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Is it possible to add an NFC chip to the Nexus One?

The NFC chip of the Nexus S is located on the battery cover, IIRC. I was wondering if it is possible to install it on our Nexus One.
http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/26/rim-bank-of-america-partnering-up-for-mobile-wallet-nfc-trial/
According to this, it is possible to add the NFC chip to older blackberry phones that didn't come with the NFC. I'm not a very tech savvy person so I was wondering what other kinds of hardware connection you need to make it work?

Well, I would think it wouldn't take much to put a pre-programmed chip anywhere you want. But tying in to the rest of the hardware, and thus software... I can't imagine this is easy.

NexusDro said:
The NFC chip of the Nexus S is located on the battery cover, IIRC. I was wondering if it is possible to install it on our Nexus One.
http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/26/rim-bank-of-america-partnering-up-for-mobile-wallet-nfc-trial/
According to this, it is possible to add the NFC chip to older blackberry phones that didn't come with the NFC. I'm not a very tech savvy person so I was wondering what other kinds of hardware connection you need to make it work?
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Yeah I was curious after reading this post as well. If an ancient Blackberry can do it, surely the N1 should have no trouble. Then again, the Blackberry models have always had a sort of built in NFC for interfacing with their holsters, so it might be a build up on that.

dnlsmy said:
Yeah I was curious after reading this post as well. If an ancient Blackberry can do it, surely the N1 should have no trouble. Then again, the Blackberry models have always had a sort of built in NFC for interfacing with their holsters, so it might be a build up on that.
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I don't think it is NFC. I believe it is some kind of magnetic sensor. The Holster has a magnet and when the phone leaves the magnetic field, it automatically turns the screen on or something. But you could be right that it could be related to NFC.

Most blackberries have dock connectors in their battery doors that allow for power and I am pretty sure data transfer, thus of a new back was inserted, the infrastructure would already exist for it to talk to the phone. N1 doesn't have this on the battery door.

Well ok, maybe not the battery door. But how about the docking pins? They allow for data and power transfer? Sure, it'd interfere with docking if you'd mount a chip on there. But some people might be perfectly happy with that..
Or am I talking about completely different things here?

I'm pretty sure the docking pins would be a viable option, as they do transfer data (tell Nexus One to open clock, open car mode). I don't know anyone who would reverse-engineer that much though

pinke123 said:
Most blackberries have dock connectors in their battery doors that allow for power and I am pretty sure data transfer, thus of a new back was inserted, the infrastructure would already exist for it to talk to the phone. N1 doesn't have this on the battery door.
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Didn't expect rim to be this forward thinking.

Those docking pins, since they they are not connected to the door are irrelevant. They bear no resemblance to the ones on a bb because you can't just swap out the bottom piece of the phone for one with an nfc chip in it.
The only possible solution for this idea that I can think of (prepare yourselves, it is pretty out there) is to place an "L" shaped tab between the battery connectors on the battery and phone, have connectors on the other end of the "L" that sit on top of the battery, and make a new back cover that has an nfc chip in it, and connectors to the "L" tab. This would only work if there was a way for the phone to send data to the battery, if that were possible the tab would create a fork in the data "road" and allow for interaction between the phone and nfc chip. I highly doubt that the N1 has such a sophisticated battery, but I do know that this is possible because some macbook batteries get firmware updates pushed directly to the battery. So if you were a genius mechanical engineer, the phone and battery could talk, and you had a lot of time on your hands, you could probably do it.

NexusDro said:
Didn't expect rim to be this forward thinking.
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Actually RIM and Bank of America are partnering to do a pilot program of bb's with nfc chips:
http://m.engadget.com/default/artic...wallet-nfc-trial/&category=classic&postPage=1

I wouldn't be too sure about this, but SD cards with NFC chips integrated have been looked at.
Edit - can't put in a link yet, so just google NFC SD card and there a articles on this.
How useful this would be for us remains to be seen. I don't think the NFC drivers are loaded into the passion release...
More than likely, we'll all have changed phones by the time NFC is widespread. I wouldn't get the Nexus S though

is it really possible?

X2 compared to GX2

I am really wanting the T-Mobile GX2 and I have read through a lot of posts. I am coming from the Vibrant which has tons of pro's and a few crappy Cons but over all it is a great phone. Even reading through a lot of posts I am still not seeing a few answer's that I have.
One is the Vibrant has 2gigs for app installs. I love this compared to the N1's wimpy 192k. So how much does the 2X have for application storage? By that I mean without Apps2SD.
The screen? Is it a standard LCD? AMOLED? I love the Vibrants screen, but it can be annoying for TXT on some websites.
HDMI output? Is it just a standard cable? and is it a true 1080p on the big screen or a scaled 840x480 that the phone puts out? And is it true mirroring, meaning anything on the phone is displayed on the TV and I mean anything?
WIFI? is it N? Bluetooth? I hear the Wiimote is not working, but I am wondering if the T-Mobile version with the AOSP setup will make a difference.
Speaker internal and ear piece. I am really bad on hearing and I love the Vibrants ear piece as there is an option for HAC mode which CRANKS up the earpiece volume so I can hear in a noisy environment. And is the external speaker loud? Again hearing a game is important and a nice clear loud speaker is not a requirement but a plus.
size and weight? is it a super heavy device? and how does it fit in large hands? Do you feel like it is constantly trying to jump out of your hand? My Vibrant is a bit slick and sometimes I feel like it could just fly out of my hand.
I think that is all I had for now.
Thanks for any of those Q's that you guys can answer. I'm really looking forward to this phone!!

Since I dont have the international version of this phone, I am not sure on some of these things that you mentioned but I will share what I have read so far. I am on the same boat and I am starting to not like my Vibrant due to lack of support from Samsung and also faulty gps. I am considering to buy this phone when it comes out and I don’t think I will ever go with a Samsung phone again.
As far as memory goes, G2X will come with 2gb memory for apps and android system. And it will also come with 8gb storage on board.
The screen is an IPS LCD, I am not sure what exactly it will be called. Since iphone retina displays are made by LG, I am expecting to see similar type of screen. The blacks might not be as good as the AMOLED but it will probably be better dpi, less pixilation. So better text reading compare to vibrant screen.
The phone will will have other similar specs, such as the HDMI output, 512 ROM, 8mp camera and 1.3mo font facing camera, NVidia tegra 2, same wifi chip, same Bluetooth chip and same battery. The HDMI connection will be a micro HDMI to standard hdmi, there wont be any tweaks or adaptors and you should be able to have 1080p signal.
I am not sure on the speakers, others who has this phone will have better input on this.
Size will be almost the same to international version, it will be a little larger than vibrant but same screen size. The weight will be slightly more. Almost the same weight as iphone 4. I believe about 139grams.
Above all this phone will have quad-band data. In other word it will be able connect ATT's 3g network if there is a merge in the future. Also this phone will have a hdspa+ capability, which should be 21mb/s data speeds. But the main reason that I think I want this phone is because it will run on stock android. It will be free of the bloatware and It should look clean and presumably a lot faster. For that reason I am assuming it will take more attention by XDA-devs, and hopefully more custom roms and support.

App install partition is 1.45gb
Screen is a beautiful IPS LCD, as used on the Iphone 4 (LG produce the screen for the Iphone 4) - sharp, very bright, with vibrant colors and good viewing angles
Being an LCD blacks are not as solid black as on Amoled, but blacks are still very good for an LCD and color reproduction is good - it is a very high class LCD screen, pictures look stunning, easily as good as my HTC Desires Amoled screen. Looking at it you wont feel you miss out.
HDMI output is a standard HDMI cable but with micro HDMI in the phone end off cource. The cable comes with the phone. It is true mirroring, what you see on the phone you also see on the screen. Since android itself only support screen resolution op to 854x480 all Android screens (desktop, games etc.) are in this resolution being scaled to selected output resolution of either 720p or 1080p, but when you play video it switch from mirroring to only outputting video in native video resolution, and you can then only see video controls on the phone screen and the video overlay itself in 1080p on the flatscreen.
Wifi is N
Speaker is mediocre - both internal and external - not bad but nothing really special either. No HAC mode to my knowledge
It is not heavy at all, despite its size, which actually doesnt feel that big either, it feels light but solid. The feeling in the hand when holding it is excellent - better than almost anything else. Edges are rounded, even the glass front has rounded sides, backplate are "rubbery" feeling - you dont feel like you are going to drop and its very comfortable to hold and comfortable towards the ear also. I have tried most phones on the market the last 10 years or so and I cant think of anything with a better feel when holding it. Some (who dont own the phone) complaints about the buttom space for softbuttons being to big, but its actually just perfect. The sice means that the softbuttons are comfortable to reach when using the phone with one hand, and it means you dont make accidental touches. My Iphone 4 feel like barbwire in comparison. Sharp, slippery and uncomfortable to hold and to put next to your ear.

Many of your questions can be answered by just looking up the phone specs and comparing...
http://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=3598&idPhone2=3416

nomisunrider said:
Many of your questions can be answered by just looking up the phone specs and comparing...
http://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=3598&idPhone2=3416
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missed the topic or something?

Thanks guys for the compares! The 1.5Gb install is a win as I really don't want to go back to the limit app space. And I cannot wait to see the screen in person as the Iphone 4 screen does look nice. The micro HDMI is cool, was hoping it wasn't that special USB plug that requires strange adapters. As for the feel I finally pulled up some pics that shows sizes between the Vibrant and the x2 and they look about the same with the x2 being just a bit thicker, so that would work.
The missing HAC is going to suck as my hearing is horrible and I need that extra sound boost. Guess I'll have to wait and see.. er.. hear it.
again thanks guys for the info especially the app space that is a big one!

nomisunrider said:
Many of your questions can be answered by just looking up the phone specs and comparing...
http://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=3598&idPhone2=3416
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I did not see anything in this link that covers the G2X, and it is not listed in "LG" phones when you open that link on the left. This thread was on the differences (like the additional 3/4G bands, etc.).

Mehrsau said:
missed the topic or something?
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The topic is g2x versus 2x, however his post is comparing it to his vibrant...

gaww said:
I did not see anything in this link that covers the G2X, and it is not listed in "LG" phones when you open that link on the left. This thread was on the differences (like the additional 3/4G bands, etc.).
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Why would the g2x be listed under LG? It is the "T-mobile g2x"
http://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=3888&idPhone2=3598

nomisunrider said:
Why would the g2x be listed under LG? It is the "T-mobile g2x"
http://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=3888&idPhone2=3598
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Good catch - thought they would list under manufacturer and assumed that it only showed current phone - it actually has the G2x US device. In shows the extra 3G/4G frequencies (the only reason I may get it).
In the list of other software, it does not show WiFi calling - really hope that can be installed.

...furthermore, why is a T-Mobile phone using the 850MHz HSPA band and not the usual 900MHz one? Even if it goes through, the AT&T/T-Mobile merger deal isn't going to take effect until well after everybody's moved on from the "G2X"
Kind of annoying, as pretty much the rest of the world uses 900MHz HSPA

nomisunrider said:
The topic is g2x versus 2x, however his post is comparing it to his vibrant...
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I have posted in a couple other forums and the threads lost all meaning because no-one understood what I was asking so I made sure this time by listing some things about the Vibrant as a reference. All I am asking is for 2x info, detailed better then specs sheets tell, so I can see if the G2x is going to be worth getting since both devices will be very similar.
Sorry for the confusion.

unfnknblvbl said:
...furthermore, why is a T-Mobile phone using the 850MHz HSPA band and not the usual 900MHz one? Even if it goes through, the AT&T/T-Mobile merger deal isn't going to take effect until well after everybody's moved on from the "G2X"
Kind of annoying, as pretty much the rest of the world uses 900MHz HSPA
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There are several phone companies that are finding it easier to make a base phone that supports more then one carrier and pass it through the FCC. Every FCC filing costs the phone manufacture money and anything to alleviate that cost helps. There are a couple sprint phones coming from manufactures that carry Verizon freq's as well. I think this will be a trend amongst all phone manufactures sooner or later.
Also the 850 to 900 issue, I have no idea, maybe it's because of a spectrum issue here in the states. Or maybe ATT just wants to be different.

reddragon72 said:
There are several phone companies that are finding it easier to make a base phone that supports more then one carrier and pass it through the FCC. Every FCC filing costs the phone manufacture money and anything to alleviate that cost helps. There are a couple sprint phones coming from manufactures that carry Verizon freq's as well. I think this will be a trend amongst all phone manufactures sooner or later.
Also the 850 to 900 issue, I have no idea, maybe it's because of a spectrum issue here in the states. Or maybe AT&T just wants to be different.
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850 is an AT&T US band - not 900. TMo has a problem here (US) already with selling possible dead-end devices. And since offering "discounted' devices for new or extended contracts is the primary way of signing up and keeping customers in the US, this could be a real problem to them down the road.
Even though many will move up to a different device by then (AT&T) anyway, it still is a worry point, and according to a few local TMo stores - they are noticing it already.

I looked at the network frequencies on t-mobile.com & on phonearena.com and i say this definately my next phone. It has both at&t 3g/hspa and t-mobile 3g/hspa. I'm glad t-mobile brings this out so AT&T won't cripple it like they do their android phones. Its sad that AT&T customers have to go 5 miles to be able to sideload apps, find out that HSUPA is disabled, and deal with capped data speeds. Phuck that. I like AT&T's service but I never bought an AT&T locked android phone. Hence my rant. I will be buying one and unlocking it to use with AT&T. It might help me out if the merger goes through. Having all the bands would totally kick butt!

Looks like release date of the 15th
http://www.androidcentral.com/t-mobile-g2x-may-see-release-april-15-and-g-slate-529-coming-soon

[Q] Hardware questions.

I have a "Sprint" HTC One, and was looking for a working Car Dock, that held the phone securely. I was looking at one from ProClipUsa but they list some of their clips (docks, mounts etc) as only being available for the T-Mobile or other GSM models. Is there really a difference? I was always under the impression that the milled aluminum would then be used for all of the devices.

No difference at all
Buy what ever takes your fancy

Thanks, had just the right amount of doubt that I had to ask.

External NFC readers...

Bit of a shame they scrimped on the NFC reader / writer. I found it really handy on my Nexus 5 for topping up my travel card and have missed it on my current phone.
I've seen external micro-usb RFID reader / writer doodads like this one - which obviously wouldn't work since it would need to be usb-c. Has anyone ever used one? Any idea if these types of solution (if usb-c) could allow an F1 to write to an NFC tag? Obviously it's not something you'd want to leave plugged in, but if it worked it would be handy to pop on and off when required

If you really need the NFC , you should think about any good smartwatch with NFC. If it is acceptable for you to use any smartwatch , it will be the best use of NFC interface we can imagine.

Thanks for the reply, but that doesn't really fit my use-case plus smart watches ain't really my thing. Gonna recommission my Nexus 5 with the sole function of adding credit to my smart cards

I came across gadget by some reviewer which was a ring with an nfc chip embedded. Smart watches are costly and in this case might even be as much as the phone itself. :S

Get different phone. Really.

nC3rtaintiy said:
I came across gadget by some reviewer which was a ring with an nfc chip embedded. Smart watches are costly and in this case might even be as much as the phone itself. :S
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Yeah, I bought one a year or so back. Didn't work! My Nexus 5 couldn't find any trace of an NFC tag

ГАСООП said:
Get different phone. Really.
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If this was a deal breaker I would but as it goes, NFC is a "nice to have", while the F1 has all the higher priorities covered

I have a same problem. I love Poco F1 but this feature is pretty bad for me
I thinking same way.. but I can't find any small usb-c reader

anims said:
I have a same problem. I love Poco F1 but this feature is pretty bad for me
I thinking same way.. but I can't find any small usb-c reader
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The obvious option is to buy a micro-usb NFC reader/writer like the one I think I liked to above and a micro-usb to usb-c adapter, but I've no idea if the devices actually work. Rather than order one and wait weeks for it to arrive I wondered if the wisdom of crowds might help...

This is a 300 phone that should be as fast as a OnePlus 6 and an S9+. Of course they need to cut corners. Plastic back (unless to get the Armor), no wireless charging, no NFC. I'm OK with all of that in a ~300 dollar smart phone. It has a Qcom 845, water cooling, 6GB of RAM, and decent camera. It is so cheap I decided to order one to play with it. I've never been a big fan of MIUI but I'm hoping the develpment community will provide lots of options. My bet is this phone will have a lot of development given the specs and price.

@Mike02z We are ad idem

Generally,get xiaomi 8.
Secondary,wait for mi band 3 nfc edition?

I still don't get the liquid cooling part. The teardown showed no liquid inside..

nC3rtaintiy said:
I still don't get the liquid cooling part. The teardown showed no liquid inside..
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Yeah, I think that might have been a fib. As far as I've understood it, it's a rod thermally conductive metal, so it draws hear from the soc to other areas of the phone less likely to overheat (though when I was watching the teardown it looked like it was drawing hear to the battery - hot batteries didn't do Samsung a whole lot of favours. Jus' sayin')

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Yeah, I think that might have been a fib. As far as I've understood it, it's a rod thermally conductive metal, so it draws hear from the soc to other areas of the phone less likely to overheat (though when I was watching the teardown it looked like it was drawing hear to the battery - hot batteries didn't do Samsung a whole lot of favours. Jus' sayin')
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Okay so I saw a galaxy s9 teardown who was inspecting the liquid cooling in it and found that the liquid is basically inside the metal heatsink. The liquid can physically move inside thereby facilitating heattransfer. Guessing Xiaomi used that.

Mike02z said:
This is a 300 phone that should be as fast as a OnePlus 6 and an S9+. Of course they need to cut corners. Plastic back (unless to get the Armor), no wireless charging, no NFC. I'm OK with all of that in a ~300 dollar smart phone. It has a Qcom 845, water cooling, 6GB of RAM, and decent camera. It is so cheap I decided to order one to play with it. I've never been a big fan of MIUI but I'm hoping the develpment community will provide lots of options. My bet is this phone will have a lot of development given the specs and price.
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You can always use another launcher if you don't like MIUI....
That should fix that .
What I love with Android, if it's broke you can fix it how you like it - mostly...

Back to the subject of NFC devices, it seems the one I initially linked to in the first post is only an NFC tag reader, that is, it will read an NFC code from a tag. Writing is a different matter and probably requires something more like this.
Scouring t'internet revealed some other interesting idea though. Apparently there have been trials of NFC reader / writers built into microsd cards (even SIM cards) though it's not clear if any of these reached the market. That would be a much more elegant solution than a plug in external device.
Does anyone know any more on this?

Does NFC feature came with galaxy gear s3/watch a writer or reader only? Can it be use to top up something like eMoney card?

alexyie said:
Does NFC feature came with galaxy gear s3/watch a writer or reader only? Can it be use to top up something like eMoney card?
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I'd assume they would read and write, but idk.
Not sure about emoney cards, but my Nexus 4 and my Nexus 5 can both top up my Leap Card (an Irish travel card for trains, trams, buses etc)

This will not work. The NFC hardware should have secure element. There are microsd card with NFC.
But I have not seen Google pay supporting it.

looking for "before-i-buy" details, note 9 T-mobile

I'm still rocking an old Note 4 on what seems to be the last possible rom ever released for it (pie) but my hand is forced and i must be moving on to a new device, with T-mobile killing off Sprint's old CDMA services
after some research, it seems Tmo's note 9 is the next best fit for my needs and desires but i dont want to jump in blind.... it looks like the phone modding community is significantly hindered in modern times, compared to 3 to 6 years ago and requirements to root looks to be much more conditional / strict
#1
i am not interested in picking up a device with a halfcocked recovery that is not capable of very important functions, or that can be nullified / wiped / reverted in ways other than directly re-flashing a recovery (or rom) i have seen several recoveries that were subject to such situations over the years..... does recovery enjoy a permanent status on the USA variants?
this is in no way bashing any kind of dev or phone or project, rather trying to identify the "rootability"
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from what i see, USA variants are snapdragon / qualcomm, correct?
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bootloader details... i experienced with both of my last phone choices that bootloader lockdown has increased with updates... and i seen in another thread here on the Note 9 section that specific bootloader versions are "recommended" so is this a situation of only the older Note 9's being compatible? is this "OEM Unlock" situation involving an exploit or genuinely unlocked as easy as 1 2 3
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anything else i should be watching for with the Note 9 such as common types of failure? the ability to root the thing holds my attention to buying this device much more than failures could possibly turn me away, but would like to know what i'm working with

How are you going to verify the battery health on a device thats this old now? Asking for a friend

by using my fingernail to pop off the battery door, removing the old battery and putting in a new one, and pop the door back on
one of the best features to ever exist on a phone, but the world seems to disagree with this notion.

Sterist said:
by using my fingernail to pop off the battery door, removing the old battery and putting in a new one, and pop the door back on
one of the best features to ever exist on a phone, but the world seems to disagree with this notion.
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then the backcase wont have a fancy material like alu or glass like now.
and one of the most important reasons is that they want to to buy new phone when your old one get worse battery life, not just a new battery pack.

yaibakt said:
then the backcase wont have a fancy material like alu or glass like now.
and one of the most important reasons is that they want to to buy new phone when your old one get worse battery life, not just a new battery pack.
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then with aluminum or glass back cover, if i put the phone on my lap, the phone slides right off and hits the floor
but they do this because they want you to buy a new screen every year rather than look at a burned yellow tint, right? lol..... no no no... they do it because everyone is supposed to have their phone in a case....
wrooong again, this is the internet, where no answer is correct

Sterist said:
by using my fingernail to pop off the battery door, removing the old battery and putting in a new one, and pop the door back on
one of the best features to ever exist on a phone, but the world seems to disagree with this notion.
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Good luck using the nail method with the Note 9. You mentioned that's what you were looking at buying a note 9 and my response was how are you going to check its battery health. Remember?

This is a funny thread.
USA variants are Snapdragon, a better processor, however there is the N9600 with dual sim and Exynos, if you must find a Note9 that is easier to root.
Also, battery will last a few years IF YOU TAKE CARE OF IT!! ...by not deep cycling it often and slow charging it.
(you can do lots of things to help with battery time, like not cranking up screen brightness, or leaving radios off when not in use).
If you are coming from a Note4 and you like a phone to last 6+ years, then you should look for a phone with replaceable battery and fully unlocked. Thought about a Motorola? (LOL, I might be kidding)
My answer.... Don't buy a USA Note9 if you want unlocked bootloader or "rootability"
Also, don't buy a Samsung. They are not cool anymore.