Anyone wanting to convert android m betas to this device? I'm not expecting anything but it sure would be cool to have the betas on this device
I would love android m for my moto g 2nd gen
Shawn5162 said:
Just downloaded the Nexus 5 factory image for Android M. I am going to try to port it to the Moto G 2014 (If it's possible) and the OnePlus One (Which I know it possible to port to)
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Is there any custom android 6 ROM that has Moto app? I meant THIS
OR, Does the ROM support the Moto features of :
Moto Display, Moto Voice, Moto Actions, etc... if you know what I mean. If so, give the link for that ROM
I can't afford to lose this, I love this mobile for those features.
OR ELSE, Is there a separate Moto app for a ROM, if so, please give the link for ROM with that Moto app
OR, Does the app directly from the Google Play Store works? If so, give the link for that ROM
Also, if you could give me the default CM13.0 link along with this, I'd be greatful
Here, the ROM I'm asking is totally Android 6.0, Marshmallow and the device is totally MOTO X (2013)
Thank you guys for the concern, you guys rock!
If you want to use Moto display, voice, and etc features, you should stay on stock.
There is no official CM13 for Moto X yet.
You can try Team octOS
http://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-x/development/romghost-team-octos-oct-m-t3324780
Or search XDA forums for unofficial CM based marshmallow ROMs.
MuhammadBilal said:
If you want to use Moto display, voice, and etc features, you should stay on stock.
There is no official CM13 for Moto X yet.
You can try Team octOS
http://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-x/development/romghost-team-octos-oct-m-t3324780
Or search XDA forums for unofficial CM based marshmallow ROMs.
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AHH MANNN!!! :crying:
Is there a stock [6.x.x] for Moto X (2013)??
I just want latest android updates, there wont be any OTA update any more for this device right? :/
So, there cant be a Stock android 6 ?
Goutham_SRIRAM said:
AHH MANNN!!! :crying:
Is there a stock [6.x.x] for Moto X (2013)??
I just want latest android updates, there wont be any OTA update any more for this device right? :/
So, there cant be a Stock android 6 ?
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No, device support ended in 5.1.
And no custom 6.0.1 rom will have the Moto functions because that's proprietary and Lenovo won't release the drivers.
GoldExperience said:
No, device support ended in 5.1.
And no custom 6.0.1 rom will have the Moto functions because that's proprietary and Lenovo won't release the drivers.
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Fun Fact: CyanogenMod 12.1 is the latest CyanogenMod version available for Moto X, AND Moto G received 13 snapshot just a while back.
MuhammadBilal said:
Fun Fact: CyanogenMod 12.1 is the latest CyanogenMod version available for Moto X, AND Moto G received 13 snapshot just a while back.
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To be fair the 2013 Moto G was a much more popular device than the 2013 Moto X.
Even unofficial ROMs are becoming more rare to our device, I have a Galaxy Tab S 10.5 and it received a very functional Nougat ROM just 5 days after official launch, meanwhile I don't see any interest from a kind developer in porting Nougat to our phone.
Despite that I don't see much reason to buy a new phone right now, my phone is fine even after more than 2 years owning it.
I recently acquired a Droid turbo and was surprised by the lack if development for such a nice device. I quickly learned this was mostly due to the locked bootloader that took a while to crack. But having the Maxx with unlocked bootloader, I'm still rather surprised by how little development there seems to be for these devices. Maybe I'm spoiled as my last rooted device was a Moto G which had more ROMs than you can flash in a day, mods galore and things such as MultiROM. That leads to my question...
Now that more ROMs have rolled out and bootloader can be pretty easily be unlocked, is anyone working on MultiROM for quark? I searched around and have seen no mention of it all all for Quark devices. Is there something preventing it or do we just need someone to work on it? It's handy, especially with a phone with decent storage and a variety of ROMs.
Sorry for the lengthy post and I don't mean this as a "someone needs to make this for us" post. I'm just curious as MultiROM seems to be available on most devices these days but no mention of it for Quark.
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But having the Maxx with unlocked bootloader, I'm still rather surprised by how little development there seems to be for these devices. Maybe I'm spoiled as my last rooted device was a Moto G which had more ROMs than you can flash in a day, mods galore and things such as MultiROM.
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"How little development"? Your premise is faulty.
We have 9 Marshmallow ROMs, plus we had at least 5 Lollipop ROMs, and now we have a Nougat ROM before most other devices! We have a custom kernel maker -- for both Lollipop and Marshmallow -- and now that same dev is now giving us the Nougat ROM.
I've been flashing ROMs since at least 2010, have owned several Nexus devices. Plus have have configured and set up many friends' phones. I'm not a dev, but far from a newbie. I've never used MultiROM in my life and have no desire to.
However, yes we can always use more developers. Our CM dev @Skrilax_CZ got a Moto Maxx XT1225 and developed official CM for us, along with the very important kernel. Others like @bhb27 came along developed more ROMs with CM's kernel. He also developed a custom kernel and gave us official TWRP for Quark.
Except for CF's Verizon stock-based ROM, all other ROMs are based on the work of those two devs. But we do have a lot of Marshmallow ROMs, and we have one Nougat and will have more. Here's the list of current Marshmallow and Nougat ROMs. I'm not even going to bother listing Lollipop anymore -- but we had at least 5, maybe more. AICP (Marshmallow) is not mentioned since the dev never made an official thread and says he's not maintaining it anymore -- even though people keep flashing it and asking about it in his other threads (AOKP and Bliss). But that one and @iiWoodstocK's Brazilian adaptation make 9 Marshmallow ROMs for Quark. Plus of course Nougat.
There are devices like Nexus which may have more ROMs but that's a very respectable amount of development!
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Here's the current custom Nougat (7.x) Quark ROMs to choose from. More will be coming!
[ROM][7.X][All quark] crDroid Android
That ROM started on 7.0 right now, and is already 7.1.
Here's the current custom Marshmallow (6.0.1) Quark ROMs to choose from:
[ROM][All Quark][6.x.x]Resurrection Remix
Bliss Rom 6.4 by Team Bliss
[ROM][6.0.1][OFFICIAL][QUARK] MoKee OpenSource Project
[Rom] NEXUS EXPERIENCE 10.4 [MotoMaxx] (recently updated to Marshmallow)
AOKP - Android Open Kang Project[6.0.1][Marshmallow]
[Moto MAXX XT1225 / Droid Turbo XT1254][OFFICIAL] CyanogenMod 13.0[6.0.1]
[ROM][2016-09-17][Quarks][CM 13.0 Unofficial][6.0.1] (hybrid of CM13 and Resurrection Remix)
That list is in no particular order.
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You can also install a Marshmallow stock ROM released by Motorola for the Brazilian Quark. @iiWoodstocK adapted it so it runs on ANY Quark, including the XT1254 Droid Turbo or XT1250 U.S. Moto Maxx (clone of the XT1254). It will use YOUR radio, whatever you have installed.
[ROM][6.0.1][Stock][Odexed]MPG24.107-70.2 Brazilian 6.0.1 for XT1254[TWRP Flashable]
Stock 6.0.1 MPG24.107-70.2 (Brazil) for Verizon XT1254
http://forum.xda-developers.com/droid-turbo/development/rom-mpg24-107-70-2-brazilian-6-0-1-t3426234
I didn't include it in the list above, because while technically it is a custom ROM, the only "customization" was to allow it to be flashed via TWRP and to allow it to be used on ALL Quarks: XT1254/XT1250/XT1225. Otherwise, it's pure Motorola Marshmallow stock which was officially released for a Quark phone.
iiWoodstocK said:
this ROM is just factory Marshmallow with a modded build.prop. I didn't include any radio in the .zip, so it uses whatever is currently on the device. Aside from my build.prop tweaks, this ROM is even usable for Brazilian XT1225 users, but the device will say it's a Droid Turbo and contain useless CDMA build.prop lines.
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Major stock functionality that I have confirmed working as it should: Moto Display, Approach to wake, Wi-Fi, mobile data (LTE/3G), calls, etc. No Verizon VoLTE (yet). I have not tested Moto Voice as I do not use Moto Voice, but I see no reason why it wouldn't work.
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Any questions go to those threads and ask.
ChazzMatt said:
How little development? Your premise is faulty.
We have 9 Marshmallow ROMs, plus we had at least 5 Lollipop ROMs, and now we have Nougat before most others. We have a custom kernel maker, for both Lollipop and Marshmallow and he's the one who is now giving us the Nougat ROM.
I've been flashing ROMs since at least 2010, have owned several Nexus devices. Plus have have configured and set up many friends' phones. I'm not a dev, but far from a newbie. I've never used MultiROM in my life and have no desire to.
However, yes we can always use more developers. Our CM dev @Skrilax_CZ got a Moto Maxx XT1225 and developed official CM for us, along with the very important kernel. Others like @bhb27 came along developed more ROMs with CM's kernel. He also developed a custom kernel and gave us official TWRP for Quark.
Except for CF's Verizon stock-based ROM, all other ROMs are based on the work of those two devs. But we do have a lot of Marshmallow ROMs, and we have one Nougat and will have more. Here's the list of current Marshmallow and Nougat ROMs. I'm not even going to bother listing Lollipop anymore -- but we had at least 5, maybe more. AICP (Marshmallow) is not mentioned since the dev never made an official thread and says he's not maintaining it anymore -- even though people keep flashing it and asking about it in his other threads (AOKP and Bliss). But that one and @iiWoodstocK's Brazilian adaptation make 9 Marshmallow ROMs for Quark. Plus of course Nougat.
There are devices like Nexus which may have more ROMs but that's a very respectable amount of development!
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Here's the current custom Nougat (7.x) Quark ROMs to choose from. More will be coming!
[ROM][7.X][All quark] crDroid Android
That ROM started on 7.0 right now, and is already 7.1.
Here's the current custom Marshmallow (6.0.1) Quark ROMs to choose from:
[ROM][All Quark][6.x.x]Resurrection Remix
Bliss Rom 6.4 by Team Bliss
[ROM][6.0.1][OFFICIAL][QUARK] MoKee OpenSource Project
[Rom] NEXUS EXPERIENCE 10.4 [MotoMaxx] (recently updated to Marshmallow)
AOKP - Android Open Kang Project[6.0.1][Marshmallow]
[Moto MAXX XT1225 / Droid Turbo XT1254][OFFICIAL] CyanogenMod 13.0[6.0.1]
[ROM][2016-09-17][Quarks][CM 13.0 Unofficial][6.0.1] (hybrid of CM13 and Resurrection Remix)
That list is in no particular order.
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[ROM][6.0.1][Stock][Odexed]MPG24.107-70.2 Brazilian 6.0.1 for XT1254[TWRP Flashable]
Stock 6.0.1 MPG24.107-70.2 (Brazil) for Verizon XT1254
http://forum.xda-developers.com/droid-turbo/development/rom-mpg24-107-70-2-brazilian-6-0-1-t3426234
I didn't include it in the list above, because while technically it is a custom ROM, the only "customization" was to allow it to be flashed via TWRP and to allow it to be used on ALL Quarks: XT1254/XT1250/XT1225. Otherwise, it's pure Motorola Marshmallow stock which was officially released for a Quark phone.
Any questions go to those threads and ask.
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As I said, maybe I'm just used to having tons of options. I had a Moto G (falcon) for a while. It's a budget device from 2013 and they have Nougat ROMs, tons of MM and LP ROMs, MultiROM, several OS ports, custom kernels etc... I guess it makes sense that a cheaper phone will be easier to get in the hands of devs and more people will dev for them.
I'm not complaining... But the Quark section is much more quiet than I was used to with my old Falcon.
I appreciate all the work that anyone puts in to making custom ROMs etc. My main question here was inquiring on MultiROM. For someone who constantly flashes ROMs or tries different mods, kernels etc, it's awesome. Why backup/wipe/flash/setup all the time when you can seamlessly switch between ROMs? With 32 or 64gb of storage you could in theory have all 9 MM ROMs installed and boot to whichever one you felt like using at the moment. Weed out the ones you wouldn't use and have several to choose from without having to wipe/install or restore etc.
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is anyone working on MultiROM for quark?
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yes I already made Multi ROM TWRP to work on quark, I manage to install more then one ROM in the device and hit a problem when trying to load secondary ROM's have no idea how to fix so I never publish I don't see this as a major thing to spend my time on so I prefer to improve others project that works 100% and work on the bring up of Nougat for a example as I have very limited time and there is very little developer for quark that really know how to do things some things may never come to life, I my self now very little but I never stop improve my self...
So maybe some day I finish the project and make it fully work, next try will be when TWRP and MultiROM project are released official for Nougat.
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yes I already made Multi ROM TWRP to work on quark, I manage to install more then one ROM in the device and hit a problem when trying to load secondary ROM's have no idea how to fix so I never publish I don't see this as a major thing to spend my time on so I prefer to improve others project that works 100% and work on the bring up of Nougat for a example as I have very limited time and there is very little developer for quark that really know how to do things some things may never come to life, I my self now very little but I never stop improve my self...
So maybe some day I finish the project and make it fully work, next try will be when TWRP and MultiROM project are released official for Nougat.
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If I remember correctly from the moto G days, you had to have a patched kernel to work with MultiROM. I don't remember exactly what it was that was implemented within the kernel. It seems like MultiROM would be easily ported between devices since it's not specific to a particular device.. But that's only an assumption from someone who knows nothing.
I know nothing of developing, but wish I had a computer so I could try to help out.
Thanks for your work. If you have the TWRP file available, could you PM me a link?
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yes I already made Multi ROM TWRP to work on quark, I manage to install more then one ROM in the device and hit a problem when trying to load secondary ROM's have no idea how to fix so I never publish I don't see this as a major thing to spend my time on so I prefer to improve others project that works 100% and work on the bring up of Nougat for a example as I have very limited time and there is very little developer for quark that really know how to do things some things may never come to life, I my self now very little but I never stop improve my self...
So maybe some day I finish the project and make it fully work, next try will be when TWRP and MultiROM project are released official for Nougat.
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Just remembered, it was a kexec patch that the kernel needed in moto G. Not sure if that helps you any as I have no idea what it means. But pretty sure without it, you could load ROMs on the device but they wouldn't boot without the Primary ROMs kernel being kexec patched.
Here's a link to some info about porting MultiROM. I'll keep looking in to it and if I can get a PC, I'll even try to figure it all out.
https://github.com/Tasssadar/multirom/wiki/Porting-MultiROM
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Just remembered, it was a kexec patch that the kernel needed in moto G. Not sure if that helps you any as I have no idea what it means. But pretty sure without it, you could load ROMs on the device but they wouldn't boot without the Primary ROMs kernel being kexec patched.
Here's a link to some info about porting MultiROM. I'll keep looking in to it and if I can get a PC, I'll even try to figure it all out.
https://github.com/Tasssadar/multirom/wiki/Porting-MultiROM
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If I already made it I probably know all about it :silly: but of course knowing what is needed and make it fully work is another history, I know you may be excited to have it but is not my priority and will not be for some time I already do too much for this device.
bhb27 said:
If I already made it I probably know all about it :silly: but of course knowing what is needed and make it fully work is another history, I know you may be excited to have it but is not my priority and will not be for some time I already do too much for this device.
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Oh, I understand. I wasn't pushing for you to make it. I was just pointing out a relevant thread. It seems pretty straight forward from that description as long as the device follows the guidelines of what works. But as I said, I'm no dev.
I can do without MultiROM but I don't know why people wouldn't want it or think it's not useful. For someone who loves to flash and use different ROMs it puts them one click away from multiple ROMs at boot.
Maybe I can come across a PC one of these days and tinker with it.
bhb27 said:
yes I already made Multi ROM TWRP to work on quark, I manage to install more then one ROM in the device and hit a problem when trying to load secondary ROM's have no idea how to fix so I never publish I don't see this as a major thing to spend my time on so I prefer to improve others project that works 100% and work on the bring up of Nougat for a example as I have very limited time and there is very little developer for quark that really know how to do things some things may never come to life, I my self now very little but I never stop improve my self...
So maybe some day I finish the project and make it fully work, next try will be when TWRP and MultiROM project are released official for Nougat.
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Just an update for this post. Multi-ROM has now been released by @bhb27, plus we now have SEVEN Nougat ROMs.
[ROMs][Quarks][List for Moto Maxx and Droid Turbo]
https://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=73459132&postcount=80
But as I explained in post #2, the "lack of development" for this phone was always a faulty statement. Development on this phone has been constant since the very beginning. We've had several ROMs to choose from and many tools and apps.
ChazzMatt said:
Just an update for this post. Multi-ROM has now been released by @bhb27, plus we now have SEVEN Nougat ROMs.
[ROMs][Quarks][List for Moto Maxx and Droid Turbo]
https://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=73459132&postcount=80
But as I explained in post #2, the "lack of development" for this phone was always a faulty statement. Development on this phone has been constant since the very beginning. We've had several ROMs to choose from and many tools and apps.
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Thanks Chazz
Downloading and trying...
Actually have RR Rom and i want to try the new Viper like 2nd Rom.
In a few days, i comment the result of my test.
P.S. Excuse me if i made mistakes w/english, im not so good w that.
ChazzMatt said:
Just an update for this post. Multi-ROM has now been released by @bhb27, plus we now have SEVEN Nougat ROMs.
[ROMs][Quarks][List for Moto Maxx and Droid Turbo]
https://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=73459132&postcount=80
But as I explained in post #2, the "lack of development" for this phone was always a faulty statement. Development on this phone has been constant since the very beginning. We've had several ROMs to choose from and many tools and apps.
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Thanks for the update.
The "lack of development" was already explained. There are plenty of ROMs to tinker with for the Quark and that is great... But venture in to the Moto G section and you will see just how many options there are for that device. I don't think it officially made it past KitKat and there are well over 9 Nougat ROMs, plus kernels, mods, etc for that phone and it's still kicking after 5 years or so.
It was never a knock on development of the Quark or "lack there of"....rather I was a bit surprised that there weren't more people with this phone and more devs pumping out builds like I was used to for the falcon. Not a big deal.
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Thanks for the update.
The "lack of development" was already explained. There are plenty of ROMs to tinker with for the Quark and that is great... But venture in to the Moto G section and you will see just how many options there are for that device. I don't think it officially made it past KitKat and there are well over 9 Nougat ROMs, plus kernels, mods, etc for that phone and it's still kicking after 5 years or so.
It was never a knock on development of the Quark or "lack there of"....rather I was a bit surprised that there weren't more people with this phone and more devs pumping out builds like I was used to for the falcon. Not a big deal.
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On my view "devs pumping out builds" is not always a great thing.
Some developer are only producing more without any care for quality or care to help in the improve of development, they are just using the known good recipe to build for that device from CM/LOS repos or wherever they fell is good, downloading the source give some commands and without any real development from they side producing a ROM, I know learn somethings takes time, but after some long time some developer don't ever try move from that side of just producing a ROM using others work to produce a ROM with they on changes/fixes and sharing that to others so the development can improve.
big community of developers working together trying to improve development great, great number of ROM/development projects not equal to that.
you are also trying to compara quark 2014 device to falcon 2013 device, a years of development on a much cheaper device is not far, as the cheapness will make it more available and popular, falcon was probably released on more markets then quark, and time will help to make people interested on to doing development to it, Droid Turbo 2 is another good sample of unpopular device for development.
Hi guys, I have a few questions before buying a Moto X4 (xt1900-01):
1- Can we unlocking bootloader?
2- Can we use Magisk with modules?
3 - Can we use twrp for flashing, backup and restore?
I have knowledge about unlocking bootloader, root, flashing with commands, etc. Now I have a Moto G5 Plus with rom AospExtended and Magisk with several modules and substratum themes. I would like to know if I will be able to modify something my new Moto X4.
Thanks!
I would like to know as well...the x4 seems abandoned on here. Which sucks because it has all the good specs!
I have a moto x4. You can unlock the bootloader with the fastboot unlock command. You can also flash twrp recovery, but right now there isn't really any custom roms you can flash it with. This forum has the recovery images:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-x4/development/dev-testing-t3707432
I haven't tried magisk on the moto x4, but you can install it and use it. This forum has more information on it:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-x4/development/root-moto-x4-t3696180
The main reason why there isn't much development for this device is because Motorola has only recently released the source code for the moto x4 on android Oreo. Hopefully we will have more roms for this device in the next few months
It would be better to buy this phone in a few months if you are using it for hacking and development purposes. It should be a little more cheaper then, and there should be more development.
nrichard7029 said:
I have a moto x4. You can unlock the bootloader with the fastboot unlock command. You can also flash twrp recovery, but right now there isn't really any custom roms you can flash it with. This forum has the recovery images:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-x4/development/dev-testing-t3707432
I haven't tried magisk on the moto x4, but you can install it and use it. This forum has more information on it:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-x4/development/root-moto-x4-t3696180
The main reason why there isn't much development for this device is because Motorola has only recently released the source code for the moto x4 on android Oreo. Hopefully we will have more roms for this device in the next few months
It would be better to buy this phone in a few months if you are using it for hacking and development purposes. It should be a little more cheaper then, and there should be more development.
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Cool. All I want is aosp extended. Haha
Locklear308 said:
Cool. All I want is aosp extended. Haha
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Me too! haha
nrichard7029 said:
I have a moto x4. You can unlock the bootloader with the fastboot unlock command. You can also flash twrp recovery, but right now there isn't really any custom roms you can flash it with. This forum has the recovery images:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-x4/development/dev-testing-t3707432
I haven't tried magisk on the moto x4, but you can install it and use it. This forum has more information on it:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-x4/development/root-moto-x4-t3696180
The main reason why there isn't much development for this device is because Motorola has only recently released the source code for the moto x4 on android Oreo. Hopefully we will have more roms for this device in the next few months
It would be better to buy this phone in a few months if you are using it for hacking and development purposes. It should be a little more cheaper then, and there should be more development.
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Can you point to a device that has really decent Custom Rom support?
It has to be cheap, not over $450+++ expensive ones.
The only thing I can think of is Xiaomi Mi A1 and Mi 6.
shadowcore said:
Can you point to a device that has really decent Custom Rom support?
It has to be cheap, not over $450+++ expensive ones.
The only thing I can think of is Xiaomi Mi A1 and Mi 6.
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The Android One version of the HTC U11 Life is treble-compliant, so in theory it could support any treble ROM. I don't know if anyone has actually tried it though. It has the same QC 630 SOC as the x4.
So my dad just upgraded from a Verizon Moto G6 to an unlocked Google Pixel 4a 5G. Since he is no longer using the Moto G6 I want to rom it cause the stock motorola rom is outdated. I refuse to let it update to the Android 9 update available for it so I want to rom it. Does anyone have a Verizon Moto G6 rooted and rom and if so what guide did you use?
I'm using this ROM: https://forum.xda-developers.com/t/rom-unofficial-12-moto-g6-ali-lineageos-19-1-by-fwiep.4480349/
I've got Verizon through US Mobile and it works fine.
The maintainer also keeps monthly security updates in the ROM, so that's even better than most.
rotorline said:
I'm using this ROM: https://forum.xda-developers.com/t/rom-unofficial-12-moto-g6-ali-lineageos-19-1-by-fwiep.4480349/
I've got Verizon through US Mobile and it works fine.
The maintainer also keeps monthly security updates in the ROM, so that's even better than most.
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What guide did you use to unlock the bootloader? Want to do this to my dads old G6 since he does not use it anymore. I also noticed how they mentioned a 2nd sim?