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Thinking about purchasing a Vivid, need your opinion

Hey guys, long time android owner (since the G1,) and my previous phone was the OG Atrix (may he rest in piece, part of the screen stopped working, I think I just fried it from too many flashes haha), I am thinking of getting a Vivid as my next phone, and I was wondering if there is anything I should know about it? How does Qualcomm's processor stack up to the Tegra 2? I am assuming the camera is better (Vivid has a higher megapixel camera), and how easy is the rootability of this phone and how is ROM development coming along?? I have heard that the battery is kind of on the bad side, but there are ways around that. Anyway, if you guys could pitch in your 2 cents I'd appreciate that!

Well...there isn't much Rom development to be honest...but what few devs are left are making incredible roms! So if your a flashaholic...might not be the device for you...but if you just like a good stable Rom then this phone might suit you
Rooting isn't to hard, it can be done with the vivid tool kit which is stickies in the dev section...it walks you through the process (unlock bootloader, flash recovery, flash root package or Rom), you also have the option to s-off or leave it s-on...if your s-off everything can be flashed from recovery...if your s-on everything except radios and kernels can be flashed through recovery...if your s on you have to flash kernels using a computer, command prompt and USB cable...(fastboot flash boot boot.img)
Battery is alright depending on Rom/kernel...on elegancia blitz with stockish kernel this is ky battery life:
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That's with brightness at auto and WiFi and data on all day
Calling it a day...with 30% left after 15 hours and 50 minutes...not bad
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i would spend the 100$ and get a One X vivid it great but bad battery life as seen above (if you want to go out at night buy an extra battery) im going to buy an extra battery because i have resorted to staying on ginger bread to maintain the 24 hours of battery that i need in a phone (ovbiously light usage) to put it in perspective 30 min of watching ted talks at full brightness drained my battery 40% today. (mind you on ginger bread the phone uses basically 0 battery when the screen is off) also 3g talk time is only like 5 hours so talking on the phone kills battery life

I actually came from an atrix as well. Battery hasn't been too big of an issue but its only been with light use but heavy tethering
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Right now, it would probably be better to fork out $80/$100 for the One X(ATM Amazon has it for $79.99). The Vivid isn't bad, but development is somewhat slow over here and the One X is technically a better phone with more active development. That's just my two cents, though.

altanimi said:
Right now, it would probably be better to fork out $80/$100 for the One X(ATM Amazon has it for $79.99). The Vivid isn't bad, but development is somewhat slow over here and the One X is technically a better phone with more active development. That's just my two cents, though.
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Unless, of course, you want a removable battery and a place to put an SD-Card. The One X doesn't have that (iPhone clone). The Vivid is a good, solid phone for my purposes. Battery life is OK, I get maybe a day and a half usually with light use. Comes with Gingerbread, but there is an Over-The-Air upgrade that should pop up almost as soon as you activate. The on-screen keyboard has swyping capability, I have been trying it out and like it just as much as official Swype.
Probably a good idea to browse this forum, lots of good information here.

I like mine but wouldn't have gotten it if I had to do it again. Sense 3.6 ruins the ics experience and battery life is in between bad and terrible. Developers are struggling with aosp roms due to ril issues imposed by att, and you nearly have to void your warranty to put custom roms on. It's a great phone if you just leave it on stock and can deal with Sense 3.6. It's fast and has an awesome camera, but you still have to deal with the battery life and htc never made an official extended battery which imo seems odd as they usually do. There are third party extended batteries but good luck finding a case. And finally, I think it's one and done when it comes to android updates.
If you want a good every day phone and can deal with the poor battery life than go for it. If you want a phone with good development keep looking as it's simply not a developers phone.
I don't regret the purchase and I still like it but I wouldn't do it again if that makes sense (no pun intended lol). Personally if you want a carrier phone and don't feel like paying big bucks for a GS3 or One X, or dealing with the BS that comes with either one, Get a regular Galaxy S2, otherwise buy a Galaxy Nexus. That's my personal reccomendation, others may disagree, but I was in the market for a GS2, non lte, when a friend of mine said LTE was worth it, so with the skyrocket being $200 at the time, I went for the Vivid. IMO LTE is just unnecessary, HSPA+ is plenty fast, and LTE drains the battery too much, and with a 2-3 gig cap, what's the point of 50mb/s download speed anyway?
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just wanted to chime in, as I was considering buying a Raider used. I too am coming from an Atrix 4G, and the wait for ICS with proper Tegra 2 drivers has been annoying.
Here's what I know. Almost all of HTC's 2010/2011 phones (Sensation, Desire HD and Incredible S) have been plagued with bad battery life. I can attest to that as I had the Desire HD and incredible S and no amount of ROM, radio and kernel flashing to get the battery life to be significantly better than what it was. I've considered the Sensation, but I've heard bad things about battery life too.
I can honestly say that the Atrix has considerably better life, partially because of it's bigger battery (1930 mAH) and that it has a smaller, lower quality screen. HTC's battery life did not hold a candle to it at all. Keep that in mind. You might need an extended battery or something to match the performance.

This phone has a ridiculously small battery for such a large phone with an lte modem. 1650mah...and no extended option which I don't get. Htc usually is pretty good about extended battery options but they forgot about the vivid
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I got Vivid and One X. Actually I don't like one X for some reasons:
-Internal Memory: 32GB, but you only have 1.7GB for Apps compare to 3.7GB Vivid.
-The Storage on One X about 24GB, but the copy speed is slow ~8-10MB/s. My Vivid with class 10 sdcard is about 14-18Mb/s
-The menu button on One X was replaced by the Recent apps button. For what, show off Sense 4.0 functions? There is a way to fix it, and AT&T is making a patch for this.
-One X has a bigger and nice screen but light weight, I dropped it about 4-5 times because of the weight. When I'm using Vivid, It feel solid and tough in my hand.
I would stick with Vivid for a long time , the design is very good unlike other HTC phones.

The Most Honest and Unbiased Review of the Nexus 4

I've had a chance to play around with the Nexus 4 for about a week now and I'm ready to give my full review on it.
Display:
The Nexus 4 has one of, if not the most, beautiful displays on any device I have every used. I know the word "retina" is thrown around a lot, but seriously this display is absolutely gorgeous, especially on full brightness. The viewing angles are the highest of any device i have ever used. Text is crisp on any app you use and I have still not seen any pixels. I have read that the One X's display is better, but since I have never used it, I cannot say if it is or not. But anyway, this screen is so bright and vivid and the colors really do pop. I wish the navigation bar buttons did not take up so much room or if the entire bezel was used for the screen, because, in my opinion, they take up too much space.
Design:
I believe this phone has the best design out of any phone in existence, The front is very flush and when the screen is off, you cannot even tell where it ends and where the screen begins. The rubber like band around the phone makes it very grippy and does not slip out of the hand. The back is absolutely gorgeous with the flush glass and the pixelated design really is beautiful. It is one of those things you have to see in person. Although there is a plastic banding in front of the rubber banding that is prone to nicks and scratches, like the T-Mobile Galaxy S II I had previously. There are reports of peoples phones getting very hot, the screen turning yellow, some rattlings from the camera housing, and some other problems with the hardware. This is expected for first round devices. My phones only problem is I too hear the rattling if I shake my phone, but I only hear it if I try to hear it. Another problem is the phone SLIDES OFF OF EVERYTHING. Seriously I bet my of the people that break this thing will be because it slid off of something. A case prevents this though.
Performance:
Stock Android 4.2 Jelly Bean has one of the smoothest UI's of any device. It even tops my iPad 3. There is absolutely no lag in the OS whatsoever. This is because "Project Butter." When you touch the screen, the CPU gets fired up and is ready to go instantly. You can see this if you go into SetCpu and watch how the amount of CPU speed increases the exact moment you tap the screen. All of the stock apps run perfectly. (Except theres no December in the Peoples app ) The app switcher is just amazing and fast. It is so much better than any other app switcher available and it is great to have a dedicated button for it. The Nexus 4 is great at running graphics and performance intensive games like dead trigger, cod zombies, shadow gun, mini motor racing etc. all of these games have no lag whatsoever, because of the 1.5ghz quad core processor and 2 gigs of ram this thing is packing. Also, Google Now is amazing and completely integrated into your life. You will fall in love with all of its features like weather, traffic updates, sports, flights, translations, appointments, and regular search. But all of this amazing performance and features come at a price...
Battery Life...
I wish I could say this 2100mAh battery keeps this thing alive all day but alas, it does not. If you are a heavy user, which I am guessing most XDA users are, it will not last you throughout the day. On low brightness, sync off, and location services off, I find myself having to fully charge it again before the day is over. Now if you are a moderate user, you will not experience this as much. But let me give you an example of what happened today: I was at a restaurant with family for Thanksgiving. I left the house at 5:50 PM with 95% battery. At dinner I used the phone for a little over an hour and a half just browsing the web like looking at laptops on tiger direct, reading gizmodo, endgadget, cracked, etc, and when I got home at around 8:30 I had 46% battery left. I s**t you not. So heavy users beware. I hate using cases, especially for a phone this beautiful, but I might have to find a battery case to get myself through the day.
Storage:
This phone not having an SD Card slot like most android phones is a real killer, especially because it only has 8gb and 16gb. I unfortunately got the 8gb. I knew I was not gonna get the full 8gb, on my iPod touch 8gb I had roughly 7gb of usable space, but on the Nexus 4 you get barely over 5gb of usable space, and that just sucks for most people. Using the cloud to save pictures and music does help, but you can not get as many high graphics games because of this low storage. Which sucks because the Nexus 4 is great when playing high performance games. Again, I would highly recommend getting the 16gb. It is only $50 more. Im most likely gonna sell my Nexus for as much as I can and pay the difference for the 16gb when more are in stock. Hopefully Google does what they did with the Nexus 7 and makes the 16gb the same price as the 8gb and makes a 32gb model.
Camera:
This phone has a great camera. When you are outside, it takes some of the best pictures for a phone. Even the front camera does. And little things like how you tap the screen to access the many camera settings and the new photospehre, you will just fall in love with them. All of my photosphere pictures stitched perfectly. This device is not very good in low light situations, though. This is helped with the devices on board flash though. You can also easily edit your photos through the stock gallery app, and there are plenty of editing options for all of you instagrammers out there. They are mostly all very nice and work well. There is one problem I did have with the camera though. The HDR setting did take better photos, but I could rarely get them to focus, even when I focused manually. Maybe a software problem? Hopefully this is fixed in future updates.
Mobile Stuff/Miscellaneous:
Call quality on this phone is great and I have not got any dropped calls or any complaints from people on the other end. Text messages and picture messages send quickly. The new keyboard with its swype like feature is very good and accurate. I get great speeds on HSPA+. I am in Chicago and can get 25mbps download and 5mbps upload, which is great. You can also get it to connect to LTE if your network uses band 4 for it, like T-Mobile's will later this year, which is great for us Nexus 4 users on T-Mobile. The voice to text is absolutely amazing and almost always gets what you say. I have used Siri and voice dictation on iOS and it just does not even compare. I love how it types what you say as you say it.
Conclusion :
The Nexus 4 right now, in my opinion, is the best android phone out there. And maybe the best phone overall. It is a great phone at a great starting price. This thing has an amazing screen and has no lag in whatever you are doing. Really the only thing that kills it is the storage. If this had a micro SD slot is would just be so much better than it already is. The camera is great when outdoors and when you have sufficient light, flash helps a lot in low light, and the many camera and gallery features are great. The battery life is sub par, but when you're at home or work, you can almost always give it a quick charge when you need it, but you can not just add more storage when you need it. (Except if you use OTG devices.) I would highly recommend this phone to anyone out there looking for a great device. It is not complicated at all and it very noob friendly.
If you have any questions or want me to add anything please just comment or PM me and I will try to help as much as I can! I will add more to this thread if I have more to say later on.

great review!

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great review!
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Thanks!

Yeah pretty good review. I find battery life to be very good on the N4 believe it or not. I reach almost 5 hours on screen time with 15 hours off charge. Thats with heavy use. My brightness is on auto, i browse the web switching from cellular to wifi depending on where im at, sync is off and i turn it on during the day to check my emails, stuff like that. Do a lot of tapatalk, few calls, lots of texting and little youtubing. I use it normally, not to fool myself and try to reach 2 days just to be satisfied. Oh yeah lol, since last night im using a custom kernel.

Great, unbiased review! This review made me want the Nexus 4 even more! Hopefully I can get one soon. :fingers-crossed:

barondebxl said:
Yeah pretty good review. I find battery life to be very good on the N4 believe it or not. I reach almost 5 hours on screen time with 15 hours off charge. Thats with heavy use. My brightness is on auto, i browse the web switching from cellular to wifi depending on where im at, sync is off and i turn it on during the day to check my emails, stuff like that. Do a lot of tapatalk, few calls, lots of texting and little youtubing. I use it normally, not to fool myself and try to reach 2 days just to be satisfied. Oh yeah lol, since last night im using a custom kernel.
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Please share with us the custom kernel you are using. Thx.
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Out with the family for thanksgiving for 2ish hours and using the phone for 1 and a half of those... The true spirit of thanksgiving!
Nice review though
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llustig said:
Please share with us the custom kernel you are using. Thx.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=34480134
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cyberkid2002 said:
Out with the family for thanksgiving for 2ish hours and using the phone for 1 and a half of those... The true spirit of thanksgiving!
Nice review though
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Yeah I knew that was gonna look bad but I had to say it. Anyway my family can be dull at times
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That's impressive :good:

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That's impressive :good:
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I saw you post it before which is great, but I cannot go through the day with service sync off. To me that just defeats the whole point of the phone. Perhaps with an incremental update battery life will get better. Seems maybe too much stuff is syncing in the background and is keeping the CPU from sleeping. 5 hours is good though... I'd like more but that's really all I need.

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That's impressive :good:
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And I was using it heavy, like there was no tomorrow
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Jayrod1980 said:
I saw you post it before which is great, but I cannot go through the day with service sync off. To me that just defeats the whole point of the phone. Perhaps with an incremental update battery life will get better. Seems maybe too much stuff is syncing in the background and is keeping the CPU from sleeping. 5 hours is good though... I'd like more but that's really all I need.
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I turn on sync every hour or so. Just don't need it on all the time unless I'm expecting an important email or something. But people should use their phones as they normally do, not just to reach a certain amount of screen time cause that's just ridiculous. So yeah, if you need sync on then just leave it on, personally I don't need it on all the time.
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Why isn't your phone awake when the screen is on? I can't really remember but I think that on every Android i've had, when the screen is on, the phone is Awake

Picked up my N4 today and have been getting to grips with it, initial impressions are. It's fast though have had slow down. Gets very hot during anything using GPS or when playing games. Camera is average and when using the flash images are washed out. It's a bit early to say much about the battery life but after 1hr38mins, its down to 73%. build quality seems good. I thought it would be a bigger leap up from my old phone but am a little disappointed currently. I will continue but if it doesn't impress further it will go back. Do love jelly bean!
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Why isn't your phone awake when the screen is on? I can't really remember but I think that on every Android i've had, when the screen is on, the phone is Awake
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Good question, I have no clue. I just checked my current stats as I'm writing this comment, I'm 9 hours off charge with 2h 15 min on screen time and no awake time
I checked my battery stats when I had the note 2 and the line is all blue when the screen is on. I don't know....
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you used your phone for an hour and a half at family thanksgiving dinner??

Nexus 5 initial impressions from an iPhone 5 user

Background: Ever since I switched from AT$T to T-Mobile last month, my iPhone 5's battery life has taken a huge nosedive for the worst, to where it can easily lose 1% every 2-3 minutes, Wi-Fi on or off, and even if airplane mode is on but Wi-Fi is on (Apple Store won't replace it since it's 60 days out of warranty, and a new battery honestly probably won't help since the capacity and other diagnostic readings are showing signs of a normal battery). Popping my AT$T SIM back in, I immediately get much better numbers. Either T-Mobile's network sucks the crap out of batteries, or the phone has yet to be optimized for the network. I'm thinking it's the latter, because I've used other T-Mobile phones, such as the LG Optimus L9, and battery life was really good. Since the Nexus 5 is a very affordable off-contract device, I decided to give it a try.
I understand that the battery life is itself questionable for the Nexus 5, but it supposedly gets better as time goes on.
My white 16GB Nexus 5 arrived yesterday (ordered it on the 6th when it said it'll ship between 3-4 weeks). Using a ghetto paper-based mold for my nano-SIM, it worked just fine in the N5's micro-SIM slot.
It took a number of hours to eventually get things the way I like it, but here's my current setup (the icon and folder setups are nearly identical to how I had them on my iPhone 5, and every third-party (App Store) app I had there was also available on Android, or at least a good alternative was available):
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Overall, I'm very happy with Android 4.4 and its general performance on the N5.
So, some complaints.
First, LTE. On my morning commute, I noticed it completely lost a signal (no bars, just an outline) three times in areas where my iPhone 5 would have at least 2 bars (dots) of LTE. I would at least expect it to drop to HSPA+, but it didn't do that... In the building I'm in, I always got at least 3 bars of LTE on my iPhone 5. My Nexus 5 can't seem to hook onto it, even after flicking airplane mode on and off a few times. It's instead connected to HSPA+ (fluctuating between that and 3G when idling, as expected). Yes, HSPA+ works, but I want LTE if I have access to it, which I do. EDIT: Changing the data network from LTE to 2G, then back to LTE brought LTE back. EDIT 2: Well, where I've been at for the past 10 minutes, I get a full signal of LTE. It randomly decided to drop to full HSPA+/3G.
I always also hoping that general compatibility with T-Mobile was better. The raw decibel signal readings do seem to be in my favor, but the LTE problems and prior signal drops are hopefully things that won't happen again.
Next, battery life. Yes, as mentioned, I know that it's supposed to get better. To be honest, my initial battery life numbers don't seem too bad. Here are some of my initial numbers (N5 came out of the box at around 80% battery, used it down to 5% before charging it all night):
At that screen on rate, I'd estimate about 5.75 hours of total screen on usage, and 9 hours of total standby. That's much better than some of my recent iPhone 5 numbers, and I hope that they can increase. Battery life is really the deciding factor if I keep the N5 and sell my iPhone 5 or not.
I've already gone through all of the battery saving tips (turning Wi-Fi auto search off, battery saving location mode, disabling OK Google, etc.). My usage isn't too heavy, but I do leave Wi-fi OFF (yes, off), get hundreds of texts, checking and replying to them, using Twitter (Tweetings), listening to music through headphones (PowerAmp), checking email automatically every 15 minutes via K9, dealing with those from time to time, and opening some pages with Chrome.
Next, the speaker. I was expecting it to be loud, louder than my iPhone 5, but it's noticeably quieter. I guess there's a hardware hack for it, but I'd rather avoid that, should I end up returning the thing. It sounds clear, and seems louder in certain apps than others (even if the volume is up all the way). Not sure if it needs to be broken in first.
I just noticed that music through headphones doesn't get very loud either, even with things turned up to their maximum values in PowerAmp.
I've yet to take a picture with the camera, and I heard it could be better (and probably will with a software update).
Speaking of software updates, I imagine Google could easily improve on almost all of these areas, including battery life?
One of my concerns was whether or not I can deal with the larger phone for one-handed operation. And really, I haven't had any complaints there.
Overall, I'm very satisfied with it. Just anxious to see what my battery life numbers will be as time goes on.

Battery life probably won't get drastically better. You just need to see what kills your battery the most. If there are things on in the background that your not using such as an app that would save battery life. But most likely is just the screen
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If you can live with Google Play Music for listening to your music, it should use less battery then poweramp by using the special kitkat dsp audio engine.
If you don't have stable LTE, it will really suck the life out of your battery. I just run HSPA+ most of the time and my battery life is ridiculous now.

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If you can live with Google Play Music for listening to your music, it should use less battery then poweramp by using the special kitkat dsp audio engine.
If you don't have stable LTE, it will really suck the life out of your battery. I just run HSPA+ most of the time and my battery life is ridiculous now.
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One big thing I really like is when songs crossfade between each other, which the Google Play Music app doesn't do. PowerAmp's equalizer and other audio adjustment settings are things I can't really go without anymore. Battery life when using it seems fine (for now).
LTE where I am is generally pretty stable. I'll do some tests with LTE off since that will probably help a bit (didn't matter on my iPhone 5, since the battery life would decrease at the same rate regardless of which type of data connection I'm on). Think a software or radio update would help?

You are complaining about nearly 6 hours of battery life?!!? If I get a Nexus 5 and get that much screen on just browsing, I'd freaking celebrate!
Let's not forget that you started at 80%!! EIGHTY PERCENT!!

darkgoon3r96 said:
You are complaining about nearly 6 hours of battery life?!!? If I get a Nexus 5 and get that much screen on just browsing, I'd freaking celebrate!
Let's not forget that you started at 80%!! EIGHTY PERCENT!!
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Well, my iPhone USED to get really good usage numbers under similar usage scenarios.

I've got to admit, I was expecting another "iPhone 5 is way better than Nexus 5" rant...
Kudos to you sir, I thought you made a pretty good review and fair comparison between the two.
I've been having similar issues on T-Mobile as of late, so I understand where you're coming from. The battery and network connectivity issues are most likely on their side.
As for software issues, the sound output being drastically different per app will likely be fixed in an OTA soon. The camera actually exceeded my expectations on a recent family outing to a Texans game last weekend, with HDR+ it takes amazing pictures! The autofocus could be faster, but I'm sure that'll be addressed in an OTA as well.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts bud, it's not often we get unbiased opinions here... It's refreshing to see a review by someone who isn't an iOS fanboy or Nexus apologist.
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besweeet said:
Well, my iPhone USED to get really good usage numbers under similar usage scenarios.
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Its not similar conditions with a 4" screen.
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Battery life is incredibly subjective and can vary wildly from user to user. Location, carrier, usage patterns, etc. are different for everyone so it's hard to definitively predict battery life on the N5.
My experience? My first week I was incredibly worried because battery life was significantly worse than my GS3. Granted, I was playing with it a lot and testing out different things, but I was averaging about 3 hours of screen time and scraping about 12 hours of total life. Pretty terrible for what I was used to. I will say that when I was testing out the Moves app, to test the movement tracker, this absolutely slaughtered my battery.
I lived with mediocre battery life for a few days, then when Franco came out with his kernel (I believe I started at r10) I flashed it and then started getting insane battery results. Each kernel update has gotten better (now on r14) and I'm finally happy and able to easily make it through a full day.
For the past week, I usually take my phone off the charger at 7am and it goes back on at 11pm with around 25-35% remaining. During this time my screen on time is between 3-4 hours. So that's 16 hours with a quarter of the battery remaining and a decent amount of screen time on. I'm very happy.

I'm assuming a custom kernel requires a root, which then requires everything to be wiped? I wish I knew that prior to getting everything setup. Probably won't get into any of that for a while.

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It's also not similar conditions when the iPhone 5 has only a 1,440 mAh battery, that's something like ~63% smaller than the Nexus 5's battery (which many of us already find to be disappointingly small compared to other Android flagships).
I'm a hardcore Android user, always have been since I owned an OG Droid and Nexus One, but I concede that whatever Apple does with iOS and their SoCs to squeeze so much screen on time out of the tiny little batteries in the iPhones is pretty impressive.

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I'm assuming a custom kernel requires a root, which then requires everything to be wiped? I wish I knew that prior to getting everything setup. Probably won't get into any of that for a while.
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A custom kernel doesn't technically need root, but it does need the bootloader to be unlocked which is what wipes the device.
You can try to backup with an app called "helium" which apparently backs up a fair bit.
I also saw a thread to unlock bootloader without wipe. I didn't read it though. Possibly in themea and apps subforum. Try a search of xda at the root if the n5 forum
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Could you tell us more about your experience on Android vs iOS? I had an iPhone 4S prior to switching to Android, and aside from the consistency of the UI and fluidity, there isn't much else that I miss. Oh, maybe the excellent color accuracy of the iPhones (especially whites, which aren't too blue). The biggest thing that I was glad about dumping was iTunes, followed by iOS restrictions on what you can and can't do.

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I'm assuming a custom kernel requires a root, which then requires everything to be wiped? I wish I knew that prior to getting everything setup. Probably won't get into any of that for a while.
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Rooting doesn't require a wipe, but unlocking your bootloader does. Step 1 when aquiring phone, unlock bootloader, optionally root if you want, then set up. Bootloader unlock is most important for custom kernel.

Did you try viper4android for general sound enhancement. Don't have mine n5 yet - but on other phones it is amazing.
You can find viper in the play store.
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It's also not similar conditions when the iPhone 5 has only a 1,440 mAh battery, that's something like ~63% smaller than the Nexus 5's battery (which many of us already find to be disappointingly small compared to other Android flagships).
I'm a hardcore Android user, always have been since I owned an OG Droid and Nexus One, but I concede that whatever Apple does with iOS and their SoCs to squeeze so much screen on time out of the tiny little batteries in the iPhones is pretty impressive.
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True. Completely different hardware and os makes any comparison pointless.
I actually think the N5 battery is great. Its bigger than my S3 my 200 mAh but it lasts much longer proportionally.
The best way to make the decision between the 2 is to see which is a better fit for "your" usage and habits, which you enjoy the most and whether the battery is "enough".
For me, an iPhone battery would last days,.but it doesn't suit me.
Best thing is to consider battery last. Let passion make the decision
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I actually think the N5 battery is great. Its bigger than my S3 my 200 mAh but it lasts much longer proportionally.
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I'm actually relieved and excited to hear that. I had an S3 for many months and it was the first smartphone I've ever owned that I felt had really good battery life.
I'm on a Galaxy Nexus on Verizon right now, which is notorious for having insanely abysmal battery life, and it was like a slap in the face compared to my S3, which easily lasted all day.
So I figure just about anything will be better than what I'm on now.

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Could you tell us more about your experience on Android vs iOS? I had an iPhone 4S prior to switching to Android, and aside from the consistency of the UI and fluidity, there isn't much else that I miss. Oh, maybe the excellent color accuracy of the iPhones (especially whites, which aren't too blue). The biggest thing that I was glad about dumping was iTunes, followed by iOS restrictions on what you can and can't do.
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While even Android 4.4 on the Nexus 5 could be smoother in terms of frame rate. I thought I'd get annoyed by it, but it doesn't bother me much. I kinda miss iTunes, keeping syncing things organized within one central program, but I rarely used it.
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I'll have to disagree there. They're both phones that can do similar things, and both have similar hardware features (although they obviously differ). When usage scenarios and network conditions are as close as possible, only then can the battery life really be compared. So, I think that it's appropriate in my particular case.

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I'm actually relieved and excited to hear that. I had an S3 for many months and it was the first smartphone I've ever owned that I felt had really good battery life.
I'm on a Galaxy Nexus on Verizon right now, which is notorious for having insanely abysmal battery life, and it was like a slap in the face compared to my S3, which easily lasted all day.
So I figure just about anything will be better than what I'm on now.
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My comparison is like for like here. My network doesn't yet offer lte and my s3 was not the lte version. Bear in mind my s3 was quad core 1.4Ghz so im not sure how my S3 compared to yours.
But my N5 I am doing 16 hour days (8 hrs low signal area) with 4.5 hrs+ screen on. I could get that on my s3 if I didn't leave the house but a normal day would be 3 hrs on s3.
I am undervolted by 50 and using greenify though
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I'll have to disagree there. They're both phones that can do similar things, and both have similar hardware features (although they obviously differ). When usage scenarios and network conditions are as close as possible, only then can the battery life really be compared. So, I think that it's appropriate in my particular case.
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Fair enough I respect your disagreement. Although for me I disagree that they do similar things too. On the face of it they do, but for the hardcore of us I don't feel that's true. Not to spark an iPhone / android debate here (so this will be my last word on ios) but I see ios more as a "feature phone" than a "smart phone".
If the iPhone does all you need and you can get better battery, its a no brainer. Its just the os work completely different. The n5 is much more powerful and bigger screened and the architecture is incomparable.
On the face of it they do the same "calls, emails, web and some apps" but the comparison stops there I feel. It depends how involved you wish to become.
As I say, go with your heart on which you prefer. Take battery into consideration but don't let it rule the decision. Go for what suits you, not what anyone else says
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So I've convinced myself to wipe & root later, backing up with Helium and the normal Google backup (for system settings and such). That should get me mostly setup the way I had pre-wipe, right? I should have some time this weekend to just start from scratch again, but would definitely like to avoid most of it if possible, which it seems like it is.

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After one week?
Well it's been 1 week now, and boy it's been great so far. Day 1 - set up. Day 2 - unlocked - rooted. Day 3 - wishing for s-off and Xposed. I kept my M8 as my phone while I was preparing my M9. Days 4 thru 7 - putting it through some strenuous testing.
I have almost 400 apps installed with many running in the background all the time. The M9 breezes through all of my apps with little hesitation. My M8 did well with all of my apps, but the M9 just seems to pop through them a split second faster.
I'm not a fan of benchmark tests; I believe they are flawed. You run a test, and then run one 5 mins later, and get 2 completely different results. Plus the tests seem to favor certain brands over others, as well as different architectures. I prefer real world testing. How a device performs using it daily in a real life enviroment.
That being said I did do some benchmark tests. My M9 performed incredibly well with both AnTuTu and Velamo. With Velamo the Metal score was 2302, Multicore 1981, and Chrome Browser 3516. All very good scores. With AnTuTu my score was 54728. Also very good, but these are subjective. I am fairly new to the Android phone modding world, but I have been building custom computers for 20 years. Android phones are just a computer, and as it is with all computers performance will vary depending on applications installed, and many other elements including environmental conditions.
Getting to the quality of the M9. HTC has created another masterpiece. In the tradition of the M7 and M8 the build quality is superb. it's easy to tell that you're holding a well built piece of equipment.
It looks and feels very much like the M8: however, with some nice subtle differences. The power button is now on the side, but it should have been placed above the volume buttons in my opinion.
Well that's all for now. I have to get some sleep, but I will try to update this in another week.

jbfountain said:
Well it's been 1 week now, and boy it's been great so far. Day 1 - set up. Day 2 - unlocked - rooted. Day 3 - wishing for s-off and Xposed. I kept my M8 as my phone while I was preparing my M9. Days 4 thru 7 - putting it through some strenuous testing.
I have almost 400 apps installed with many running in the background all the time. The M9 breezes through all of my apps with little hesitation. My M8 did well with all of my apps, but the M9 just seems to pop through them a split second faster.
I'm not a fan of benchmark tests; I believe they are flawed. You run a test, and then run one 5 mins later, and get 2 completely different results. Plus the tests seem to favor certain brands over others, as well as different architectures. I prefer real world testing. How a device performs using it daily in a real life enviroment.
That being said I did do some benchmark tests. My M9 performed incredibly well with both AnTuTu and Velamo. With Velamo the Metal score was 2302, Multicore 1981, and Chrome Browser 3516. All very good scores. With AnTuTu my score was 54728. Also very good, but these are subjective. I am fairly new to the Android phone modding world, but I have been building custom computers for 20 years. Android phones are just a computer, and as it is with all computers performance will vary depending on applications installed, and many other elements including environmental conditions.
Getting to the quality of the M9. HTC has created another masterpiece. In the tradition of the M7 and M8 the build quality is superb. it's easy to tell that you're holding a well built piece of equipment.
It looks and feels very much like the M8: however, with some nice subtle differences. The power button is now on the side, but it should have been placed above the volume buttons in my opinion.
Well that's all for now. I have to get some sleep, but I will try to update this in another week.
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whats your stats on battery life?

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whats your stats on battery life?
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I'm not sure how well it will be under normal use. It appears to be about the same as my M8 was while extreme power using. I'll know more about normal use battery life after I've calmed down a bit. Also I plan on tweaking the battery performance after I can figure out how to decompile the SystemUI apk. I'm getting about 8 hours the way I'm using it now.
Sent from Hal's HTC One M9

jbfountain said:
Also I plan on tweaking the battery performance after I can figure out how to decompile the SystemUI apk. I'm getting about 8 hours the way I'm using it now.
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Sad you have to tweak it though. HTC needs to optimize their battery out of the box. Why should we need to tweak it!
Note to HTC: It's a flagship people!

TonyStark said:
Sad you have to tweak it though. HTC needs to optimize their battery out of the box. Why should we need to tweak it!
Note to HTC: It's a flagship people!
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I agree, but I haven't found a high end smartphone yet that has the battery life that I want. Samsung, LG, Apple, HTC, none of them have performed well the way I use a phone.
Sent from Hal's HTC One M9

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I agree, but I haven't found a high end smartphone yet that has the battery life that I want. Samsung, LG, Apple, HTC, none of them have performed well the way I use a phone.
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Agreed, so put a 3200 or 3500 battery as LG has done:silly:

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Agreed, so put a 3200 or 3500 battery as LG has done:silly:
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That would be the way to solve the problem, but I'm sure that most people use their phones in a way that the batteries the manufacturers put in them are sufficient. Look at Samsung reducing the size of their flagships battery. I don't think they will try to accommodate us power users anytime soon.
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What the OEM's need to do is make their phones where we can add a larger battery like they used to.
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whats your stats on battery life?
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After one day (13 hrs) of using my M9 like a normal person would use a cell phone I have 40% battery left.
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Thanks Cam

Don't forget it can be push to 2k resolution with a dpi of 577 display.. This phone is is definitely a high tier or highest in the market.

SynDevOut said:
Don't forget it can be push to 2k resolution with a dpi of 577 display.. This phone is is definitely a high tier or highest in the market.
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The camera on this phone takes awesome pictures. I don't understand why so many people say it's not. Maybe they just don't know how to use such a fine camera.
Sent from this great HTC One M9 using XDA's mobile app.

jbfountain said:
The camera on this phone takes awesome pictures. I don't understand why so many people say it's not. Maybe they just don't know how to use such a fine camera.
Sent from this great HTC One M9 using XDA's mobile app.
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Problem is that if you have a bad launch then you stay in that area as far as the market is predicted.. The camera is superb now., But No one will give it a chance since the reviews of the m9 has past .

jbfountain said:
Well it's been 1 week now, and boy it's been great so far. Day 1 - set up. Day 2 - unlocked - rooted. Day 3 - wishing for s-off and Xposed.
sorry if I sound noob but I would like to know how did you unlock the bootloader?. I check htc dev website everyday but there has been no update at all.
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dxt6191 said:
jbfountain said:
Well it's been 1 week now, and boy it's been great so far. Day 1 - set up. Day 2 - unlocked - rooted. Day 3 - wishing for s-off and Xposed.
sorry if I sound noob but I would like to know how did you unlock the bootloader?. I check htc dev website everyday but there has been no update at all.
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There are many guides out there. I don't know why you couldn't find any, but here's a link to one. Follow everything closely. Make sure that you back up your phone via the HTC option in settings, because you will lose all of your data.
Good luck.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=3087354
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nice
its really cool device as like as before Htc device.

765g processor longevity

Does anyone have any thoughts about the long term use of this processor.
Just to explain my query better, I usually keep my phone's for at least 3 year's. I currently have the Huawei P20 PRo which has been a brilliant phone and still runs flawlessly.
I would like to go back to pixel, the pixel 5, because of the software and the simplicity and beauty of the photos.
A concern I have is the processor. Will it be as good in 2 to 3 year's? Obviously you can't guess at future of software and programs which may need greater processing power.
I don't have a technical background so this question may be a bit basic and not easy to answer.
But I would just be interested in anyone's thoughts on this.

My two cents, we've gotten to a point where phone processors are great and software isn't getting massively more intense. Of course it will be "slower" than newer "top end" cpus, but one of the things to highlight from the review here on xda was the app opening time benchmark and compare between the S20 and the P5. Note how the P5 crushes the S20. You can also compare to the OP8T. Yes, the OP8T is faster. But are you really going to notice the difference between 20ms and 10ms to open Chrome? I won't...
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I think the longevity of a phone nowadays is based on the battery life.
And the pixel 5 with this tremendous battery life has this well covered.
Some people will even put maybe 1 cycle every two days. So this also means that after 3 years. The battery should have much more health
(My pixel 2 has 70-75% health and my pixel 4 93% health. Both had similar battery life when they were brand new)
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My two cents, we've gotten to a point where phone processors are great and software isn't getting massively more intense. Of course it will be "slower" than newer "top end" cpus, but one of the things to highlight from the review here on xda was the app opening time benchmark and compare between the S20 and the P5. Note how the P5 crushes the S20. You can also compare to the OP8T. Yes, the OP8T is faster. But are you really going to notice the difference between 20ms and 10ms to open Chrome? I won't...
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Thanks, it's not an easy question to answer I know and I suspect I wouldn't notice the difference either

thesebastian said:
I think the longevity of a phone nowadays is based on the battery life.
And the pixel 5 with this tremendous battery life has this well covered.
Some people will even put maybe 1 cycle every two days. So this also means that after 3 years. The battery should have much more health
(My pixel 2 has 70-75% health and my pixel 4 93% health. Both had similar battery life when they were brand new)
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Perhaps longevity was not quite the right word to use , as I was really looking at the processor life and performance over time rather than the battery. I don't know what the battery health is like on my P20 but it's still lasting more than a day after 3 year's so hopefully the 5 will be as good if not better

i think it is hard to say and it really depends on how google maintains the software and optimizes it especially for this phone. If google has success with their own soc the pixel might look comparatively week in 1-3 pixel generations. Comparing the pixel 5 to other phones is hard because pricing differs so much around the world, but if you can get something like the onplus 8T for the same price? It's a hard sell to be honest.
I am still using my oneplus 3 which is still absolutely fine for day to day use. So you should be able to use the pixel until it won't get any updates anymore. Which is what i would say is the real limit of longevity on modern phones. The only reason i still enjoy my oneplus is that the community support is amazing and i already have a choice of multiple android 11 roms.
The oneplus only shows it's age when it comes to gaming and image processing times. So overall i wouldn't rely too much on a synthetic benchmark like the ones posted here because i don't think a few milliseconds in app opening times is ever going to be a problem. App opening is just something that is easy to compare but i think it's a more or less useless benchmark. So overall the pixel 5 should easily last a few years, it is a fine phone.
But if you are into gaming or just processing heavy tasks i don't think the Pixel is a great choice because other phones for the same price* just pack a bigger punch.
*depending on where in the world you are

Floge999 said:
i think it is hard to say and it really depends on how google maintains the software and optimizes it especially for this phone. If google has success with their own soc the pixel might look comparatively week in 1-3 pixel generations. Comparing the pixel 5 to other phones is hard because pricing differs so much around the world, but if you can get something like the onplus 8T for the same price? It's a hard sell to be honest.
I am still using my oneplus 3 which is still absolutely fine for day to day use. So you should be able to use the pixel until it won't get any updates anymore. Which is what i would say is the real limit of longevity on modern phones. The only reason i still enjoy my oneplus is that the community support is amazing and i already have a choice of multiple android 11 roms.
The oneplus only shows it's age when it comes to gaming and image processing times. So overall i wouldn't rely too much on a synthetic benchmark like the ones posted here because i don't think a few milliseconds in app opening times is ever going to be a problem. App opening is just something that is easy to compare but i think it's a more or less useless benchmark. So overall the pixel 5 should easily last a few years, it is a fine phone.
But if you are into gaming or just processing heavy tasks i don't think the Pixel is a great choice because other phones for the same price* just pack a bigger punch.
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Thanks for your reply, I don't do gaming or anything particularly heavy, watch videos and you tube, social media and emails, although I do have quite a few apps

Another example I have was my brother's Pixel 1.
The phone was as fast as day 1. The only issue he had was the battery life, after 4-5 years was destroyed.
He tried to replace it and he failed (broke the screen) otherwise he would be still enjoying Pixel 1 with a nice battery life and smooth performance
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nchesh said:
Does anyone have any thoughts about the long term use of this processor.
Just to explain my query better, I usually keep my phone's for at least 3 year's. I currently have the Huawei P20 PRo which has been a brilliant phone and still runs flawlessly.
I would like to go back to pixel, the pixel 5, because of the software and the simplicity and beauty of the photos.
A concern I have is the processor. Will it be as good in 2 to 3 year's? Obviously you can't guess at future of software and programs which may need greater processing power.
I don't have a technical background so this question may be a bit basic and not easy to answer.
But I would just be interested in anyone's thoughts on this.
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Plenty of people in the world still happily using phones with a SD 835 (and even older to be fair). My Nokia 8.1 uses the SD 710 and feels just as snappy as my Pixel 5 and that is 2 years old.

MrBelter said:
Plenty of people in the world still happily using phones with a SD 835 (and even older to be fair). My Nokia 8.1 uses the SD 710 and feels just as snappy as my Pixel 5 and that is 2 years old.
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I'm sure it is, I've always been one for going for the best processor I could afford, my Nexus 6p was a brilliant phone as is my present Huawei p20 pro, so it would a change for me to go for a so called lesser chip but the phone seems so good in all aspects, looking forward to it.

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Another example I have was my brother's Pixel 1.
The phone was as fast as day 1. The only issue he had was the battery life, after 4-5 years was destroyed.
He tried to replace it and he failed (broke the screen) otherwise he would be still enjoying Pixel 1 with a nice battery life and smooth performance
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My Nexus 6p was brilliant too

nchesh said:
I'm sure it is, I've always been one for going for the best processor I could afford, my Nexus 6p was a brilliant phone as is my present Huawei p20 pro, so it would a change for me to go for a so called lesser chip but the phone seems so good in all aspects, looking forward to it.
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It's not necessarily about the fastest chipset. Like computers it's more about the marriage of components. And I think Google have achieved this with the Pixel 5. I'm finding mine just as fast if not faster than my one year old Samsung S10e. The OS and SoC really work hand in hand on this phone.
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It's not necessarily about the fastest chipset. Like computers it's more about the marriage of components. And I think Google have achieved this with the Pixel 5. I'm finding mine just as fast if not faster than my one year old Samsung S10e. The OS and SoC really work hand in hand on this phone.
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Thanks, I've ordered mine today so will look forward to receiving it and seeing how well it does

Frankly I do not understand this fantasy with the fastest chipset. When we are buying pcs how many of us actually buy a core i9 processor with 32gb ram and the best dedicated graphics? I bet like me most will stick to an i3 or i5 and by stats those are the ones most people buy.
Same goes with phones. I believe in a few years people will realize this and simply go with the mid end processor line up which just like the core i5 is good enough for everything most of the people will need anyway.
1000 plus for a flagship mobile phone every two years is pretty ridiculous in my opinion. The user experience should factor in a lot more than just the specs!

no, the processor isn't going to slow down in a few years.
battery is the main killer with aged phones.
don't worry about the processor.