Do you guys think this device would update to marshmallow or marshmallow based roms?
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Do you guys think this device would update to marshmallow or marshmallow based roms?
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Nope.
You can get some of the look of Marshmallow by loading the Nova launcher onto the Fire 7.
Root the Fire 7 with RootJunky's SuperTool and install the Nova launcher with one of the SuperTool options. One of the feature options of the Nova launcher is Marshmallow style icons. In Nova launcher go to Nova Settings, Look & feel, Icon theme, Marshmallow Android 6.0.
Don't fix what isn't broken. If you look through the latest history of custom v6 roms, they're rife with installation bugs and google apps barely works. Just stick with the latest CM 5, it works great with not much room for improvement for a casual user like me.
Maybe not Roms but FireOS 6 might be available to fire 7
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Maybe not Roms but FireOS 6 might be available to fire 7
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Might - but probably not. If/when Amazon updates FireOS to an Android 6/7 base there would be no business case to push out a major update to a huge number of older budget devices. Some of those upgrades are going to fail driving up support costs. To what end? Are Fire 7 owners suddenly going to start buying more stuff from Amazon because they got a shiny new version of FireOS?
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Might - but probably not. If/when Amazon updates FireOS to an Android 6/7 base there would be no business case to push out a major update to a huge number of older budget devices. Some of those upgrades are going to fail driving up support costs. To what end? Are Fire 7 owners suddenly going to start buying more stuff from Amazon because they got a shiny new version of FireOS?
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Yeah but Amazon has done an update to the next major FireOS on a few tablets. An example are the fire HD 6\7 and Fire HDX 2014 updated to FireOS 5 so why not the Fire 7, Fire HDX 8\10 getting FireOS 6
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Yeah but Amazon has done an update to the next major FireOS on a few tablets. An example are the fire HD 6\7 and Fire HDX 2014 updated to FireOS 5 so why not the Fire 7, Fire HDX 8\10 getting FireOS 6
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Price points (margins) were higher on those examples, especially the 4th gen HDX. My sense is Amazon got burned updating those devices and won't make the same mistake. Again, what's to be gained from Amazon's perspective?
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Price points (margins) were higher on those examples, especially the 4th gen HDX. My sense is Amazon got burned updating those devices and won't make the same mistake. Again, what's to be gained from Amazon's perspective?
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Is there a problem? It's just an update. And you're also assuming Amazon got burned. There are a lot of people wanting Marshmallow so why do you have to try to shut a lot of people down? Like I said its just an update, not supposed to raise sales on the 5th gens.
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Is there a problem? It's just an update. And you're also assuming Amazon got burned. There are a lot of people wanting Marshmallow so why do you have to try to shut a lot of people down? Like I said its just an update, not supposed to raise sales on the 5th gens.
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Offering a different perspective. Lots of problems updating HDX models from JB->KK->LP having worked with that community for quite awhile. That said, 5th gen Fire's have more robust recovery capabilities (can reload stock if an update goes bad; could not do that on HDX; effectively bricked) so perhaps the risk is lower.
Any successful company operates against a business plan of which customer 'wants' play into that equation with varying weights. In this case device sales are arguably loss leaders; what people do with the their Amazon appliances (buy stuff from Amazon!) is where the moneys at. Lollipop -> Marshmallow is not "just an update" when deployed across a large user base with varying configs. A non-functioning or misbehaving device doesn't generate clicks and sales.
If a Marshmallow based version of FireOS does come out I suspect Amazon will heavily modify some of the most desirable features to satisfy their business interests. Doze immediately comes to mind as Amazon apps tend to aggressively run in the background monitoring everything. Now-on-Tap, granular permissions, system tuner ... I don't think so. Adopted storage would be nice.
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Offering a different perspective. Lots of problems updating HDX models from JB->KK->LP having worked with that community for quite awhile. That said, 5th gen Fire's have more robust recovery capabilities (can reload stock if an update goes bad; could not do that on HDX; effectively bricked) so perhaps the risk is lower.
Any successful company operates against a business plan of which customer 'wants' play into that equation with varying weights. In this case device sales are arguably loss leaders; what people do with the their Amazon appliances (buy stuff from Amazon!) is where the moneys at. Lollipop -> Marshmallow is not "just an update" when deployed across a large user base with varying configs. A non-functioning or misbehaving device doesn't generate clicks and sales.
If a Marshmallow based version of FireOS does come out I suspect Amazon will heavily modify some of the most desirable features to satisfy their business interests. Doze immediately comes to mind as Amazon apps tend to aggressively run in the background monitoring everything. Now-on-Tap, granular permissions, system tuner ... I don't think so. Adopted storage would be nice.
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Yay, but then the bootloder would admit marshmallow/nougat so cm13/14 would be possible if it could be rooted.
FireOS is **** in every version, but if it updates, it opens the door fot new custom roms.
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Yay, but then the bootloder would admit marshmallow/nougat so cm13/14 would be possible if it could be rooted.
FireOS is **** in every version, but if it updates, it opens the door fot new custom roms.
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Yep - with you there on custom ROMs. Nothing wrong with FireOS for the target audience and desired consumer behavior. Easy to use and presents Amazon's various stores front and center. No one would be complaining there was a different core OS under the covers.
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Hi Everyone,
Is there a simple way to determine which methods to do which things are for which device?
It seems (unless I am missing something-- it wouldn't be the first time) that this forum mixes the 2012 and the new version of the Fire HD and apparently they are so NOT the same device that it could be disastrous to try some of the things listed here.
I bought a Fire HD this Christmas for my daughter and simply want to root it and hopefully install TWRP and a ROM to make it more generically Android. If nothing else, at least get GAPPS, so she won't have to pay for apps she already has on her phone.
I see threads here that imply that it is possible (second bootloader, etc), but there is no mention anywhere if these methods are for the older or newer version (again, unless I have missed it).
I was hoping that at least in this top level forum for all of the Fire HD devices, that in the FAQ it would help spell out what can and can't be done and how to determine the differences by tread title.
If I'm missing something (and again, my ADD makes that a definite possibility :silly, please let me know, but other XDA forums (my Galaxy S4 for example) has rules for how things get posted to help differentiate between hardware differences that could cause a brick to happen.
I understand that there are many more older Fire HD devices out there, but Amazon sold tonnage this past Christmas of the new ones so hopefully good things are in store, but that makes differentiation even more important, no?
Thanks in advance,
Dan
Dan Miller said:
Hi Everyone,
Is there a simple way to determine which methods to do which things are for which device?
It seems (unless I am missing something-- it wouldn't be the first time) that this forum mixes the 2012 and the new version of the Fire HD and apparently they are so NOT the same device that it could be disastrous to try some of the things listed here.
I bought a Fire HD this Christmas for my daughter and simply want to root it and hopefully install TWRP and a ROM to make it more generically Android. If nothing else, at least get GAPPS, so she won't have to pay for apps she already has on her phone.
I see threads here that imply that it is possible (second bootloader, etc), but there is no mention anywhere if these methods are for the older or newer version (again, unless I have missed it).
I was hoping that at least in this top level forum for all of the Fire HD devices, that in the FAQ it would help spell out what can and can't be done and how to determine the differences by tread title.
If I'm missing something (and again, my ADD makes that a definite possibility :silly, please let me know, but other XDA forums (my Galaxy S4 for example) has rules for how things get posted to help differentiate between hardware differences that could cause a brick to happen.
I understand that there are many more older Fire HD devices out there, but Amazon sold tonnage this past Christmas of the new ones so hopefully good things are in store, but that makes differentiation even more important, no?
Thanks in advance,
Dan
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Short answer: no.
You're not missing anything. Many (if not MOST) posts are extremely ambiguous about which hardware is being reference (Kindle, Kindle 2, HD, HD 2, HDX) then there's the size variations. Just the other day I asked a very similar question.
What I can tell you to look for is the firmware version number referenced because that is a great indicator of what's intended. Combine that with other hints and you can usually tell pretty well. For example, Kinde Fire HD could mean the 2012[ish] model that will be running 7.x firmware. The 2013 Kindle Fire HDs will be running 11.x now (if they're updated and as of when I'm posting this). That's the next major clue, look at when the post was made because that likely refers to the generation of device if it's a ROM/HACK (as opposed to inquiry). Firmware names tend to have the hardware nick-name in them too which can help also.
Personally, if I posted something hardware dependent I would provide my model #, year/month purchased, firmware version, model name (HD, HDX) and size.
Blame Amazon for being ridiculous with their product names.
Same boat
I too wish the Kindle names were less ambiguous. Moving forward, i would like to see new threads specify 2012 or 2013 models. I keep clicking on thread after thread hoping that somewhere a Cyanogenmod or other ROM has been found to work on the 2013/SOHO KFHD, but keep going in circles.
There are not many threads about the 2013 Kindle Fire HD 7 because there are not many exploits. There is root, remove lock screen ads and the ability to install Google Play although Google Play at this point is for window shopping only. Attempts to download from the play store, at this point, will freeze the tablet and you will need to reboot it. I added the links in my signature to help people find the few topics available.
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thank you
LinearEquation said:
There are not many threads about the 2013 Kindle Fire HD 7 because there are not many exploits. There is root, remove lock screen ads and the ability to install Google Play although Google Play at this point is for window shopping only. Attempts to download from the play store, at this point, will freeze the tablet and you will need to reboot it. I added the links in my signature to help people find the few topics available.
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I appreciate the quick reply. Now i can rest finally knowing there is nothing more i can do with it for now. Wait...nevermind..now i have to start trying to hack my OUYA lol
Lmfao. stuck developers
Just wondering, for those more savvy than I am, can a Nexus 7 ROM easily be ported over to the Fire 5th gen? I'm curious because I'd love to use a custom android auto ROM on my Fire then set it up in my vehicle as a media center. Anyone have any input on this?
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Just wondering, for those more savvy than I am, can a Nexus 7 ROM easily be ported over to the Fire 5th gen? I'm curious because I'd love to use a custom android auto ROM on my Fire then set it up in my vehicle as a media center. Anyone have any input on this?
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Not possible at present as the bootloader/kernel remain locked on this device. Only Lollipop based ROMs upon which the FireOS v5 kernel is based. Likely CM 12.1 or Fire Nexus (Nexus 5 clone) custom ROMs for this device can do what you are looking for albeit in a less integrated manner than an Android Auto.
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Not possible at present as the bootloader/kernel remain locked on this device. Only Lollipop based ROMs upon which the FireOS v5 kernel is based. Likely CM 12.1 or Fire Nexus (Nexus 5 clone) custom ROMs for this device can do what you are looking for albeit in a less integrated manner than an Android Auto.
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Thanks for the quick and detailed answer. I'm running Resurrection remix on my fire currently, but may give Fire Nexus or CM a go just to see if I can accomplish what I want with either of them.
Really all I'm looking to do is have the tablet provide notifications and the ability to reply to some, much as if the tablet were simply an Android Wear watch. There's already a few good ways to replicate Android Auto, but since the Fire is wifi only, and that's not available when out driving, I have to take another route.
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Thanks for the quick and detailed answer. I'm running Resurrection remix on my fire currently, but may give Fire Nexus or CM a go just to see if I can accomplish what I want with either of them.
Really all I'm looking to do is have the tablet provide notifications and the ability to reply to some, much as if the tablet were simply an Android Wear watch. There's already a few good ways to replicate Android Auto, but since the Fire is wifi only, and that's not available when out driving, I have to take another route.
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There are ways to feed a WiFi only device while away from a static AP (typically via wireless tether) but I'm sure you have considered those already. Good luck finding the right gizmo for your needs.
What can be done on a fire 5th gen running 5.6.0.1?
Just pulled mine out and it updated. From my understanding I can't remove bloat, have root, or block ota updates but I can install google play store. How accurate am I?
You can downgrade and "debloat" if that's your cup of tea. Can also install the Google Play store and related services and possibly a different launcher. See the XDA forum for this device for further info.
forum.xda-developers.com/amazon-fire/help/fire-7-2017-7th-gen-downgrade-debloat-t3699937
forum.xda-developers.com/amazon-fire/general/how-to-install-google-play-store-fire-t3486603
forum.xda-developers.com/amazon-fire/general/launcher-root-launcher-hijack-v2-t3561026
Thanks for the reply Davey126, but the first link you provided is a for a 7th gen Fire. Does this downgrade also work for 5th gen Fires? I too am looking for a root option for my 5th gen 5.6.0.1 (whether it be root or downgrade and root), but have been unsuccessful in my research. The general consensus I've seen in various forums is that this can't be done with the 5th gens on 5.6.0.1. I hope this isn't the case...
Agreed. Pretty good chance Amazon incorporated a bootloader update in the 5.6.x.x update for 5th gen devices which would yield a non-recoverable brick if rolled back to 5.4.x.x. Regardless, root is NOT an option for 5th gen devices that have updated beyond 5.3.2.0. Your best option IMHO is to enjoy the device as-is possibly enhanced with the Google Play store. You may have seen root is available for 7th gen HD 10 models running FireOS 5.6 but that device uses a different hardware architecture. A root exploit is highly unlikely for 5th-7th gen devices using the older architecture (including Fire, Fire 7, HD 8 and some HD 10 varients).
I use launcher hijacker And Nova Looks Like a Normal Tablet Now
Which is better? which is faster?
Im deciding on which rom to install on my fire 7 5th gen.
jakiejohnson said:
Which is better? which is faster?
Im deciding on which rom to install on my fire 7 5th gen.
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The characterizations "better" and "faster" don't apply. Both are mature, feature complete offerings that perform similarly. Fire Nexus emulates the default UI on a legacy Nexus device which is close to pure AOSP. It's a great platform for Xposed Framework. Lineage has some usability tweaks baked in and generally suits those who like a little sugar on their cereal when it comes out of the box.
I've decided I'm gonna try to put the Nexus ROM on my rooted (Kingroot) 5th gen running 5.1.1 BUT am struggling with flashfire needs SuperSu or Magisk ( both of which don't work for me) and the twrp app doesn't have my Fire 7 in the compatible device list
I'm sat in Benidorm at the moment waiting for a big thunderstorm so this afternoon could be good opportunity to have a play
Any ideas will be greatly appreciated
Sam
madsam106 said:
I've decided I'm gonna try to put the Nexus ROM on my rooted (Kingroot) 5th gen running 5.1.1 BUT am struggling with flashfire needs SuperSu or Magisk ( both of which don't work for me) and the twrp app doesn't have my Fire 7 in the compatible device list
I'm sat in Benidorm at the moment waiting for a big thunderstorm so this afternoon could be good opportunity to have a play
Any ideas will be greatly appreciated
Sam
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Read last half dozen posts in these threads. You will need to invest time and likely some $$ to satisfy your objectives. Good luck.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/amazon-fire/help/installing-custom-rom-fireos-5-3-1-0-t3418541
https://forum.xda-developers.com/amazon-fire/help/flashing-roms-t3843485
Davey126 said:
Read last half dozen posts in these threads. You will need to invest time and likely some $$ to satisfy your objectives. Good luck.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/amazon-fire/help/installing-custom-rom-fireos-5-3-1-0-t3418541
https://forum.xda-developers.com/amazon-fire/help/flashing-roms-t3843485
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Graciàs Davey lad
Looking for input/opinions- thanks in advance!
I bought a Fire during one of the Christmastime sales a few years ago and never did anything with it. The box is still in shipping plastic.
I'd like to have an Android tablet for surfing and a few simple games (think sudoku, solitaire, word games).
I watch a lot of youtube videos, so being able to do that is a must.
Also, getting onto my google play account would be nice, hence the Android request.
Seems that Amazon has fallen out with Google of late and taken out much of the cross-connections from the Amazon interface. Is that right?
Not afraid of rooting things- been doing it since OG Droid days.
I'm not really sold on becoming a netizen of the Amazon fabric. I don't have any sort of Prime membership or use any of their services, outside of buying stuff.
I appreciate any and all responses!
phonetool said:
Looking for input/opinions- thanks in advance!
I bought a Fire during one of the Christmastime sales a few years ago and never did anything with it. The box is still in shipping plastic.
I'd like to have an Android tablet for surfing and a few simple games (think sudoku, solitaire, word games).
I watch a lot of youtube videos, so being able to do that is a must.
Also, getting onto my google play account would be nice, hence the Android request.
Seems that Amazon has fallen out with Google of late and taken out much of the cross-connections from the Amazon interface. Is that right?
Not afraid of rooting things- been doing it since OG Droid days.
I'm not really sold on becoming a netizen of the Amazon fabric. I don't have any sort of Prime membership or use any of their services, outside of buying stuff.
I appreciate any and all responses!
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Given your description there is a good chance the device has the original 5.x bootloader which means a custom lollipop based ROM (Fire Nexus or Lineage 12.1) can be easily installed and maintained. Both are stable and feature complete. There is no reason to boot FireOS...ever. Doing so may yield an unrootable device that can not be rooted or accommodate a custom ROM. Once FireOS has been banished the device has no affiliation with Amazon other than the name on the back.
Keep in mind the device is strictly entry level: 1 GB RAM, 8 GB User Storage (5 GB usable), 600x1024 low-res panel, etc. Almost any modern phone (and most burner varients) will run circles around a 5th gen Fire.
I'm happy to provide an outline of the steps required which are not lengthy/hard if you remain somewhat skilled in tethered operations and have familiarity with terms such as ADB, Fastboot, GApps, SuperSU and TWRP. You'll also need a suitable Windows host, be comfortable working with file systems and the Windows command prompt. That said, I prefer not to invest the time if the device will remain drawered or sold given its limited capabilities. A simple ask before responding.
Davey126 said:
Given your description there is a good chance the device has the original 5.x bootloader which means a custom lollipop based ROM (Fire Nexus or Lineage 12.1) can be easily installed and maintained. Both are stable and feature complete. There is no reason to boot FireOS...ever. Doing so may yield an unrootable device that can not be rooted or accommodate a custom ROM. Once FireOS has been banished the device has no affiliation with Amazon other than the name on the back.
Keep in mind the device is strictly entry level: 1 GB RAM, 8 GB User Storage (5 GB usable), 600x1024 low-res panel, etc. Almost any modern phone (and most burner varients) will run circles around a 5th gen Fire.
I'm happy to provide an outline of the steps required which are not lengthy/hard if you remain somewhat skilled in tethered operations and have familiarity with terms such as ADB, Fastboot, GApps, SuperSU and TWRP. You'll also need a suitable Windows host, be comfortable working with file systems and the Windows command prompt. That said, I prefer not to invest the time if the device will remain drawered or sold given its limited capabilities. A simple ask before responding.
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Thanks very much for the info and offer!
I would like to try to put one of those two on the device.
I'm away from home this week, so cannot attempt anything just yet.
My Windows machine is a Samsung UMPC running Win7, otherwise I have a Raspberry Pi that does daily work. It does have ADB, but I haven't used it successfully (couldn't figure out the proper command structure on linux).
I'll do some reading this week on what's needed for the effort.
Thanks again!