development on forums. I got a nook color 1.01 and came here for some tips on rooting it, now here we are. I am interested to know what particular needs there may be for an intermediate developer that has no strict preference with where I begin just as long as I don't need very expensive new hardware, unless I wanted it anyway.
So, hello and nice to meet you. I look forward to finding a way to contribute.
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You can start from building yourself a most powerful i7 (Ubuntu, or whatever your flavor) Linux box your $500 can buy. Generate the tool chain(s) for emulator/TI OMAP36xx SDK. Pull every piece of code published by TI for OMAP 36xx. Study all the free Android/Java/JS development books you can find, subscribe to all Android development forums and to GoogleGroups of the topics and irc channels.
Then, start building the 2.6.32, 2.6.35, 2.6.36 kernels for Android 3.x.
XDA Devs is not exactly the place where the Gurus of Android development explain and do tutelage for newbies, it's the place where they show their results. Read in my blog http://fineoils.blogspot.com about developments for NC and other tablets in condensed form, plus about stuff that is usually of no big interest here. Start from approx. Feb. 2010, this will take some time, lol.
Thank you for the outstanding advice. I have an Ubuntu machine on a first gen Phenom quad core which was starting to collect dust that would be perfect. When I get setup I need to find out what some good starter projects would be. I bet that someone here has a need that has been overlooked because the pros are busy on larger projects and I could take a stab at it. Any ideas?
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You can start from building yourself a most powerful i7 (Ubuntu, or whatever your flavor) Linux box your $500 can buy. Generate the tool chain(s) for emulator/TI OMAP36xx SDK. Pull every piece of code published by TI for OMAP 36xx. Study all the free Android/Java/JS development books you can find, subscribe to all Android development forums and to GoogleGroups of the topics and irc channels.
Then, start building the 2.6.32, 2.6.35, 2.6.36 kernels for Android 3.x.
XDA Devs is not exactly the place where the Gurus of Android development explain and do tutelage for newbies, it's the place where they show their results. Read in my blog Can't Quote Links Yet about developments for NC and other tablets in condensed form, plus about stuff that is usually of no big interest here. Start from approx. Feb. 2010, this will take some time, lol.
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Welcome! I'm new to Android, so I can't help with anything too deep just yet (used linux exclusively for 7-8 years, so I'm catching on lol), but I can give you a list of a few common issues that people are having that I haven't really seen solved yet.
1. Touchscreen bugs out sometimes, requiring a quick trip to standby and back to fix. Happens to me regardless if I'm OCed or not.
2. System seems to randomly shut off and/or reboot for many. Has happened to me a handful of times, almost always when doing something cpu intensive, like launching Winamp or opening too many DolphinHD tabs.
3. Wifi for many people seems really flaky. Mine works fine 99% of the time.
4. Youtube doesn't like when you log in, requires a cache wipe to relaunch.
5. Screen sensitivity gets weird near the edges. There is an adb method to force a blind recalibration, but seems to have widely varying results.
6. Pull up menus on many apps ends up with white on white text making it unreadable.
I have no idea if any of those are relevant to you or if anyone else is already working on them or not. Hell, some might already be fixed in Froyo or even Eclair. Those are just a few things I see many posts about. I should mention that I'm on 1.0.1 rooted with no other tweaks. I also have a horrid case of strep throat and have been quarantined in my room alone on heavy meds for a few days, so I could be way off or babbling. Anyways, welcome to the forums and sorry for typing so much. I know I'm not nearly the novelist that that blog pimpin dude is. ;P
This is all good information and I appreciate the reply. I hope you get well soon. Strep throat and strep meds are no joke and you are extremely lucid all things considered, so don't worry one bit about that. You are running the same system that I have so please feel free to keep in touch with me about any issues, and I will let you know if I find a fix.
If you have some spare time I'd like to ask you some questions about using Linux for an exclusive PC; I keep juggling it with Windows rather than taking the time to find a fix for common petty problems like running Netflix. Right now my lazy fix for that is virtualboxing Windows.
Thanks again and feel better!
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Welcome! I'm new to Android, so I can't help with anything too deep just yet (used linux exclusively for 7-8 years, so I'm catching on lol), but I can give you a list of a few common issues that people are having that I haven't really seen solved yet.
1. Touchscreen bugs out sometimes, requiring a quick trip to standby and back to fix. Happens to me regardless if I'm OCed or not.
2. System seems to randomly shut off and/or reboot for many. Has happened to me a handful of times, almost always when doing something cpu intensive, like launching Winamp or opening too many DolphinHD tabs.
3. Wifi for many people seems really flaky. Mine works fine 99% of the time.
4. Youtube doesn't like when you log in, requires a cache wipe to relaunch.
5. Screen sensitivity gets weird near the edges. There is an adb method to force a blind recalibration, but seems to have widely varying results.
6. Pull up menus on many apps ends up with white on white text making it unreadable.
I have no idea if any of those are relevant to you or if anyone else is already working on them or not. Hell, some might already be fixed in Froyo or even Eclair. Those are just a few things I see many posts about. I should mention that I'm on 1.0.1 rooted with no other tweaks. I also have a horrid case of strep throat and have been quarantined in my room alone on heavy meds for a few days, so I could be way off or babbling. Anyways, welcome to the forums and sorry for typing so much. I know I'm not nearly the novelist that that blog pimpin dude is. ;P
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I purchased 2 of these phones in April because there seemed to be a decent support base for it here on XDA. But I have found that the support is lacking and nonexistent in the 3 months since I bought them. Custom ROMS have been posted, only to be left in limbo. Questions from users go totally ignored and unanswered. I am not a developer, so like most users I rely on those of you who are skilled in that expertise for our custom firmware. But I have to say that in the 7 years I have been a member here I have never seen such poor interaction from the developers.
I guess this forum has just become a reflection of the current attitudes lack of respect and concern in the world that exists today.
Try telegram.... There is probably 5 or six threads for our devices....
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Try telegram.... There is probably 5 or six threads for our devices....
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This is the most bland blanket statement being swung around in every ****ing thread. If the developers can not be arsed to actually interact with the community in the forum they posted their ROM in, then they can just stay away entirely. I have no respect for people simply opening a thread and then link people to a telegram group because they are too lazy to actually use a forum.
I'm very tempted to report threads for closure since they appear to be abandoned.
I'd rather have no development than development hiding itself behind a ****ty chat-app.
KtownJeff said:
Try telegram.... There is probably 5 or six threads for our devices....
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Seriously? Talk about a lame solution.
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This is the most bland blanket statement being swung around in every ****ing thread. If the developers can not be arsed to actually interact with the community in the forum they posted their ROM in, then they can just stay away entirely. I have no respect for people simply opening a thread and then link people to a telegram group because they are too lazy to actually use a forum.
I'm very tempted to report threads for closure since they appear to be abandoned.
I'd rather have no development than development hiding itself behind a ****ty chat-app.
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I agree 100%. :good::good::good::good::good:
jadephyre said:
This is the most bland blanket statement being swung around in every ****ing thread. If the developers can not be arsed to actually interact with the community in the forum they posted their ROM in, then they can just stay away entirely. I have no respect for people simply opening a thread and then link people to a telegram group because they are too lazy to actually use a forum.
I'm very tempted to report threads for closure since they appear to be abandoned.
I'd rather have no development than development hiding itself behind a ****ty chat-app.
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I'm sorry you feel this way I was just offering a solution to help you with your issue but you know I do understand because I had the same thought at first but I think it is pretty cool to have real time discussion.....
Also our device is not limited to just this thread..... I spend my day switching ROMs with trebel based GSI....Oh and they get updated security every month and using our device all of the moto gestures show up in the rom because we still use the moto vender..... And if you really want to see some development start reading about compiling kernels..right now Im building a custom kernel for device.....
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I purchased 2 of these phones in April because there seemed to be a decent support base for it here on XDA. But I have found that the support is lacking and nonexistent in the 3 months since I bought them. Custom ROMS have been posted, only to be left in limbo. Questions from users go totally ignored and unanswered. I am not a developer, so like most users I rely on those of you who are skilled in that expertise for our custom firmware. But I have to say that in the 7 years I have been a member here I have never seen such poor interaction from the developers.
I guess this forum has just become a reflection of the current attitudes lack of respect and concern in the world that exists today.
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maybe you could become a developer yourself and show us how it should be done?
which in case of Motorola is to develop software for like 10 devices a year + interact on forums etc. + try to solve all kinds of people's problems
all in your free time, not being paid for anything
Now I'm curious
Lupask said:
maybe you could become a developer yourself and show us how it should be done?
which in case of Motorola is to develop software for like 10 devices a year + interact on forums etc. + try to solve all kinds of people's problems
all in your free time, not being paid for anything
Now I'm curious
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I knew the second I wrote my original post some clueless person would come back in defense of poor support and lack of interaction playing the "developers are overworked and do it for nothing" card. And then there is the ever present "if you don't like the way it's done do the developing yourself" joker. But it doesn't fly when somebody posts 3 or 4 ROMs and then totally ignores all questions and issues within this forum not just for days but for weeks and months. How about focusing on 1 ROM and dealing with it rather than over extending oneself and dealing with nothing? As I said, this is the first device I have seen this type of poor support and neglect. That is because on all of my previous 5 MOTOROLA, 2 Asus, 1 Huaweii, and 3 Samsung devices the developers stayed focused on 1 or 2 ROMS and didn't try to recreate the world. And in all of those cases I and many other users donated generously to the developers. Doing a lousy job at something you commit to and then saying "I don't get paid anyway" is not excusable. And defending the poor support and lousy interactions with those lame excuses just makes you a part of the problem. As I said in my post, it is simply a reflection of the attitudes in the world around us.
The problem is that too many users don't even know what they're doing. They do not want to acquire knowledge themselves and expect a solution and an explanation for everything.
By now I say to many users here they should inform themselves. This forum can provide help with problems, but cannot explain everything to everyone. The most common questions here are "I have a bootloop", "what does
encryption mean and why I'm not able to access my data", "why TWRP should only be booted and why does flashing to recovery fail", "should I install TWRP again after I updated my device" and so on... There is currently a user who is trying to mount TWRP in Windows and tells me at the same time that he has already rooted various devices.
Somewhere in between is a single user of 20 with a real problem but he doesn't get noticed.
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I knew the second I wrote my original post some clueless person would come back in defense of poor support and lack of interaction playing the "developers are overworked and do it for nothing" card. And then there is the ever present "if you don't like the way it's done do the developing yourself" joker. But it doesn't fly when somebody posts 3 or 4 ROMs and then totally ignores all questions and issues within this forum not just for days but for weeks and months. How about focusing on 1 ROM and dealing with it rather than over extending oneself and dealing with nothing? As I said, this is the first device I have seen this type of poor support and neglect. That is because on all of my previous 5 MOTOROLA, 2 Asus, 1 Huaweii, and 3 Samsung devices the developers stayed focused on 1 or 2 ROMS and didn't try to recreate the world. And in all of those cases I and many other users donated generously to the developers. Doing a lousy job at something you commit to and then saying "I don't get paid anyway" is not excusable. And defending the poor support and lousy interactions with those lame excuses just makes you a part of the problem. As I said in my post, it is simply a reflection of the attitudes in the world around us.
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But this is a different issue. I can't and will not defend that someone creates a ROM, publishes it and forgets about it. And then another, and another. I am also sad that dev's time is spent/wasted on something useless at the end of the day, while they could help to develop something actually alive. I am also sad that there are numberless modifications and tinkering, all of them dealing with similar bugs and problems, while having minimal differences, and not uniting together to create something larger than the sum of all these parts.
And yes, , your original post did sound like whining at other people that they don't create enough software for *your* specific phone and help you solve your specific problems while giving zero effort to solve them yourself. Which is, sadly, a common attitude indeed.
As for me, I don't want to depend on people from XDA to do something that your phone manufacturer was paid to do - if you want support, ask it from there. The phones are not as popular to attract lots of independent development (I believe Motorola is partly to blame here, as they spam the market with too many devices). I'm afraid this is all we got.
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But this is a different issue. I can't and will not defend that someone creates a ROM, publishes it and forgets about it. And then another, and another. I am also sad that dev's time is spent/wasted on something useless at the end of the day, while they could help to develop something actually alive. I am also sad that there are numberless modifications and tinkering, all of them dealing with similar bugs and problems, while having minimal differences, and not uniting together to create something larger than the sum of all these parts.
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Agree 100%. That is basically what my post is trying to address.
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And yes, , your original post did sound like whining at other people that they don't create enough software for *your* specific phone and help you solve your specific problems while giving zero effort to solve them yourself. Which is, sadly, a common attitude indeed.
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Good heavens no! If you look at my history and go back the 7 years I have been here, you would find that I have been and will remain very active in helping others and solving my own problems. I have taken part in Alpha and Beta testing for developers. Have I gotten lazy on occasion and asked before searching? Sure. Who hasn't? But that is most definitely not my standard mode of operation. I make it a habit to search and research as much as possible before I ask.
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As for me, I don't want to depend on people from XDA to do something that your phone manufacturer was paid to do - if you want support, ask it from there. The phones are not as popular to attract lots of independent development (I believe Motorola is partly to blame here, as they spam the market with too many devices). I'm afraid this is all we got.
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I agree, unless you are dealing with issues brought on by unlocking, rooting and installing custom software/roms. Go to Motorola and ask a question about those issues and you will get shut down immediately. "Sorry! Your warranty is void and we can't help you. And many users (like myself) buy models not available in the USA so there is no support from Motorola at the get go.
That is the whole purpose of XDA. Community support and development. Granted, there are those who will abuse it and not make any effort whatsoever to find the answer and fix it themselves. They deserve to be ignored. But if you put a mod or rom or app on here then by golly, at least support it.
I believe we are pretty much on the same page just took a couple of exchanges to get here. :good:
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I reached a point where I basically gave up. I'm not a developer but I like to fiddle with my devices and add a better experience with customizations. I had a Moto G5S and tried to add a custom ROM based on Android 10 but none of them worked well. I spent an absurd amount of time trying to make them work at least in an acceptable way, with no success. I gave up, reinstalled the original 8.1 Android version and moved to a Moto G7 Plus with no root and only GCAM. When I get tired of Android 10, I'll buy a new cellphone with Android 11 or 12.
The lessons I learned are:
- I cannot complain for what I received for free
- I cannot oblige someone to fix for free what is not working for me
- it seems to be increasingly difficult to make things work if you have no access to the internal development of a cellphone's manufacturer
- I will change my purchasing habits: I prefer to buy another device after 1,5 years with the latest Android and hardware specs than fighting to make my 3-yr old device run with a modified system that has no guarantee from the manufacturer.
- I do not have the money to buy expensive devices, I prefer to buy something above the basic and replace it more frequently.
- I respect the developers and I'm not mad at them, I am sure they are learning a lot when creating these custom ROMs and this will take them to a better job (I hope)
- I agree that XDA has changed for worse in the aspect of "community-based development". The interaction in the forum is really going downward, this is the same with other forums I participate. People are moving to "immediate answer" options like whatsapp and Telegram, which I hate because they do not have the organized structure and historic documentation a forum provides.
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I reached a point where I basically gave up. I'm not a developer but I like to fiddle with my devices and add a better experience with customizations. I had a Moto G5S and tried to add a custom ROM based on Android 10 but none of them worked well. I spent an absurd amount of time trying to make them work at least in an acceptable way, with no success. I gave up, reinstalled the original 8.1 Android version and moved to a Moto G7 Plus with no root and only GCAM. When I get tired of Android 10, I'll buy a new cellphone with Android 11 or 12.
The lessons I learned are:
- I cannot complain for what I received for free
- I cannot oblige someone to fix for free what is not working for me
- it seems to be increasingly difficult to make things work if you have no access to the internal development of a cellphone's manufacturer
- I will change my purchasing habits: I prefer to buy another device after 1,5 years with the latest Android and hardware specs than fighting to make my 3-yr old device run with a modified system that has no guarantee from the manufacturer.
- I do not have the money to buy expensive devices, I prefer to buy something above the basic and replace it more frequently.
- I respect the developers and I'm not mad at them, I am sure they are learning a lot when creating these custom ROMs and this will take them to a better job (I hope)
- I agree that XDA has changed for worse in the aspect of "community-based development". The interaction in the forum is really going downward, this is the same with other forums I participate. People are moving to "immediate answer" options like whatsapp and Telegram, which I hate because they do not have the organized structure and historic documentation a forum provides.
because there seemed to be a decent support base for it here on XDA.
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You judged and found out you were wrong.
But I have found that the support is lacking and nonexistent in the 3 months since I bought them. Custom ROMS have been posted, only to be left in limbo. Questions from users go totally ignored and unanswered.
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How much exactly did you pay that made you entitled to this kind of support?
But I have to say that in the 7 years I have been a member here I have never seen such poor interaction from the developers.
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You do not really have to say anything but forums are there for anyone to speak his mind. Even people who think they are entitled to stuff they actually aren't
I guess this forum has just become a reflection of the current attitudes lack of respect and concern in the world that exists today.
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Lack of respect. REALLY?
Get off your high horse!
Your post itself is a reflection of another trend:
Unfounded entitlement.
So I have just joined the world of Android with a Chinese head unit for my prehistoric old banger.
I have so many questions and I probably won't understand the answers. I have already discovered that what a Chinese salesperson terms as plug and play, is just like a racecar guy saying "yeah it just bolts on" nothing could be further from the truth ! So after remaking the "plug n play" harness with the correct plugs to play with the canbus and the fibre optics I'm here to discover what I have actually purchased and how to Houdini it to my will. The first surprise was I purchased an Android 11 yet in the settings it says its Android 12 after reading so of the posts on here I reckon that's probably BS, yes I do know how search works and yes that's always what I do first only problem is from scrolling through these threads I still have no idea what I actually have as far as screen manufacturer, or software. So go easy on the Old guy, until I know which Mxxxxxxx I have
Welcome to XDA and enjoy the forums information!
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