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Hi,
I just stuck here, cause I found a thread about fast usb charging. But there is no answers or solutions.
I have many htc devices. It seems that some of them has a problem with 3rd party usb chargers.
My most used device is Universal. It suck a lot of power. THis one doesn't enable usb charging at all, until you put it in sleep mode before pluging the charger.
Anyway, the same issue for Kaiser too.
The problem is, that it doesn't matter how much current is the charger able to deliver. They just use some kind of recognition of original chargers.
What I already measured: Original charger and universal running => takes 1200mA. 3rd party charger or my 5A PSU => Universal/Kaiser sucks just 500mA.
This is fast/slow charge. I found here discussion about 4 and 5 pins shorted??
But WTF which 4 & 5 pin?
http://www.tracyandmatt.co.uk/blogs/index.php/2006/09/10/htc_hermes_usb_connector_pin_config
According to this pinout. It would be 2 GND of Audio side? I'm not sure that original charger use extUSB audio side to charge...? It also could be D & A pins, but I'm afraid to connect 5V to Data- pin.
Anyway, someone here have to know it.
If not, in a few days I'll try all possible combinations and post the results.
Thanks
Shef
I'd also be interested to know about this. When I charge my TYTN II via USB, it takes much longer to charge than if I charge it via the mains charger (I prefer USB since I travel a lot and it's one less charger I need to carry around).
Better still, is it possible to buy a USB cable that will charge at the same rate as the mains charger rather than messing with a USB cable with the associated risks?
Best,
Gary.
Shef said:
Hi,
What I already measured: Original charger and universal running => takes 1200mA. 3rd party charger or my 5A PSU => Universal/Kaiser sucks just 500mA.
This is fast/slow charge. I found here discussion about 4 and 5 pins shorted??
But WTF which 4 & 5 pin?
http://www.tracyandmatt.co.uk/blogs/index.php/2006/09/10/htc_hermes_usb_connector_pin_config
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a usb port only supplies 500ma, while the wall charger does 1200ma as the OP has measured (although it says 1A at the back of the charger). changing a cable is not gonna superpower up your usb port.
unless maybe you get hold of a forked USB cable, like the one that Seagate Free Agent drives come supplied with... you know, 1 mini USB splitting halfway down to two normal USB plugs.
Worth experimenting with, do you think?
wyrm said:
unless maybe you get hold of a forked USB cable, like the one that Seagate Free Agent drives come supplied with... you know, 1 mini USB splitting halfway down to two normal USB plugs.
Worth experimenting with, do you think?
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good call.......with a little googling i came up with this
http://www.universaluk.com/acatalog...2_x_Type_A_to_mini_B__USB_2_0__1m__Lindy.html
tried ebay, my brief search came up with lots of unrelated results, so i gave up
I got one of those leads, came with my portable 2.5" hard drive. Just tried the lead on my Tytn 2 and it does charge almost as fast as the mains plug
Success
Ok, so, I tried to experiment.
Here you go.
Usb simple cable 480ma charge.
The same result with Motorola charger.
Motorola charger pins A and B short circuit - 890mA.
That's much better, althrough I suppose it can suck more current then 890mA, but it's significantly better.
THere is also pins data+ and data- short circuited (I don't know if it has effect, but I can't disconnect it in this connector).
Apparently NC (not connected) pin on our pinout schematics definitely is connected.
With % of charged battery it suck less and less current....I suppose it's usual, this should be even driven by ROM.
So, update your cables
It works even with car charger, so no more charger problems...
Shef
Just to be clear - you took a Motorola USB cable and shorted pins A and B (which are which by the way?) and it provides a decent current....
How do you short the pins? I've looked in the end of cable and I can hardly see the pins, let alone short them! What's the trick here or have I missed something?
Thanks,
Gary.
Shef said:
Ok, so, I tried to experiment.
Here you go.
Usb simple cable 480ma charge.
The same result with Motorola charger.
Motorola charger pins A and B short circuit - 890mA.
That's much better, althrough I suppose it can suck more current then 890mA, but it's significantly better.
THere is also pins data+ and data- short circuited (I don't know if it has effect, but I can't disconnect it in this connector).
Apparently NC (not connected) pin on our pinout schematics definitely is connected.
With % of charged battery it suck less and less current....I suppose it's usual, this should be even driven by ROM.
So, update your cables
It works even with car charger, so no more charger problems...
Shef
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Also interested in how to short the pins. I use Navizon, bluetooth HSDPA tethering, and iGuidance while on the ambulance and even my iGo 3A max rated charger can barely keep up because the tilt wont accept all of the available current.
So have anyone found a way to fast charge our ppc through usb??
Yes, that is correct. Short pins 4 & 5 (4 is normally NC) to enable fast-charging. If you do it correctly, the phone shouldn't pick up tethering, and therefore should not say "PC Connected" or the like..
The TracyAndMatt pinout is wrongly numbered. The pin assignments are correct, but the number/letter scheme they used is incorrect. True ExtUSB pinout translation to their pinout is as follows:
T & M Real ExtUSB
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Pins E D C B A = 1 2 3 4 5
Pins 1 2 3 4 5 6 = 6 7 8 9 10 11
The way I remember is that the corner opposite the angled one is where pin 1 starts (where E is on the T&M pinout) - and they go like most IEC-standard connectors, in a clock-like circular numbering scheme.
Here's a better pinout: http://pinouts.ru/PDA/htc_extUSB_pinout.shtml
Hope this helps!
--W5i2
its the milliamps that is the problem even doubling up with a y splitter does not do much Find a charger with the most milliamps for a faster charge 1.2 amps works best and as far as i know no usb port puts out that much even if they are wired in a series. Many try to sell lower amp chargers they dont even know about it at att. if the screen is off they will charge but not well these phones are energy hogs. I must have at least twenty chargers and messed around with them... the original or one of highest amperage works for me.
Check winhlp.com/node/855 for the answer.
htc_battery_trout.c said:
/* A9 reports USB charging when helf AC cable in and China AC charger. */
/* Work arround: notify userspace AC charging first,
and notify USB charging again when receiving usb connected notificaiton from usb driver. *
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I find this annoying. I can't tell if my wall charger is fast charging or not because the G1 always says "AC"
hgmichna said:
Check winhlp.com/node/855 for the answer.
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That is not going to help HTC owners.
HTC charging cable
kiss_se said:
That is not going to help HTC owners.
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http://winhlp.com/node/855 was explicitly written for HTC smartphone owners.
hgmichna said:
[...] was explicitly written for HTC smartphone owners.
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Sorry, I meant to say: That is not going to help extusb owners.
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Check winhlp.com/node/855 for the answer.
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Is it possible to get one of the 'fast charge' enabled USB cables on eBay or elsewhere? I am not keen on doing the mod described.
What is the maximum mAh recommended for HTC devices? Is it still 1.2 A or more?
zurpher said:
Is it possible to get one of the 'fast charge' enabled USB cables on eBay or elsewhere? I am not keen on doing the mod described.
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Check http://winhlp.com/node/855#qaes for the only buyable solution I know, besides compatible chargers. Your best bet is probably the original HTC charger, available for roughly $10.
zurpher said:
What is the maximum mAh recommended for HTC devices? Is it still 1.2 A or more?
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There can be no recommended maximum mAh. There can only be a required current, which differs from device to device. Check Ohm's Law. The device determines how much current it draws. If the charger cannot deliver that current, then the charging process can fail in various ways, all undesirable.
hgmichna said:
Check http://winhlp.com/node/855#qaes for the only buyable solution I know, besides compatible chargers. Your best bet is probably the original HTC charger, available for roughly $10.
There can be no recommended maximum mAh. There can only be a required current, which differs from device to device. Check Ohm's Law. The device determines how much current it draws. If the charger cannot deliver that current, then the charging process can fail in various ways, all undesirable.
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Could the USB Switching 2A Power Charger Adapter Convertor Plug be similar in function to the one that you've linked?
zurpher said:
Could the USB Switching 2A Power Charger Adapter Convertor Plug be similar in function to the one that you've linked?
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I don't know, but probably not. Apple used to use a different signalling scheme involving resistors.
Those who have their phone know the cable on the fast charger is 1 meter, which is not long enough to reach any table youd ever have a plug next to.
I tried two different type C -> Type C cables and neither would fast charge with the included wall wart.
Anyone find a longer cable that fast charges with our plugs? 2 meters would be great.
It's tough sledding hacking through all the different Amazon.com listings to get something with an actual USB 3.1 and 3A rating for a 2m cable. The ones I;ve seen are either out of stock, take forever to come from China or overpriced in the $25-30 range. Would love to hear from anyone that actually found one too.
I bought a type C to A from amazon for the computer and it charges rapidly on all my wall chargers down to 2.4 amp.
Monoprice was out, otherwise I would have ordered there. >>> http://www.monoprice.com/product?p_id=13010
this is what I'm using, fast charges and mounts no problem.
http://tinyurl.com/oyahw4h amazon link
I would bet this will work. same brand as what I have, they have a real thick jacket on them. It's a good cord.
http://tinyurl.com/oyahw4h amazon link
edit, I just read the description on amazon for those cords
....Note for Nexus 5X/6P: In order to ensure FAST CHARGING, please ensure the charger can output 5V/3A. The cable can afford 3A current did not mean it can provide 3A. We recommend use Google official USB Type C charger with our USB C to C cable...
That monoprice page is goofy.. title lists it as USB 2.0 and then the description goes on to talk about USB 3.1
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That monoprice page is goofy.. title lists it as USB 2.0 and then the description goes on to talk about USB 3.1
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Monoprice 2.0 six foot c to c cable charges just as fast as the 3 foot cable that came with the phone. High quality stuff. The phone doesn't support higher than 2.0 anyway.
br125 said:
Monoprice 2.0 six foot c to c cable charges just as fast as the 3 foot cable that came with the phone. High quality stuff. The phone doesn't support higher than 2.0 anyway.
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USB 2.0 refers to the data transmission standard and really nothing to do with charging amps. Although, to be USB 3.1 compliant, I think the cable needs to be fairly stout to handle the increased loads in both data speed and charging power. My guess is this cable is in fact 3.1, but someone made a mistake updating the title.
minnemike said:
USB 2.0 refers to the data transmission standard and really nothing to do with charging amps. Although, to be USB 3.1 compliant, I think the cable needs to be fairly stout to handle the increased loads in both data speed and charging power. My guess is this cable is in fact 3.1, but someone made a mistake updating the title.
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I understand that. Monoprice's 2.0 c to c cable supports up to 3A. No point in spending almost double the price on the 3.1 cable..
br125 said:
I understand that. Monoprice's 2.0 c to c cable supports up to 3A. No point in spending almost double the price on the 3.1 cable..
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What I am saying is that it is hard to even trust the 3A rating with the conflicting statements on 2.0 vs 3.1. Do you have the cable and have tested it? That would be different.
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What I am saying is that it is hard to even trust the 3A rating with the conflicting statements on 2.0 vs 3.1. Do you have the cable and have tested it? That would be different.
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Yes I do have the cable. Monoprice has that 3.1 description on all of their type c cables for some reason. The 2.0 3a cable works just fine.. I just went from 49% to 82% from when I went outside to winterize my boat and when I just went back in to check my phone, not sure how long that was, but a pretty short period of time. I usually put it on the charger when I turn on the TV at night and take it off when it hits 100% before I do to sleep.
I ordered this USB A to C one, http://.ebay.com/itm/261840366171 . The phone says Charging Rapidly. I have not done any data transfer with the computer, but upon plugging it in, the computer detected it ok. It ships from the US, but took a little while with standard shipping. Maybe almost a week;
just got some usb-c to usb-a 3.1 cables from techmatte this coupled with my Insignia 5v 2.4a charger from best buy are giving me a "rapidly charging" icon on lock screen
here is the cable http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01706YAXY
here is the charger http://www.bestbuy.com/site/insignia-usb-wall-charger-black/5689167.p?id=1219148349763&skuId=5689167
EDIT I am using a 5ft cable
OnePlus
Do0zman said:
just got some usb-c to usb-a 3.1 cables from techmatte this coupled with my Insignia 5v 2.4a charger from best buy are giving me a "rapidly charging" icon on lock screen
here is the cable http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01706YAXY
here is the charger http://www.bestbuy.com/site/insignia-usb-wall-charger-black/5689167.p?id=1219148349763&skuId=5689167
EDIT I am using a 5ft cable
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It might say rapidly charging but I doubt it's as fast as the stock charger. I've used a USB-A to type C cable, got rapidly charging, but it was only max 1800 mAh as opposed to the 2800+ with the stock one.
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You're right but its still faster than not rapidly charging
Do0zman said:
You're right but its still faster than not rapidly charging
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Not really. That's not even faster than a regular phone that on a 2.0A charger.
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EeZeEpEe said:
Not really. That's not even faster than a regular phone that on a 2.0A charger.
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I dunno about that. I have used a couple 2A Samsung USB chargers with type a to c cable and my phone charges almost as quickly as the stock charger at least in regards of empty to full. I think the difference between the stock and alternate high amp chargers that are around 2A is how quickly it can do a partial quick charge from say 0 to 50% but from 0 to 100% I haven't noticed much of a difference.
I am using this:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00L2I0F4U
and this:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B013DAES3S
EeZeEpEe said:
It might say rapidly charging but I doubt it's as fast as the stock charger. I've used a USB-A to type C cable, got rapidly charging, but it was only max 1800 mAh as opposed to the 2800+ with the stock one.
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I got one of his cables to review... I got it to charge 2.2A + using a 2.4A charger. But I do think you are correct in that there probably isnt a 3A option with anything using USB TYPE-A. 3A seems to be the realm of pure USB TYPE-C.
I purchased this cable and it charges at the same rate as the short OEM cable supplied with the 5x.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00WAKLAD4?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o04_s00
caseyweed said:
I purchased this cable and it charges at the same rate as the short OEM cable supplied with the 5x.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00WAKLAD4?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o04_s00
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Thanks but unfortunately i got it and it didnt work, it just says charging with the stock charger. That sucks because otherwise its a great length and a really nice cable, guess I will have to return it.
ryan stewart said:
Thanks but unfortunately i got it and it didnt work, it just says charging with the stock charger. That sucks because otherwise its a great length and a really nice cable, guess I will have to return it.
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That's really odd. Mine registered fast charging immediately. I tested with Ampere multiple times and received the exact same reading with both cables.
I wanted to start a thread directly related to cables that are confirmed "charging rapidly." There are a handful of posts around here that talk about usb A to C but I had a hard time finding cables that actually brought the message up on my phone. Lastly before I start the list I wanted to mention that I understand the Nexus 5X I usb 2.0 only but just due to a future proofing mentality I prefer 3.0 cables.
I will update this thread accordingly as more people post results of cables that do support fast charging. During the testing make sure you are using a charger that supports high amperage output. I am using the following charger that supports 3.0 amp output per port.
Cables Confirmed Charging Rapidly
USB Type C To USB Type A Cable, TechMatte® USB 3.0 (USB 3.1 Gen 1) Type C (USB-C) Charging Data Sync Cable - Does not follow usb spec. [edit] as of 11/18 customers that have purchased this cable can request a new-to-spec cable from Techmatte and they will ship a new one. I will review the new unit when it comes in.
PECHAM B32 USB 3.1 Type C Male to Type A USB 3.0 Male Cable - usb spec. unconfirmed
Google - USB Type-C to USB Standard-A Plug Cable - Does follow usb spec. (only usb 2.0)
USB Type C Cable, CHOETECH 3.3ft - Does not follow usb spec. (only usb 2.0)
Cables Confirmed Not Charging Rapidly
BuyCheapCables® 6Ft. USB 3.1 Type-C Male to Standard Type-A Male - usb spec. unconfirmed
Juiced Systems USB-C (USB Type-C) to USB 3.0 - Does not follow usb spec.
USB 3.1 Type C Cable, JOTO USB-C 3.1 Type-C Male to Standard USB 3.0 Type A Male Charging Cable - Does not follow usb spec.
Type C, iOrange-E™ 6.6 Ft (2M) Braided Cable with Reversible Connector - Does follow usb spec. (only usb 2.0)
OnePlus Type-C Cable - Does not follow usb spec. (only usb 2.0)
Hi, I read a lot of fast charging cables...but did not noticed those..where is the techmatte confirmed? Tnx
fosser2 said:
I wanted to start a thread directly related to cables that are confirmed "charging rapidly." There are a handful of posts around here that talk about usb A to C but I had a hard time finding cables that actually brought the message up on my phone. Lastly before I start the list I wanted to mention that I understand the Nexus 5X I usb 2.0 only but just due to a future proofing mentality I prefer 3.0 cables.
I will update this thread accordingly as more people post results of cables that do support fast charging. During the testing make sure you are using a charger that supports high amperage output. I am using the following charger that supports 3.0 amp output per port.
Cables Confirmed Charging Rapidly
USB Type C To USB Type A Cable, TechMatte® USB 3.0 (USB 3.1 Gen 1) Type C (USB-C) Charging Data Sync Cable
Cables Confirmed Not Charging Rapidly
BuyCheapCables® 6Ft. USB 3.1 Type-C Male to Standard Type-A Male
Juiced Systems USB-C (USB Type-C) to USB 3.0
USB 3.1 Type C Cable, JOTO USB-C 3.1 Type-C Male to Standard USB 3.0 Type A Male Charging Cable
Type C, iOrange-E™ 6.6 Ft (2M) Braided Cable with Reversible Connector
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But beware some of those "fast charging USB A to C cable are not to spec according to Google engineer
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roxtedy169 said:
Hi, I read a lot of fast charging cables...but did not noticed those..where is the techmatte confirmed? Tnx
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I can confirm the techmatte cable is showing fast charging. I cannot confirm if the cable is actually to spec.
GreenDroidX said:
But beware some of those "fast charging USB A to C cable are not to spec according to Google engineer
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I totally understand. I have been reading all of the reviews that he has been posting. I will update the OP with approved cables later today if possible.
FWIW, the Juiced Systems cable shows 'Charging Rapidly' for me...
FWIW, https://store.google.com/product/usb_type_c_to_usb_standard_a_plug_cable is back in stock.
iOrange-E cable shows rapid charge for me. Cost of cable has gone way up though though since I picked up mine. Probably not worth it.
I really hope this thread continues and gets more updates
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FWIW, the Juiced Systems cable shows 'Charging Rapidly' for me...
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Could you link the cord that you bought? If it is the same one that is in the OP please link the charger you are using.
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FWIW, https://store.google.com/product/usb_type_c_to_usb_standard_a_plug_cable is back in stock.
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Thank you, I have ordered this cable. I will review when it comes in.
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iOrange-E cable shows rapid charge for me. Cost of cable has gone way up though though since I picked up mine. Probably not worth it.
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Interesting... I know for sure this cable did not show rapid charging on (2) Nexus 5X's that I tried it on. I was using a 3A charger. Are you sure it is the same one that is posted in the OP?
Tank87 said:
I really hope this thread continues and gets more updates
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I will do my best to keep it updated.
Here is the link to the Juiced cable I bought:
Juiced Systems USB-C
The charger is an iClever charger, don't have any details on it...
I have a Pecham branded A to C cable bought from Amazon for £6.59 so approx $10. Its well made, braided with metal housings for the connectors. Charging with this one shows Charging rapidly on the lockscreen.
I also have an A to C cable direct from the Google store £10 ($15) Also good quality but slimmer and much more flexible than the Pecham.
I only see Charging on the lockscreen using this one.
Despite the differences the Ampere app indicates a charge rate of Approx 1700mAH for both cables!
For these tests I used an Anker Powercore 20100 battery pack and an Anker 40W 5 port mains charger. charge rates were identical.
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Here is the link to the Juiced cable I bought:
Juiced Systems USB-C
The charger is an iClever charger, don't have any details on it...
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It is interesting that you were able to get this cable to register as charging rapidly. It is the exact same cable that I bought and returned and with a 3A charger it did not register as charging rapidly on my phone. For right now I will leave this cable in the category that it is in until further confirmation. I wonder if it is a charger specific thing?
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I have a Pecham branded A to C cable bought from Amazon for £6.59 so approx $10. Its well made, braided with metal housings for the connectors. Charging with this one shows Charging rapidly on the lockscreen.
I also have an A to C cable direct from the Google store £10 ($15) Also good quality but slimmer and much more flexible than the Pecham.
I only see Charging on the lockscreen using this one.
Despite the differences the Ampere app indicates a charge rate of Approx 1700mAH for both cables!
For these tests I used an Anker Powercore 20100 battery pack and an Anker 40W 5 port mains charger. charge rates were identical.
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I have added the Pecham cable to the OP. Thanks for the confirmation. I am getting the Google OEM cable A - C tomorrow. I will see if I can reproduce the results that you got with the OEM cable.
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Interesting... I know for sure this cable did not show rapid charging on (2) Nexus 5X's that I tried it on. I was using a 3A charger. Are you sure it is the same one that is posted in the OP?
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Cable:
iOrange-E 6.6ft cable
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B010VFFU1W
Charger I am using:
Anker 3 port 6 amp
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00T9D7RSM
My 5X shows "Charging rapidly" on the lock screen right now. It does not show that every time I plug it in -- but then again, neither does the stock charger.
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Cable:
iOrange-E 6.6ft cable
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B010VFFU1W
Charger I am using:
Anker 3 port 6 amp
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00T9D7RSM
My 5X shows "Charging rapidly" on the lock screen right now. It does not show that every time I plug it in -- but then again, neither does the stock charger.
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Up until tonight I didn't realize that charging rapidly does not show every time. I will dig into this further this week. I will also be adding the official OEM A to C cable from Google to the list.
I'm confused, I thought USB A to C can only suppose 2.4A max
You're using a charging brick that uses 3A output, does that mean .6A does not get used?
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Ironically "fast charging cables" are just out-of-specification cables, so if you want them just pay $1 for cables on eBay.
sturmeh said:
Ironically "fast charging cables" are just out-of-specification cables, so if you want them just pay $1 for cables on eBay.
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The OEM Google cable display's fast charging and that is not out of spec. Really the purpose of this thread is to find cables that are actually following the USB spec and allowing the message "charging rapidly" to display on your phone. I understand that the max a cable that is to spec. will put out is 2.4A.
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The OEM Google cable display's fast charging and that is not out of spec. Really the purpose of this thread is to find cables that are actually following the USB spec and allowing the message "charging rapidly" to display on your phone. I understand that the max a cable that is to spec. will put out is 2.4A.
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The OEM Google cable (USB-A to USB-C) does not fast charge when you plug it into a non-fast charging compatible source (such as a PC's USB ports).
Any USB-C cable should be capable of fast charging when plugged into an adapter rated for 3A current draw.
Cables that are not to spec will allow the phone to "charge rapidly" when it should not be charging rapidly.
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The OEM Google cable display's fast charging and that is not out of spec. Really the purpose of this thread is to find cables that are actually following the USB spec and allowing the message "charging rapidly" to display on your phone. I understand that the max a cable that is to spec. will put out is 2.4A.
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It displays fast charging because C -> C allows for more amps to be drawn
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It displays fast charging because C -> C allows for more amps to be drawn
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I agree with that, but there are certain cables that still follow the A -> C spec and allow "charging rapidly" when paired with the proper charger. I know they won't be capable of the full 2.8A - 3.0A but they can allow a max of 2.4A, and that's something that is ok with me.
Hello,
So I just ordered a Nexus 5X. I am trying to figure out what the deal is with the issues with some USB C cable and what is the best option for aftermarket chargers.
Correct me if I am wrong, but it seems USB A to USB C cables are 2.4A max. USB C to USB C are 3A max. So the way to obtain the fastest charging possible is to have a 3A wall plug and a 3A capable USB C to USB C cable?
I am content with the OEM charger for the house, so I am mainly trying to figure out what to get for a charger for my car. Should I be looking for a 3 Amp car plug and a 3 Amp cable? Or am I looking for 2.4A / 2.4A? I am totally confused.
Also, I read somewhere that the Nexus 5X has a chip on the logic board that makes it fully compatible for Qualcomm Quickcharge 3.0, and that it may be available later on through an update. Anyone heard this? If so I may as well get Quickcharge 3.0 products.
If someone could please explain this whole USB C ordeal I would greatly appreciate it. Thank You!
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I figured it all out. I ended up order the following:
Cable Matters 3.3ft USB to USB C Cable ( This will be my data / sync cable)
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00S8GU2OC?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=od_aui_detailpages00
Cable Matters 3.3ft USB C to USB C Cable ( This will be for my car)
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00WAKL4TY?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=od_aui_detailpages00
Vinsic 3A USB C Car Charger (This has a USB C and a USB Port)
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B014F2NQ36?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=od_aui_detailpages00
The Cable Matters USB to USB C has been confirmed compliant by Benson Leung so I wont have to worry about it frying any USB ports on my computer. lol
Rektifying said:
Hello,
So I just ordered a Nexus 5X. I am trying to figure out what the deal is with the issues with some USB C cable and what is the best option for aftermarket chargers.
Correct me if I am wrong, but it seems USB A to USB C cables are 2.4A max. USB C to USB C are 3A max. So the way to obtain the fastest charging possible is to have a 3A wall plug and a 3A capable USB C to USB C cable?
I am content with the OEM charger for the house, so I am mainly trying to figure out what to get for a charger for my car. Should I be looking for a 3 Amp car plug and a 3 Amp cable? Or am I looking for 2.4A / 2.4A? I am totally confused.
Also, I read somewhere that the Nexus 5X has a chip on the logic board that makes it fully compatible for Qualcomm Quickcharge 3.0, and that it may be available later on through an update. Anyone heard this? If so I may as well get Quickcharge 3.0 products.
If someone could please explain this whole USB C ordeal I would greatly appreciate it. Thank You!
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Sounds like you got the info just right. What's important about A to C is the resistor used and that it meets specifications. If not it'll be asking a charger for 3.0A when it can't give it possibly leading to burning out the charger. For me, I got the Elegiant A to C cables (which are compliant) for older ports since C isn't as readily available. Good for old car chargers, old wall chargers, hotel rooms, shopping center charging stations, etc. C to C is necessary for full rapid charging so I'm waiting for a car charger and compact battery bank that support 3.0A type C.
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Interested in your point about QC 3.0 being future ready. Where did you read that? Link?
Here is a good list of compliant cables, I wish I saw this before I ordered my cable.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet...1V4-eP_sfNVNzbA/htmlview?usp=sharing&sle=true
EeZeEpEe said:
Sounds like you got the info just right. What's important about A to C is the resistor used and that it meets specifications. If not it'll be asking a charger for 3.0A when it can't give it possibly leading to bring out the charger. For me, I got the Elegiant A to C cables (which are compliant) for older ports since C isn't as readily available. Good for old car chargers, old wall chargers, hotel rooms, shopping center charging stations, etc. C to C is necessary for full rapid charging so I'm waiting for a car charger and compact battery bank that support 3.0A type C.
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Thank you for clarifying. I thought I had it right I just wanted to make sure.
Also, I came across a 3A car charger. I already ordered it. There were a couple reviews that stated it wouldn't run at 3A, but there were also reviews stating that it does run on 3A IF you use the USB C port only. (It has a USB and a USB C Port) So I am assuming the people who had issues were probably using the USB side.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B014F2NQ36?redirect=true&ref_=ya_st_dp_summary
gleggie said:
Here is a good list of compliant cables, I wish I saw this before I ordered my cable.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet...1V4-eP_sfNVNzbA/htmlview?usp=sharing&sle=true
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Thank you for the link! Everything I just ordered is on that list as approved! lol
minnemike said:
Interested in your point about QC 3.0 being future ready. Where did you read that? Link?
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I'm trying to hunt down the article where I read it. I will update when I find it. (with a new post)
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Interested in your point about QC 3.0 being future ready. Where did you read that? Link?
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I can't find the article I read that stated QC 3.0 (I think they were wrong anyways), but I did hop over to the iFixit Nexus 5X tear down page. I remembered that they always list the IC's on logic boards for their tear downs. Sure enough, the Nexus 5X has the Qualcomm SMB1358 Quick Charge 2.0 IC.
https://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/Nexus+5X+Teardown/51318
The 3 foot cable was confirmed working on the op3 forum, I have not tried that one but I have personally bought and tested the 6 foot and can confirm that it supports dash charging. At 6 bucks this is a very inexpensive option to extend the stock cable. It also fits very tightly and I am not worried about it coming apart. (At least for now.)
Amazon
These are good news! Thanks!
hmm its a pretty long cable, would it affect the charging speed ?
if yes how much in terms of charging from 0-50 and 0-100 compared to the stock cable without extension
I have a 6ft monoprice extension that allows the phone to register dash charge but still only charges at standard rate. It's like the AC adapter can still tell the difference.
biglilsteve said:
I have a 6ft monoprice extension that allows the phone to register dash charge but still only charges at standard rate. It's like the AC adapter can still tell the difference.
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It seems to charge quite a bit quicker than the 6ft type C cable I have.
whoamanwtf said:
It seems to charge quite a bit quicker than the 6ft type C cable I have.
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You ever check out an app like Ampere to see what charging rate it registers?
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You ever check out an app like Ampere to see what charging rate it registers?
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I have but I figured that the app was wrong because it showed that me using my old i-orange micro with a micro to c adapter and my samsung s7 brick that I was charging at the same speed as with the official dash charger (This being Ampere)
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I have but I figured that the app was wrong because it showed that me using my old i-orange micro with a micro to c adapter and my samsung s7 brick that I was charging at the same speed as with the official dash charger (This being Ampere)
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that's a bumper, ya im sure the 1+ dash charge cable has some kind of chip. an the USB A cable is a bit different if you look inside of it
cssoz said:
that's a bumper, ya im sure the 1+ dash charge cable has some kind of chip. an the USB A cable is a bit different if you look inside of it
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I meant with Ampere both these setups show the same.
Samsung + micro + micro to c adapter
Stock + Stock cable
So I figured the app is not reading dash correctly if that other setup states the same speeds.
whoamanwtf said:
I meant with Ampere both these setups show the same.
Samsung + micro + micro to c adapter
Stock + Stock cable
So I figured the app is not reading dash correctly if that other setup states the same speeds.
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Well does dash charge work then with the extension?
whoamanwtf said:
I meant with Ampere both these setups show the same.
Samsung + micro + micro to c adapter
Stock + Stock cable
So I figured the app is not reading dash correctly if that other setup states the same speeds.
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I'm not sure what you're saying here.
Extension cables work with QC2.0 and 3.0 perfectly fine. I used my monoprice 6ft USB3.0 with my Nexus 6 and it worked fine. Ampere registered about 2300mA with the N6 when quick charging. This was just about the same rating that I achieved with the stock cable and no extension.
The case of the OP3 is different. With the stock cable connected directly to the Dash Charger, Ampere registers about 3300-3400mA. With the 6ft extension in place, the phone shows "Dash Charging" on the lock screen and I get the blue Dash Charge LED charging light, but Ampere only registers about 1300mA charging.
Anyone tried this oppo vooc cable with the dash charge adaptor?
http://www.gearbest.com/samsung-cables-adapters/pp_263177.html
elementalfusion said:
Anyone tried this oppo vooc cable with the dash charge adaptor?
http://www.gearbest.com/samsung-cables-adapters/pp_263177.html
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this is not usb type C cable so you cant use with OP3
real77055 said:
this is not usb type C cable so you cant use with OP3
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Yes you can with an adapter
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biglilsteve said:
I'm not sure what you're saying here.
Extension cables work with QC2.0 and 3.0 perfectly fine. I used my monoprice 6ft USB3.0 with my Nexus 6 and it worked fine. Ampere registered about 2300mA with the N6 when quick charging. This was just about the same rating that I achieved with the stock cable and no extension.
The case of the OP3 is different. With the stock cable connected directly to the Dash Charger, Ampere registers about 3300-3400mA. With the 6ft extension in place, the phone shows "Dash Charging" on the lock screen and I get the blue Dash Charge LED charging light, but Ampere only registers about 1300mA charging.
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If 1300mA then no Dash. You got yar self an answah
Its about the juice not about the info...
BTW... If you get a 20 ft long "Dash cable'' probably the cable resistance will be so high that you could get max 300mA that's why 1+ will never produce 20ft USB..
Arcy]|[Skurwol said:
If 1300mA then no Dash. You got yar self an answah
Its about the juice not about the info...
BTW... If you get a 20 ft long "Dash cable'' probably the cable resistance will be so high that you could get max 300mA that's why 1+ will never produce 20ft USB..
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I wasn't asking anything. I already know dash charge wasn't happening. I just want people to know that even though the phone registers "Dash Charging" on the lockscreen, it isn't really happening with an extension.
Nobody is asking OnePlus to produce a 20ft dash cable. There's just simply no reason why we shouldn't be able to get a 2M cable. The loss due to additional resistance would be negligible.
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Nobody is asking OnePlus to produce a 20ft dash cable. There's just simply no reason why we shouldn't be able to get a 2M cable. The loss due to additional resistance would be negligible.
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I personally hate the 1m (and even more so when it comes to shorter) cables. Can't play with the phone while charging, because no jacks are ever close enough that the cable reaches the closest seating option (orher than the all present floor ) . Even in office the charger is relatively close, but when I answer the phone the cable is too short.
2m would be perfection for me at least. I know it's too long for some, but then again I'm talking about a choice to order one.
And as biglilsteve said, there is no elecro-physical limit to this 2m cable, and if the heating (if resistance grows the cable heats more) should become an issue the cable could be designed to compensate it with thicker copper (and that would be something like 10%+20% thicker I assume)
3010 mA
Just got the 3m Sabrent extension in yesterday and very pleased with the speed. I'll take it.
Screenshot isn't uploading from my phone for some reason but I got 3010 mA on Ampere.
At this point I'm quite confused about it the ability to use a extension. I want to charge my OP3 comfortably. So if I buy a USB 3.0 extension from Anker, Aukey, Amazon Basics or another brand it will charge I know that. But it will be Dash Charge or Traditional charge? Thanks
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At this point I'm quite confused about it the ability to use a extension. I want to charge my OP3 comfortably. So if I buy a USB 3.0 extension from Anker, Aukey, Amazon Basics or another brand it will charge I know that. But it will be Dash Charge or Traditional charge? Thanks
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Don't know about others, but I personally can tell you dash charge works with the extension mentioned in the OP. You lose a couple hundred mA of charging speed, but still get around 3000 mA, which is the speed that QC3.0 runs. Perfectly acceptable!