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To Root or Not To Root

Now that I have upgraded from the Note 3 to Note 5, I am hoping that rooting without tripping Knox will be a possibility.
However, I must admit that if it's not possible that for the first time in quite a while, I would be content to not root, because I'm interested in Samsung Pay which relies on Knox.
I am still open to the fact that if there's a way to root and that there is a good, stable ROM in development available, I would be willing to give it a try.
Your thoughts?

I'd still root.
I would still root, just because I like using Tasker and a bunch of stuff in it isn't enabled. I also use Google Wallet anyway, so Knox is a non-issue for me.

nivek64 said:
Now that I have upgraded from the Note 3 to Note 5, I am hoping that rooting without tripping Knox will be a possibility.
However, I must admit that if it's not possible that for the first time in quite a while, I would be content to not root, because I'm interested in Samsung Pay which relies on Knox.
I am still open to the fact that if there's a way to root and that there is a good, stable ROM in development available, I would be willing to give it a try.
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I feel the same as you. I've been rooting and romming for the past four years and this is the first time that I've had no desire to root.

I hope they will release the Ping-Pong root soon for the Note 5 as I would like to try out the various payment solutions coming out in the next months.
I didn't care with the S6 Edge as I thought it would have taken ages to find a 'stealth' root, but then... :banghead:
Sent from my Samsung Galaxy S6 Edge (SM-G925F) using stock rooted v5.1.1 ? firmware

Ping pong was fixed in 5.1.1 ?

siriom said:
Ping pong was fixed in 5.1.1 ?
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Hmm I think so, but not sure as I used CF-Autoroot.
Sent from my Samsung Galaxy S6 Edge (SM-G925F) using stock rooted v5.1.1 ? firmware

Cr4z33 said:
Hmm I think so, but not sure as I used CF-Autoroot.
Sent from my Samsung Galaxy S6 Edge (SM-G925F) using stock rooted v5.1.1 firmware
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Oh you have a s6 edge ? I figured you were talking about root a note , then again i see youre in Italy so yeah no note for you either ...

I'm a rooter and ex flasholic but this time around I might not due to Samsung Pay. If I end up liking and using it, I won't root my phone but if I don't then I'll root and flash a Rom of choice as usual.
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I'm in agreement and have thanked those for responding to my post. I don't post often and respectfully welcome everyone's views and opinions.

If we get root I am all over it, I don't care about tap to pay... Takes me about the same time to pull out my phone and tap it as it does my card so yeah..

benefits of root outweigh the benefit of reaching into a different pocket to make a payment.

not sure yet
I too was an HTC M8 flashoholic, Ive been sober for a week now with the Note 5. I have to say it has been very smooth, even Touchwiz and trouble free as well as blazing fast. I do miss the Viper4Android and Titanium Back up abilities. But this phone needs some time for the developers to create some magic before I will root. There will be an OTA update soon and rooting will lose that ability, not to mention as of now there arent an abundance of ROMS to choose from. Also I have caught up on my sleep from the lack of flashing roms!
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Sprint 64g Black Note 5

Given the fact that I live in Canada and it will probably be 3 years or so before we can use Samsung Pay that makes my decision easier. I tried to stick with unrooted this time around so I can get the "promised" monthly security updates easily. However, Lightflow has that persistent notification if you dont have a rooted phone which is bothering me probably more than it should.

New t mobile note 4 sm-n910t3 ver 5.1.1 root??

Hello Everyone!
I just got a New t mobile note 4 SM-n910T3 lollypop? 5.1.1
I have been Cruzin this site and the web all night looking on how to root this phone without tripping knox
I am on a satellite internet service (HUGHESNET) and it is so very slow at times and only 250 megs of web surfing per day and I just about burned up my days allotment today trying to figure this phone out and rooting it
was going to get a note 5 but you can't replace a battery or add a sd card. most of Samsung new models are like the note 5, then finding out about this 5.1.1!! it looks like Samsung does not like people that buy there phones to modify or customize what they pay $500 to $700 for
So what is the best way to root this phone?? without tripping the knox
there is www.towelroot.com does this trip knox?
pingpong root?
one click root?
kingroot?
man o man this seems to go on and on
I wish the moderators here would make a thread on tested rooting processes so those of us that
do not have the skills that most people here at XDA do!! So like this post I think there are many many more like mine here!
Sorry if this has been posted by someone else

At this time and for the foreseeable future it will be impossible to not trip KNOX, every time Samsung updates it blocks you from messing with the firmware and all the methods you mentioned are "absolite" and do not work.
You need a new carrier with more power.
Pp.

Thank you for a reply but
You need a new carrier with more power. ???
I am on t mobile service are you saying go to AT&T more power??
Sorry I do not understand (You need a new carrier with more power. )
cf autoroot wont work on this phone??
so if I did not mind tripping knox what would be the best way to root this phone

I rooted my old Note 3 in October 2013 and read there is a hardware switch (like a fuse) that get's tripped when specific software changes are made. I don't know for sure that this is true, but the effectiveness of Knox can be seen in your difficulty of finding a way to circumvent it. If developers had found a way around it in the last 2+ years, it would be wildly popular and easy to find.
No, if you want root, you have to trip Knox. If you're with T-mobile, though, you may find it helpful to know I have not had an issue with getting support, including a replacement, for Knox-tripped phones.
XDA is set up in forum format so that you can read the results of personal testing and make your own choices. Yes, it would be great if they were made for us, and it would be great if everything on our phones worked all the time regardless of the hacks we do. You are hacking you phone. You get to decide how to do it. Usually there is risk of losing features, and often you can add features, like root. You get to decide what features are worth what risk. Happy reading.

Janis said:
I rooted my old Note 3 in October 2013 and read there is a hardware switch (like a fuse) that get's tripped when specific software changes are made. I don't know for sure that this is true, but the effectiveness of Knox can be seen in your difficulty of finding a way to circumvent it. If developers had found a way around it in the last 2+ years, it would be wildly popular and easy to find.
No, if you want root, you have to trip Knox. If you're with T-mobile, though, you may find it helpful to know I have not had an issue with getting support, including a replacement, for Knox-tripped phones.
XDA is set up in forum format so that you can read the results of personal testing and make your own choices. Yes, it would be great if they were made for us, and it would be great if everything on our phones worked all the time regardless of the hacks we do. You are hacking you phone. You get to decide how to do it. Usually there is risk of losing features, and often you can add features, like root. You get to decide what features are worth what risk. Happy reading.
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Hey so have you actually rooted a SM-N910T3 and unlocked bootloader and all?? I am desperate to get my rooted and flashed with a clean rom. please help.

Convince me to root my Note 8

I just got it last week. The system update notifications are driving me nuts. I shut them off via apps management, but of course they keep coming back every day.
The 80% battery thing sucks on my rooted S8+, though I can't tell if it's the same battery charge time simply recalibrated or what (never did get a clear answer on that).
The reminder on the settings icon on my rooted S8+ telling me to call Sammy drives me as crazy as a stuck pixel would.
I love viper, but the audio settings as stock offer pretty good customization for my needs.
Even with root it's getting near impossible to escape the barrage of adware **** on apps now.
So, before I simply update (basically committing to stock forever), tell me why I should root.
(I'm asking for specifics to this model here, not some chastising of my apparent ignorance of what root can provide. I've been rooting since the Motorola V3m flip phone. )

AddictedToGlass said:
I just got it last week. The system update notifications are driving me nuts. I shut them off via apps management, but of course they keep coming back every day.
The 80% battery thing sucks on my rooted S8+, though I can't tell if it's the same battery charge time simply recalibrated or what (never did get a clear answer on that).
The reminder on the settings icon on my rooted S8+ telling me to call Sammy drives me as crazy as a stuck pixel would.
I love viper, but the audio settings as stock offer pretty good customization for my needs.
Even with root it's getting near impossible to escape the barrage of adware **** on apps now.
So, before I simply update (basically committing to stock forever), tell me why I should root.
(I'm asking for specifics to this model here, not some chastising of my apparent ignorance of what root can provide. I've been rooting since the Motorola V3m flip phone. )
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Not much help But 3 Words Because you can:good::good::good:
Biggest thing for me is viper and other small time root only apps Xposed And minor debloat

twrp,SU,magisk,xposed
a device without the above is just an other apple.

bober10113 said:
twrp,SU,magisk,xposed
a device without the above is just an other apple.
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LOL, I have to disagree. I have an iPhone 7 for work (not my choice), and an unrooted, stock Note8. It's SO much better than an Apple.

Mr. Orange 645 said:
LOL, I have to disagree. I have an iPhone 7 for work (not my choice), and an unrooted, stock Note8. It's SO much better than an Apple.
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The proverbial apple in this case is never worst that the actual device

Stock note 8 to me is fine. I use blockada does a good jobs at blocking adds. It's the first phone I did not root. And not planning to. I know this is a thread to why you should root your phone. With this question depends on model if there is no tarp support for your model then root to me is pointless.
Now why not to root your

AddictedToGlass said:
I just got it last week. The system update notifications are driving me nuts. I shut them off via apps management, but of course they keep coming back every day.
The 80% battery thing sucks on my rooted S8+, though I can't tell if it's the same battery charge time simply recalibrated or what (never did get a clear answer on that).
The reminder on the settings icon on my rooted S8+ telling me to call Sammy drives me as crazy as a stuck pixel would.
I love viper, but the audio settings as stock offer pretty good customization for my needs.
Even with root it's getting near impossible to escape the barrage of adware **** on apps now.
So, before I simply update (basically committing to stock forever), tell me why I should root.
(I'm asking for specifics to this model here, not some chastising of my apparent ignorance of what root can provide. I've been rooting since the Motorola V3m flip phone. )
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You already sound convinced not to. Either way if you do update there is still root up to the February Snapdragon update.

Thanks for the comments.
The Note 8 will be the first phone that I've decided not to root or jailbreak if I do keep it stock (which it looks like I might do).
I love rooted phones, and in describing the Note 8 to my brother during a recent call, I actually said that this phone is so good that I might not even bother to root it.
LOL - not everyone gets what a compliment that is.

I know you want someone to convince you to root it but this phone really doesn't even need root, it's that good stock to me

The S8+ and Note 8 are the first 2 phones I haven't rooted since the T-Mobile G-1 in 2009. I do miss Adaway, TWRP, Root Explorer and Titanium Backup..........................................but I'll live without them for the time being.

AddictedToGlass said:
I just got it last week. The system update notifications are driving me nuts. I shut them off via apps management, but of course they keep coming back every day.
The 80% battery thing sucks on my rooted S8+, though I can't tell if it's the same battery charge time simply recalibrated or what (never did get a clear answer on that).
The reminder on the settings icon on my rooted S8+ telling me to call Sammy drives me as crazy as a stuck pixel would.
I love viper, but the audio settings as stock offer pretty good customization for my needs.
Even with root it's getting near impossible to escape the barrage of adware **** on apps now.
So, before I simply update (basically committing to stock forever), tell me why I should root.
(I'm asking for specifics to this model here, not some chastising of my apparent ignorance of what root can provide. I've been rooting since the Motorola V3m flip phone. )
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It's simple, you root because you want or need to. No reason for anyone but you to convince you. I decided that I like custom Roms and root more than Knox.
I don't have to worry about warranty because I live in the European union and have a mandatory warranty as long as flashing custom software was not the cause of whatever it is breaking on my phone.

To root or not to root

Hey guys, so the question is simple. Should I or should I not?
I've had this habit of tripping knox after 1-2 months of use ever since the Galaxy S4.(not bothered about Samsung pay and secure folder) But now I've been missing all my purchased root apps and especially the dual speaker. However, what I'm worried about are those few issues poppin out after some time like what happened with my S7 edge. So I'm torn between rooting or not.
That said, one of the main reasons I still root is for ad blocking. I've had ad blocking on my phones for a very long time, and I remember HATING the way mobile ads affected my browsing. So if anything, this will be the big reason I end up rooting again.
Also I like being able to back up my app data with titanium Etc.
If I was to root what custom ROMs would you recommend?
**Edit I have a exynos device **
Any suggestions? Thanks guys.

Well you didnt quite say whichdevice you have. Exynos or snapdragon. theres different root methods for each. snapdragons doesnt trip knox however you are limited in custom roms and 80% battery
Exynos has twrp so custom roms are a go but you trip knox.

me2151 said:
Well you didnt quite say whichdevice you have. Exynos or snapdragon. theres different root methods for each. snapdragons doesnt trip knox however you are limited in custom roms and 80% battery
Exynos has twrp so custom roms are a go but you trip knox.
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I've updated the post ?

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I've updated the post
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In that case. If you dont care about knox features go for it. as for custom roms i cant really say. Im on snapdragon so i dont have much in regards to custom roms.

marcushesketh1991 said:
Hey guys, so the question is simple. Should I or should I not?
I've had this habit of tripping knox after 1-2 months of use ever since the Galaxy S4.(not bothered about Samsung pay and secure folder) But now I've been missing all my purchased root apps and especially the dual speaker. However, what I'm worried about are those few issues poppin out after some time like what happened with my S7 edge. So I'm torn between rooting or not.
That said, one of the main reasons I still root is for ad blocking. I've had ad blocking on my phones for a very long time, and I remember HATING the way mobile ads affected my browsing. So if anything, this will be the big reason I end up rooting again.
Also I like being able to back up my app data with titanium Etc.
If I was to root what custom ROMs would you recommend?
**Edit I have a exynos device **
Any suggestions? Thanks guys.
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If it's mostly for ad blocking while browsing, have you tried the Disconnect and Adguard extensions for the Samsung browser? Been working great for me and no root required.

To root or not to root?

Hi everybody,
I’ve prereserved my Note 9, and while waiting for the release date I’m scrolling through the news and forums just to get teased a bit more
A question I’m asking myself though, is: do I really need to root this phone? I’ll lose some functionalities by rooting it (samsung pay/android pay, safetynet apps, knox...) but I’ll surely miss others too (adaway, xposed, tweaks...)
I always rooted all my devices unconditionnaly, like it’s part of my default setup, but do you guys think it’s still needed those days? Is there really a benefit, or can you live without root?

I use to be an avid 'root my phone asap' kinda guy, but the main reason was for wireless hotspot. It's included in most plans now, so I don't feel the need to. I liked getting a cleaner build, less bloatware. To each there own, but with a locked bootloader here in the US it may be a while as you'll need a unlocked version. Carriers here will have it locked down.

the first thing i'm going to do with the phone when i get it is rooting it, hopefully there is a working twrp and there is no oem timeout for unlocking the bootloader.
i can't live without adaway and titanium backup.
releasedate is thursday next week in sweden, can't wait, i have preordered the 512gb model in blue.

Not worth it anymore. Used to be mandatory when Android wasn't as feature rich and mature, but no reason for me to anymore.

In my case root would be needed only for app data transfer from the old phone. After that I don't see the need of root.
Anyway.. how about knox fuse trip and warranty?
Is this still a thing today? Was it in Note 5 7 8?
I know it was in Note 4. But what about later models?

I used to root, but not any more. I get the US unlocked version to cut down on the bloatware. Samsung has made it sooo easy to theme and skin the phone that it's pointless to root for that. Samsung pay is awesome and I use it more and more every day. Smart Switch has taken the place of Titanium back up, and it's free and very simple to use. Also with the 512gb version I ordered , not too worried about the few programs that I dont like but are included.
Sent from my Galaxy Note8 using XDA Labs

I used to root the second i got a device, however since the 8 and also with the 9 i dont bother any more, all the reasons before were to get better battery life slim down etc, i just use package disable pro now and im done. Besides no point in tripping knox loosing secure folder and faffimng around to get google pay working etc. I love to tinker but the benefits are just not there any more imho

Most probably first phone i will not root. especially for warranty purpose with the know feature

Thanks for the input Now that I have some answers I can give my insights too. I think I'll (be able to) wait a few days before being tempted to root it, but I'm pretty sure there will be a day, especially when Samsung will drop updates and I'll have to use custom ROMs if I want to stay up to date or maybe get the Note 10 port
The things I would miss if I don't root are: Adaway, TWRP (flashing and full backup/restore), MyBackup Pro, debloating, Xposed probably, Viper4Android maybe.

I have been a root on day one guy myself forever. Interesting that people here have not mentioned the privacy issues with all my carrier's supplied bloatware. That crap goes immmmmediately. That was the main reason for rooting for me.

Flame Red said:
I have been a root on day one guy myself forever. Interesting that people here have not mentioned the privacy issues with all my carrier's supplied bloatware. That crap goes immmmmediately. That was the main reason for rooting for me.
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Ultimately, you don't necessarily have to root to debloat. You can just flash and use TWRP for this. Although when you boot into TWRP it triggers Knox and you lose those related functionalities.

This will be the second phone im not gonna root. First was the pixel 3 i need samsung pay in my life and plus im getting the locked sprint version. Im scared tho i really do want a clean build. Going with sammy since the s6. I dont want a phone with a notch so i figure i use my upgrade this year

I will always root the 1st day. Titanium backup, ad-away, TWRP, custom roms with 3minit battery, ability to customize volume buttons, VIPER4ANDROID, sooo many more reasons why. Stock is boring and dull. No reason to be on XDA if you are not rooting and using developers creations.

Brava27 said:
I will always root the 1st day. Titanium backup, ad-away, TWRP, custom roms with 3minit battery, ability to customize volume buttons, VIPER4ANDROID, sooo many more reasons why. Stock is boring and dull. No reason to be on XDA if you are not rooting and using developers creations.
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Viper4android is the only reason I still root.

Taebom said:
Viper4android is the only reason I still root.
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Yup. Sounds so much better!

I personally stopped rooting since the Note 7 / S7E. I now find Samsung experience to offer me more than enough to keep from rooting. I've rooted all my phones since from the Dream G1 to Galaxy S1, Note 2, to the Note 4.

I root day 0 or I don't buy. Phone is worthless without Titanium backup, ad-away, TWRP.

i'm leaning towards no root. but it may be difficult to swallow at first, i think i've rooted the last 4 galaxies i've had... before that was a Nokia. I will undoubtedly miss ad-away, and i've made good use of Xposed on my recent Note5, but many people mention TitaniumBackup and i just don't use it much anymore. I have done a couple full backups with TWRP and used restore from it a couple times, but lets face it... those are things i wouldn't need if a hadn't broke something in a Root function in the first place! All in all, hoping for the best without Root - I want Knox intact. If you guys don't hear from me in the next week or two, i drowned in advertisements.

I've not rooted since my note 5, after being an instant root and Rom girly. It was previously much more needed, but these days not at all for me.
Best things I've found about not rooting -
- No worries at all about trading in, selling on, warranties, insurance etc.
- No worries about keeping the system ROM up to date, and over the air updates are sooooo easy
- No glitches or issues with radios and hardware etc from non standard roms
For me, the level that the current software and hardware is at has wiped out the need for rooting and flashing custom roms

Dayzee said:
I've not rooted since my note 5, after being an instant root and Rom girly. It was previously much more needed, but these days not at all for me.
Best things I've found about not rooting -
- No worries at all about trading in, selling on, warranties, insurance etc.
- No worries about keeping the system ROM up to date, and over the air updates are sooooo easy
- No glitches or issues with radios and hardware etc from non standard roms
For me, the level that the current software and hardware is at has wiped out the need for rooting and flashing custom roms
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THIS!
I'd rather have the option, but, no such animal for US Samsung devices.
I can deal w/o it on Samsung devices, thanks to Package Disabler Pro & the ad blocking app Block-This.
Is it a perfect substitute for root?
No, but, this gives me the best of what's important to me with the minimum of compromises.
No interest in non-Samsung based ROMs for this phone, why bother picking up a Note to strip it of its unique features........
Currently using a VZW Note 5 using Package Disabler Pro & Block-This..... Doing just fine, the pragmatic part of my twisted mind (on life support, LOL) tells me to save my money & wait until next year, but, I bought this particular phone in great condition @ a great price, to use solely as a trade-in for T-Mobile"s $500 bill credit.....
Sent from my Galaxy Note 5 using XDA Labs