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So I really miss rooting and modding my phones so I was thinking about do that Chinese method of unlocking my verizon wireless moto x. I just have a couple questions if anyone could answer I'd appreciate it. I can't find much info about 4.4.2 for the verizon moto x because before this unlock discovery, it wasn't possible
1. Once I unlock, is rooting just a simple adb command away?
2. Will I still be able receive android updates via OTA from verizon in the future? Assuming I remain on stock rom and don't flash a rom.
3. My main goal would to be able to tether. So is there a xposed mod to enable tethering on stock rom?
I've only seen this info for DE Moto Xs' and outdated info so I just want to be as updated as possible before I decide to do this.
tu3218 said:
So I really miss rooting and modding my phones so I was thinking about do that Chinese method of unlocking my verizon wireless moto x. I just have a couple questions if anyone could answer I'd appreciate it. I can't find much info about 4.4.2 for the verizon moto x because before this unlock discovery, it wasn't possible
1. Once I unlock, is rooting just a simple adb command away?
2. Will I still be able receive android updates via OTA from verizon in the future? Assuming I remain on stock rom and don't flash a rom.
3. My main goal would to be able to tether. So is there a xposed mod to enable tethering on stock rom?
I've only seen this info for DE Moto Xs' and outdated info so I just want to be as updated as possible before I decide to do this.
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1. after you unlock the bootloader Rooting is as easy as installed TWRP or CWM then flashing SuperSU flashable sip and your rooted.
2. yes you will still get OTA updates. but in order to use the OTA update you will have to reflash the stock recovery. then take the update and reflash TWRP or CWM and SuperSU and your rooted again.
3.yea there is
hope this answered all your questions.
^^ this
Also, with an unlocked bootloader....you now have a phone that is no different than a dev edition. Aside from your warranty.
There's nothing else special about the dev edition. You keep your warranty on a DE.....that's where its specialness ends.
Sent from my N5, N7, Moto X, G Tab 3 or S2.....
dray_jr said:
1. after you unlock the bootloader Rooting is as easy as installed TWRP or CWM then flashing SuperSU flashable sip and your rooted.
2. yes you will still get OTA updates. but in order to use the OTA update you will have to reflash the stock recovery. then take the update and reflash TWRP or CWM and SuperSU and your rooted again.
3.yea there is
hope this answered all your questions.
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Yeah thanks a lot! My plan would be to just run stock software but just add the tethering xposed module. But my main concern was receiving future OTAs so it's good to know that I still can. Is it pretty safe to root/unlock this phone? My galaxy nexus was a breeze(obviously being a nexus), but like my S3, there was no flashing back to stock recovery, taking OTA, an than flashing CWM again. At least it wasn't as easy as you described lol I think because there was always concern about whether the update removed ability to root access. Is that possible with this phone or with the unlocking of the bootloader, does that take that variable out? Thanks again. Oh yeah last question, once I'm unlocked, can I lock it back up again and go back to completely stock if I wanted to for some reason? Or is it a done deal.
tu3218 said:
Yeah thanks a lot! My plan would be to just run stock software but just add the tethering xposed module. But my main concern was receiving future OTAs so it's good to know that I still can. Is it pretty safe to root/unlock this phone? My galaxy nexus was a breeze(obviously being a nexus), but like my S3, there was no flashing back to stock recovery, taking OTA, an than flashing CWM again. At least it wasn't as easy as you described lol I think because there was always concern about whether the update removed ability to root access. Is that possible with this phone or with the unlocking of the bootloader, does that take that variable out? Thanks again. Oh yeah last question, once I'm unlocked, can I lock it back up again and go back to completely stock if I wanted to for some reason? Or is it a done deal.
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the unlocking the bootloader process is kind of a pain but not too bad.
custom recovery and root are as simple as one command and one flashable zip
as long as you follow directions and read before doing anything then it should be safe. but rooting and modifying your phone is never %100 save.
when you unlock your bootloader you will always be able to root your phone no matter what android version your on. but it is always possible that they make some crazy change and we have issues.
once unlocked you can relock with with "fastboot oem lock" but that stupid warning msg about you bootloader being unlocked won't go away unless you flash a custom boot screen.
i hope i answered all your questions to your full needs and if you have any more please feel free to ask here or PM me if need be.
Unlocking the bootloader is pretty easy if you have adb setup. Don't forget to backup via helium (download to computer or cloud not local.) since unlocking will delete everything and helium can work without root.
Xposed module is great, less intrusive than flashing roms and you can easily get the tethering, etc.
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I have a stock xt1058 (ATT Moto X 2013) and need to root it, without wiping what is there already and ideally also to be in a position where I can unroot pretty quickly. I have no need to unlock the bootloader (unless required) and simply am looking for temporary root access. What is the best way to achieve this?
EDIT: The current Android Version is 4.4.4
See the one stop root thread in general for root methods.
But quick answer.... No, sorry.
No to which part exactly?
Did you read the one stop root thread? Your answer is there.
Again though, there is no way to root 4.4.4, fully or temporarily, without an unlocked bootloader.
And on your device, there's no current way to unlock your bootloader. You can try Sunshine app (Google it for their site). It costs $25, but usually will not work on 4.4.4. You can try it without paying. It will give you an error before you ever need to pay.
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After reading all the threads about rooting the new S6 (technically the inability to root) and all the talk about unlocking, I am not quite clear on if there is a round-about way to get root. Can I: unlock my phone, put in another carriers SIM (like T-Mobile) and with that SIM in root the phone? Is it possible to roll back the operating system back to one that does have a vulnerability to allow root.
What makes AT&T version unable to root when it runs the same operating system as T-Mobile (I am assuming they run the same operating system). Why is it so definitive that there won't be a root for this phone?
I am have read articles, but I want to hear a dumbed-down, to the point explanation from people who understand how this works.
Thanks!
On the att model the bootloader is locked down tight whereas on tmo it can be unlocked. That is the issue. The things you mentioned won't work unfortunately.
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fitzumwell said:
After reading all the threads about rooting the new S6 (technically the inability to root) and all the talk about unlocking, I am not quite clear on if there is a round-about way to get root. Can I: unlock my phone, put in another carriers SIM (like T-Mobile) and with that SIM in root the phone? Is it possible to roll back the operating system back to one that does have a vulnerability to allow root.
What makes AT&T version unable to root when it runs the same operating system as T-Mobile (I am assuming they run the same operating system). Why is it so definitive that there won't be a root for this phone?
I am have read articles, but I want to hear a dumbed-down, to the point explanation from people who understand how this works.
Thanks!
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You're asking a few different questions so i will try to answer them as best I can.
1st things 1st. All versions of the GS6 can be rooted. However, the AT&T and Verizon versions have locked bootloaders which mean that as of right now, there is no way to flash a custom recovery making it impossible flash roms. Having a rooted phone with a locked bootloader is fine as you can still install apps that require root it really just means no custom recovery and no custom roms.
The other thing about using a different sim card is called SIM UNLOCKING or carrier unlocking. This is something that the original carrier should do for you for free once you've paid the device off and do not owe anything on it. Also, most carriers like T-Mobile will not unlock it for you until you've used the phone on their network for at least 40 days (dont quote me on that, its 40 give or take 5 days)
So, to be clear its not rooting that allows you to use a foreign sim its SIM unlocking and this can be done for free by the carrier once you pay the phone off.
All versions of the GS6 can be rooted its just some even after you root will not be able install custom roms.
Hope this helps.
Also, if you are on at&t but dont wanna be stuck with a locked bootloader you may wanna consider buying a factory unlocked phone. They cost a little bit more but they are already unlocked so using T-Mobile or AT&T on most unlocked models is easy as changing the sim card. AND since they have unlocked bootloaders all you have to do is root it and you are free to install whatever custom rom you want.
Good luck!
jimmiekain said:
You're asking a few different questions so i will try to answer them as best I can.
1st things 1st. All versions of the GS6 can be rooted. However, the AT&T and Verizon versions have locked bootloaders which mean that as of right now, there is no way to flash a custom recovery making it impossible flash roms. Having a rooted phone with a locked bootloader is fine as you can still install apps that require root it really just means no custom recovery and no custom roms.
The other thing about using a different sim card is called SIM UNLOCKING or carrier unlocking. This is something that the original carrier should do for you for free once you've paid the device off and do not owe anything on it. Also, most carriers like T-Mobile will not unlock it for you until you've used the phone on their network for at least 40 days (dont quote me on that, its 40 give or take 5 days)
So, to be clear its not rooting that allows you to use a foreign sim its SIM unlocking and this can be done for free by the carrier once you pay the phone off.
All versions of the GS6 can be rooted its just some even after you root will not be able install custom roms.
Hope this helps.
Also, if you are on at&t but dont wanna be stuck with a locked bootloader you may wanna consider buying a factory unlocked phone. They cost a little bit more but they are already unlocked so using T-Mobile or AT&T on most unlocked models is easy as changing the sim card. AND since they have unlocked bootloaders all you have to do is root it and you are free to install whatever custom rom you want.
Good luck!
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Thank you so much for clarifying that for me but that leaves me with more questions. So you are saying I can still root my ATT phone? I need root access for giving root privileges to other apps and not to flash custom roms. I want to be able to remove bloatware and tweak the performance of the phone. Is that a different kind of root? I rooted my GS4 with an app I put on the phone and not with Odin. Is that what I need to do again if I am not planning on modding my rom?
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Thank you so much for clarifying that for me but that leaves me with more questions. So you are saying I can still root my ATT phone? I need root access for giving root privileges to other apps and not to flash custom roms. I want to be able to remove bloatware and tweak the performance of the phone. Is that a different kind of root? I rooted my GS4 with an app I put on the phone and not with Odin. Is that what I need to do again if I am not planning on modding my rom?
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So you are saying I can still root my ATT phone? YES BUT YOU WILL NOT BE ABLE TO INSTALL A CUSTOM RECOVERY BECAUSE THE BOOTLOADER IS LOCKED. WITHOUT A CUSTOM RECOVERY, YOU WILL NOT BE ABLE TO INSTALL ROMS.
I need root access for giving root privileges to other apps and not to flash custom roms. YES AND NO, YOU NEED ROOT TO GIVE ROOT PRIVS TO OTHER APPS BUT ITS NOT ROOT THAT ALLOWS YOU TO INSTALL CUSTOM ROMS, ITS BOTH ROOT AND A CUSTOM BOOTLOADER.
I want to be able to remove bloatware and tweak the performance of the phone. YOU CAN DO THAT WITH ROOT. NO CUSTOM ROM REQUIRED.
Is that a different kind of root? THERE IS ONLY ONE KIND OF ROOT, THERE ARE MANY WAYS TO ROOT BUT THERE IS ONLY ONE KIND. EITHER YOU ARE ROOTED OR YOU ARE NOT.
I rooted my GS4 with an app I put on the phone and not with Odin. Is that what I need to do again if I am not planning on modding my rom? YOU CAN USE ODIN, YOU MAY ALSO BE ABLE TO DO IT USING THE APP METHOD BUT I DONT KNOW FOR SURE.
SORRY IT TOOK SO LONG TO RESPOND, I'VE BEEN SHOPPING AROUND FOR AN UNLOCKED GS6 MYSELF.
Hope this helps.
Can you link me to a root method that doesn't trip Knox? I have the att S6
xXQuintonXx said:
Can you link me to a root method that doesn't trip Knox? I have the att S6
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We don't have one yet.
SilkyJohnson said:
We don't have one yet.
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Is there a way to remove Knox so we can root?
Your a Big Help
jimmiekain said:
So you are saying I can still root my ATT phone? YES BUT YOU WILL NOT BE ABLE TO INSTALL A CUSTOM RECOVERY BECAUSE THE BOOTLOADER IS LOCKED. WITHOUT A CUSTOM RECOVERY, YOU WILL NOT BE ABLE TO INSTALL ROMS.
I need root access for giving root privileges to other apps and not to flash custom roms. YES AND NO, YOU NEED ROOT TO GIVE ROOT PRIVS TO OTHER APPS BUT ITS NOT ROOT THAT ALLOWS YOU TO INSTALL CUSTOM ROMS, ITS BOTH ROOT AND A CUSTOM BOOTLOADER.
I want to be able to remove bloatware and tweak the performance of the phone. YOU CAN DO THAT WITH ROOT. NO CUSTOM ROM REQUIRED.
Is that a different kind of root? THERE IS ONLY ONE KIND OF ROOT, THERE ARE MANY WAYS TO ROOT BUT THERE IS ONLY ONE KIND. EITHER YOU ARE ROOTED OR YOU ARE NOT.
I rooted my GS4 with an app I put on the phone and not with Odin. Is that what I need to do again if I am not planning on modding my rom? YOU CAN USE ODIN, YOU MAY ALSO BE ABLE TO DO IT USING THE APP METHOD BUT I DONT KNOW FOR SURE.
SORRY IT TOOK SO LONG TO RESPOND, I'VE BEEN SHOPPING AROUND FOR AN UNLOCKED GS6 MYSELF.
Hope this helps.
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Thank you so much for explaining all that for me. I guess there aren't many people out there that want root without the expectation to flash their ROM. I will keep researching till I find a way to get root where I don't need to flash the ROM with it.
fitzumwell said:
Thank you so much for explaining all that for me. I guess there aren't many people out there that want root without the expectation to flash their ROM. I will keep researching till I find a way to get root where I don't need to flash the ROM with it.
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You can root without flashing a rom.
jimmiekain said:
You can root without flashing a rom.
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How can that be done? Everyone says there is no point so noone is coding it? Am I missing something?
Now that you AT&T & Verizon users have root (Ping-pong Root)
You can't flash other custom recovery/Kernels/Roms becauce the bootloder are still locked, right?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-s6/general/root-pingpongroot-s6-root-tool-t3103016
What about what happend in S5 lile safestrap?
Can anyone do it in S6/S6E?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2794087
I haven't seen any root methods listed here for 5.0.
I'm still on 4.4 because I didn't want to lose system write or root. Has anyone been able to successfully root 5.0 with system write ability? What method did you use?
I've seen mentions of using Chain Fire but the articles are usually poorly written, so I don't trust them.
d3athsd00r said:
I haven't seen any root methods listed here for 5.0.
I'm still on 4.4 because I didn't want to lose system write or root. Has anyone been able to successfully root 5.0 with system write ability? What method did you use?
I've seen mentions of using Chain Fire but the articles are usually poorly written, so I don't trust them.
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Twrp has the option to root.
When you reboot from it.
That's how I rooted twrp
I'm on AT&T, so my bootloader is still locked. Unless someone has figured out how to unlock without paying $25.
d3athsd00r said:
I'm on AT&T, so my bootloader is still locked. Unless someone has figured out how to unlock without paying $25.
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If you have a locked bootloader you need someone to find a in the phone, or its software. Then a repeatable process must be created to use the exploit to gain root. i.e. Hack It.
Root is only part. There is also Write Protection to worry about.. When Write Protection is enabled (the phone's default state with locked bootloader, any changes made to /system, or the like, (including, but not limited to, App installs, file modifications, deletions, renames, etc) are not permanent and are lost at power off/on. Starting with 4.4.2, on a locked bootloader we can't disable write protection. No Vulnerabilities have been found/posted. However, Unlocking the bootloader disables write protection.
So if you have a locked bootloader, and want to root 5.02, you first need 5.02 to come out, then vulnerability found, tested, and a process created. When 5.1 comes out, it needs to be tested to see if the vulnerability was patched. if it was, the work starts all over again.. Its like playing "whack a mole." And even then you likely will have write protection enabled... so any power off/on or "hard boot" will mean lost changes to your phone.
Since the 2013 X is getting old, and only ATT, Verizon, and Republic wireless can't unlock their bootloader through Motorola's site, Paying $25 to use Sunshine if your phone is still on 4.4.2 or lower, is not a bad deal if you want to be sure you can root and disable write protection no matter what Android version comes to your phone.
NOTE: I am not affiliated with Sunshine... just trying to help you understand... Coming up with a root process for a LOCKED Bootloader isn't "quick and easy"
d3athsd00r said:
I'm on AT&T, so my bootloader is still locked. Unless someone has figured out how to unlock without paying $25.
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That's literally the only way you are going to have root on lollipop. At least for a while anyways. I don't think many people would be interested in finding and creating exploits after this phone has already be exploited to the point where almost everyone can unlock their bootloader. I started at 4.4, went down to 4.2.2, used RockMyMoto and MotoWPnomo, then used SlapMyMoto when upgrading back to 4.4. After that I installed Safestrap and was able to use the stock (and rooted) ROMs by @Ctrl-Freak all the way up to 4.4.4. But after I heard about Sunshine... That was the holy grail. Unlocked my bootloader, flashed a clean install of stock 4.4 and just upgraded till 4.4.4 again, flashed TWRP, rooted, and that was it.
Thanks guys. I was always wary about Sunshine. Just never sat well with me, but I think I'm going to do it after I move into my new house since I have no plans to upgrade anytime soon.
d3athsd00r said:
Thanks guys. I was always wary about Sunshine. Just never sat well with me, but I think I'm going to do it after I move into my new house since I have no plans to upgrade anytime soon.
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Its true, Sunshine is kind of risky... BUT because of those involved with it, I would consider it as safe as any "hack" can get.
If I didn't have a Dev Edition X, and needed to unlock my bootloader, I would not hesitate to use Sunshine.
I realize the answer might be it isn't possible but if it is how can I stop my phone from updating in hopes that a root method might become available.
I just got my first update notice from the phone and root is something I really do prefer to have despite what I lose and all the alternatives out there for root related apps.
Thanks in advance for anyone who helps.
BK Disabler. Disable the 3 apps that say update.
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Icon000 said:
I realize the answer might be it isn't possible but if it is how can I stop my phone from updating in hopes that a root method might become available.
I just got my first update notice from the phone and root is something I really do prefer to have despite what I lose and all the alternatives out there for root related apps.
Thanks in advance for anyone who helps.
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Updating will not effect you being able to root in the future. When root is obtained for the Snapdragon variant (don't hold your breath) You will be able to root regardless of updates taken
Mr.Ash.Man said:
Updating will not effect you being able to root in the future. When root is obtained for the Snapdragon variant (don't hold your breath) You will be able to root regardless of updates taken
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Are you sure? Because I feel like in the past with other phones they've advised against updates since the OEM could patch the exploit used to obtain root.
Icon000 said:
Are you sure? Because I feel like in the past with other phones they've advised against updates since the OEM could patch the exploit used to obtain root.
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Positive.
There's already a thread about it somewhere around here...
Rooting latest samsung snapdragon devices requires an eng kernel to be used. Will work on any update
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Updating will not effect you being able to root in the future. When root is obtained for the Snapdragon variant (don't hold your breath) You will be able to root regardless of updates taken
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That doesn't seem to be correct. I have note 8 Verizon and I can't root because my bootloader is updated to version 3 or 4. You have to be on bootloader 1 to root and it's not possible to downgrade your bootloader, so I'm screwed. At the moment I'm trying to stop the updates in hope that a root method will become available for later bootloader versions. My bootloader has upgraded 2 versions since I found out and can't seem to stop the updated. I even have them disabled in Dev opt.
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That doesn't seem to be correct. I have note 8 Verizon and I can't root because my bootloader is updated to version 3 or 4. You have to be on bootloader 1 to root and it's not possible to downgrade your bootloader, so I'm screwed. At the moment I'm trying to stop the updates in hope that a root method will become available for later bootloader versions. My bootloader has upgraded 2 versions since I found out and can't seem to stop the updated. I even have them disabled in Dev opt.
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Correct (his post is over a year old). You'll need to disable the update-related packages to stop them completely.
If I'm on F/W revision 3, can I use odin to update without updating the bootloader version?