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[Help] Explain systemless Root

Hello. Please be gentle. I'm new to Systemless Root and need some clarification. I've done a lot of reading about it but still need some info. Im not bashing anything or anyone, I'm not trying to be a wise ass, I'm genuinely confused. From the vague installation process I read somewhere it seems that u already need to be Rooted with TWRP installed to install Systemless Root. Right? So what's the point of rerooting a phone thats already rooted? I would think it would be more useful to have it as another root method. So we can start off Locked and Unrooted, then use Systemless to root. Currently my N6 is locked and Unrooted because I have no use for Root at the moment yet all of my previous Android phones have been unlocked and rooted. Please explain to me what I'm missing here. Thanks guys. Happy New Year to u.

TokedUp said:
Hello. Please be gentle. I'm new to Systemless Root and need some clarification. I've done a lot of reading about it but still need some info. Im not bashing anything or anyone, I'm not trying to be a wise ass, I'm genuinely confused. From the vague installation process I read somewhere it seems that u already need to be Rooted with TWRP installed to install Systemless Root. Right? So what's the point of rerooting a phone thats already rooted? I would think it would be more useful to have it as another root method. So we can start off Locked and Unrooted, then use Systemless to root. Currently my N6 is locked and Unrooted because I have no use for Root at the moment yet all of my previous Android phones have been unlocked and rooted. Please explain to me what I'm missing here. Thanks guys. Happy New Year to u.
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Read this http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=63197935&postcount=2 and this http://forum.xda-developers.com/apps/supersu/wip-android-6-0-marshmellow-t3219344 for starters. BTW Google is your friend and you can`t be rooted to use systemless root and obtain root.

I'm probably a lot less experienced than gee2012 and many others in the forum, but here's my very high-level understanding. I hope that the more knowledgeable members can add to or correct this as necessary.
First, you need to unlock the device (fastboot oem unlock), since you can't do much with a locked device. Not only that, but time and time again I've read pleas from users saying "My device is bricked and I didn't unlock it so I can't now enable developer options" - the responses have been generally "Sorry, you're stuffed then, send it back". Unlocking wipes the device, so make backups of whatever essential data you have.
You don't need to install TWRP permanently in order to root. I myself (after asking members for advice) temporarily booted into TWRP (fastboot boot twrp.img - when you reboot from TWRP it disappears and you're back to stock recovery). While TWRP is temporarily running, you can use it to install SuperSU.
The benefit of the new SuperSU (and also doitright's systemless root method) is that it maintains a stock system image, so in theory you have the benefits of superuser root but you can still get OTA updates, which are now much more frequent because of the security amendments. Chainfire (the SuperSU creator) says that he was able to install an OTA after having used the SuperSU unroot function, though he then had to re-root.
Hope this helps - and that it's correct...

dahawthorne said:
I'm probably a lot less experienced than gee2012 and many others in the forum, but here's my very high-level understanding. I hope that the more knowledgeable members can add to or correct this as necessary.
First, you need to unlock the device (fastboot oem unlock), since you can't do much with a locked device. Not only that, but time and time again I've read pleas from users saying "My device is bricked and I didn't unlock it so I can't now enable developer options" - the responses have been generally "Sorry, you're stuffed then, send it back". Unlocking wipes the device, so make backups of whatever essential data you have.
You don't need to install TWRP permanently in order to root. I myself (after asking members for advice) temporarily booted into TWRP (fastboot boot twrp.img - when you reboot from TWRP it disappears and you're back to stock recovery). While TWRP is temporarily running, you can use it to install SuperSU.
The benefit of the new SuperSU (and also doitright's systemless root method) is that it maintains a stock system image, so in theory you have the benefits of superuser root but you can still get OTA updates, which are now much more frequent because of the security amendments. Chainfire (the SuperSU creator) says that he was able to install an OTA after having used the SuperSU unroot function, though he then had to re-root.
Hope this helps - and that it's correct...
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Thanks man. That makes certain things more understandable. The thing I still don't understand is the actual install process. I'm am stock, so ur saying I would just have to unlock BL then temp flash TWRP to flash the SU zip? If not what are the exact steps for installing?
BTW I'm on 6.0.1 MMB29K

TokedUp said:
Thanks man. That makes certain things more understandable. The thing I still don't understand is the actual install process. I'm am stock, so ur saying I would just have to unlock BL then temp flash TWRP to flash the SU zip? If not what are the exact steps for installing?
BTW I'm on 6.0.1 MMB29K
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- Enable OEM UNLOCK in developer options and enable usb debugging
- Unlock the bootloader
- Reboot
- Flash TWRP (2.8.7.1 is the lastest afaik)
- Message by TWRP to modify the system, click no
- optional: If you format data you decrypt the phone (will wipe all files completely), reboot after if you choose to do so
- In TWRP flash the latest systemless superSU.zip (2.66) zip, link http://forum.xda-developers.com/apps/supersu/wip-android-6-0-marshmellow-t3219344
- TWRP will say you`re not rooted, ignore it
- Reboot
- Install BusyBox from Play and you`re done.

gee2012 said:
- Enable OEM UNLOCK in developer options and enable usb debugging
- Unlock the bootloader
- Reboot
- Flash TWRP (2.8.7.1 is the lastest afaik)
- Message by TWRP to modify the system, click no
- optional: If you format data you decrypt the phone (will wipe all files completely), reboot after if you choose to do so
- In TWRP flash the latest systemless superSU.zip (2.66) zip, link http://forum.xda-developers.com/apps/supersu/wip-android-6-0-marshmellow-t3219344
- TWRP will say you`re not rooted, ignore it
- Reboot
- Install BusyBox from Play and you`re done.
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I don't want to be that guy but USB debugging is not needed to unlock the BL,it is only needed while in Android os

holeindalip said:
I don't want to be that guy but USB debugging is not needed to unlock the BL,it is only needed while in Android os
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True, but i always enable it by default

gee2012 said:
- Enable OEM UNLOCK in developer options and enable usb debugging
- Unlock the bootloader
- Reboot
- Flash TWRP (2.8.7.1 is the lastest afaik)
- Message by TWRP to modify the system, click no
- optional: If you format data you decrypt the phone (will wipe all files completely), reboot after if you choose to do so
- In TWRP flash the latest systemless superSU.zip (2.66) zip, link http://forum.xda-developers.com/apps/supersu/wip-android-6-0-marshmellow-t3219344
- TWRP will say you`re not rooted, ignore it
- Reboot
- Install BusyBox from Play and you`re done.
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Thank you so much!

TokedUp said:
Thank you so much!
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Tip: instead of flashing TWRP you can also boot it up ( fastboot boot nametwrp.img) to flash zip files and keep your stock recovery if you want to.

@gee2012 - "Install BusyBox from Play and you`re done"
I still don't get what exactly Busybox offers. I've been running fine on Marshmallow for several months without it. I installed it once because it was suggested as a fix for the constant nagging of AutomateIt Pro to reboot, and it made no difference, so I uninstalled it again.
Can you (or anyone) give me specific examples if where it actually makes a difference? Which functions won't work without it? I haven't come across any yet as far as I know.

Busybox is the space efficient way of the basic Unix commands like ln, pwd, chown, chmod, etc. So all apps that want to do some low level file system dabbling, like Android terminal, Titanium backup, or Linux installs, they need it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BusyBox
From Marshmallow, Android now uses toybox instead by default, which is quite the same, with a little different licensing. It's also in the AOSP source, so all user built AOSP roms already have toybox, so there's no need for busybox to install.

dahawthorne said:
@gee2012 - "Install BusyBox from Play and you`re done"
I still don't get what exactly Busybox offers. I've been running fine on Marshmallow for several months without it. I installed it once because it was suggested as a fix for the constant nagging of AutomateIt Pro to reboot, and it made no difference, so I uninstalled it again.
Can you (or anyone) give me specific examples if where it actually makes a difference? Which functions won't work without it? I haven't come across any yet as far as I know.
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Apps like Rom Toolbox Pro, Franco Kernel Updater and Kernel Adiutor and lots of other application like Xposed framework (and its modules) and most (if not all) of the custom roms will not work (correctly) without BusyBox. All custom roms anyway have a BusyBox version by default installed Busybox https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BusyBox and https://www.google.nl/url?sa=t&rct=...6Z0ltw&usg=AFQjCNG-nKYoEI3kiDm4pgtRWbXFRTpI6A for instance.
Its an essential app for when you are rooted and want to do more with your phone and its not smart to not install it

Thanks, both. I like istperson's comment best : "there's no need for busybox to install." That would be why I haven't seen any negative impact from not having Busybox then. Still, money well spent to help development...

Rooting Brand New Nexus 6 MMB29Q Build

I've been reading forums in XDA and reddit almost the whole day and was not able to find any definite guide about my inquiries so i started this new thread..
Here's my Story, i bought a brand new nexus 6 6.0.1 with build MMB29Q, i wanted to adjust the saturation because its too high, and of course i have to root to do that. i have already unlock boot loader. PS I'm very new in roooting, as in Zero experience, i'm reading about it right now but i need some help from you guys for me to not brick my new phone. 'Im planning on doing Systemless Root BTW.
My questions are:
1. What SuperSu version and TWRP version is compatible with MMB29Q? (i know the newest version is 2.67 for SuperSU and 2.8.5.0 for TWRP) I'm having second thought in using them because MMB29Q came to my device just February. Can someone tell me which version si compatible?
2. [/B] If i would be successful in rooting my device, i plan on flashing custom kernel (I'm Planning on Using Franco Kernel because it is the one the i have read which is compatible in color saturation control and temperature. Any suggestion for other kernel will be very helpful.) My question is after i root my device can i just directly flash it (franco kernel zip file) using TWRP in my device? or are there any requisites before flashing the franco kernel?
Please anyone can give a definitive guide on this, or atleast give me forum threads that i can read about this. Will really appreciate for your help guys, i really love my nexus 6, saturation and warm temp is my only concern. Thank you Guys!!!

2.67 for SuperSU is compatible. 2.8.5.0 TWRP is also compatible.
(Kernel - I don't know)

1. SuperSU 2.65 or 2.67, TWRP 3.0.0. Keep in mind that SuperSU 2.67 is the beta version so you might want to use 2.65 instead. There are alternative superuser binaries available but those require a bit more work to use.
2. No suggestion for an alternate kernel, as I don't use one. As long as a flashable zip file is available for the chosen kernel, you can flash it via TWRP.

I used SuperSU v2.67, TWRP 3.0.0-0 and the ElementalX (3.09) kernel.
Rooted right now on stock MMB29Q.

I'm using SuperSU 2.66 on 29Q without issue. TWRP has been updated to 3.0.0-1 link: https://dl.twrp.me/shamu/
Read the OP for the kernel that you want. In there it will state if any special requirements are needed to flash before and/or after.
You'd want to flash the kernel first then flash SuperSU.

No issues with SuperSU 2.67 and TWRP 3.0.0 ElementalX is a great custom kernel. It supports screen color control (manually or pick in Aroma installer) and has a bunch of other features.
You should check out the N6 all in one beginners guide.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2948481
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Question has been answered already, but I would say newest SuperSU, version 2.67, and kernel suggestion? I love elite kernel because it supports all ROMs! AOSP and stock! PM me if you have questions, I'll help ya!

Hi I have been reading hi and low also to root MMB29q but only access to a MAC....any advice/ point me in the right direction is much appreciated, thank you

d88naimi said:
Hi I have been reading hi and low also to root MMB29q but only access to a MAC....any advice/ point me in the right direction is much appreciated, thank you
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On the phone make sure you have USB debugging enabled, and also allow the bootloader to be unlocked.
Get the Android SDK and ADB setup on your MAC. I don't have a MAC and this guide may or may not be correct, I can't confirm. Boot your phone into bootloader mode (hold volume up + volume down + power when the phone is turned off). Connect the phone to your MAC and run the command "fastboot oem unlock" to unlock your bootloader. Then "fastboot flash recovery twrp-3.0.0-1-shamu.img" this will put on TWRP recovery.
Now using your volume rockers to boot into recovery. Now flash the version of SuperSu you want to use- 2.67 for Systemless or 2.65 for System. If you use systemless, TWRP will probably warn you you are not rooted and to swipe to install SuperSu. Don't do this!

Nexus 6 Nougat Root with SuperSU

I can't seem to find the answer to this.
I've just flashed the Nougat Factory image for Nexus 6 and want root. Can anyone confirm is the latest SuperSU is compatible? I've flashed TWRP and downloaded the latest SuperSU but just a little hesitant to flash it in case of issues.
Thanks a lot.

Yep I rooted just fine. works ok.

Nucleotide said:
I can't seem to find the answer to this.
I've just flashed the Nougat Factory image for Nexus 6 and want root. Can anyone confirm is the latest SuperSU is compatible? I've flashed TWRP and downloaded the latest SuperSU but just a little hesitant to flash it in case of issues.
Thanks a lot.
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I had no problems with the latest version, which I installed last night (downloaded factory image, extracted to PC and fastboot flashed through bootloader, rebooted to recovery and flashed SuperSU 2.78-SR1).

yudumcan said:
Yep I rooted just fine. works ok.
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pkgnex said:
I had no problems with the latest version, which I installed last night (downloaded factory image, extracted to PC and fastboot flashed through bootloader, rebooted to recovery and flashed SuperSU 2.78-SR1).
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Perfect. Flashed and working great. Thank you! :good:

If you enjoy having an unknown organization having absolute godlike control over your phone, then sure, use stupidsu.
But if you like to have auditable and sane control over your own device, I would very VERY much suggest that you instead use https://github.com/seSuperuser/AOSP-SU-PATCH

Nucleotide said:
I can't seem to find the answer to this.
I've just flashed the Nougat Factory image for Nexus 6 and want root. Can anyone confirm is the latest SuperSU is compatible? I've flashed TWRP and downloaded the latest SuperSU but just a little hesitant to flash it in case of issues.
Thanks a lot.
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I flashed factory image today and went to Nexus Root Toolkit to root and flash recovery. It went well.

new to Nexus 6, just got Nougat OTA, whats the best way to root and have double tap to wake (will it drain battery big time?) and notification led? pls help, tia
btw I use Mac

Isn't the nexus 6 supposed to be 100% stock Android and with that being able to be rooted by any root method? I know I've read many times that if you want to get into root and hacking to pick up a nexus device as they were easily recoverable and weren't root blocked by any means
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gabe.ulrickson said:
Isn't the nexus 6 supposed to be 100% stock Android and with that being able to be rooted by any root method? I know I've read many times that if you want to get into root and hacking to pick up a nexus device as they were easily recoverable and weren't root blocked by any means
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Not sure what exactly you're asking but the Nexus 6 is easily rooted when using the proper methods. Unlock the bootloader, fastboot flash TWRP recovery and then flash SuperSU or Magisk in TWRP.

Root OnePlus 3T running 7.1.1 Android Nougat and Oxygen 4.1.1.

Hello all.,,
I checked and read many thread slowly and steadily ,but couldn't find a good solution to root this phone 3T.
I just bought this Beautiful Device runing so smooth but with Hands tied too hard unable to run many apps and many ads and Bloatwares..
Thought to Root this device ,but all are mostly either Oxygen 3 or Marshmallow or 7.0. Version of ANdroid..and DW Error,is also a major concern to look out..
So Please help me to root this device running O2 4.1.1 (I literally dont want to change the stock,as of now) and Android 7.1.1 ,some simple steps...
Thanks and Regards
Awaiting for replies!!

I'm about to get this phone so I've been doing a lot of research myself. It looks like you can follow the steps in this thread and you can flash supersu through TWRP once you've unlocked the bootloader.

Unlock bootloader.
Flash TWRP.
Flash your preferred root zip in TWRP (SuperSU or Magisk are two good choices, I prefer Magisk).
That's about it...

i too tried the above method,,But I got struck with Logo of TWRP and got enabled only after 6 Hours.. But to my fate,,i'm still running on Stock recovery.. Not on TWRP !!

Use the latest official TWRP (currently 3.1.0-1). Works just fine.

i can relate to your question.
however, i discovered how to root the 3t and flash the usual zips files the finally the freedom rom, on my own.
it was a thrill.
i advise you to just take the blue pill.

I installed Blusparks Version of TWRP ,,but still no use,,SuperSU or Magisk both says My phone is not rooted!!!!

I want to live the Stock ROM and just to root the device,,But the steps are not futile for me!

What I would do if i was you.
Unlock bootloader
Flash TWRP
Flash latest Magisk 13.2 zip

Hey,
Is this method still valid for rooting the 3T?
https://forums.oneplus.net/threads/...wrp-root-nandroid-efs-backup-and-more.475142/

Yes, that is still valid, more or less. Might be a more current version of blue_spark's TWRP (official TWRP is on 3.1.1.2) although the link only says 3.1.1-x, so I don't know what that means. But probably won't make a huge difference.
Can't see what version Magisk is linked (my office network is blocking the link). If you choose Magisk, flash latest version 13.3, especially if you want to hide root (from Snapchat, banking apps, etc.). Older versions of Magisk will fail to hide, due to recent changes Google made to SafetyNet.

And what if we want to flash this beta to a brand new device?
http://downloads.oneplus.net/oneplus-3t/oneplus_3t_oxygenos_openbeta_12/
Should we first unlock the device, then install the TWRP recovery, then flash this beta rom and then root?

Questions about TWRP used for current root method

I rooted the e5 plus using this method: https://forum.xda-developers.com/mo...o-e5-plus-rhannah-backup-magisk-root-t3822702
This was different from what I'm used to as normally TWRP replaces the stock recovery and then root is applied. Here, TWRP is only used in fastboot and not applied permanently.
A couple of questions:
Since recovery is not replaced, can this device receive OTA updates with no issues?
Can a normal factory reset be done without soft bricking the device?
If I want to install zip files for mods etc, can I use the fastboot temp TWRP to do this and it will still work?
Are there any actions/caveats that should be done or avoided with this TWRP method?
Excuse my ignorance but I'm sure someone else may have the same question and I'd rather not brick my device.
Thank you.

shezzy83 said:
I rooted the e5 plus using this method: https://forum.xda-developers.com/mo...o-e5-plus-rhannah-backup-magisk-root-t3822702
This was different from what I'm used to as normally TWRP replaces the stock recovery and then root is applied. Here, TWRP is only used in fastboot and not applied permanently.
A couple of questions:
Since recovery is not replaced, can this device receive OTA updates with no issues?
Can a normal factory reset be done without soft bricking the device?
If I want to install zip files for mods etc, can I use the fastboot temp TWRP to do this and it will still work?
Are there any actions/caveats that should be done or avoided with this TWRP method?
Excuse my ignorance but I'm sure someone else may have the same question and I'd rather not brick my device.
Thank you.
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OTA won't work if rooted, you'll have to flash stock boot or flash full stock ROM.
Flashing twrp causes issues because of avb and dm-verity
TWRP won't have access to data because of encryption and won't be able to write to system.
Basically you're only booting twrp to make a backup and then use Magisk to patch your boot.img for root. From there you can install magisk modules and Xposed as well as any apps you use that need root.
You might use the TWRP installer within Android to install TWRP but it didn't boot for me on my E5 Plus.

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Basically you're only booting twrp to make a backup and then using Magisk to patch your boot.img for root.
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Ok so that's the answer I was looking for. TWRP is ONLY for backing up in our case since it doesn't have access. Therefore, none of what I asked about will work.

shezzy83 said:
Ok so that's the answer I was looking for. TWRP is ONLY for backing up in our case since it doesn't have access. Therefore, none of what I asked about will work.
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These Moto e5 + posts have become pointless.
No method works and if root does work it will have issues. The original poster can't fix the issue because they don't know what they are talking about half the time.
We need better people on here who can make a video or explain how to do this without ****ing with our heads ?
Like a person who knows what they are doing with that exact phone model and are not just saying **** for a post ?
Contact me if you need real help fixing these people's mistakes [not root] "fix a bricked phone"!