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Motorola got it so right with the Droid and then royally screwed it up with the Milestone by locking down it's bootloader, what are the odds with the new Droid X?
On a slight off topic speculation, same question for the Droid 2?
Charusen said:
Motorola got it so right with the Droid and then royally screwed it up with the Milestone by locking down it's bootloader, what are the odds with the new Droid X?
On a slight off topic speculation, same question for the Droid 2?
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Taking into account the number of previous models listed above, I'd say it's a 50/50 shot
cross my fingers, hope to die, stick a needle in my eye... lol
i can almost bet that the bootloader is locked. motorola said a few months back all their future phones will have locked bootloaders. just hope it can be hacked like the milestone, but desnt take as long.
bizzshow26 said:
i can almost bet that the bootloader is locked. motorola said a few months back all their future phones will have locked bootloaders. just hope it can be hacked like the milestone, but desnt take as long.
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This is the only thing that would make me return the Droid X. As far as I know, the Milestone bootloader still hasn't been cracked, and months on from its release, it's not looking that likely. I'm using the first 30 days to see if I can put custom roms on there or not -- if I can't, I'll go return it and wait for a better phone.
just read and no the milestone bootloader hasnt been unlocked. just hope they dont lock down this bootloader if they do i will keep my droid around for hacking perposes
If I cant put custom roms on this phone, I will not be getting it.
we may have to wait and see if their going to lock it down. i pray not, i want to keep custom roms but would rather overclock and keep the stock usablility or just theme my phone
From what I've heard, the bootloader is signed. Does anybody know if there's been any progress on the Milestone with the kexec method?
Are retail devices have Locked BootLoaders.
G1BRICKED said:
Are retail devices have Locked BootLoaders.
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That's a bit of a bummer, but I mean the phone is just plainly better than an Evo. Even if it can't flash roms, having root inside the OS is still ok. I mean that way we can do wifi tethering and stuff like that.
What really impresses me from this phone is the GPU. The Evo's sucks.
jigglywiggly said:
That's a bit of a bummer, but I mean the phone is just plainly better than an Evo. Even if it can't flash roms, having root inside the OS is still ok. I mean that way we can do wifi tethering and stuff like that.
What really impresses me from this phone is the GPU. The Evo's sucks.
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Yeah, the GPU in this is really helping to sell me on it. TBH I don't mind not having custom ROMs (Android custom ROM's aren't nearly as necessary as WinMo custom ROMs IMO), but I really want to be able to overclock, since hopefully this will be able to get up to 1.2-1.3GHz, at least.
iamrobk said:
Yeah, the GPU in this is really helping to sell me on it. TBH I don't mind not having custom ROMs (Android custom ROM's aren't nearly as necessary as WinMo custom ROMs IMO), but I really want to be able to overclock, since hopefully this will be able to get up to 1.2-1.3GHz, at least.
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I am sure it can do those frequencies provided someone hacks the bootloader. But I have a feeling even if the snapdragon is at 1.2ghz it probably is equal to the Droid x's 1ghz OMAP proc.
It's just a better phone, it just has a bit odd stylistically, thank goodness the front looks smexy.
I wish Froyo would come out to it earlier, but it's not a must. (I want Flash )
With all the competition I can't see myself picking this up with a locked boot loader. Development efforts will seriously be non existent. Foolish on motorola's part. They gain nothing by locking it and ultimately lose sales.
Can someone clarify: an earlier poster said that the bootloader had been accessed, but the rest of the posts are going along the lines that the bootloader is NOT unlocked...
does anyone have any clarity for this one
timing?
Using the Droid as an example anyone remember how long it took "them" to figure out whether the bootloader was locked? Trying to figure out if this will be determined before I trying to pick one up on the 15th.
Wow this has been eye opening. I have been a long time winmo user and love flashing ROM's. I'm about to switch to verizon and was already sold on the X but after reading about the locked boot loader I think I'll stick with HTC devices, or at least the original moto droid. This will be a deal breaker sorry moto
There is a person at androidforums who has a Droid X. He is doing a Q&A right now. He has been asked twice (once by me) if the bootloader is locked or not. He is unsure how to check this (as am I). Figured someone here may be able to help him out. Since I cannot post links the thread is "Droid X in my hands on monday". Hopefully something good will come out of this.
jte6263 said:
Wow this has been eye opening. I have been a long time winmo user and love flashing ROM's. I'm about to switch to verizon and was already sold on the X but after reading about the locked boot loader I think I'll stick with HTC devices, or at least the original moto droid. This will be a deal breaker sorry moto
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All Winmo / HTC phones are locked at the beginning and you get a great unlocker usually from Olipro. It usually takes a month or so for this to happen. Not sure why you would think an Android device would be different or why this would be a deal breaker for you. I am sure there will be someone who knows enough about the bootloader who will figure out how to unlock it.
symyn said:
All Winmo / HTC phones are locked at the beginning and you get a great unlocker usually from Olipro. It usually takes a month or so for this to happen. Not sure why you would think an Android device would be different or why this would be a deal breaker for you. I am sure there will be someone who knows enough about the bootloader who will figure out how to unlock it.
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I would feel more at ease if the precedence set by the milestone didn't exist...
I am currently a XT720 user, and had rooted and Apps2carded my new great machine (used HD2 android before)... however, i found that my new supermachine is lack of ram (only 45Mb in average...) .Therefore, i am thinking is it possible to use the memory of SD card to build "virtual ram" just like what the guys doing in HD2...
Does any one agree this idea and can give a big hand for me....
If I understand correctly, you're looking for something like swap space? If so, there have been countless attempts at getting this to work. However, all have failed because we lack one simple feature...an unlocked bootloader.
Even if there are other ways to do it, it most likely requires access to the bootloader, and hence we are back to square one. For now, we can only rely on good task managers and overclocking to get some more juice out of our Milestones.
MrP.
Dear MrP.
Understood your answer and thank you very much for your information. The key is to get the right to get into the bootloader...... seems far away....-_-...but I still hope it can become true in the road of android development....
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With a 2048Bit RSA encryption? Unlikely...^^
RW-Speed on your SD-Card is to slow to be used as RAM anyway..
m0jo said:
RW-Speed on your SD-Card is to slow to be used as RAM anyway..
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I had swap setup on my G1 and it made one massive difference anything with a class 6 is fast enough for it and on the milestone would make a massive difference with the Desire HD rom and sense loading.. It's a shame that we can't get it cause it'd make me happy until I get enough cash to get a milestone 2 and hopefully be able to break the bootloader...
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I had swap setup on my G1 and it made one massive difference anything with a class 6 is fast enough for it and on the milestone would make a massive difference with the Desire HD rom and sense loading.. It's a shame that we can't get it cause it'd make me happy until I get enough cash to get a milestone 2 and hopefully be able to break the bootloader...
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i got a class6 and i tested the new DesireHD image on my SdCard, as its a huge 400MB+ image odex'd, and its actually slower although its odex'd for little loading improvements.. so putting everything on the sdcard makes it slow.
using menus and starting apps were unacceptable..
my conclusion is that using internal flash + deodex was much faster, so no good..
but! maybe its just a badly compiled ext2 module we have on milestone..
My only experience with Android thus far has been with the Samsung Galaxy S and S2. I am extremely excited about the One, and I have two important questions that I have not been able to gain clarity on that are factoring into some decisions. I appreciate any owners of the One -- and any past or current HTC owners in general -- that can give me insight.
1. My GS2 has 16GB internal storage, and I have a 16GB external SD card. Both storage spaces are pretty much maxed out, with about 30 apps and pictures, video and music. My question is: What is the storage "footprint" of the base rom and apps of the One? How much space is available once basic rom/apps are installed? This will factor into my decision whether to go with the 32GB or 64 GB version (I'm with AT&T).
2. I've always been able to root and customize my Samsung phones fairly easily. Customs roms, themes, kernels, nandroid backups, titanium backups, etc., have always been smooth and simple. Is it the same experience on HTC and the One? I've been doing a lot of reading on the forums and online over the last few weeks, and it seems a bit more complicated. (I'm still not clear as to what can and cannot be done without S-OFF, for example.) As I'm on AT&T and would be getting an AT&T One, I'm wondering how easily this phone will be rooted. Does it need to go through HTCDev site? Are AT&T phones locked out of this process? If yes, is there typically a way around this? I really want the flexibility of custom roms/kernels, which have made an immense difference in my past experience with Samsung phones. Any and all clarity on this would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks in advance for your help!
saditch said:
My only experience with Android thus far has been with the Samsung Galaxy S and S2. I am extremely excited about the One, and I have two important questions that I have not been able to gain clarity on that are factoring into some decisions. I appreciate any owners of the One -- and any past or current HTC owners in general -- that can give me insight.
1. My GS2 has 16GB internal storage, and I have a 16GB external SD card. Both storage spaces are pretty much maxed out, with about 30 apps and pictures, video and music. My question is: What is the storage "footprint" of the base rom and apps of the One? How much space is available once basic rom/apps are installed? This will factor into my decision whether to go with the 32GB or 64 GB version (I'm with AT&T).
2. I've always been able to root and customize my Samsung phones fairly easily. Customs roms, themes, kernels, nandroid backups, titanium backups, etc., have always been smooth and simple. Is it the same experience on HTC and the One? I've been doing a lot of reading on the forums and online over the last few weeks, and it seems a bit more complicated. (I'm still not clear as to what can and cannot be done without S-OFF, for example.) As I'm on AT&T and would be getting an AT&T One, I'm wondering how easily this phone will be rooted. Does it need to go through HTCDev site? Are AT&T phones locked out of this process? If yes, is there typically a way around this? I really want the flexibility of custom roms/kernels, which have made an immense difference in my past experience with Samsung phones. Any and all clarity on this would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks in advance for your help!
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1. 26GB is available
2. I will let someone else answer this more accurately as I have zero experience with HTC devices.
I can tell u this much...I've owned the s2 and s3...I tried the one x last year when it came out and went back to the s3 because of the multitasking issues and the bootloader being locked...but I saw the one and fell in love...so I sold my s3 and bought a one x to "experiment" with so to speak...I will admit they are both very different phones the HTC vs samsungs...with the Samsung it was stupidly easy to go flash crazy right from the phone with roms and kernels etc...the HTC I noticed is a different story...things (at least on the att version) are more locked down...now mind u I myself am still learning how to work the developmental side of Htc but with the proper tutorials I've managed to root/unlock the bootloader and soff the one x.....but it will take time to learn one how to do this with the HTC one, but there are some programs that developers write that make it more noob proof...but short answer is no the HTC in my opinion is not as easy to flash about like the Samsung s series phone from my experience...
Plus from what I saw there are more Rom/kernel options for the Samsung...but the few I've tried on my one x are good solid roms...I'm using viper on my one x and I love it...really hope they make a Rom for the one
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Hi mate it is very easy to root I've got htc one rooting was a easy but not as easy as galaxy s3 there's a tool on xda to root there's some nice roms already
Yeah as previousl stated there is around 26-27GB storage space. Personally, I found this easier than my Galaxy S2 to root, but that may have been because I was new to Android at the time and my computer always hated Odin... You'd have to unlock bootloader with HTC-Dev and void your warranty unless S-Off can be gained. With S-ON, you can still flash roms and everything, so it's no issue. It isn't like the Tegra HTC One X where the boot.img has to be flashed in fastboot after flashing the rom.
I had the S3 before and must say that was a bit easier to root than having to use the official HTCdev.com method. And it could be cleanly unrooted, which it not possible with the One (can only be re-locked). But at least the latter makes it more or less impossible to hard brick your One. When considering buying the AT&T version, keep an eye on the discussion whether it is possible to S-On the device at all: https://twitter.com/ste1164/status/321554709892694016
Being currently on renovate ROM (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2202696) I am quite content already, though custom ROMs are still fresh at the moment. CyanogenMod however will still take awhile to be released.
Ok so that's one thing tha confuses me with the bootloader being locked...now if it's locked we can still root and flash roms? But not kernels? Or am I wrong?
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1. I figure after the att bloat is added it'll have a little over 25gb of space on the 32.
2. I have very rarely been an early adopter of handsets. Either do to contracts or availability I usually buy a few months after release. If there's no root ability at that time I wait and use the phone till it happens, it always happens. This gives me time to see it there are any defects and need to swap it out. With the popularity of the One I'd surprised if it took till June to get s-off.
This is the 1st time I've preordered.
darkgoon3r96 said:
1. 26GB is available
2. I will let someone else answer this more accurately as I have zero experience with HTC devices.
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Saw on droid life that a little over 8 gigs was used by sense 5 and the stock firmware, about 8.5 actually so there should be a little over 23 gigs usable on the 32
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Having owned several HTC and Samsung devices, I can say without fail that on AT&T, the Samsung devices are easier to root and customize. I fully expect this trend to continue with the One & S4.
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If your bootloader is locked, you can't flash anything. If you do wish to flash stuff, you have to unlock your bootloader using the official htc website (however, do check your phone on issues before doing that because unlocking MIGHT void your warranty).
Even if you've unlocked your bootloader, you still can't do a lot: you first have to flash a custom recovery using fastboot. After you've done that you are good to go.
However!! Boot images can't be flashed using recovery, those have to be done using fastboot. For me this is the only downside of not having s-off. S-off may come however, most snapdragon devices got it (not official ofcourse ) also, I've heard people say that there is a way to flash boot images without the need of a computer on the HTC One.. not sure if this is true though
saditch said:
My only experience with Android thus far has been with the Samsung Galaxy S and S2. I am extremely excited about the One, and I have two important questions that I have not been able to gain clarity on that are factoring into some decisions. I appreciate any owners of the One -- and any past or current HTC owners in general -- that can give me insight.
1. My GS2 has 16GB internal storage, and I have a 16GB external SD card. Both storage spaces are pretty much maxed out, with about 30 apps and pictures, video and music. My question is: What is the storage "footprint" of the base rom and apps of the One? How much space is available once basic rom/apps are installed? This will factor into my decision whether to go with the 32GB or 64 GB version (I'm with AT&T).
2. I've always been able to root and customize my Samsung phones fairly easily. Customs roms, themes, kernels, nandroid backups, titanium backups, etc., have always been smooth and simple. Is it the same experience on HTC and the One? I've been doing a lot of reading on the forums and online over the last few weeks, and it seems a bit more complicated. (I'm still not clear as to what can and cannot be done without S-OFF, for example.) As I'm on AT&T and would be getting an AT&T One, I'm wondering how easily this phone will be rooted. Does it need to go through HTCDev site? Are AT&T phones locked out of this process? If yes, is there typically a way around this? I really want the flexibility of custom roms/kernels, which have made an immense difference in my past experience with Samsung phones. Any and all clarity on this would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks in advance for your help!
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About 25GB
Very very easy to do. HTC unlock, flash custom recovery, flash supersu, flash boot.img, flash custom rom. Done.
If you need a bit of help with this there is a thread dedicated to this in the development section.
We might have a problem since AT&T won't allow the bootloader to be unlocked through HTC Dev. But I'd imagine someone would get the bootloader unlocked within a month or two.
So I have a Nexus 5 that's screen is dying for the second time and I'm considering my options including a replacement phone. The Z3c is obviously a great spec phone and nicely built... I'm attracted to it by it sensible size also. The Nexus 5 I'm coming from is about the limit of size I'm willing to go. However I'm afraid of moving from the open world of easily being able to install custom ROM's and do whatever I like to the phone. I've read up on what's involved in doing this on the Z3c but I still have some reservations:
How stable are the ROM's available for the Z3c, I'm really just interested in a close to stock ROM with bloatware removed, I'n not looking for experimental features/customisations. I've used Cyanogenmod before on another device, and other ROMs and there always seemed to be something that never worked quite as well as the stock ROM. (CM had bluetooth problems for me)
If you go the route of unlocking the bootloader, are the DRM protected features that are lost deal-breaking? Is it possible to achieve what I want (clean ROM, root) without unlocking the bootloader?
Thanks for your help in advance!
I am facing prettu much the same problem...
But i am moving away from a lg g2. ( it does not have the best custom rom support, but it works)
Anyway, i am willing to give a shot to the stock sony android... because of the DRM keys..
Well.. lets see what the people have to say!
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How stable are the ROM's available for the Z3c, I'm really just interested in a close to stock ROM with bloatware removed, I'n not looking for experimental features/customisations. I've used Cyanogenmod before on another device, and other ROMs and there always seemed to be something that never worked quite as well as the stock ROM. (CM had bluetooth problems for me)
If you go the route of unlocking the bootloader, are the DRM protected features that are lost deal-breaking? Is it possible to achieve what I want (clean ROM, root) without unlocking the bootloader?
Thanks for your help in advance!
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1: The Roms here are really stable and most of them are close to stock Roms so you won't have to worry about that, since most of them are near stock Roms you won't have to worry about the stability either.
2: Only you can judge if you're going to miss the DRM features, I didn't and still don't I couldn't wait for root, so I unlocked my BL and I never regretted my choice.
The only downside to this phone is the camera in my opinion, so gather some info about the camera first.
When unlocking the BL you also lose some camera quality (only really noticeable in low light conditions tho).
See my topic (in sig) for pictures).
And you don't have to unlock your BL at all if you don't want to, only if you want to use another Kernel.
Thanks for the info
Dsteppa said:
The only downside to this phone is the camera in my opinion, so gather some info about the camera first.
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I had a look at the photo there and they are not as good as I thought the camera is.. still they are not bad. The Nexus 5 I currently have is not amazing either so it's not really a deal breaker for me. It seems to be the one thing all non-flagship phones compromise on is the quality of the camera.
I've been out of the custom ROM news for almost 8 months. Currently running stock lollipop on a XT1053 with an Unlocked bootloader. The phone is already rooted with TWRP installed.
Basically can anybody who's been using a custom ROM chime in and let me know how it's going and if there are any bugs? I'm looking for something stable, bluetooth and GPS is a must. Looking for speed (my phone is finally starting to show it's age) and battery life the same or better than stock.
So Kernels... I used to flash them on my OG Droid 1. It was easy, flash it and it works. Select governer settings in the ROM. Is it the same thing on these newer phones too?
Welcome aboard ... even though development for our beloved Moto X is winding down, there are still some decent choices. I am a minimalist, so I use Megatron's AOSP rom. It is very quick and responsive ... haven't found any bugs to speak of. It actually makes the device feel like a mini nexus. Good luck with whatever you choose.