Has anyone else had an occasional scrolling lag in situations? It's happened to be on the Program List where the Program icons don't load immediately. Also, most noticeably in apps such as Beezz the scrolling is laggy... Is it just me, or are others experiencing the same...?
Early bump as I'm trying to decide whether a Hard Reset is in order, maybe I installed something that didn't fare too well. Thanks guys.
80% (if not more) of the 3rd apps are NOT optimized (or rushed diplomatically saying) for Windows Phone 7 OS. HTC Hub for example wasn't as fast as the new update for it.
I can make a slight lag (more of a chopping than lag) ONLY IF I visit WPCentral page which chops on my browser than after 4-5 minutes it disappears. So I am pretty sure it's not optimised well rather than a lag because let's face it , the hardware is there and the OS is damn fast.
Have you also experienced start menu icons taking their sweet times to show up?
I've seen some choppiness on 3rd party apps. Agreed that it is a developer issue as they learn how to make apps for wp7. beezz is better than it was, but for best results, m.twitter.com is your best option.
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Have you also experienced start menu icons taking their sweet times to show up?
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In almost 1 month of use, never I have. To continue my initial post, that is one of the reason why I haven't installed many 3rd apps. Personally I hate having a sleek OS and then enter an app and feel like Android.. In fact besides YouTube and Adobe Reader I have only 4 other apps installed.
Same here. I can repeatedly reproduce the program list icon thing by scrolling to the bottom of the list, then hitting the home key, it'll fly to the top of the list and you'll see "white stars" before it switches to the home screen instead of the icons. Happens in random situations too, this is just a consistent occurrence..
I'd like to point out that as a developer, the choppy scrolling is a platform issue with the way Microsoft have design listbox scrolling - Silverlight defaults to virtualising the list box and recycling the listbox items - and this works fine of the PC where there is enough processing power to recycle and virtualise whilst you scroll. However, with Windows Phone 7's limited processing power, and Microsoft's very unoptimised seeming implementation, listboxes can't virtualise data fast enough. Ergo, voodoo is needed to get it working to scroll smoothly You could turn off virtualisation, but then that greatly increases RAM usage, which in Silverlight is already and lot, and then you get comparatively long load & draw & render times, and blargh. There's no one good way to do it yet for long lists - not until Microsoft go and optimise the Silverlight platform better.
I'm assuming the program list icon thing is to save RAM - you can also get it with the Home screen tiles if you have a lot of tiles on it - and saving RAM is something Windows Phone is going to like to do, seeing as the apps and the Silverlight platform use up so much RAM
i had my hd7 for almost a month now and experienced lag on it. there was also an instance that icons of the apps i installed via market place took a few seconds to load up. theres also this occasional slow response time of the unlock screen. i still have 9gb of space though
Hey Guys,
Android multitasks like a boss, unlike iOS it doesn't pause it's apps on pressing the home key, while completely letting it stop running code, but i'm still missing something in android:
For example, when i'm at home and i connect my phone to my speakers in the living room, i sometimes use youtube to play tracks that i don't have on my storage. This works fine but when the track is nearly finished and i switch tabs in the dolphin browser to open another song before the track is over, the playback immediately stops because i changed tabs.
Or when i'm listening to a song on youtube through and i want to go back to the homescreen to open another app, the playback also stops.
I know it drains the battery like crazy if the browser would continue, but i wonder if there isn't an app or something that would let android run a couple of non-system apps at a time once in a while.
I hope you guys know something
Thanks
I have the same issue, and I use the YouTube App. I think it's because Google assume's you're watching the video, not just listening to it.
Radio/Music Apps don't have this limitation. Try any these three FREE Internet Radio stations and you'll be hooked: Pandora Internet Radio, TuneIn Radio, iHeartRadio and Sky.FM Internet Radio.
You can't be serious, Android doesn't have "real multitasking". Not even ICS.
You can separate "Multitasking" into 6 categories.
1) True Multitasking - you can see AND interact with two (or more) RUNNING applications.
2) True Multitasking - you can see two (or more) RUNNING applications, only interact with them one at a time.
3) Multitasking - you can only see and interact with one application but all other applications RUN in the background.
4) Pseudo-Multitasking - you can see and interact with one application but only RUN several applications in the background.
5) Pseudo-Multitasking - you can see and interact with one application and can SAVE STATE (to ram) other applications.
6) No Multitasking - you can see and interact with one application and can see a list of other applications which can be called upon.
The only mobiles that can multitask (that I know of) is the N900/N9/N950, the Blackberry Playbook, Palm Touchpad/Pre/Pixi/etc.
Android can technically do True Multitasking (or even True Multitasking2) but it needs to be hacked and made to do so in a very different way, as Inoxos shows:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7E1ckOoeRJg&feature=player_embedded
Right now, the best you can get is ICS Pseudo-Multitasking were the core services RUN in the background, you can run a few (6 iirc) applications in the background, and have unlimited* applications SAVE STATE.... and put them into a *Multitasking List* The reason for this move by Google is simple: Battery life. However, for smart users aka power users this is quite intrusive and we rather have True Multitasking because we know what we are doing.
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However, for smart users aka power users this is quite intrusive and we rather have True Multitasking because we know what we are doing.
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I understand your point, but isn't this why Android is open source?
When you buy a device, you are getting a "consumer level" OS, which isn't really configured for power user - this is why the manufacturers go to such lengths to lock down the device.
What I would like to see in Android is the ability to designate a process/application as unkillable by Android task management, so that I can ensure that when I switch task, that process isn't killed. I could achieve this via a custom AOSP build, but I don't want it enough to actually bother doing it myself!
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Real multitasking is possible but it must be enabled in the app. I use Igo navigation which can be forced to run in the background, and just today i had navigation running and giving verbal instructions whilst listening to a podcast all while browsing the web. If thats not multitasking i dont know what is.
Saying android cant do real multitasking is rubbish im sorry but thats the nicest way i could have put it. Go back to your iphone lol or learn how to use android properly before making such comments.
Using your definitions there If i can run navigation in the background while using the headset to control the music app and at the same time use the browser normaly what type of multitasking is that? All 3 apps are running simultaniously and I can control 2 apps at once. Whilst this is happening I can be downloading something from the market and answer a phone call.
Nice long post full of crap info you have there.
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Real multitasking is possible but it must be enabled in the app. I use Igo navigation which can be forced to run in the background, and just today i had navigation running and giving verbal instructions whilst listening to a podcast all while browsing the web. If thats not multitasking i dont know what is.
Saying android cant do real multitasking is rubbish im sorry but thats the nicest way i could have put it. Go back to your iphone lol or learn how to use android properly before making such comments.
Using your definitions there If i can run navigation in the background while using the headset to control the music app and at the same time use the browser normaly what type of multitasking is that? All 3 apps are running simultaniously and I can control 2 apps at once. Whilst this is happening I can be downloading something from the market and answer a phone call.
Nice long post full of crap info you have there.
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@martcerv i know android can multitask like that, on an iphone you can let the music play in the background too.. but igo navigation and music are ment to work in the background.. i was wondering if there's a way you can choose yourself what apps you want to run in the background. Because you can't let the browser run in the background
@ekin, will ICS let me to select the browser to be one of the 6 apps that run in the background?
I think its down to each app, by default most aren't enabled to run in the background but the os is capable of it. Even igo will only work in background if you change the advanced settings to work that way.
As mobiles are limited in ram and battery, most app developers trend to disable this feature otherwise lots of people would complain that there system its lagging and battery life is being killed by the app. I'd like to see an option in most aps so people that want it can use it but they will be aware of the possible performance and battery issues.
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I think its down to each app, by default most aren't enabled to run in the background but the os is capable of it. Even igo will only work in background if you change the advanced settings to work that way.
As mobiles are limited in ram and battery, most app developers trend to disable this feature otherwise lots of people would complain that there system its lagging and battery life is being killed by the app. I'd like to see an option in most aps so people that want it can use it but they will be aware of the possible performance and battery issues.
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The solution for that is for android's multitasking capabilities to advance further to the decree of Maemo/WebOS/etc and a smart ux overhaul that makes such process easy.
For instance, look at Win7's Superbar. Many years were spent getting it to its current state, and it handles this problem in a cinch!
@martcev
What you described is Pseudo-Multitasking as I have defined. As stated by another, even iOS does this (but less advanced). If you use a device from a different (multitasking) mobileOS you might actually grasp my comment.
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The solution for that is for android's multitasking capabilities to advance further to the decree of Maemo/WebOS/etc and a smart ux overhaul that makes such process easy.
For instance, look at Win7's Superbar. Many years were spent getting it to its current state, and it handles this problem in a cinch!
@martcev
What you described is Pseudo-Multitasking as I have defined. As stated by another, even iOS does this (but less advanced). If you use a device from a different (multitasking) mobileOS you might actually grasp my comment.
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Kangal, I get you totally.
I recently dropped my N900 on the floor and finally killed it. I chose to get a SGS3 as a replacement because I already got my wife a N9 a while ago so I don't see the point of getting another one. Anyway, I've been trying to find a way to true multitask on my SGS3 like Maemo does but it seems that it's not possible (maybe at least not on stock). I like the SGS3 for its screen and the fact that it can handle videos in pretty much any resolution but I can't help to think that I actually own a "dumbphone" for the fact that it can't true multitask.
I mean, if it can't multitask properly, what's the point of having 4 cores?
there used to be an opensource Window switcher on windows mobile, same maker as wififofum that rocked. its funny it dissapeared and never was implemented for android. That rocked
It indeed is strange that android doesnt have it natively, there are paid solutions on the market thought
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Hey Guys,
Android multitasks like a boss, unlike iOS it doesn't pause it's apps on pressing the home key, while completely letting it stop running code, but i'm still missing something in android:
For example, when i'm at home and i connect my phone to my speakers in the living room, i sometimes use youtube to play tracks that i don't have on my storage. This works fine but when the track is nearly finished and i switch tabs in the dolphin browser to open another song before the track is over, the playback immediately stops because i changed tabs.
Or when i'm listening to a song on youtube through and i want to go back to the homescreen to open another app, the playback also stops.
I know it drains the battery like crazy if the browser would continue, but i wonder if there isn't an app or something that would let android run a couple of non-system apps at a time once in a while.
I hope you guys know something
Thanks
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the only problem with Android's multitasking is that it drains battery. there's so much applications running in background, and i have to manually kill them. to minimize my manually killing these applications, i have to check their settings and for those applications that have sync, i have to increase the sync timing for example from every 5 mins to 24 hours. its a nightmare to go through all my applications (i figured it out late), and it gives me headache when some applications there's no such option!
i know for some applications it is useful for example if u want to download something in a different application while doing something else with another application. but i dont download much(well... its a phone, not a computer). so because of that, i really hate Android's multitask approach. i hope at some point, there's an option where Android can switch multitask configuration, where i would love to use iOS's solution, where they pauses background apps... it would certainly solve S2's battery problem.
Actually android can does allow true multitasking just like on your desktop. It not android that has the limitation, its some of the apps. My wife's SGS2 on gingerbread 2.3.6 can run Aircalc, floating browser & overskreen all on the screen at the exact same time running simultaneously & I can still cycle through my homescreen without minizing anything. This is straight stock right out of the box. Android has had the capability for years, there just hasn't been many apps that take advantage of it. Android is the most powerful, versatile OS out there because the possibilities are endless
lol, just cause an app has a workaround doesnt mean that the OS shouldnt have it natively... thats the issue, it should be natively supported, not random by some genious developers...
If that were true than you can program any app on any os and call the os genious... because a programmer invents something... I remember people building awesome stuff in dos, that didnt make dos awesome lol.
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I made multitasking alot better - even on sense 4.0 and 4.1
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1900626
Testers welcome.
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I made multitasking alot better - even on sense 4.0 and 4.1
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1900626
Testers welcome.
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zeppelinrox you rock with yer scripts, automagically lmao
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Popup play its multitasking
I can write here.. Whatsapp, mail while watching videos.. Also power amp running music and do the same.. That's multitasking... Would be cool to let YouTube play the video in the background.. Or save the state of a website when you stop using the browser..
Other than that I don't see any other use
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You're confusing multitasking with a band-aid fix that's good for only one single purpose.
Call it what ever you want.. Multi-tasking(wiki) : "In computing, multitasking is a method where multiple tasks, also known as processes, are performed during the same period of time. The tasks share common processing resources, such as a CPU and main memory"
When ever I can accomplish this no matter what.. This can be called multitasking....
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Back in DOS days you could only run 1 task at a time.. Play a game? Sure but you could not do anything else...
Develop software in gwbasic? Sure but again you can not do anything else.. Copy some files from a diskette to another? Sure but once again you can not do anything else.. Mean no multitasking allowed
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lol some dudes created a shell, in which a windowed environment allowed multitasking
anyways strictly speaking your correct. But then my requirements of multitasking is a bit higher
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multitasking app?
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I made multitasking alot better - even on sense 4.0 and 4.1
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1900626
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Sounds quite promising. Is it possible to make an app that you can adjust the number of simultaneous tasks allowed. Simiar to, say setting, maximum cpu using gui? I'm sure many people that are not familar with all the inner workings of android would appreciate having this capability.
Thanks for your efforts!
Generally CM9 11/11 Nightly remains very stable. Using the TP in this configuration in many places I would have used a LT.
Recently added two items: (1) The camera fix. Camera is 'OK' not great, but realize the HW is really dated. Besides, in lighted conditions it is fine for Skype; (2) Installed Flash.
General stability remains unchanged. Even lost complete charge twice and recharged with no issues using the TouchStone.
One issue that has cropped up that is quite annoying is the instability of the cursor in Facebook and Linked-in that I didn't have before. The cursor will jump around quite a bit after changing its position, back-spacing, or deleting characters. I do use Swiftkey for tablets, but have been since moving to CM9 11/11. Only recently have I run into the cursor issues in those sites. Otherwise the cursor is stable in on-unit apps. Before a systematic look int to the reasons (deleting other apps), I just thought I'd ask if others with Flash, camera, and/or Swiftkey has experienced this issue.
Has anyone had similar issues? Is it because the text fields of those sites handle input differently? Thanks in advance.
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Generally CM9 11/11 Nightly remains very stable. Using the TP in this configuration in many places I would have used a LT.
Recently added two items: (1) The camera fix. Camera is 'OK' not great, but realize the HW is really dated. Besides, in lighted conditions it is fine for Skype; (2) Installed Flash.
General stability remains unchanged. Even lost complete charge twice and recharged with no issues using the TouchStone.
One issue that has cropped up that is quite annoying is the instability of the cursor in Facebook and Linked-in that I didn't have before. The cursor will jump around quite a bit after changing its position, back-spacing, or deleting characters. I do use Swiftkey for tablets, but have been since moving to CM9 11/11. Only recently have I run into the cursor issues in those sites. Otherwise the cursor is stable in on-unit apps.
Has anyone had similar issues. Is it because the text fields of those sites handle input differently? Thanks in advance.
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Hi I'm not familiar with swiftkey but with the standard keyboard you can enable the volume button to move the cursor to move backwards and forward also hackers keyboard has this feature built in .
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Just tried volume key to move the cursor with standard keyboard and it's not there , gone back to Hackers .
Re losing charge an app called Automatelt can shutdown your tablet at any battery level you choose , which saves a lot of worry . I still use it even though I also have a touchstone.
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Hi I'm not familiar with swiftkey but with the standard keyboard you can enable the volume button to move the cursor to move backwards and forward also hackers keyboard has this feature built in .
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Just tried volume key to move the cursor with standard keyboard and it's not there , gone back to Hackers .
Re losing charge an app called Automatelt can shutdown your tablet at any battery level you choose , which saves a lot of worry . I still use it even though I also have a touchstone.
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Good stuff. Thanks.
I'm still wondering if something else is going on with other apps I've installed. Guess I'll just have to bite the bullet and start uninstalling apps.
I would like to know if CM is needed to do the following or if there is another way.
(Ive only had the Nook for a couple weeks, not sure whats out there)
1) Use a USB thumb drive for MP3 storage/playback. (found this)
2) Hooking the Nook HD to my TVs HDMI port.
3) Possibly use a blue-tooth keyboard
Currently i use:
- Google play for programs.
- Download ebooks and pdfs from alternative sources but do use the Kindle app from time to time (but have that installed on a PC along with Calibre),
- Dont think i have used the B&N app for anything yet, so if that is lost, it will not be that big of a deal (would be nice to have it though).
Alittle background:
I am not new to "flashing" a device, but is there is no need to then i dont.
Ive had an ipod for years running RockBox (and love it)
Been running a ubuntu based server and desktop for a few years.
Any suggestions or guidence would be great.
- thanks...
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In case it helps others...
I installed CM 10.1.3
1) the USB storage worked great as per-link above.
2) have not tried
3) tried a Logitech MX5000 ("desktop") keyboard just to see what happens, they made the hand-shake but nothing after that... i did not try too hard.
Found a B&N Nook (the green N) app (.apk from an alternative site) and it seams work fine.
Dont know if you can get the USB working with-out CM, but it works great with it.
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A key issue with stock Nook rom is performance. The library sync is a resource hog and randomly results in stutter for apps. Movies, games etc. it also results in battery drain.
For this reason alone, stock is best served a quick death. CM 10.1 and Nova is a good combo and then in performance settings: Turn on 16bit transparencies and set ram to "purge assets".
Added: Any other performance settings appear to actually downgrade performance.
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A key issue with stock Nook rom is performance. The library sync is a resource hog and randomly results in stutter for apps. Movies, games etc. it also results in battery drain.
For this reason alone, stock is best served a quick death. CM 10.1 and Nova is a good combo and then in performance settings: Turn on 16bit transparencies and set ram to "purge assets".
Added: Any other performance settings appear to actually downgrade performance.
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Where are these performance settings located?
You go into About device and tape the rom version several times. I think that is it to unlock it, but a quick search will get the right steps if wrong. Need a non stock rom to get the options.
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You go into About device and tape the rom version several times. I think that is it to unlock it, but a quick search will get the right steps if wrong. Need a non stock rom to get the options.
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Found them,, thanks
rushless said:
A key issue with stock Nook rom is performance. The library sync is a resource hog and randomly results in stutter for apps. Movies, games etc. it also results in battery drain.
For this reason alone, stock is best served a quick death. CM 10.1 and Nova is a good combo and then in performance settings: Turn on 16bit transparencies and set ram to "purge assets".
Added: Any other performance settings appear to actually downgrade performance.
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Thanks for the tips, just tweaked them now, will see how it works tomarrow.
As for a launcher, ive been use the GO one but do have Nova installed.
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Has anyone noticed that the sides of the screen when playing certain games is actually badly scaled, so the game is essentially playing off screen.
Only about 5mm on each side. But in certain circumstances you can miss something.
I use FHD, couple of the games I've noticed it on is Arkanoid Vs Space invaders (great game)
Sonic forces (not so Great)
Same thing on QHD.
Is this just a bug in OnePlus' new system? Or is it an Android 12 /12.1 issue?
Cheers
PS: notice the left side is missing text
dladz said:
Has anyone noticed that the sides of the screen when playing certain games is actually badly scaled, so the game is essentially playing off screen.
Only about 5mm on each side. But in certain circumstances you can miss something.
I use FHD, couple of the games I've noticed it on is Arkanoid Vs Space invaders (great game)
Sonic forces (not so Great)
Same thing on QHD.
Is this just a bug in OnePlus' new system? Or is it an Android 12 /12.1 issue?
Cheers
PS: notice the left side is missing text
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I just tried to duplicate what you mentioned but was unable to replicate this. Did you by any chance change the fonts/display/installed a different font? I do recall from my OnePro 7 days when i had display font/zoom combo set too high and I was unable to use few apps with the same effect you mentioned here. Just a thought
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I just tried to duplicate what you mentioned but was unable to replicate this. Did you by any chance change the fonts/display/installed a different font? I do recall from my OnePro 7 days when i had display font/zoom combo set too high and I was unable to use few apps with the same effect you mentioned here. Just a thought
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Oooh I'm not too sure but I have only replicated what I used to have on my 8 pro, never had this issue.
Let me have a look. It's worth a punt.
I am getting old so need slightly bigger fonts
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I just tried to duplicate what you mentioned but was unable to replicate this. Did you by any chance change the fonts/display/installed a different font? I do recall from my OnePro 7 days when i had display font/zoom combo set too high and I was unable to use few apps with the same effect you mentioned here. Just a thought
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Here's my display settings for font and display.
Both at default.
DPI is also unchanged.
Tested all settings within scaling with no affect.
Also this does not affect all apps, only the two I mentioned and potentially others.. if you didn't test with them apps then it wouldn't be a valid test.
Unless you did. Then I'm stumped.