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The release is planned for October, but there are bound to be betas beforehand.
Normally with Ubuntu there are major new releases every six months(ish) and with being open source there is no risk of anyone spitting the dummy at libraries of ROMS.
http://www.ubuntu.com/news/ubuntu-for-mobile-internet-devices
For the benefit of those wondering WTF ubuntu is - its already been voted one of the top 100 products of 2007 in PC World. (Can products be free?)
http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,131935-page,13/article.html
It is also being offered now by Dell as an alternative to Vista...
http://direct2dell.com/one2one/archive/2007/05/01/13147.aspx
...prompted by Michael Dell using it on his home PC for years.
Well, if I'm not mistaken, the Mobile Internet Device referred by the news, are UMPCs (e.g. fully functional PCs). As such, porting the OS over is easy job, as compared to porting it over WinCe devices.
However, having said that, it is not all lost. With Intel on the market with Linux, chances are, probably there will be more applications written for Linux based OS and will then encourage the dev on Linux on WinCe (if you google, there is a Linux for Wizard project running already).
As far as I know there have been a few shots at linux for the wizard (et al), although the benefit of being ubuntu would be a far wider range of developers, the release structure they favour, and the finances to back it.
I still have a windows 98 boot (for some specific software than runs badly on any newer versions) and if you look at the spec of machines from then (I swapped the board, processor and memory from a Cyrix 166 with 32meg, to a pII 450 with 128 meg about late 1998), the older machines spec does not look particularly good compared to the wizards.
The xubuntu flavour of ubuntu is quite capable of extending the life of older hardware, by running more efficiently - and I have set up a few older machines I was given as scrap to play games for friends' children - to introduce them to 'proper computers' when it does not matter as much when they discover jacobs crackers fit in the floppy, or a CD rom cannot close with enough force to cut off action mans legs.
Anyway - returning to the plot - I would suspect xubuntu is currently not too far from working in a PDA - but the xubuntu project has far lower funding than ubuntu, but could be an excellent platform to adapt.
Well, as far as I know, Linux based systems do not 'really' run more efficiently. The primary reason that Linux OS is able to utilize older hardware is that it is lightweight. Thats like running DOS on older hardware.. it works well.
die, bill, DIE
hanmin said:
Well, as far as I know, Linux based systems do not 'really' run more efficiently. The primary reason that Linux OS is able to utilize older hardware is that it is lightweight. Thats like running DOS on older hardware.. it works well.
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Nah, its my experience that ALL windows OSs are resource hoggging pigs and linux isn't and it makes much better use of system resource than winblows
take a web server running apache under winnt, replace the os with a flavor of linux and the same machine running apache has more throughput than before.
and there are distros that run very well on just about any machine, put xp on a 200mhz pentium mmx and see if you have a useable machine, that same puter with linux will work great for the average joe blow who just, web browses, emails, does word processing/ doc. creation.
linux will put computing power in the hands of people who cant blow 1000$ every 2 years to get the latest greatest pc. I wont even go into the ridiculous amounts of cash micro$oft charges for new versions of the bug ridden code they pass off as a finished product, then release 4 service packs to band-aid it together.
thanks linus, you should get a nobel peace prize or some sh1t...
bhang
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Nah, its my experience that ALL windows OSs are resource hoggging pigs and linux isn't and it makes much better use of system resource than winblows
take a web server running apache under winnt, replace the os with a flavor of linux and the same machine running apache has more throughput than before.
and there are distros that run very well on just about any machine, put xp on a 200mhz pentium mmx and see if you have a useable machine, that same puter with linux will work great for the average joe blow who just, web browses, emails, does word processing/ doc. creation.
linux will put computing power in the hands of people who cant blow 1000$ every 2 years to get the latest greatest pc. I wont even go into the ridiculous amounts of cash micro$oft charges for new versions of the bug ridden code they pass off as a finished product, then release 4 service packs to band-aid it together.
thanks linus, you should get a nobel peace prize or some sh1t...
bhang
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Here's a good example of some everyday anti-Microsoft rhetoric.
Linux on a slow computer won't make it do anything more than it could do running a Microsoft product. Sure, a finely customized (read: limited) Linux system might use a little less memory, but a slow computer is a slow computer.
Back on topic, I'd look more towards the already-existing Linux projects for the Wizard being useful before any Ubuntu branded distributions would be available. The BlueAngel Linux project from a couple of years ago got pretty far, I wonder if the Wizard is really all that much tougher to get working.
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Here's a good example of some everyday anti-Microsoft rhetoric.
Linux on a slow computer won't make it do anything more than it could do running a Microsoft product. Sure, a finely customized (read: limited) Linux system might use a little less memory, but a slow computer is a slow computer.
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Yours will be a good example of a .. anti-old PC rhetoric?
I beg to differ. A PC's speed heavily depends on how many instructions it is running. The number of instructions run per second for any PCs is fixed, but having less unnecessary instructions to runs, yields a faster PC. Try running Vista with all fancy eye-candy enabled and browse the internet. Do the same with Windows 95. A slow PC is slow when you run something heavy on it, hence 'a slow computer is a slow computer' isn't true.
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Yours will be a good example of a .. anti-old PC rhetoric?
I beg to differ. A PC's speed heavily depends on how many instructions it is running. The number of instructions run per second for any PCs is fixed, but having less unnecessary instructions to runs, yields a faster PC. Try running Vista with all fancy eye-candy enabled and browse the internet. Do the same with Windows 95. A slow PC is slow when you run something heavy on it, hence 'a slow computer is a slow computer' isn't true.
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When Ubuntu for Mobile phones is in 20 years of development, then I will consider it, however for my everyday needs, WM6 has me covered. Thanks, but no thanks. This is just the beginning for Linux on a phone, it has a LONG way to go to keep up.
Not only that, you have to find someone WILLING to create the software for FREE and well, you get what you paid for.
If you are a C++ programmer, Linux on a Mobile Phone will be a welcome challenge, but there is no market for Linux on a phone YET. Only reason anyone one the market will choose to switch is due to a CHANGE from what's already out there. I do not feel it compares at all to WM6 yet.
Sure, you can run faster, once you remove all of the graphics, background processes, etc, but you can do that with WM6 too. That's what people are creating their own roms for.
Water down any OS and you will find that it runs really fast and really well.
I wonder if there will be Blackberry support? It might be interesting to toy with.
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When Ubuntu for Mobile phones is in 20 years of development, then I will consider it, however for my everyday needs, WM6 has me covered. Thanks, but no thanks. This is just the beginning for Linux on a phone, it has a LONG way to go to keep up.
Not only that, you have to find someone WILLING to create the software for FREE and well, you get what you paid for.
If you are a C++ programmer, Linux on a Mobile Phone will be a welcome challenge, but there is no market for Linux on a phone YET. Only reason anyone one the market will choose to switch is due to a CHANGE from what's already out there. I do not feel it compares at all to WM6 yet.
Sure, you can run faster, once you remove all of the graphics, background processes, etc, but you can do that with WM6 too. That's what people are creating their own roms for.
Water down any OS and you will find that it runs really fast and really well.
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So that's why Motorola already have, and Palm are developing linux mobile phones?
Linux on a mobile device is going to be here on mainstream handsets very soon, within the next 12 months guaranteed.
The reason?
Licensing costs.
If you develop an open source OS, and set of codecs to handle media, you don't have to pay so much to all the companies you traditionally hand money over to when you sell a phone.
People who buy a mobile phone rarely care if it can run Microsoft's pocket office apps, or RIM's office apps, or anyone elses, just as long as they can write that document, or email, and easily send it, or get it onto their PC.
People also don't care if it runs WM6, Symbian UIQ, S60, Linux, Palm, or Blackberry, they just care if it can do xyz functions, looks nice, and they can afford it.
We care, but we are not the majority of the market.
And lets be honest, out of all the mobile OS' out there, which is going to be the most hackable?
Linux on our HTC devices is always going to be a hobby more than a real alternative OS, since it's based on who wants what, and has the time to develop it. But on a commercially available device sold with it, it's already here, and more are on the way!
Linux is faster - especially non GNOME distros.
There is also Ubuntu light on the horizon.
I read this article which to me is a good summary...
http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=40532
...and to reiterate my aforementioned point in addition to the seeking of fees - who requested the removal of the rom library here? So greater control with open source to the savvy end user.
Additionally - many of us are running linux without even realising - as its often the OS running in your routers/wireless modems.
Finally - if Windows kit for PDAs/smart phones was any good - would there be a reason for a forum like this to improve upon it, or are we all just really pernickety people?
Ubuntu is a really amazing OS.
I have been running it for a while already, and I love it (except sometimes I screwed up, need to resetup).
U should all try it
Straight from the disk it saw and set up everything - including setting the two hyperthreading processors as 4 processors (I have the non server disk version too).
Only problem so far is its not happy with my Sandisk U3 Titanium.
Another point worth mentioning is the lightest/fastest/most secure browser is purportedly 'Dilo' which is written for Linux - but I have not tried it yet. (Although the security is based on the 'you cannot hijack it - if we dont support it' school of thought.)
Linux rocks, I have ubuntu running on one of my desktops and am seriously considering dual booting my other with Fedora KDE. It really did a lot to speed up my old compaq, and i am not running a "watered down" version, I have more aps and programs on this than i did on xp, and it still boots faster and i have yet to have a weekly crash like i did with xp. I really would like it on my wizard, but in the meantime i'm going to watch palm's develpment and look in that direction.
Linwizard
If you want to play a bit this works on my wizard. Still a long way to go but I can say I have linux on my wizard. And I don't have to change anything or lose my current setup. Just extract the folder to your SD and run the app. I haven't figured out how to exit the program with out a soft reset, but big deal. Also there is no touch screen support or shifted or symbol support for the keyboard.
http://sourceforge.net/projects/linwizard/
Cheers...
Hey guys, first off Happy New Year.
Out of curiosity, I want to try Linux for myself and see what the hype is all about.
On http://www.linux.com/download_linux there are tons of different versions. I'm not a developer, just a Linux-newbie looking to explore around to see what's up. I don't plan on replacing my current OS with it, just run it at the same time and play around with it.
So, which Linux distribution would be best for me? And can I use something like Vmware Player to boot it?
edit: Forgot to mention
Using a Dell Inspiron E1505 running Windows Vista Home Premium.
Anything else you need to know? Ask.
Ubuntu
good place to start IMO
good luck and have fun
and a happy new year to you in la la land
p.s...always use a live cd...this way your see if it works ok with your dell before installing
Ubuntu lets you install inside windows....and its so easy...my mom could install it
so you keep vista and have Ubuntu....then just choose which one you want to use on boot up
I used this site : http://www.zegeniestudios.net/ldc/
I need openSUSE 11.1, apparantly.
Ta
Dave
thanks for that dave
never seen that before
its told me
Fedora, Mandriva, OpenSuSE or Ubuntu....so i was right...well for me any how
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never seen that before
its told me
Fedora, Mandriva, OpenSuSE or Ubuntu....so i was right...well for me any how
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I wanted a new linux distro to throw on my old machine instead of smoothwall, so I just google "linux distro chooser" or something similar and found it
I've downloaded and burnt it to DVD, I just need time to set it up
Dave
vicjan88 said:
Hey guys, first off Happy New Year.
Out of curiosity, I want to try Linux for myself and see what the hype is all about.
On http://www.linux.com/download_linux there are tons of different versions. I'm not a developer, just a Linux-newbie looking to explore around to see what's up. I don't plan on replacing my current OS with it, just run it at the same time and play around with it.
So, which Linux distribution would be best for me? And can I use something like Vmware Player to boot it?
edit: Forgot to mention
Using a Dell Inspiron E1505 running Windows Vista Home Premium.
Anything else you need to know? Ask.
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UBUNTU is very popular an the community provides great support. Personally, I really like a distro that is a fork off of the UBUNTU distro called LINUX MINT. MINT is setup where many of the multimedia formats that don't work in UBUNTU by default because of licensing issues will work anyway. Decreases startup time.
Hello, vicjan88
Well, Ubuntu is nice, but actually teaches you to do things the windows-way. Yeah, it's so. It's a sort of a good place to start, but then you should move on to something more serious and.. less buggy. If you are just a small bit aware of what MBR is and have an idea of how to better partition your drives - i advise you to chose either fedora core or mandriva. They are a good place to start (my first distro was some old red hat,and it was nice). The thing about a distro for a beginner is that it should have good graphical or pseudo-graphical interface to configure everything - so that one can at least make his linux box feel working as good as windows. Experience comes from practice, so when you become quite familiar with your first distro, the rest will go just fine. Actually it is a good idea to start with Debian. But choose the testing version. Neither unstable, nor stable - they have certain problems. Or, ArchLinux. It is a nice distro, but the problem is that there is few software compiled for it, but the wiki and forums are just perfect. Anyhow, write back when you install some distro. Have fun!
coose Ubuntu, the newer editions lets you install "inside windows" its a feature called wubi
so you dont need any knowledge on partitioning or anything else
I think the best thing about linux is, it's not windows, it's different and, to a M$ fanboy like me, it's something new to learn. No point using Linux, if you're going to use it like Windows
@Ather, I've de-creased your post count.
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Dave
Ubuntu is very similar to XP in many ways and is a nice, intuitive way into Linux.
Kubuntu if you want it to look more like win.
NUU! Go with
openSUSE or Ubuntu Ultimate. I personally have the following OS's on my pc;
openSUSE
Ubuntu Ultimate
BackTrack
Win XP
Ubuntu is nice if you are starting out with Linux. You might even find another distro which you like more. I use Ubuntu as a virtual machine if I need it, and standalone on my older machine. I also like having BackTrack 3 on my USB flash drive if I need it.
Dave
ubuntu is great,. i have ever used it once,.
I've always been partial to openSUSE, but the recent release of 11 was somewhat dissapointing for me (perticularly with KDE4) as it seemed a bit half hearted. Ubuntu isn't bad and is certainatly popular and Kubuntu is good if you prefer KDE to GNOME (which I personally do)
I prefer KDE, thats's why I've decided to use openSUSE more.
I just installed new OS's yesterday
newest openSUSE
Ubuntu Ultimate Gamers Edition v2.0
Windows 7 Ultimate
Windows XP SP3
Pick Ubuntu. It's the most user-friendly version out there and that's the one I've always used. It works on all my computers from the old 300mhz P3 to the 1.6ghz dual-core laptop. There are also different versions of Ubuntu with different desktop environnements. Consider Kubuntu (KDE), Xubuntu (XFCE) and the rest.
If you want to put it on a laptop, be ready for a challenge. While everything will work out of the box for desktops, Wi-Fi hardware is a pain in the butt to set up. Once you're done with that, however, there's no going back, Linux is awesome!
let me see your opinion on the mac vs PC vs Linux war!
pc because many companies use them and i predict mac in the future for security. linux is more for advanced users so less popular but with android it may rise in popularity...
Like Airfaire says.
I use iMac (desktop computer) and dualboot Win7 and Ubuntu on my laptop.
What is this pc os.where can I download? I use windows I hear its the most popular. PC stands for personal computer it is not an os.
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I loved opensolaris. But that's pretty much dead now....
Freebsd is pretty nice
But I think Linux is the best os ever!
Windows.... go die
Triple boot: Mac, Win7 and Ubuntu 11.04 on pc
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Dual boot: Win7 and Ubuntu 10.10.
VmWare: MSDOS 6, Win1.1, Win95, WinXP, Mac OSX, and im trying to get the x86 port of Android going... I cant get it to work
My favourite? Ubuntu for sure.
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Not sure how do you measure populat by knowing which OS we use...
Daily: Windows 7 64-bit
Just for the geek cred: Linux, when I just need the browser.
microsoft own most of the os market share
Just get all of them!
Windows 7, Ubuntu 11?, Mac OS X, Android x86.
Mess around with them and use the one you find the best.
Windows is a best OS ever
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Windows is a best OS ever
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XP Pro more specifically. Vista Sucks.
Dualboot Windows XP and Windows 7.
Smartphone Android
I use everything on my lap top. Windows, ubuntu, android honeycomb, android 2.3
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I dual boot Win 7/Ubuntu. Never have been a big fan of macs.
Vista sucks.
Use Win7 32bit as my daily driver. I boot Knoppix DVD when I have time to try and improve my knowledge of Linux. Been using computers ever since the 8 bit days. Never used a Mac.
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Which do yall prefer? I would love to run Linux ubuntu on my laptop but windows runs so much faster. Any way to speed up ubuntu?
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I'm running fedora, but some of my devs are running ubuntu.. And 2 are on windows 7. Can't say that I've noticed a significant speed difference in any of the environments, and they're on the same hardware.
What in particular seems slow?
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How can linux be slower than windows?
It runs on far lower end systems but instead it suffers of incompatibility of some hardware and more bugs. I would reckon it's less secure too but because of it's unpopularity it is less attacked.
When a computer is old and slow I usually recommend installing ubuntu so that they can work with it.
Are you sure all drivers are installed correctly?
Ubuntu linux was always faster than windows 7 and xp for me. I'm using 10.10 if that matters.
I have to agree with you. I have a small HP netbook that runs fast as can be with Ubuntu. When it was running Windows I wanted to return it back to the store. That was the main reason for installing Ubuntu on it. I'm also running Ubuntu on a few desktops. Its a great OS.
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Ubuntu linux was always faster than windows 7 and xp for me. I'm using 10.10 if that matters.
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Windows. I hate Linux with every ounce of my being from being forced to use it in several classes.
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ubuntu can be installed within windows using wubi, why not have both? you don't even need to worry about repartition yours harddrive.
Windows is best
Linux is fun. But with an atypic distribution like Archlinux, sometimes, you lose so much time to repair....
For this reason, to work, I use Windows, to geek, Linux !
You should use both.
I run windows but I have Ubuntu on a flash drive. I find that Ubuntu is more fun to mess around with and is easier to get around website blocks at school. The only reason I still use Windows is because of gaming.
always windows.
windows 7 professionel atm
Linux for everything except gaming.
Well on my Desktop I'm currently running Windows. On my phone, I'm currently running a Linux Bootloader, so that's a tough choice (HTC HD2). I think you should stay with Windows, due to the fact that its more reliable on computers in most cases. It's highly preferable to use a customized Linux Bootloader on your phone though, if it's able to read one like the HTC HD2 .
Me and my girlfriend got four PCs
My desktop running win7 32bit
My netbook with Ubuntu 11.04 It came with Win7starter
Girlfriends Laptop win7sp1 64bit
Our HTPC in the livingroom Ubuntu 11.04.
Also having an unused WinXP license, that came with my desktop.
Linux is OK for those things there are software matching the Win7
Like Firefox, Thunderbird, VLC and some more.
Would have running any Linux distro on my desktop if there where a photo and video editing software that could hold it to the ones for Windows.
Linux do piss me off more than once in while.
1. That thing with administrator rights, why? One can always re-install!
2.Why it isn't just to download and double click install files to get the program installed in Linux?
3.There are more, but not worth mentioning.
Linux is the best
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Which do yall prefer? I would love to run Linux ubuntu on my laptop but windows runs so much faster. Any way to speed up ubuntu?
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Ubuntu actually clocks faster than windows 7. I think around 5 times faster in fact.
linux, ubuntu 11
I stick to Windows more often than not, partly because of the software I use (e.g. Adobe Lightroom) and partly because I generally find that Windows has a smoother and more responsive user interface on the same hardware.
I've found this on my netbook a couple of years ago (Ubuntu Netbook Remix and straight Ububtu vs Windows XP), my work PCs (Centos vs Windows XP, and the Centos machine has more RAM) and my home PC (Fedora 14 vs Windows XP/32 and Windows 7/64). The first couple of times I did this comparison I was surprised, but I've come to see it as normal these days.
I have grown up with Windows...but with time...my hate to it growed as well...currently I am running a Linux (Pinguy 64bit) version on my new Hp laptop...which is really a well customized version of Ubuntu...it is more stable...super fast...and elegant if compared with Windows 7 64bit...moreover...Pinguy is free compated to the almost $250 Windows...that eacg time you install an update...Windows gets slower...Also note it is not the.case with Pinguy...Keep in mind that Pinguy has all drivers bundelled with it...i needed not a single driver dowbload...even for my Scanner and Printer...All programs are totally free that you can get fro the Ubuntu Software Center bundelled with Pinguy...I advice you to give it a try...and I guarantee you will stick to it and have Windows in you history...Good luck everyone...and hope I helped a bit
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Hey Guys I wanted to know your Opinion about the future of the Operating Systems and especially Android.
I think in the near future Windows 8 will run on Smartphones, Tablets, Notebooks, PC's and TV's. Mac OS and iOS will merge into one OS for all devices as well.
Android 4.0 runs on all devices but there is no official support for x86 CPU's and there are no ARM desktop CPU's out, but I think Android is going to come to the PC as well.
What do you think? Will Android come to Desktop Computers and if you think it will, would you use it?
Also do you think it's better to stick to one OS for all devices?
Pretty sure they will try to do it but until now android didn't show us that they collaborate really well with the device producers.
This resulted in the fact that we have pretty good android devices that will receive the new operating system ICS after a lot of time.
We still have devices that have the capability of supporting gingerbeard but gingerbeard doesn't support them so the official updates are stuck to Froyo.
If they want to move to desktop pc's they will have to do some serious work about the drivers support and make them work as they should. (Point nvidia tegra 2)
I am very positive about the capabilities of Android. We seeing it lots of things recently...now that Intel is working with supporting Android I think de possibility of Android running no pc has greatly increased and the fact is when it comes to compatibilty Android is really flexible.
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Mobile phone's current normal storage size - 8 GB?
PC's current normal storage size - 1000 GB?
Wouldn't it be overkill for a phone and "underkill" for a PC to have the same OS on both?
Mhh tell that the Windows 8 developers, they are building the same OS for tablets and Computers.
But I see your point. My Windows folder takes up 25 GB of storage.
I wonder how they solved that problem.
Yeah... don't take me wrong, I would love to have an OS folder on my PC of 200 MB... I just don't really see it happening.
I'm guessing it should be something like Firefox and Internet Explorer... Firefox is really small and fast, because it has (arguably) one tenth of IE's capabilities. In order to have Firefox with as much functionalities as IE you need one hundred plug-ins... and then it's as big and slow as IE...
Ok, this is may be a very bad comparison, I don't want to start a flame war between FF and IE fans, I just wanted to make my point
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Hey Guys I wanted to know your Opinion about the future of the Operating Systems and especially Android.
I think in the near future Windows 8 will run on Smartphones, Tablets, Notebooks, PC's and TV's. Mac OS and iOS will merge into one OS for all devices as well.
Android 4.0 runs on all devices but there is no official support for x86 CPU's and there are no ARM desktop CPU's out, but I think Android is going to come to the PC as well.
What do you think? Will Android come to Desktop Computers and if you think it will, would you use it?
Also do you think it's better to stick to one OS for all devices?
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You cant be serious!!!!
Please take such discussions in the off topic lounge..