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My original GS5 had a broken gyroscope and I had it replaced a few weeks ago. I didn't expect or realize that Asurian, the company that does At&t's insurance, would send me one running Lollipop, still in original packaging no less. After trying and failing to downgrade to 4.4.2 for hours, I found out that it's not possible.
So, with no exploits to work with, a locked and encrypted bootloader, and some Xposed Modules no longer working from the looks of some forum posts, is GS5 rooting officially dead? Is there some other option that hasn't been considered to acquire root? Since I'm out of warranty, I don't care about tripping KNOX.
Is it possible to completely remove all the software on the phone and replace it with rooted software? I know it may sound idiotic, but I'm no developer, just a guy who likes tinkering with tech, so go easy on me please. I only ask this because I was thinking of getting some outside help to possibly decrypt the bootloader. I've read on other forums that trying to decrypt a phone bootloader is a worthless endeavour but it didn't stop me from looking. As it turns out, even with an extensive Google search, there is no explaination of the subject of bootloader decryption, no software to use, no experts in the field explaining their experience or anything at all helpful.
I'm very much pissed that my first dive into the Android (customizable) experience with the GS5 was first stilted by At&t and now killed. I have not seen any updates indicating any progress on rooting and I'm hoping it's only because I missed it. Considering the time elapsed and the bounty for decrypting the software never being claimed, shall I lose hope and wait out this crappy device until I can buy a new one? Or, is root still of some concern?
Hey, I'm sorry to hear about your loss of root. As far as I know it's dead for now unless someone comes up with something. Not sure if anyone has tried flashing a boot loader from another carrier or not but, that might work. Only thing is, if it doesn't you lost your phone.
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Yeah, that will brick the phone. Can't flash bootloaders from other carriers to a locked bootloader.
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Yeah, that will brick the phone. Can't flash bootloaders from other carriers to a locked bootloader.
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Good to know.
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Guess we may need to raise another $18,000 for developing a root. Is there no other geobot out there talented enough?
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Guess we may need to raise another $18,000 for developing a root. Is there no other geobot out there talented enough?
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Or just not buy phones from carriers.
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If I could find a SM-G800M at a decent price, I would! It's the only mini model with all four of the same LTE and LTE-A bands that AT&T operates.
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Or just not buy phones from carriers.
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I will be following that advice in the future!
Furious over the forced 5.0 FOTA upgrade with ATT's bootloader and no way to flash 4.4.2. or a custom rom...
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Guess we may need to raise another $18,000 for developing a root. Is there no other geobot out there talented enough?
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I'll donate large sums to this cause just on principle.
ATT hasn't completely locked down their Galaxy Notes (it can be flashed back to their 4.4.2 stock rom from 5.0.1)... Just primarily their S5...
Maybe a dev can look into this for a possible root...
http://www.networkworld.com/article...-a-simple-mms-message-or-multimedia-file.html
There is a part of the article that mentions root access is possible, now if it could be a permanent root is the real question.
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Maybe a dev can look into this for a possible root...
http://www.networkworld.com/article...-a-simple-mms-message-or-multimedia-file.html
There is a part of the article that mentions root access is possible, now if it could be a permanent root is the real question.
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I posed the same question, whether the devs thought stagefright could be used to facilitate rooting the ATT Note 4 and @graydiggy was awesome at explaining the exploit may only work on phones without write protection (the Nexus line).
Wonder if Joshua Drake (who discovered the flaw) would be willing to assist xdaers with this ATT S5 root issue should a proper bounty be offered. Seems Google paid him only about $1500 for reporting the problem and for the patches he created and sent (to Google)...
Currently, @Kingxteam gets mad respect for developing a tool to root otherwise unrootable phones. They have yet to add ATT's galaxy S5 (SM-900A) to their list of supported phones but I suspect they're working on it. Maybe PM them?
Hope is good thing... maybe the best of things.
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...Currently, @Kingxteam gets mad respect for developing a tool to root otherwise unrootable phones. They have yet to add ATT's galaxy S5 (SM-900A) to their list of supported phones but I suspect they're working on it. ...
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Go Kingxteam !!! All glory and honor and praise to you all -- especially if you can "tame this wild horse" with a root. :victory:
I'm new to all this rooting and don't understand any of the language yet but would like to start rooting. Unfortunately the phone I have seems to be unrootable. Anyone know if I can root my memo pad 7 on AT&T don't know model number but I do know it's running kk4.4
Just got this phone a week ago and returning/exchanging isn't an option for me. I really hope there are still some ambitious devs out there looking for a solution to rooting the lollipop OC4 version, although I fear the majority have moved on. :crying:
My first smart phone was the Motorola droid x then I did have the Samsung mega that was easy to root and the as possible back then was not like today.i just gave my girlfriend the PIXEL. And I got me this note 8 unlocked My questions are.
1. Does root disable Knox (I believe if Knox is tripped Samsung pay won't work)
2I have n950u1ubu2bqk1 model I have not upgraded yet is this still rootable. If so will it tripped Knox. Can you give me the link to the right guide
3. What about TWRP will that trip Knox.
4.if Knox is tripped can I get back to stock and have Knox back
Thank you in advance
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My first smart phone was the Motorola droid x then I did have the Samsung mega that was easy to root and the as possible back then was not like today.i just gave my girlfriend the PIXEL. And I got me this note 8 unlocked My questions are.
1. Does root disable Knox (I believe if Knox is tripped Samsung pay won't work)
2I have n950u1ubu2bqk1 model I have not upgraded yet is this still rootable. If so will it tripped Knox. Can you give me the link to the right guide
3. What about TWRP will that trip Knox.
4.if Knox is tripped can I get back to stock and have Knox back
Thank you in advance
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1 Don't worry about Knox (Extremely hard to do on Snapdragon)
2 Root
3 No, so don't worry
4 You worry too much about Knox and yes you can go to stock.
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My first smart phone was the Motorola droid x then I did have the Samsung mega that was easy to root and the as possible back then was not like today.i just gave my girlfriend the PIXEL. And I got me this note 8 unlocked My questions are.
1. Does root disable Knox (I believe if Knox is tripped Samsung pay won't work)
2I have n950u1ubu2bqk1 model I have not upgraded yet is this still rootable. If so will it tripped Knox. Can you give me the link to the right guide
3. What about TWRP will that trip Knox.
4.if Knox is tripped can I get back to stock and have Knox back
Thank you in advance
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Im not sure, but I believe the current root method for the 950U1 does not trip Knox; however Samsung Pay will not work on a rooted device.
If you do trip Knox, no you can NOT get Knox back. You can flash back to stock and uproot, but if Knox gets tripped it's done. It's an actual physical change on the motherboard that can't be reversed with software.
I personally no longer see a reason to riot, but others here disagree. You can disable almost any app you want without root with Package Disabler (although it seems the people with the best battery life and performance didnt disable anything). Ad Hell 2 will disable ads across the device without root. The Samsung Browser already has built in ad blockers. If you want to customize, there's plenty of themes in the Samsung theres store, or go with Substratum for full customization.
If I were you, I would enjoy the stock rooted experience for a while. You just might be surprised.
By the way, I've always been a Nexus/Pixel fan, rooting, custom ROM flashaholic. I unlocked bootloaders on all my devices, even if I didn't root them. So I speak from experience.
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Im not sure, but I believe the current root method for the 950U1 does not trip Knox; however Samsung Pay will not work on a rooted device.
If you do trip Knox, no you can NOT get Knox back. You can flash back to stock and uproot, but if Knox gets tripped it's done. It's an actual physical change on the motherboard that can't be reversed with software.
I personally no longer see a reason to riot, but others here disagree. You can disable almost any app you want without root with Package Disabler (although it seems the people with the best battery life and performance didnt disable anything). Ad Hell 2 will disable ads across the device without root. The Samsung Browser already has built in ad blockers. If you want to customize, there's plenty of themes in the Samsung theres store, or go with Substratum for full customization.
If I were you, I would enjoy the stock rooted experience for a while. You just might be surprised.
By the way, I've always been a Nexus/Pixel fan, rooting, custom ROM flashaholic. I unlocked bootloaders on all my devices, even if I didn't root them. So I speak from experience.
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I'm debating cause I had/have the pixel. I bought from Google store. I unlocked and rooted installed TWRP but development not what I thought it would be due to the 2 partitions.
I was debating rooting this phone cause that's what I do can't leave things alone I'm experimenting with substratum trying to find what works and not hard to factory reset yhe phone 3 times now due to crashing.
I heard although rooting is available samfail has its issues I don't know if it's true just what I read not personal experience that can't charge the battery past 80% screen glitches sometimes and apps randomly crash. I think I'm gonna leave the phone alone get substratum theme where I like it. And go from there.
I keep a eye out and see if someone figures a way to install TWRP on this model. If magisk works like it does on the pixel on the note and allows apps like Samsung pay work I may do it. Main reason I root is for fully customized ROMS all I really care about is customization
Thank you your info helped allot. My stock benchmark anitutu ranked 5th on the 1 test I did so I'm happy just got to keep the little kid in me away from the phone
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I'm debating cause I had/have the pixel. I bought from Google store. I unlocked and rooted installed TWRP but development not what I thought it would be due to the 2 partitions.
I was debating rooting this phone cause that's what I do can't leave things alone I'm experimenting with substratum trying to find what works and not hard to factory reset yhe phone 3 times now due to crashing.
I heard although rooting is available samfail has its issues I don't know if it's true just what I read not personal experience that can't charge the battery past 80% screen glitches sometimes and apps randomly crash. I think I'm gonna leave the phone alone get substratum theme where I like it. And go from there.
I keep a eye out and see if someone figures a way to install TWRP on this model. If magisk works like it does on the pixel on the note and allows apps like Samsung pay work I may do it. Main reason I root is for fully customized ROMS all I really care about is customization
Thank you your info helped allot. My stock benchmark anitutu ranked 5th on the 1 test I did so I'm happy just got to keep the little kid in me away from the phone
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Magisk will not allow Samsung Pay to work. It will not work with a rooted device. It is military grade security, which is good thing.
cgrimm9 said:
I'm debating cause I had/have the pixel. I bought from Google store. I unlocked and rooted installed TWRP but development not what I thought it would be due to the 2 partitions.
I was debating rooting this phone cause that's what I do can't leave things alone I'm experimenting with substratum trying to find what works and not hard to factory reset yhe phone 3 times now due to crashing.
I heard although rooting is available samfail has its issues I don't know if it's true just what I read not personal experience that can't charge the battery past 80% screen glitches sometimes and apps randomly crash. I think I'm gonna leave the phone alone get substratum theme where I like it. And go from there.
I keep a eye out and see if someone figures a way to install TWRP on this model. If magisk works like it does on the pixel on the note and allows apps like Samsung pay work I may do it. Main reason I root is for fully customized ROMS all I really care about is customization
Thank you your info helped allot. My stock benchmark anitutu ranked 5th on the 1 test I did so I'm happy just got to keep the little kid in me away from the phone
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Bought the wrong phone for customization.
Curious also, any suggestions.
Like the creator of this thread I can completely admit to being 100% novice. I started out back with the s3, and bricked my first phone, rooted successfully the 2nd time.... But not by any luck of my own, more like i could not figure out how to install superuser, so all i got was a rom that was already rooted and some how managed to flash it over using CWM. Now, many years later.... and yes, i was out (thank you prison) till this year. I now have a Samsung Galaxy Note 8, model number sm-n950u. I have done nothing at all to it, how ever i did download Odin3 3.12.3. I also went to a web page and found platform tools, the adb.exe, which to my knowledge means the Android debugging bridge? either way, I also then downloaded CSC_OYN_N950UOYN1AQIA_CL12185999_QB14995093_REV00_user_low_ship_MULTI_CERT.tar. Now, like many retards before me (myself included) I can't help but to be curious as to the benefits of rooting my device. Or at some point my gf's s8, though she would probably never trust me. Heck, i do not trust myself either because i am still making payments to att for the phone. But I am curious, where would a beginner begin??? where are some easy tutorials for learning how to use odin, or twrp, or cwm, or anything that would help me start.
Cough OnePlus 5T sir would give you the customization your looking for.
Noticed but not a big deal just got to deal with what I got
Hey guys, so the question is simple. Should I or should I not?
I've had this habit of tripping knox after 1-2 months of use ever since the Galaxy S4.(not bothered about Samsung pay and secure folder) But now I've been missing all my purchased root apps and especially the dual speaker. However, what I'm worried about are those few issues poppin out after some time like what happened with my S7 edge. So I'm torn between rooting or not.
That said, one of the main reasons I still root is for ad blocking. I've had ad blocking on my phones for a very long time, and I remember HATING the way mobile ads affected my browsing. So if anything, this will be the big reason I end up rooting again.
Also I like being able to back up my app data with titanium Etc.
If I was to root what custom ROMs would you recommend?
**Edit I have a exynos device **
Any suggestions? Thanks guys.
Well you didnt quite say whichdevice you have. Exynos or snapdragon. theres different root methods for each. snapdragons doesnt trip knox however you are limited in custom roms and 80% battery
Exynos has twrp so custom roms are a go but you trip knox.
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Well you didnt quite say whichdevice you have. Exynos or snapdragon. theres different root methods for each. snapdragons doesnt trip knox however you are limited in custom roms and 80% battery
Exynos has twrp so custom roms are a go but you trip knox.
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In that case. If you dont care about knox features go for it. as for custom roms i cant really say. Im on snapdragon so i dont have much in regards to custom roms.
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Hey guys, so the question is simple. Should I or should I not?
I've had this habit of tripping knox after 1-2 months of use ever since the Galaxy S4.(not bothered about Samsung pay and secure folder) But now I've been missing all my purchased root apps and especially the dual speaker. However, what I'm worried about are those few issues poppin out after some time like what happened with my S7 edge. So I'm torn between rooting or not.
That said, one of the main reasons I still root is for ad blocking. I've had ad blocking on my phones for a very long time, and I remember HATING the way mobile ads affected my browsing. So if anything, this will be the big reason I end up rooting again.
Also I like being able to back up my app data with titanium Etc.
If I was to root what custom ROMs would you recommend?
**Edit I have a exynos device **
Any suggestions? Thanks guys.
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If it's mostly for ad blocking while browsing, have you tried the Disconnect and Adguard extensions for the Samsung browser? Been working great for me and no root required.
Hi everybody,
I’ve prereserved my Note 9, and while waiting for the release date I’m scrolling through the news and forums just to get teased a bit more
A question I’m asking myself though, is: do I really need to root this phone? I’ll lose some functionalities by rooting it (samsung pay/android pay, safetynet apps, knox...) but I’ll surely miss others too (adaway, xposed, tweaks...)
I always rooted all my devices unconditionnaly, like it’s part of my default setup, but do you guys think it’s still needed those days? Is there really a benefit, or can you live without root?
I use to be an avid 'root my phone asap' kinda guy, but the main reason was for wireless hotspot. It's included in most plans now, so I don't feel the need to. I liked getting a cleaner build, less bloatware. To each there own, but with a locked bootloader here in the US it may be a while as you'll need a unlocked version. Carriers here will have it locked down.
the first thing i'm going to do with the phone when i get it is rooting it, hopefully there is a working twrp and there is no oem timeout for unlocking the bootloader.
i can't live without adaway and titanium backup.
releasedate is thursday next week in sweden, can't wait, i have preordered the 512gb model in blue.
Not worth it anymore. Used to be mandatory when Android wasn't as feature rich and mature, but no reason for me to anymore.
In my case root would be needed only for app data transfer from the old phone. After that I don't see the need of root.
Anyway.. how about knox fuse trip and warranty?
Is this still a thing today? Was it in Note 5 7 8?
I know it was in Note 4. But what about later models?
I used to root, but not any more. I get the US unlocked version to cut down on the bloatware. Samsung has made it sooo easy to theme and skin the phone that it's pointless to root for that. Samsung pay is awesome and I use it more and more every day. Smart Switch has taken the place of Titanium back up, and it's free and very simple to use. Also with the 512gb version I ordered , not too worried about the few programs that I dont like but are included.
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I used to root the second i got a device, however since the 8 and also with the 9 i dont bother any more, all the reasons before were to get better battery life slim down etc, i just use package disable pro now and im done. Besides no point in tripping knox loosing secure folder and faffimng around to get google pay working etc. I love to tinker but the benefits are just not there any more imho
Most probably first phone i will not root. especially for warranty purpose with the know feature
Thanks for the input Now that I have some answers I can give my insights too. I think I'll (be able to) wait a few days before being tempted to root it, but I'm pretty sure there will be a day, especially when Samsung will drop updates and I'll have to use custom ROMs if I want to stay up to date or maybe get the Note 10 port
The things I would miss if I don't root are: Adaway, TWRP (flashing and full backup/restore), MyBackup Pro, debloating, Xposed probably, Viper4Android maybe.
I have been a root on day one guy myself forever. Interesting that people here have not mentioned the privacy issues with all my carrier's supplied bloatware. That crap goes immmmmediately. That was the main reason for rooting for me.
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I have been a root on day one guy myself forever. Interesting that people here have not mentioned the privacy issues with all my carrier's supplied bloatware. That crap goes immmmmediately. That was the main reason for rooting for me.
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Ultimately, you don't necessarily have to root to debloat. You can just flash and use TWRP for this. Although when you boot into TWRP it triggers Knox and you lose those related functionalities.
This will be the second phone im not gonna root. First was the pixel 3 i need samsung pay in my life and plus im getting the locked sprint version. Im scared tho i really do want a clean build. Going with sammy since the s6. I dont want a phone with a notch so i figure i use my upgrade this year
I will always root the 1st day. Titanium backup, ad-away, TWRP, custom roms with 3minit battery, ability to customize volume buttons, VIPER4ANDROID, sooo many more reasons why. Stock is boring and dull. No reason to be on XDA if you are not rooting and using developers creations.
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I will always root the 1st day. Titanium backup, ad-away, TWRP, custom roms with 3minit battery, ability to customize volume buttons, VIPER4ANDROID, sooo many more reasons why. Stock is boring and dull. No reason to be on XDA if you are not rooting and using developers creations.
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Viper4android is the only reason I still root.
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Viper4android is the only reason I still root.
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Yup. Sounds so much better!
I personally stopped rooting since the Note 7 / S7E. I now find Samsung experience to offer me more than enough to keep from rooting. I've rooted all my phones since from the Dream G1 to Galaxy S1, Note 2, to the Note 4.
I root day 0 or I don't buy. Phone is worthless without Titanium backup, ad-away, TWRP.
i'm leaning towards no root. but it may be difficult to swallow at first, i think i've rooted the last 4 galaxies i've had... before that was a Nokia. I will undoubtedly miss ad-away, and i've made good use of Xposed on my recent Note5, but many people mention TitaniumBackup and i just don't use it much anymore. I have done a couple full backups with TWRP and used restore from it a couple times, but lets face it... those are things i wouldn't need if a hadn't broke something in a Root function in the first place! All in all, hoping for the best without Root - I want Knox intact. If you guys don't hear from me in the next week or two, i drowned in advertisements.
I've not rooted since my note 5, after being an instant root and Rom girly. It was previously much more needed, but these days not at all for me.
Best things I've found about not rooting -
- No worries at all about trading in, selling on, warranties, insurance etc.
- No worries about keeping the system ROM up to date, and over the air updates are sooooo easy
- No glitches or issues with radios and hardware etc from non standard roms
For me, the level that the current software and hardware is at has wiped out the need for rooting and flashing custom roms
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I've not rooted since my note 5, after being an instant root and Rom girly. It was previously much more needed, but these days not at all for me.
Best things I've found about not rooting -
- No worries at all about trading in, selling on, warranties, insurance etc.
- No worries about keeping the system ROM up to date, and over the air updates are sooooo easy
- No glitches or issues with radios and hardware etc from non standard roms
For me, the level that the current software and hardware is at has wiped out the need for rooting and flashing custom roms
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THIS!
I'd rather have the option, but, no such animal for US Samsung devices.
I can deal w/o it on Samsung devices, thanks to Package Disabler Pro & the ad blocking app Block-This.
Is it a perfect substitute for root?
No, but, this gives me the best of what's important to me with the minimum of compromises.
No interest in non-Samsung based ROMs for this phone, why bother picking up a Note to strip it of its unique features........
Currently using a VZW Note 5 using Package Disabler Pro & Block-This..... Doing just fine, the pragmatic part of my twisted mind (on life support, LOL) tells me to save my money & wait until next year, but, I bought this particular phone in great condition @ a great price, to use solely as a trade-in for T-Mobile"s $500 bill credit.....
Sent from my Galaxy Note 5 using XDA Labs
All I read is negative on the topic of the US Snapdragon Galaxy S10 receiving root/an unlocked bootloader as I understand Samsung has kept these variants locked since the S7 series.
But is it not true that anything that can be locked can be unlocked? It's impossible to have a truly unbreakable lock, hardware or software, no?
And if it is completely impossible, why is this? Are people actively working on it/is there any potential we will receive root in a way similar to the SamFails exploit for the S8 series?
Of course, I'm just a consumer. I'm not exactly sure what goes into this. It would be helpful to gain some insight on what is and is not possible for my S10.
Kind of disappointed I'm unable to afford a Canadian or other foreign variant because I do payment plans. But I really would love the feeling of having root again. I really do miss it.
CrackyRaps said:
. I really do miss it.
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But why?
CrackyRaps said:
All I read is negative on the topic of the US Snapdragon Galaxy S10 receiving root/an unlocked bootloader as I understand Samsung has kept these variants locked since the S7 series.
But is it not true that anything that can be locked can be unlocked? It's impossible to have a truly unbreakable lock, hardware or software, no?
And if it is completely impossible, why is this? Are people actively working on it/is there any potential we will receive root in a way similar to the SamFails exploit for the S8 series?
Of course, I'm just a consumer. I'm not exactly sure what goes into this. It would be helpful to gain some insight on what is and is not possible for my S10.
Kind of disappointed I'm unable to afford a Canadian or other foreign variant because I do payment plans. But I really would love the feeling of having root again. I really do miss it.
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You should have purchased another phone, because it's not going to happen on this one.
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But why?
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Because I enjoyed the extra features associated with it?
Superuser, flashing a ROM, even just getting rid of certain bloatware or using a PS3 controller with bluetooth.
There's just a bunch of small things that I miss being able to do, but Samsung has been progressively locking their **** up more and more.
Why does it matter why I want it?
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But why?
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You should have purchased another phone, because it's not going to happen on this one.
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This is the sort of thing I'm talking about. I don't know how you can definitively say this other than for the fact that nobody seems to even be giving a ****.
And that's how it goes, nobody gives a **** until it's figured out.
I'm sure a lot of people had the same exact mindset when the S8 got root without tripping Knox, but it got it eventually.
Maybe if more people had been working on it, it would've come about much earlier than it did.
So what is your reasoning other than "well Samsung made it hard to do so nobody attempts it?"
Nothing is impossible to break into.
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This is the sort of thing I'm talking about. I don't know how you can definitively say this other than for the fact that nobody seems to even be giving a ****.
And that's how it goes, nobody gives a **** until it's figured out.
I'm sure a lot of people had the same exact mindset when the S8 got root without tripping Knox, but it got it eventually.
Maybe if more people had been working on it, it would've come about much earlier than it did.
So what is your reasoning other than "well Samsung made it hard to do so nobody attempts it?"
Nothing is impossible to break into.
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Wait wait wait lets clear this up. the s8 got root within a month or two of it being out. However, this was NOT because "people worked on it hard enough" It was because an engineering boot/build got leaked. This was not matter of working to root the thing then they had a magic breakthrough due to hard work. It was rooted because of the leaked engineering build.
I hope that they end up having the same thing happen there too, I really do. However, I would not keep your hopes up. Samsung is very good about locking their devices down when they want to. The level of dedication and work that a team would have to put in would have to be the equivalent or bigger than the team samsung has working to lock these things down. The problem with that? any team that has that time and money is not going to be working to root a samsung device. they are going to be taking paid jobs and if they did find a security flaw to exploit, they would probably turn it into samsung for a payout.
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So what is your reasoning other than "well Samsung made it hard to do so nobody attempts it?"
Nothing is impossible to break into.
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LOL, welcome to the real world, because things can be made impossible to break into. I'm still amazed at people buying a phone they know can't be rooted, get buy it anyway.
Hey guys I agree with the OP of this thread. I am by no means a dev but want to try and help where I can. I posted a thread on galaxy s10+ forum regarding the eng bootloader from Pakfirmware. If you are interested check it out https://forum.xda-developers.com/s10-plus/how-to/eng-bootloader-t3914050
ait1071 said:
Hey guys I agree with the OP of this thread. I am by no means a dev but want to try and help where I can. I posted a thread on galaxy s10+ forum regarding the eng bootloader from Pakfirmware. If you are interested check it out https://forum.xda-developers.com/s10-plus/how-to/eng-bootloader-t3914050
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Good dialog here. One question, is the Exynos version the same in every way as the Snapdragon, especially the having the same 3G/4G LTE Bands?
If so, why not just buy the Exynos version Unlocked from an overseas website?
The only disadvantage would be if they fail to include the newer bands like 23, 66,71,14....etc...
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But is it not true that anything that can be locked can be unlocked? It's impossible to have a truly unbreakable lock, hardware or software, no?
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That locked down phone is a selling point. They'll sell far more phones to people that don't care about rooting... and that's before the corporate and government sales.
Can it be unlocked? It's possible. It could happen today, or it could take two years like the Verizon Note4 and require such a convoluted process that many people will screw their phones up in the attempt. In the case of the Note4, it took so long that many developers had long moved on to newer devices.
Are there people working on the unlock? Undoubtedly. But I've found that this work goes on quietly, less the unwashed masses try incomplete methods and end up making their phones useless. (I hesitate to use the term "bricked," because that implies a phone that cannot be fixed by anyone. It is an overused term on these forums.)
I used to flash two or three ROMs a day back when I first got an Android phone in the Droid Incredible days. Perhaps it's my age, but most of the ROMs I flashed had issues I don't want to mess with anymore. While the One UI isn't a perfect experience, the only possible enticement I could see to root my phone would be a full nandroid backup.
And if they do find a way to root, I'll be in the thread laughing my ass off at the idiots who don't know what they're doing and can't follow directions "brick" their phones. A word of wisdom: don't try to be the first. Let others screw up and get the process refined.
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Because I enjoyed the extra features associated with it?
Superuser, flashing a ROM, even just getting rid of certain bloatware or using a PS3 controller with bluetooth.
There's just a bunch of small things that I miss being able to do, but Samsung has been progressively locking their **** up more and more.
Why does it matter why I want it?
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It doesn't matter. I was genuinely curious. You might gain a few little things, but you break everything that uses Knox. Samsung Pay, S-Health, Secure Folder, apps like Adhell and Disconnect Pro. Oh, and you NEVER get those back even after un-rooting, so you have to sell it for a significantly lower price because the device is crippled.
Samsung is locking their devices down so they can provide a secure environment for US Government and company use. 97% of the consumer market appreciates the lock down as well, because it's more difficult for malware to use an exploit to gain root and use that to steal passwords, pins, numbers and so on.
If you want to be able to unlock a devices bootloader, add root access and flash community roms, you need to get another device. If you still want to root a Samsung, you need an Exynos device. But again, see my first paragraph.
If you really want to have root then probably the best thing is not to buy a phone till root has been made available. For certain type of phones this is unlikely to ever materialize. The situation is not unique to Samsung, particularly Samsung phones with Snapdragon; as also Huawei phones have become increasingly difficult/impossible to unlock and root.