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Hi everyone,hi to all my friends.
I want to ask very important question.Z1's camera is very bad I think. I am waiting for a better camera. My old phone Xperia Arc is better than Z1.Is this a software problem? Is there anyone who thinking like me? Or Are there some special settings for camera?
Mazellat said:
Hi everyone,hi to all my friends.
I want to ask very important question.Z1's camera is very bad I think. I am waiting for a better camera. My old phone Xperia Arc is better than Z1.Is this a software problem? Is there anyone who thinking like me? Or Are there some special settings for camera?
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yeah number of people are complaining for camera... actually hardware specs are good enough for a mobile but sony's software is a complete mess... all you can do is wait and try to upgrade it to latest version...
n70shan said:
yeah number of people are complaining for camera... actually hardware specs are good enough for a mobile but sony's software is a complete mess... all you can do is wait and try to upgrade it to latest version...
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What is the best stock firmware for camera? Are all firmwares same?
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Mazellat said:
What is the best stock firmware for camera? Are all firmwares same?
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you should use the latest one..of course latest will be a bit better.firmware is available here just check forum.....or use pc companion
Hello,
I am also very unhappy with the camera.
Today I updated my firmware from 534 to 257 and I cannot see any differences in the pictures.
But this is only my view, maybe there are improvements which I do not see.
What is the problem? I have to admit I am quite happy with the camera.
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Guys these are two shots I took with the new firmware... not too bad I guess
This is @1000 iso... noise level is pretty good and white balance is better than earlier
This is in daylight with plenty of details
I think camera-quality is just where you can realistically expect it.
About on par or better than cheap compacts with same sensor-size, but as you can expect it can´t compete with high-end compacts like Canon G-Series, Panasonic LX, Olympus XZ or similar (I don´t want to mention Sony RX100(II) of course which is far ahead).
On the positive side is relatively low NR of luminance-noise which leaves most fine detail intact, virtually no ugly chroma-noise without the colors being washed out up to the highest sensitivities and quite low contrast which leads to quite good DR for a phone-camera (and of course also doesn´t hide the noise by clipping to black like many other phones)
Negative is mostly the camera-app, unfortunately most other phones aren´t better here as well:
The so called "Manual" mode is a joke, on a real camera this would qualify as P-Mode as most, but certainly not M.
Why are the even give you the chance to adjust ISO while not telling you the shutter-speed the camera will use is beyond me. It is not useful to set ISO yourself when you don´t know which shutter-speed you well get. Of course a real shutter-priority-mode would be much better, but I guess that´s to much to ask.
Superior-Auto is too limiting. I know this mode is meant for point&shoot, but I think the possibility to choose the AR you like wouldn´t be to overwhelming for beginners. And of course that you can only start superior-auto from the lockscreen or with the camera-button also is very stupid.
Besides the scene-recognition of superior-auto is also a bit hit&miss.
Also sharpening can be somewhat high, which emphasizes noise and can destroy fine detail.
Hi guys, I'll go straight to the point: I was thinking of exchanging my Xperia S for an Xperia T, paying about 30€. I have some questions for you owners, hoping you'll take a couple of minutes to answer me
T is more powerful, no doubt about that (actually I do have a doubt: does it have dual channel RAM like Xperia V or is it the same RAM as Xperia S? ). What I'm particularly interested in is:
- Camera -> Better? Worse? Same? Apart from those 13 MegaPixels, Sony sensors are always quite good, the problem is how Sony optimizes the software part (sometimes awfully, unfortunately). So... would I regret switching from S to T?
- Battery -> Neither T nor S have great battery life, this is actually well known. But how's battery life of Xperia T comparing to the one of Xperia S? I'm actually satisfied (enough) with my S... would I regret buying this T?
- Bugs & Problems -> Is there any terrible bug that I should be aware of? And in that case would I be able to solve it with a little modding?
- Last question: would you recommend me to change my S with a T for just 30€, or do you find it useless?
Thank you for your attention, hope to read you soon
I've got the T, my brother has the S, so I#ve had the chance to use both (at least a bit)
Feanor88 said:
- Camera -> Better? Worse? Same? Apart from those 13 MegaPixels, Sony sensors are always quite good, the problem is how Sony optimizes the software part (sometimes awfully, unfortunately). So... would I regret switching from S to T?
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About even. 1MP more doesn't matter (you won't notice such a small increase in pixels. A camera needs to have at least 25% more pxels to show a visible increse) - and since most of us don't print and most screens still show only 2MP the pixel increase is irrelevant.
Feanor88 said:
- Battery -> Neither T nor S have great battery life, this is actually well known. But how's battery life of Xperia T comparing to the one of Xperia S? I'm actually satisfied (enough) with my S... would I regret buying this T?
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Also: about even. You can get through a day with both with restricted usage, but heavy usage will drain both fast
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- Bugs & Problems -> Is there any terrible bug that I should be aware of? And in that case would I be able to solve it with a little modding?
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Not really a bug but an annoyance: the home/back buttons are softbuttons that take up screen real estate unlike the S, which has those buttons as sperate touch areas
Feanor88 said:
- Last question: would you recommend me to change my S with a T for just 30€, or do you find it useless?
Thank you for your attention, hope to read you soon
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I wouldn't upgrade. Maybe, if I knew I could sell the S for more than 30€ but otherwise: no. Not worth it
Camera MP count
Fahrertuer said:
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About even. 1MP more doesn't matter (you won't notice such a small increase in pixels. A camera needs to have at least 25% more pxels to show a visible increse) - and since most of us don't print and most screens still show only 2MP the pixel increase is irrelevant.
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I agree a 1 MP increase is irrelevant. Unless the increase goes in hand with a bigger pixel size, which usually means a bigger sensor. Even the opposite is true. Higher pixel count means higher pixel density which mean higher digital noise which means more software noise suppression which means more loss of detail!
The really relevant data would be the sensor size, and secondly pixel density. The same sensor size with 5 MP count would potentially deliver a far better quality, especially in low light conditions.
The useless counting of MP is the prove of marketing powers. Even when using the build in digital zoom, anything more than 10 MP in a hand phone or compact camera is looking good on the package description, but delivers no value to the consumer. Professionals seldom need more than 20 MP. They have much better sensors in their cameras, which are multiple the size of the toy sensor which is in a phone. The right feature in the Xperia would be a switch to connect two or three pixels to one unit, that would be a real improvement.
To the phone, wait for the next good offer. The differences are not earth shaking.
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Hi guys, I'll go straight to the point: I was thinking of exchanging my Xperia S for an Xperia T, paying about 30€. I have some questions for you owners, hoping you'll take a couple of minutes to answer me
T is more powerful, no doubt about that (actually I do have a doubt: does it have dual channel RAM like Xperia V or is it the same RAM as Xperia S? ). What I'm particularly interested in is:
- Camera -> Better? Worse? Same? Apart from those 13 MegaPixels, Sony sensors are always quite good, the problem is how Sony optimizes the software part (sometimes awfully, unfortunately). So... would I regret switching from S to T?
- Battery -> Neither T nor S have great battery life, this is actually well known. But how's battery life of Xperia T comparing to the one of Xperia S? I'm actually satisfied (enough) with my S... would I regret buying this T?
- Bugs & Problems -> Is there any terrible bug that I should be aware of? And in that case would I be able to solve it with a little modding?
- Last question: would you recommend me to change my S with a T for just 30€, or do you find it useless?
Thank you for your attention, hope to read you soon
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Yeah the biggest reason I could see to upgrade is the increased screen size it's a lot nicer to use then a 4.3 and maybe the build of the LT30A is one is one of the things that made me fall in love with this phone when I was buying it but other then that and maybe the small apps I can't see a reason to upgrade just wait till something better comes out.
Thanks for your replies. I actually specified that I know those "13 MegaPixel" means nothing: that's why I was asing users about the camera quality, because I can't just rely on that number
Apart from that, I'm just willing to change because the Xperia T design is one of my favourite ones, plus it will still receive support from Sony. I'll probably go through a serious change in march/april 2014, but for now I'm just a bit tired of the S (though I'm quite satisfied with it).
Thank you anyway for your opinions, hope to read more from you
Feanor88 said:
Thanks for your replies. I actually specified that I know those "13 MegaPixel" means nothing: that's why I was asing users about the camera quality, because I can't just rely on that number
Apart from that, I'm just willing to change because the Xperia T design is one of my favourite ones, plus it will still receive support from Sony. I'll probably go through a serious change in march/april 2014, but for now I'm just a bit tired of the S (though I'm quite satisfied with it).
Thank you anyway for your opinions, hope to read more from you
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Good reasons! The T will receive JB 4.3 update very soon and will probably be updated to 4.4.
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Good reasons! The T will receive JB 4.3 update very soon
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This month
and will probably be updated to 4.4.
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This is still just speculation as there is no word from Sony about this
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This is still just speculation as there is no word from Sony about this
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Actually 2 words : "Under investigations"
From a development point of view it would make much more sense to take the T over the S. The T is getting an official 4.3 update (maybe even 4.4) and the S isn't. Developers are currently doing fantastic things with the T from solid stock ROMs like Hybrid and Miui to super fast and smooth 4.4 ROMs such as OmniRom. They are doing so much on old kernels and software. Imagine what they'll be able to do once the T gets 4.3 or 4.4.
Hi everyone im new on this forum and wanted to say a problem with my Xperia. I dont know if i dont know how to take photos or firmware & software is bad or just Xperias camera is really bad. Especially at nights, at very high and very low lights my phone takes really bad photos. I was suspecting of if its replica or fake i checked its not. Even an iPhone 5 (a friend of mine) has over perfomanced Xperia Z1 and they joked around me, i was suprised.. I will attach some samples of my phone and the samples i found on the internet you compare and tell me what it can be,i see too much blur or noise on my photos. Am i a bad (must be really bad) photographer ? My firmware & software is bad ? My camera is broken in some way ?
Thank you for your help already.
Edit: The web site uploader compressed my example photos. So answer with possibilities and your knowledge please.
your lens is dirty
xhanty said:
Hi everyone im new on this forum and wanted to say a problem with my Xperia. I dont know if i dont know how to take photos or firmware & software is bad or just Xperias camera is really bad. Especially at nights, at very high and very low lights my phone takes really bad photos. I was suspecting of if its replica or fake i checked its not. Even an iPhone 5 (a friend of mine) has over perfomanced Xperia Z1 and they joked around me, i was suprised.. I will attach some samples of my phone and the samples i found on the internet you compare and tell me what it can be,i see too much blur or noise on my photos. Am i a bad (must be really bad) photographer ? My firmware & software is bad ? My camera is broken in some way ?
Thank you for your help already.
Edit: The web site uploader compressed my example photos. So answer with possibilities and your knowledge please.
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Update to 4.4 camera drasticaly improves
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Since Google Pixel 3 launched, the modder tried to port the camera app to the another Android devices, I'm so excited about it. But unfortunately until now the app not coming even to single Sony devices. So, anyone's here please make it available for Sony Xperia X Performance.
Devices that got Google Camera app
https://www.xda-developers.com/google-camera-port-hub/
You can use it as long as youre in aosp.
The right version for dora
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You can use it as long as youre in aosp.
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I wonder though: which version of that port is suitable for X Performance?
Presumably need to find the device that has the same SoC and camera
With kind regards.
UPD #1: GCam_5.3.015-Pixel3Mod-Arnova8G2-v4Beta1 - this version is working for X Performance, testing further on Oreo 8.1 AOSP with kernel v4.9
UPD #2: also installed HEVC+SloMo GCam (Magisk) from the OnePlus 3/3T section via Magisk, the app does not crash or anything, safe to use I guess....
UPD #3: HDR+ is not working, maybe need some tweaking in the Advanced section of Settings
UPD #4: At the very first switcing to 60 fps mode the app reports a crash; after a re-launch the mode persists as set, video records fine, no idea if it is actually 60fps
Anyways, test out, guys!
P.S. HDR+ engine seems funky for the device: the camera snaps the original picture just fine, but the processing messes the picture up in the end. Maybe should talk to the developer of the port.
Aray21 said:
Since Google Pixel 3 launched, the modder tried to port the camera app to the another Android devices, I'm so excited about it. But unfortunately until now the app not coming even to single Sony devices. So, anyone's here please make it available for Sony Xperia X Performance.
Devices that got Google Camera app
https://www.xda-developers.com/google-camera-port-hub/
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Which one i can use to x performance ?
On a disturbing case of blindness
Ontrinity said:
Which one i can use to x performance ?
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Hello, @Ontrinity,
you can look up to post #3 and see that I have already replied to your question (much earlier than you even asked it). Please use the instructions.
In the meantime, consult a doctor on the matter of your eyesight - I think it's alarmingly poor and you might need to use some glasses or lenses.
Have a very nice day, and thank you for your time.
Why there are no GCAM mods for every Xperia flagship starting from XZ1?! A year ago there's a working GCAM for my Xperia X dual! Someone should request the developers to make mod for XZ1, XZ1C, XZ2, XZ2C, XZ3, XZ2P!
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sandeepxperia said:
Why there are no GCAM mods for every Xperia flagship starting from XZ1?! A year ago there's a working GCAM for my Xperia X dual! Someone should request the developers to make mod for XZ1, XZ1C, XZ2, XZ2C, XZ3, XZ2P!
Yeah i know there's no connection to title and the description message!
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Simple answer being Sony devices have a small user base compared to others, no point investing time
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Simple answer being Sony devices have a small user base compared to others, no point investing time
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For the sake of Sony fans, developers should share their interest in Sony mobiles. Pleaaaaseeeeee ohhh goddd. Please someone make MOD for all of these devices. Please someone care about Sony users. ?????
sandeepxperia said:
For the sake of Sony fans, developers should share their interest in Sony mobiles. Pleaaaaseeeeee ohhh goddd. Please someone make MOD for all of these devices. Please someone care about Sony users.
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All simply because gcam is ridiculous compared to stock. Much more noise, smoothing of the photo, overesposition, mediocre quality in night photo ... The tests were done with GCAM 5 which is in a discussion on the forum...
In my opinion the reduction of raw noise is incompatible with gcam. The photos taken with gcam have almost the same quality as with open camera.
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All simply because gcam is ridiculous compared to stock. Much more noise, smoothing of the photo, overesposition, mediocre quality in night photo ... The tests were done with GCAM 5 which is in a discussion on the forum...
In my opinion the reduction of raw noise is incompatible with gcam. The photos taken with gcam have almost the same quality as with open camera.
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Why why but why? Why is it happening to only Sony devices?
sandeepxperia said:
For the sake of Sony fans, developers should share their interest in Sony mobiles. Pleaaaaseeeeee ohhh goddd. Please someone make MOD for all of these devices. Please someone care about Sony users.
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There's already a port for gcam on xperia 1, however it's gcam 5, so no night sight yet.
It'll come eventually (or not). Just a matter of patience. If you want gcam so bad, then get another phone or get a pixel.
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Why why but why? Why is it happening to only Sony devices?
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gcam is not necessarily better it may change for low-end smartphones but in high-end smartphones the results were worse with gcam than the Stock camera. gcam will work like any open camera and will never have the code and therefore the optimizations related to the camera. on the screen of the smartphones it looks good but on a larger screen we directly see the loss of quality with gcam
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Why there are no GCAM mods for every Xperia flagship starting from XZ1?! A year ago there's a working GCAM for my Xperia X dual! Someone should request the developers to make mod for XZ1, XZ1C, XZ2, XZ2C, XZ3, XZ2P!
Yeah i know there's no connection to title and the description message!
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Maybe because these ports are done via the good will and graciousness of the developers, who often do this for free, on their own time? Don't be immature about this. It takes work, and just because your particular phone isn't supported doesn't mean that people aren't trying to get it to work.
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Maybe because these ports are done via the good will and graciousness of the developers, who often do this for free, on their own time? Don't be immature about this. It takes work, and just because your particular phone isn't supported doesn't mean that people aren't trying to get it to work.
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I haven't asked it particularly for my mobile. The thing is i haven't asked at all for my mobile. I just said there are no GCAM mods at all for at least a single Sony flagship. I never demanded i am saying that just request the developers!
Can't force any developer to support an specific device. Like some people already mention, there isn't really an improvement using gcam over the stock camera (maybe there is certain circumstances that get better results, but nothing really special). Xperia 1 camera already is great. I haven't tested much the gcam version already available, will try today some night scenes
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sandeepxperia said:
Why there are no GCAM mods for every Xperia flagship starting from XZ1?! A year ago there's a working GCAM for my Xperia X dual! Someone should request the developers to make mod for XZ1, XZ1C, XZ2, XZ2C, XZ3, XZ2P!
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There are gcam version for that phones (just yesterday tested the XZ1 version) BUT gcam only supports AOSP custom roms, and nothing stock based. With the Xperia 1 onwards, there is API 2 support, and gcam works in stock.
XZ1 GCam take worse photos than stock
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Can't force any developer to support an specific device. Like some people already mention, there isn't really an improvement using gcam over the stock camera (maybe there is certain circumstances that get better results, but nothing really special). Xperia 1 camera already is great. I haven't tested much the gcam version already available, will try today some night scenes
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There are gcam version for that phones (just yesterday tested the XZ1 version) BUT gcam only supports AOSP custom roms, and nothing stock based. With the Xperia 1 onwards, there is API 2 support, and gcam works in stock.
XZ1 GCam take worse photos than stock
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Wow. Ok thanks for the info. Everyone says mobiles need API 2 support and i agree but i feel every Sony flagship supports that API 2 thing. I am saying this because i used a GCAM mod for my old Xperia X dual stock OS that actually worked. But the MOD doesn't had the Night Sight feature as it's an old version. i luckily somewhere found that MOD. It's a long time ago and there after i tried many GCAM versions and none of them worked. They just not opened even for a second.
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Wow. Ok thanks for the info. Everyone says mobiles need API 2 support and i agree but i feel every Sony flagship supports that API 2 thing. I am saying this because i used a GCAM mod for my old Xperia X dual stock OS that actually worked. But the MOD doesn't had the Night Sight feature as it's an old version. i luckily somewhere found that MOD. It's a long time ago and there after i tried many GCAM versions and none of them worked. They just not opened even for a second.
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Older gcam versions work. Even on XZP stock, gcam 4(?) was working. For the Xperia 1/5 we have Gcam 5 working. Either wait, donate to the dev to help support them, or create your own port.