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Xsope is more responsive and swiping between tabs is nice too. I also like the way it fills the screen better but I have to admit: dolphins gesture function for jumping to a site by drawing a letter on the screen rocks. I wish I could combine the two but I'm thinking of keeping both.
Dolphin Browser HD v4.2
Pros:
Screen gestures
Organize bookmarks in folders
Cons:
Once the bookmarks are organized in folders, neither the bookmarks, nor the folders containing them are visible on the Bookmarks Bar. What's the use of organizing them?
Flash panels seem to float above other web page elements and at times these panels appear to cover up some other elements.
When scrolling these Flash panels cover the status bar at the top of the screen.
Tabs are too narrow. It is easy to close a tab when you want to turn over to it.
xScope v6 Trial
Pros:
Speed/responsiveness throughout the browser.
Fewer FCs.
Wider tabs.
Better use of the limited screen space.
Cons:
Cannot organize bookmarks.
Flash stopped working. Still works in the stock browser and in Dolphin Browser HD
No gestures.
I personalty like Opra mini but I have messed with both the others opra has been relyable using it for bout a year an no problems
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I personalty like Opra mini but I have messed with both the others opra has been relyable using it for bout a year an no problems
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The topic is "Throwdown dolphin vs xsope".
I've tried both, but keep coming back to dolphin, the bookmark organizing and gestures make for a more pleasant experience. Plus on xscope kept having were I would be scrolling and randomly my movements would start zooming instead.
I find this is very much like the old "Netscape and IE" days. I use Dolphin for 95% of my browsing and if it's slow or frustrating I switch to XScope.
Unfortunately, I can't see XScope with my Market hacked to think it's a Galaxy Tab (I do this for Swype keybaord) so I can't update it. ><
I'm partial to Dolphin HD. I never had a problem with it. I tried Xscope a couple of times but I didn't really like it.
Dolphin feels like a more polished experience to me.
For example:
Tab management "feels" more intuitive in Dolphin. The active tab has a close button right on the tab. You have to make other tabs active or longpress them to close, which I'll admit is a little cumbersome (ideally there'd probably be an x on each tab), but it looks and feels better than xScope's tab button, then hunting for the x for each tab's thumbnail (which are overlapped, making it harder to see).
xScope allows you to shrink text pretty much as small as you want. This might be good for a few specific use cases, but I find it preferable for the browser to lock a minimum zoom level like Dolphin.
I will admit that xScope feels quicker than Dolphin but at this point I'd consider it analogous to the initial Chrome browser release. I think it will do well in the future and probably surpass Dolphin and other mobile browsers, but right now it's not something that's enjoyable to use for mainstream (not that this forum is anything near mainstream lol).
I use and love xscope as flash has worked flawlessly for me on everything from hulu, youtube, ch131 and surfthechannel. I love bein able to stream any videos I want on my gtab
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I didn't care for the swipe to change tabs in xscope because I kept accidentally triggering it. Dolphin lets you map the volume keys as tab switcher, and I much prefer that.
Out of the blue, xScope Flash has suddenly stopped working for some folks and I am one of them. The most bizarre issue is it DID work and there was no update in between it working and not working.
As a result and by default, Dolphin wins. No funky a55 problems like xScope. I bought the app, so I have the right to beeeeeuuch!
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I use and love xscope as flash has worked flawlessly for me on everything from hulu, youtube, ch131 and surfthechannel. I love bein able to stream any videos I want on my gtab
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You mean, any except for silverlight right? (Stupid xbox preview videos!!!!)
Dolphin works for me
i like Dolphin the best, never had an issue with it myself
Dolphin vs.......
Have used both on both my EVO and G-tablet and find I like Dolphin better, just seems more polished. The only problem that I have with both my EVO and G-tablet is that when I post to Facebook for some reason the keyboard will not display. A minor irritation but can be a little frustrating.
Dolphin is definitely a better experience, less FCs and the flow is much close to Firefox to me. This is only my opinion!
Dolphin HD gets my vote
xScope, a long press let's me download images. Wallpapers of course.
Dolphon wins for me since Flash does NOT work using xScope. Has not for a few months, regardless of xScop or TnT version. Works fine on my Incredible.
Perhaps the goobers at xScope will fix the issue now that more Tegra tablets coming.
I've been using xscope for a few weeks now and love it. Flash didn't work at first, but all I had to do was reinstall flash from the market. Has worked ever since. I love how going back is instant. Dolphin would reload the page which was annoying. I do miss the swipe right to see your bookmarks. Also, if you like dolphin, try miren, its nice.
Yeah xscope has problem with flash from time to time. I think it's an issue with the cache. To solve this clear up the applications cache from androids settings.
The issue is that installing 1.1 seems to cause DolphinHD to adopt the same pinch-zoom behavior as the stock browser. It is noticeably more laggy and seems to constantly try to do some sort of scaling/page formatting/text wrap or something that adds an extra half second to every simple zoom action. It also seems to "grab" links as I'm zooming and registers them as long presses, something it doesn't do with 1.0.1. It feels less precise and just wonky, which is frustrating because I'm 100% happy with the way it works before I upgrade.
1.1 has some very tangible benefits that I would like to have, but I use my NC primarily as a web browsing tablet when I'm not reading and this issue has been a deal-breaker for me in regards to leaving 1.0.1. I've upgraded to 1.1 several different times, using several different methods, but always end up switching back after using DolphinHD for a few minutes.
Am I the only one that notices this? Is there some sort of system-wide "engine" that handles pinch-zoom? And if there is, would it be possible to block those related files from updating?
EDIT: I've made a short/sloppy video to demonstrate the problem I'm having a little better. The quality is pretty bad, but it shows the lag and link "grabbing" issues fairly well. I should also mention that I've now tried DolphinHD 4.2/4.3/4.4, Dolphin Mini and the stock browser on 1.1 and they all behave identically in this regard. The only change between the first clip and the second is the upgrade from 1.0.1 to 1.1.
Here's the video.
I'm on 1.1 autonooter 3. My NC was shipped with 1.0.1 and I spent little to no time on 1.0.1 before I upgraded and rooted.
For what it's worth, the stock browser does pinch zoom on 1.1.
However, If you prefer Dolphin, I can understand that.
I have read that if you downgrade dolphin, you can get more stability. Not sure if you will retain pinch zoom or not. I do not use dolphin so I can't confirm.
I should have mentioned that this is with DolphinHD 4.2 on both 1.0.1 and 1.1.
Basically,
DolphinHD 4.2 + 1.0.1 = perfect, lag free pinch-zoom
DolphinHD 4.2 OR 4.3 OR 4.4 OR Mini + 1.1 = weird, laggy pinch-zoom
My uneducated guess is that there is some sort of underlying engine that handles pinch-zoom and page formatting/scaling that gets changed during the 1.1 upgrade. I've fiddled with all of the settings in the stock browser and Dolphin and none of them change this behavior. I haven't tested with any of the other 3rd party browsers.
Miemens, it is in the changelog of the app in the marketplace. Looks like they are working on a fix and workaround is last version.
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Miemens, it is in the changelog of the app in the marketplace. Looks like they are working on a fix and workaround is last version.
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That is a different issue. My problem is that pinch-zoom behaves completely differently between 1.0.1 and 1.1, both running the identical version (4.2) of DolphinHD.
Have you tried Dolphin Mini? I found that while it doesn't have pinch to zoom on 1.0.1, it is much faster and smoother when compared to any other browser. However, I did read that Dolphin Mini's pinch to zoom works on 1.1, so perhaps it would behoove you to try it out.
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Have you tried Dolphin Mini? I found that while it doesn't have pinch to zoom on 1.0.1, it is much faster and smoother when compared to any other browser. However, I did read that Dolphin Mini's pinch to zoom works on 1.1, so perhaps it would behoove you to try it out.
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I just gave Mini a try and it does the same thing. I also tried DolphinHD 4.3 and the brand new 4.4 and they do it as well.
Have you tried another browser?? I found Dolphin slow and quirky, where Opera 10 works awesome on the NC (and on my Nexus One).
I've tried Opera Mobile under 1.0.1 and didn't like it. I'm mainly trying to figure out what it is exactly that changes between 1.0.1 and 1.1 to cause a behavior difference in Dolphin. I'm very very satisfied with Dolphin HD 4.2 under 1.0.1.
Dolphin HD is awesome...but...no pinch to zoom
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I should have mentioned that this is with DolphinHD 4.2 on both 1.0.1 and 1.1.
Basically,
DolphinHD 4.2 + 1.0.1 = perfect, lag free pinch-zoom
DolphinHD 4.2 OR 4.3 OR 4.4 OR Mini + 1.1 = weird, laggy pinch-zoom
My uneducated guess is that there is some sort of underlying engine that handles pinch-zoom and page formatting/scaling that gets changed during the 1.1 upgrade. I've fiddled with all of the settings in the stock browser and Dolphin and none of them change this behavior. I haven't tested with any of the other 3rd party browsers.
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Hey there, i have NC 1.0.1. rooted via auto-nooter, i've been taking care of random issues, and i'm stuck on this zoom thing. I can use the gestures with Dolphin and created one that will zoom the screen, but i thought from reading about Dolphin, and by reading this post which i searched to find if this was already being discussed that this browser indeed should do pinch to zoom. For me though, it isn't working. I looked at Dolphin's menu for a setup area where maybe it wasn't enabled right away, but no dice. Anybody know how to get it if it's not immediately working?
thanks in advance!!
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Hey there, i have NC 1.0.1. rooted via auto-nooter, i've been taking care of random issues, and i'm stuck on this zoom thing. I can use the gestures with Dolphin and created one that will zoom the screen, but i thought from reading about Dolphin, and by reading this post which i searched to find if this was already being discussed that this browser indeed should do pinch to zoom. For me though, it isn't working. I looked at Dolphin's menu for a setup area where maybe it wasn't enabled right away, but no dice. Anybody know how to get it if it's not immediately working?
thanks in advance!!
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With 1.0.1 you have to downgrade to DolphinHD 4.2, which is available on their website (though that seems to be down right now) to keep pinch-zoom from breaking altogether.
Honestly I prefer the stock browser most of the time but I have issues with it displaying the mobile version of certain websites (I changed the UA String to Deaktop as well as iPad). Firefox and Opera also seem to do this. Dolphin HD has been better but honestly it runs like crap compared to some of the other browsers. Ideally I'd like a browser that runs as smooth as the stock browser but consistently loads desktop versions of webpages. Any suggestions?
Thanks!
Try them all is the answer. Really cuz there are not many browsers in the market. I still think the stock browser is just fine. Plus until someone has a better idea than tabbed browsing then I might change my mind.
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downloaded the Miren Browser... works nicely but it does force close when you back out of the app instead of hitting menu/exit
I use both opera mini and opera mobile. they both work great.
Dolphin HD is a lot better now that it doesn't force close every time. I liked the stock browser best but now that they fixed Dolphin, I'm using that one.
I find Opera much faster. Downside is that it doesn't have incognito browsing(I think?), and Flash doesn't work, on XOOM anyway... But some would argue that you wouldn't need incognito because Flash doesn't work anyway.
I like the stock browser, but I find it a little laggy when scrolling through pages with a lot of content. And between Miren, Opera, Dolphin, and stock.. I would say Opera is by far the fastest.
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I find Opera much faster. Downside is that it doesn't have incognito browsing(I think?), and Flash doesn't work, on XOOM anyway... But some would argue that you wouldn't need incognito because Flash doesn't work anyway.
I like the stock browser, but I find it a little laggy when scrolling through pages with a lot of content. And between Miren, Opera, Dolphin, and stock.. I would say Opera is by far the fastest.
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Opera is definitely the fastest, but the greatest down fall is the scrolling.
when trying to read something opera doesn't lock the scrolling so you will never be able to scroll perfectly vertical or horizontal.
If they added that I would never look back at another browser
Also the long press actions on opera are pre 2.3.X so text selection and other things are a pain in the ass
I prefer dolphin. I set it up to view pages like a computer and I get great speed with it. It also uses flash. The stock browser is nice, but you can download the blue color pack and make dolphin blue also. took me a couple days to get use to it. Tabbed browsing and quick access to bookmarks is nice.
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I keep switching between stock and Dolphin. The only issue I have with the stock browser is that it refuses to load the videos on ESPN most of the time. It just loads the pic but will never play the video.
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I keep switching between stock and Dolphin. The only issue I have with the stock browser is that it refuses to load the videos on ESPN most of the time. It just loads the pic but will never play the video.
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I'm with you on that. ESPN displays video just fine in Dolphin, so I find myself switching back and forth between stock (I love the quick navigation tool) and Dolphin.
I am a fan of the stock browser but after a while it freezes and then force closes . My other fave is Dolphin HD and it doesn't always want to open a new tab when I long click.on a link.
opera mobile has been hands down the best for me, its the only reason i'm keeping the xoom instead of an ipad.
I've tried/used Xscope, stock browser, the latest Dolphin browser and Opera on the Xoom and lack the knowledge to do any factual testing differences.
Since it's all personal preference based on end users experience as well as what he/she downloaded and actually spent time with - My preference leans towards the stock browser but Xscope pro isn't far behind.
It doesn't appear many people use Xscope comparatively speaking (including phones) but it really is a gem and I would encourage people to at least try out the free version.
I'm curious why anyone uses anything besides opera mobile at this point? I've tried all of the browser options and opera renders and scrolls through pages far better than any of the others, they all just seem slow an unrefined in comparison.
I use the Dolphin Lite version of Dolphin browser. Been doing so for a while on my Droid X. On the Xoom I go back in forth with that and stock. I find the lite version does not have all the extra fluff that the HD ver has included.
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I'm curious why anyone uses anything besides opera mobile at this point? I've tried all of the browser options and opera renders and scrolls through pages far better than any of the others, they all just seem slow an unrefined in comparison.
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I tried Opera but it refuses to load anything but mobile versions of sites. If you can tell me how to get it to show desktop versions like all the other browsers can, I'd be sold
Firefox does the same, and again doesn't seem to have an option to show desktop :-S
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I am actually leaning tordards Dolphin browser HD mainly because I hate having to press "about:debug" every time just to hit desktop.
bleomycin said:
I'm curious why anyone uses anything besides opera mobile at this point? I've tried all of the browser options and opera renders and scrolls through pages far better than any of the others, they all just seem slow an unrefined in comparison.
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-Flash Support?
-no quick launcher
-loads mobile sites. Not sure how I can modify the UA string.
-embedded videos do not load on certain sites.
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I tried Opera but it refuses to load anything but mobile versions of sites. If you can tell me how to get it to show desktop versions like all the other browsers can, I'd be sold
Firefox does the same, and again doesn't seem to have an option to show desktop :-S
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enter opera:config
You can set the User Agent string under User Preferences. For example: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:2.0.1) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/4.0.12011-04-22 22:08:44
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My other fave is Dolphin HD and it doesn't always want to open a new tab when I long click.on a link.
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THIS ^
I was thinking it was possibly just me, but I often have to do the long click several times for it to take.
On the other hand, I set it to open a link as a new tab by default, and that seems to work.
In any event, I'm somewhat tied to Dolphin because with the addition of the LastPass and XMarks plugins I can keep my bookmarks and passwords synced with my desktop AND still use Flash. So far as I know it's the only browser that can do all of this.
It is.
I'm running CM10.
I've tried the default "Browser", Dolphin and Chrome.
They're all slow. By slow I mean "slow to load and render the page."
Using my PC feels 2-3-4-5x's faster.
Is this normal ? Are other tablets the same?
I never really used the stock browser ( i suppose I could take out the microSD card and test ).
I find the HD+ is superb for reading books (I've already cranked thru 4 books since buying it in December ) and superlative for PDFs/magazines.
^-- which is the main purpose I bought it for, so I'm happy with it in that regard.
But man. The web browsing stinks.
Hi,
you didn't decribe what is the config of your desktop
I'm using CM10 and Chrome or Browser and to my experience web browsing is as fast as on Ipad2. Which is ok by my standards.
Browser on stock is a little slower by my experience but also ok.
To know what slow is, you should try browsers on Nook Color for example )
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It is.
I'm running CM10.
I've tried the default "Browser", Dolphin and Chrome.
They're all slow. By slow I mean "slow to load and render the page."
Using my PC feels 2-3-4-5x's faster.
Is this normal ? Are other tablets the same?
I never really used the stock browser ( i suppose I could take out the microSD card and test ).
I find the HD+ is superb for reading books (I've already cranked thru 4 books since buying it in December ) and superlative for PDFs/magazines.
^-- which is the main purpose I bought it for, so I'm happy with it in that regard.
But man. The web browsing stinks.
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Hi!
First of all - your PC is probably much faster than a tablet with a mobile CPU @ 1,5Ghz and 1GB RAM.
Did you try Firefox Beta or Dolphin beta?
For me the Nook HD+ speed it totally ok - I am using Firefox beta most of the time.
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Hi!
First of all - your PC is probably much faster than a tablet with a mobile CPU @ 1,5Ghz and 1GB RAM.
Did you try Firefox Beta or Dolphin beta?
For me the Nook HD+ speed it totally ok - I am using Firefox beta most of the time.
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Yes, my PC is fast.
I'm running Dolphin as the default browser; I haven't tried FF.
My smart-phone is probably ~ similar in speed to my tablet, and it's faster than the tablet.
I type 'news.yahoo.com' into my tablet, and I sit for 5 seconds before the initial page load comes in... and it continues slow.
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Yes, my PC is fast.
I'm running Dolphin as the default browser; I haven't tried FF.
My smart-phone is probably ~ similar in speed to my tablet, and it's faster than the tablet.
I type 'news.yahoo.com' into my tablet, and I sit for 5 seconds before the initial page load comes in... and it continues slow.
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I would recommend trying Firefox beta...for me its definitely faster than Dolphin at least on devices with enough memory - on my phone FF is slower than Dolphin...
How is the Wireless connection of your Nook HD+?
I recommend setting your WiFi to 11n only - if possible and if you don't need 11g/b - I had slowdowns because of bad connections and the reason was the router connecting in 11b with ther tablet instead of 11n...
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I would recommend trying Firefox beta...for me its definitely faster than Dolphin at least on devices with enough memory - on my phone FF is slower than Dolphin...
How is the Wireless connection of your Nook HD+?
I recommend setting your WiFi to 11n only - if possible and if you don't need 11g/b - I had slowdowns because of bad connections and the reason was the router connecting in 11b with ther tablet instead of 11n...
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The WiFi connection and speed to my tablet was one of the first things I checked.
It's fast enough ( 500KB/sec->1MB/sec ).
Trying to narrow down "what is slow", it must be the interpreting of the site.
Javascript interpreting? Page rendering? I don't know -- I do know that opening a new webpage is almost always met with a +5 second delay where a thin blue line of "loading/rendering/interpreting" is going while I stare at a blank page.
I will install FF beta tonight and see if it's better. :good:
Most browsers are crashing at the sight of an animated GIF on webpages. So far, Boat Browser, CM Browser, Maxthon Browser, and Naked Browser crash at the sight of the animated GIF attached to this thread below.
Chrome and Dolphin are the only two browsers that aren't crashing while viewing the image. Dolphin is unusable at the moment because it hasn't been updated yet, and I don't care for the UI and options in Chrome.
Having said that, this problem doesn't exist when using the same browsers and viewing the same image on my Note 3 running Kit Kat. In fact, I have zero browser issues on my Note 3.
Another browser issue I'm having is with the loading of previous tabs. If I open two tabs, then close the second tab, the first one loads relatively slowly (graphically). This is the case with Boat Browser (and the others listed above), but not with Chrome. This problem is also not present on my Note 3 with any browser.
I'm not sure where the browsers store tabs (RAM or disk), but my Note 3 is faster loading tabs than the Nexus, which is pretty sad, in my opinion. Scrolling webpages is faster and smoother on the Nexus, but that's about it.
And frankly with 3 GB's of RAM, I don't know why a browser would load tabs from disk instead of RAM, which could mean that the RAM on this phone is slower than the RAM on the Note 3.
I've used 3 different ROMs, 3 different kernels. Enabled "Force GPU" in dev options. Even unencrypted in case the browser was reading and writing from the disk instead of RAM. The slow graphical loading of previous tabs is still present on the Nexus 6 no matter what I try.
I'm > < this close to selling my Nexus because of all the unstable browsers and slow graphics. I've had nothing but constant crashing of browsers. And the slow graphic loading of previous tabs on this phone which is non-existent on my Note 3 is also disappointing. I've read around the forums where people have had graphics issues with games that don't exist on other phones.
I've reduced the screen size from 1440 down to 1080, causing less strain on the GPU, and the slow graphics issue was still there in the browsers.
I love the customizeability, screen size, and openness of the Nexus. But at this point, that's where my love for this phone ends. My Note 3 is more stable.
Anyone have any suggestions or input? A little unhappy and disappointed at this point.
** Edit to add: I understand that apps may not be updated or optimized for the 1440 screen size and for Android 5.x. But app developers have had how long now to update their apps? Not really an excuse.
If you're that unhappy with your N6, and are unwilling to use a browser that is updated and actually works, go back to your beloved Note 3. There's the validation you're looking for.
It's all just an illusion
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Most browsers are crashing at the sight of an animated GIF on webpages. So far, Boat Browser, CM Browser, Maxthon Browser, and Naked Browser crash at the sight of the animated GIF attached to this thread below.
Chrome and Dolphin are the only two browsers that aren't crashing while viewing the image. Dolphin is unusable at the moment because it hasn't been updated yet, and I don't care for the UI and options in Chrome.
Having said that, this problem doesn't exist when using the same browsers and viewing the same image on my Note 3 running Kit Kat. In fact, I have zero browser issues on my Note 3.
Another browser issue I'm having is with the loading of previous tabs. If I open two tabs, then close the second tab, the first one loads relatively slowly (graphically). This is the case with Boat Browser (and the others listed above), but not with Chrome. This problem is also not present on my Note 3 with any browser.
I'm not sure where the browsers store tabs (RAM or disk), but my Note 3 is faster loading tabs than the Nexus, which is pretty sad, in my opinion. Scrolling webpages is faster and smoother on the Nexus, but that's about it.
And frankly with 3 GB's of RAM, I don't know why a browser would load tabs from disk instead of RAM, which could mean that the RAM on this phone is slower than the RAM on the Note 3.
I've used 3 different ROMs, 3 different kernels. Enabled "Force GPU" in dev options. Even unencrypted in case the browser was reading and writing from the disk instead of RAM. The slow graphical loading of previous tabs is still present on the Nexus 6 no matter what I try.
I'm > < this close to selling my Nexus because of all the unstable browsers and slow graphics. I've had nothing but constant crashing of browsers. And the slow graphic loading of previous tabs on this phone which is non-existent on my Note 3 is also disappointing. I've read around the forums where people have had graphics issues with games that don't exist on other phones.
I've reduced the screen size from 1440 down to 1080, causing less strain on the GPU, and the slow graphics issue was still there in the browsers.
I love the customizeability, screen size, and openness of the Nexus. But at this point, that's where my love for this phone ends. My Note 3 is more stable.
Anyone have any suggestions or input? A little unhappy and disappointed at this point.
** Edit to add: I understand that apps may not be updated or optimized for the 1440 screen size and for Android 5.x. But app developers have had how long now to update their apps? Not really an excuse.
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I don't have any if these issues.
trickster2369 said:
If you're that unhappy with your N6, and are unwilling to use a browser that is updated and actually works, go back to your beloved Note 3. There's the validation you're looking for.
It's all just an illusion
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Oh, I'm not unhappy. You do make a valid point.