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Black Kevlar GSM version?

Is there a black kevlar GSM version? I just saw a black kevlar verizon version in a store which I REALLY liked but I want to stay with tmobile.

bdb4269 said:
Is there a black kevlar GSM version? I just saw a black kevlar verizon version in a store which I REALLY liked but I want to stay with tmobile.
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1) I assume you mean non-CDMA?
All the Motorola " Quark" phones (Droid Turbo/Moto Maxx, and I assume also the new Moto Turbo) have GSM.
All have HSPA.
All have LTE.
But the U.S. (non-Verizon) XT1250 Moto Maxx and the XT1254 (Verizon) Droid Turbo have CDMA also.
The "international" XT1225 Moto Maxx has no CDMA bands and has some slightly different LTE bands than the XT1250/XT1254. But also some of the same LTE bands. For your purposes (T-mobile), all Quark phones released so far have LTE bands 2 and 4 -- which are the main T-mobile LTE bands. None of the Quark phones have the new T-mobile LTE band 12. But many people are using both the Moto Maxx and Droid Turbo on T-mobile in spite of that.
You can buy a Verizon Droid Turbo XT1254 and use it on T-mobile. But you cannot unlock the bootloader and you cannot root. For that you would need a Moto Maxx. I would recommend the XT1225 Moto Maxx.
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2) All the Quark phones (Moto Maxx/Droid Turbo/Moto Turbo) have Kevlar. It's just on the ballistic nylon versions, the Kevlar layer is UNDERNEATH the nylon. Kevlar + Ballistic nylon.
There's Kelvar there. You just can't see it. It's a layer below the ballistic nylon.
http://motorola-blog.blogspot.com/2014/11/moto-maxx-choose-to-live-life-unplugged.html
ENDURING PROTECTION
On the outside, Moto Maxx is designed with premium ballistic nylon, a first for the industry. It’s a high-quality, durable material with a distinctive texture and rich color - you might recognize it from outdoor gear, like backpacks. Under that, is a layer of DuPont Kevlar® fiber, a material that is five times stronger than steel. Moto Maxx is protected inside and out with water-repellent nano-coating and then topped with Corning Gorilla Glass.
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This is one of my two Moto Maxx XT1225 phones. Has Kevlar + Ballistic Nylon.
If you want only the Kevlar, you can buy a Kevlar-only replacement back cover.
Your only issue is the Kevlar-only replacement back covers (in red or black) all have the "Droid" logo. The no-logo ballistic nylon + Kevlar covers were made for the Moto Maxx. So, if you buy a Moto Maxx with ballistic nylon + Kevlar and and put on the Kevlar-only back, people will think your Moto Maxx XT1225/XT1250 is a Droid Turbo XT1254.
But yes, you can do that.
http://www.aliexpress.com/wholesale...26090203&SearchText=droid+turbo+battery+cover

ChazzMatt said:
1) I assume you mean non-CDMA?
All Quark phones (Droid Turbo/Moto Maxx, and I assume also the new Moto Turbo) have GSM.
All have HSPA.
All have LTE.
But the XT1250 Moto Maxx and the XT1254 Droid Turbo have CDMA also.
The "international" XT1225 Moto Maxx has no CDMA and has some slightly different LTE bands than the XT1250/XT1254. But also some of the same LTE bands. For your purposes, all Quark phones released so far have LTE bands 2 and 4 -- which are the main T-mobile LTE bands. None have LTE band 12. But many people are using both the Moto Maxx and Droid Turbo on T-mobile in spite of that.
You can buy a Verizon Droid Turbo and use it on T-mobile. But you cannot unlock the bootloader and you cannot root. For that you would need a Moto Maxx. I would recommend the XT1225 Moto Maxx.
2) All the Quark phones (Moto Maxx/Droid Turbo/Moto Turbo) have Kevlar. It's just on the ballistic nylon versions, the Kevlar layer is UNDERNEATH the nylon. Kevlar + Ballistic nylon.
There's Kelvar here. You just can't see it. It's a layer below the ballistic nylon.
http://motorola-blog.blogspot.com/2014/11/moto-maxx-choose-to-live-life-unplugged.html
This is one of my two Moto Maxx XT1225 phones. Has Kevlar + Ballistic Nylon.
If you want only the Kevlar, you can buy a Kevlar-only replacement back cover.
Your only issue is the Kevlar-only replacement back covers (in red or black) all have the "Droid" logo. The no-logo ballistic nylon + Kevlar covers were made for the Moto Maxx. So, if you buy a Moto Maxx with ballistic nylon + Kevlar and and put on the Kevlar-only back, people will think your Moto Maxx XT1225/XT1250 is a Droid Turbo XT1254.
But yes, you can do that.
http://www.aliexpress.com/wholesale...26090203&SearchText=droid+turbo+battery+cover
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Wow - thanks for all the detail!
So the verizon one is not actually locked to Verizon and it has all the same bands? (I don't root anyway... so I don't care about losing that ability)
If I decided to just get a back replacement how do I actually replace the back? I didn't even know it was removable.

bdb4269 said:
Wow - thanks for all the detail!
So the verizon one is not actually locked to Verizon and it has all the same bands? (I don't root anyway... so I don't care about losing that ability)
If I decided to just get a back replacement how do I actually replace the back? I didn't even know it was removable.
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They all have the same GSM/HSPA bands. XT1250 "U.S." Moto Max/XT1254 Verizon Droid Turbo also has CDMA.
XT2225 "International" Moto Maxx has LTE 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 17. (Motorola does not officially admit LTE band 5 is there.)
XT1250 "U.S." Moto Max/XT1254 Verizon Droid Turbo has LTE 2, 3, 4, 7, 13.
If you were on AT&T and or cared about rooting, I would strongly urge the XT1225, as it has ALL the AT&T LTE bands. Since you are on T-Mobile, any will work (LTE bands 2 & 4), and you don't care about unlocking bootloader and rooting.
Droid Turbo (XT1254) is not locked to Verizon. But the bootloader is locked down. This will not prevent you from running on T-Mobile, but will prevent you from running custom software that requires root.
Back cover is removable with something like a guitar pick, but do it gently. Others have bought replacement covers from that link above, for instance to change to the BLUE ballistic nylon cover. The blue ballistic nylon Droid is only available at Best Buy stores in the U.S. But you can buy a blue replacement cover and voila!

ChazzMatt said:
They all have the same GSM/HSPA bands. XT1250 "U.S." Moto Max/XT1254 Verizon Droid Turbo also has CDMA.
XT2225 "International" Moto Maxx has LTE 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 17. (Motorola does not officially admit LTE band 5 is there.)
XT1250 "U.S." Moto Max/XT1254 Verizon Droid Turbo has LTE 2, 3, 4, 7, 13.
If you were on AT&T and or cared about rooting, I would strongly urge the XT1225, as it has ALL the AT&T LTE bands. Since you are on T-Mobile, any will work (LTE bands 2 & 4), and you don't care about unlocking bootloader and rooting.
Droid Turbo (XT1254) is not locked to Verizon. But the bootloader is locked down. This will not prevent you from running on T-Mobile, but will prevent you from running custom software that requires root.
Back cover is removable with something like a guitar pick, but do it gently. Others have bought replacement covers from that link above, for instance to change to the BLUE ballistic nylon cover. The blue ballistic nylon Droid is only available at Best Buy stores in the U.S. But you can buy a blue replacement cover and voila!
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Thanks! So the one on Amazon says "Phone is locked to the Verizon Wireless network and not factory unlocked." Do you know where I can get the one that is not locked to verizon?
Also - one more question... will the verizon one have verizon apps on it that I can't remove?

bdb4269 said:
Thanks! So the one on Amazon says "Phone is locked to the Verizon Wireless network and not factory unlocked." Do you know where I can get the one that is not locked to verizon?
Also - one more question... will the verizon one have verizon apps on it that I can't remove?
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Actually that's not true. Misinformation from the past...
If you pay in full, not on contract, it should not be locked to Verizon. You can call Verizon to confirm.
See this discussion about the Note 4 on Amazon. Same misinformation, but corrected by buyers:
http://www.amazon.com/anyone-having...WA2K106GFC9S/1?_encoding=UTF8&asin=B00NKRDCFA
Sam says:
I know it is said that all Verizon LTE phones come factory unlocked, but when I chose 'Without a service plan', it shows that 'Phone is locked to the Verizon Wireless network and not factory unlocked.'
I wonder if anyone having received the Verizon Note 4 can confirm that it is unlocked.
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According to Verizon policy: "We do not lock our 4G LTE devices, and no code is needed to program them for use with another carrier."
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Confirmed. I can use my AT&T sim card inside of Verizon NOTE 4, phone call and MSG work well, but I can only get 3G signal(HSPA+) rather than 4G LTE from AT&T.
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Sam says:
I received the Note 4, my H2O SIM card works too.
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also see here:
http://www.verizonwireless.com/aboutus/commitment/safety-security/device-unlocking-policy.html
Device Unlocking Policy
Postpay Device Unlocking Policy:
We do not lock most phones or tablets that are activated with our postpay service, either during or after the term of your service contract or Edge installment sales agreement.
We do not lock our 4G LTE devices, and no code is needed to program them for use with another carrier.
We do not lock our 3G devices, other than our non-iPhone Global Ready 3G phones, and the simple code to program such 3G devices for use with another carrier is either “000000” or “123456.” If the user guide for your device does not provide instructions to access the programming menu, you can contact us at *611 from your Verizon Wireless phone, or (800)922-0204, for assistance.
The SIM cards used in our non-iPhone 3G Global Ready phones are locked. We willl unlock those SIM cards at your request.
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You can't actually remove the Verizon apps, but you can disable them. I'm not a Droid Turbo expert, however. I own two Moto Maxx.

ChazzMatt said:
Actually that's not true. Misinformation from the past...
If you pay in full, not on contract, it should not be locked to Verizon. You can call Verizon to confirm.
See this discussion about the Note 4 on Amazon. Same misinformation, but corrected by buyers:
http://www.amazon.com/anyone-having...WA2K106GFC9S/1?_encoding=UTF8&asin=B00NKRDCFA
You can't actually remove the Verizon apps, but you can disable them. I'm not a Droid Turbo expert, however. I own two Moto Maxx.
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Thanks much! I am going to go ahead and buy it. So by "disable"... does that mean it won't show in my app list?

bdb4269 said:
Thanks much! I am going to go ahead and buy it. So by "disable"... does that mean it won't show in my app list?
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you would have to check this thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/droid-turbo/development/debloater-3-4-released-t3011201
but I think the answer is yes. Droid Turbo owners can confirm.

I would recomend you to not buy the balistic nylon version because mine for example is fraying.

debating the Droid Turbo (and dropping LG G3)

anybody have any thoughts? I've currently got the LG G3 and am sick of the continually overheating while running GPS. Makes it tough to get places when the phone keeps shutting down. Been looking around and am debating the turbo due to the turbo charging speed. would ya do it??

That's a tough choice. My gf has a g3 and I have a turbo. The g3 is amazing. Better camera in low light, rootable and unlocked bootloader and a ton of development already done on it whereas the turbo, there is a lot less. But my turbo lasts way longer, doesn't overheat at all. It's really an amazing device. If you can handle the little bit extra weight and it being thicker to an extent, then grab the Turbo for sure.
Sent from my XT1254 using Tapatalk

I love my Turbo, but I've never seen a G3. The turbo charging works great. Also, jcase and beaups are actively working on a bootloader unlock for the Turbo. See here: https://twitter.com/therootninja. Also also, why would you get a G3 when the G4 is out?
EDIT: Never mind. I misread.

Or go for the unlocked near-equivalent of the Turbo: the Moto Maxx XT1225 (or the unlocked CDMA version - can't remember if it's XT1254 or XT1250 - depending on who you have for a carrier).

GeodudeFFP said:
Or go for the unlocked near-equivalent of the Turbo: the Moto Maxx XT1225 (or the unlocked CDMA version - can't remember if it's XT1254 or XT1250 - depending on who you have for a carrier).
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XT1250 = unlocked CDMA version (Moto Maxx)
XT1254 = Verizon Droid Turbo
And the only thing that makes it "near equivalent" and not "equivalent" is the name. They are electrically identical.

G3 is nowhere near Droid Turbo, it would be a nice upgrade over G3 but Droid Turbo 2 is about to be announced, so i would wait for dt2 announcement instead of buying droid turbo unless it is cheap.

GeodudeFFP said:
Or go for the unlocked near-equivalent of the Turbo: the Moto Maxx XT1225 (or the unlocked CDMA version - can't remember if it's XT1254 or XT1250 - depending on who you have for a carrier).
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TheSt33v said:
XT1250 = unlocked CDMA version (Moto Maxx)
XT1254 = Verizon Droid Turbo
And the only thing that makes it "near equivalent" and not "equivalent" is the name. They are electrically identical.
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Yeah, same FCC ID = same device, same bands.
Someone I'm chatting with on Hangouts just got an XT1250 and flashed the Droid Turbo 5.1 and radio over it to basically turn it into an bootloader unlocked Droid Turbo....
I was able to get it at Sprocket! (Well, waiting until Monday until they have the Black version.) Ironically, the thing there were most concerned about was me disputing the charge on my CC. However, after some pleading, they agreed!
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Buying it on Monday, waiting for them to get the Black version in stock.
But they are willing to sell it, after some convincing.
All I care is to install 5.1, TWRP, and root. And maybe compile a custom kernel.
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So FYI, I got it all mostly working. The only problem I have right now is upload speeds are super slow.
Flashed the Verizon radio and 5.1 FW
gonna try wiping the radio and re-writing the radio
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Yes I flashed the Verizon Radio to the device
not the bootloader image, for obvious reasons
I wanted 5.1, so I didn't test until I had the VZW 5.1 with my SIM card
I'm going to try an reflash soon, and then get a new SIM just in case
I hope Verizon doesn't give me any trouble getting a new SIM at my local store
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Coming from Verizon Droid Maxx, buy advice

Hello guys,
So yesterday I've been burglarized and lost my phone, a Droid Maxx.
I'm looking for a phone with the same size or less, and active notifications (is there a manufacturer doing these, except Motorola ?).
I loved the Droid Maxx except the locked bootloader which made me lose a lot of time, and I don't want to do it again.
If I read correctly the forum, the last firmware of the Droid Turbo doesn't work with sunshine, so I would be stuck trying to root with python scripts for days.
So I just would like your opinions about this. Is the Droid Turbo a good choice, how can I be sure to get one with firmware prior to SU4TL-49, should I look for the international Moto Maxx, or do you have some other models which combine average size, moto notifications and great battery life ?
I live in France and can find the Droid Turbo for 120$ on eBay US...
Thanks for your help, and have a nice day !

a-m13 said:
Hello guys,
So yesterday I've been burglarized and lost my phone, a Droid Maxx.
I'm looking for a phone with the same size or less, and active notifications (is there a manufacturer doing these, except Motorola ?).
I loved the Droid Maxx except the locked bootloader which made me lose a lot of time, and I don't want to do it again.
If I read correctly the forum, the last firmware of the Droid Turbo doesn't work with sunshine, so I would be stuck trying to root with python scripts for days.
So I just would like your opinions about this. Is the Droid Turbo a good choice, how can I be sure to get one with firmware prior to SU4TL-49, should I look for the international Moto Maxx, or do you have some other models which combine average size, moto notifications and great battery life ?
I live in France and can find the Droid Turbo for 120$ on eBay US...
Thanks for your help, and have a nice day !
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Is the Droid Turbo a good choice: Yes. I love it as much as the day I bought it.
How can you be sure to get one with firmware prior to SU4TL-49: Buy from a service like Swappa that will verify this for you, or ask the Ebay seller what the manufacture date of the phone is (I'm pretty sure it's on the side of the box somewhere). If the manufacture date is before the date that SU4TL-49 was released, and the phone is new, you're good to go. If you buy new from Verizon, there's a good chance you'll be fine (they won't open up a new package and update it), but it's a gamble.
Should you look for the Moto Maxx: Yeah, probably. The Moto Maxx is unlockable regardless of firmware (unlike the Turbo), and it probably has more GSM bands unlocked than the Turbo does since the Turbo was designed for a CDMA network. Since you live in France, you probably want to use a GSM network.

re: Quark for France
a-m13 said:
So I just would like your opinions about this. Is the Droid Turbo a good choice, how can I be sure to get one with firmware prior to SU4TL-49,
should I look for the international Moto Maxx,
or do you have some other models which combine average size, moto notifications and great battery life ?
I live in France and can find the Droid Turbo for 120$ on eBay US...
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TheSt33v said:
Should you look for the Moto Maxx: Yeah, probably. The Moto Maxx is unlockable regardless of firmware (unlike the Turbo), and it probably has more GSM bands unlocked than the Turbo does, since the Turbo was designed for a CDMA network. Since you live in France, you probably want to use a GSM network.
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Yes, for people who don't need CDMA or LTE band 13 the "international" Moto Maxx XT1225/Moto Turbo XT1225 (same device, same FCC ID, just different marketing names depending on where it was released) is your best bet. It's important you look at the model NUMBER (XT1225), not the model name. There's also a U.S. Moto Maxx XT1250, which is identical in every way to the Droid Turbo XT1254 -- same FCC ID, same radio bands -- except the XT1250 bootloader is easily unlocked for FREE via Motorola website. But it has CDMA bands and less LTE/HSPA bands than the "international" sibling, the XT1225. So, for France, the XT1225 would probably be better.
(The U.S. Moto Maxx XT1250 shows the "Droid Turbo" XT1254 was not an exclusive in any way to Verizon, not even exclusive Quark in the U.S. At least a dozen other regional U.S. CMDA/LTE carriers sold the XT1250, which is the exact same device as the XT1254. The only thing exclusive about the Droid Turbo XT1254 is "Droid" name -- which doesn't really mean anything -- and the locked down bootloader, which is not imposed on any other Motorola Quark phone.)
The Moto Maxx/Moto Turbo XT1225 has more HSPA bands, more LTE bands. However, none of the Quarks (XT1254, XT1225, XT1250) have LTE band 20, which is used in Europe a lot. Doing some research, seems the carriers in France use LTE bands 3, 7, and 20? If LTE band 3 or 7 in your area, then you are in luck. If your carrier uses LTE band 20 in your area, then you will have to depend on your HSPA...
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All the Quarks have identical hardware, except for differences in internal memory (32GB/64GB) and back plates (kevlar-only or ballistic nylon + kevlar underneath).
Even though I live in the U.S., I own three of the "international" XT1225 as it has all the LTE bands I need for AT&T. Since it does have more bands, only comes in 64GB internal storage, with ballistic nylon + kevlar underneath and bootloader easily unlocked for FREE, the prices have not dropped on the XT1225 as much as the 32GB Droid Turbo XT1254 (less storage, less usable bands, problematic bootloader) which has more limited appeal. There is a 64GB version of the Droid Turbo, which also only comes in ballistic nylon + kevlar underneath, but all the used $120 eBay ones will be the lesser 32GB versions with kevlar-only backplate.
The XT1225 just had official Motorola Marshmallow released this last week, although all the Quarks have had custom Marshmallow ROMs (CM13, Resurrection Remix, Mokee AOSP) since February 2016. The XT1254 official Motorola Marshmallow ROM has still not been released.
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RADIO BANDS
The XT1225 and XT1254/XT1250 all share LTE bands 2, 3, 4, 7.
The XT1225 additionally has LTE band 5 and 17 (which is fantastic since they are the bands used by my U.S. carrier, AT&T).
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The XT1254/XT1250 instead has LTE band 13 (Verizon LTE band), plus CDMA bands. While it does have some HSPA bands, there's not as many as in the XT1225.
FCC ID IHDT56PK1
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For more information, see this post:
Thinking on buying a Moto Maxx, is it worth it?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=66188374&postcount=3

Wow, thank you for your detailed answers !
Of course I would prefer the XT1225, but I don't find it at a reasonable price. I'm looking for a used one : I don't want to spend more than 200 $ on a phone, and i'm glad I didn't pay a lot for my Droid Maxx (I'll miss this phone !).
I don't know if i'm allowed to post the link, but on eBay you can find the XT1254 starting at 119 $, and I can't find a Moto Maxx on sale. I'll try to find an eBay seller who can answer about the phone's software version.
If it can help other readers, in France, the XT1254 has the same HSPA bands (3G) as other phones, but lacks the LTE band 20 (Orange, maybe other) which is 800 Mhz and more and more used in my country. Only LTE 2600 Mhz can be used, and this frequency is only available in downtown.
So if I can find this phone at ~150$, which still has great performances I guess, I won't mind missing LTE. But the software version will be gambling (you can't even ask a question to vendors)...
Thank you both for your help !
Cheers

a-m13 said:
I don't know if i'm allowed to post the link, but on eBay you can find the XT1254 starting at 119 $, and I can't find a Moto Maxx on sale. I'll try to find an eBay seller who can answer about the phone's software version.
So if I can find this phone at ~150$, which still has great performances I guess, I won't mind missing LTE. But the software version will be gambling (you can't even ask a question to vendors)...
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Why can't you ask a question? Yes, you can ask questions of the seller on eBay. Some high-volume sellers may not answer, but individual sellers usually will.
I do all the time. I'll ask what version a router is, etc.
Down towards the bottom of the listing (not the bottom of the page, but just the listing), there's "Ask a Question".
Then in category, choose "Other".
In Chrome, choose Ctrl - F (find) and type in the word "question". It will take you right to the link on that page.

Look for the Moto Maxx XT1250. They have them on Jet.com I know, I'm sure they would pop up elsewhere also. probably the best bet

ChazzMatt said:
Why can't you ask a question? Yes, you can ask questions of the seller on eBay. Some high-volume sellers may not answer, but individual sellers usually will.
I do all the time. I'll ask what version a router is, etc.
Down towards the bottom of the listing (not the bottom of the page, but just the listing), there's "Ask a Question".
Then in category, choose "Other".
In Chrome, choose Ctrl - F (find) and type in the word "question". It will take you right to the link on that page.
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Yes, sorry, I forgot to mention that I found only high-volume sellers, who makes the most interesting prices. I found a XT1254 64Gb for 145 $, which is more the price point I was looking for. I didn't find any of the Moto Maxx models on Jet.com ? And I'm not really aware of other famous American websites which could sell these kind of phones
Can you confirm me if, even with the last firmware which doesn't allow bootloader unlock, it's still possible to modify system partition with Qualcomm download mode ?

a-m13 said:
Can you confirm me if, even with the last firmware which doesn't allow bootloader unlock, it's still possible to modify system partition with Qualcomm download mode ?
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If you can modify system partition, isn't that the same thing as having root?
That's the whole reason for the Droid Turbo bootloader unlock, so you can have root. Without that, no root.
I don't want to give incorrect information. Someone else like @jcase or another dev can answer better.

ChazzMatt said:
If you can modify system partition, isn't that the same thing as having root?
That's the whole reason for the Droid Turbo bootloader unlock, so you can have root. Without that, no root.
I don't want to give incorrect information. Someone else like @jcase or another dev can answer better.
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No its not the same.
You van root turbo without bootloader unlock, the unlock just allows a proper root

a-m13 said:
Hello guys,
So yesterday I've been burglarized and lost my phone, a Droid Maxx.
I'm looking for a phone with the same size or less, and active notifications (is there a manufacturer doing these, except Motorola ?).
I loved the Droid Maxx except the locked bootloader which made me lose a lot of time, and I don't want to do it again.
If I read correctly the forum, the last firmware of the Droid Turbo doesn't work with sunshine, so I would be stuck trying to root with python scripts for days.
So I just would like your opinions about this. Is the Droid Turbo a good choice, how can I be sure to get one with firmware prior to SU4TL-49, should I look for the international Moto Maxx, or do you have some other models which combine average size, moto notifications and great battery life ?
I live in France and can find the Droid Turbo for 120$ on eBay US...
Thanks for your help, and have a nice day !
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I just bought a 64gb xt1254 phone for $159 usd in extremely close to new condition (I can't find a flaw) on .44 (sunshine friendly)
From this eBay buyer
http://www.ebay.com/itm/381666078232
Sent from my DROID Turbo using XDA-Developers mobile app

Thanks for all your advices. So I got my new Droid today, and I'm glad it's on .44 firmware bought in eBay from "garanteecellular. Unfortunately they don't have 64 GB anymore. I'm not sure the next ones they get will have the same firmware.
See you soon on the Droid Turbo/Moto Maxx forums
Cheers
Edit : I have now an unlocked bootloader, and I can confirm LTE 2600Mhz is working in France with the Droid Turbo without any modification !

Need new Turbo - can I downgrade firmware so I can unlock boot?

Hey all - long story short, GF and I both have Turbos and still absolutely love them. We're also grandfathered in to Verizon's unlimited data, and being rooted/unlocked is a *lifesaver* with the wifi hotspot.
She *destroyed* her phone last week by accident - it still connects via bluetooth but the screen won't even turn on. A new screen is $250, but a refurb Turbo on Ebay is $130ish, so I'm looking for one there. BUT - I know it's got to be SU4TL-44 or lower or I can't unlock the bootloader. I've tried three different respectable Ebay vendors to see if they've got any phones with that firmware or lower, and they all either "are sorry we are unable to answer this question" or said it's all new stock with new firmware.
So I had a thought today........is there any chance I can flash SU4TL-44 to an Ebay refurb phone with current firmware? Will that open back up the Sunshine exploit?
Many, many thanks, all!! You're lifesavers in advance.

No, you cannot downgrade to -44 and allow it to be rooted.
I would suggest getting a non-Verizon version of the phone... I forget the model number, but I think ChazzMatt has posted this repeatedly here, and pointed people to getting a different model number that is always rootable and still compatible with VZ's network.

Great to know!! Sent him a PM, but looks like the xt1250 may be the way to go sure appreciate it, schwinn!

thetastycat said:
Great to know!! Sent him a PM, but looks like the xt1250 may be the way to go sure appreciate it, schwinn!
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Yes, it's the XT1250.
In the future you can also check Swappa beside eBay. People there (for the most part) tend to be individual sellers who would answer your firmware question.
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See this post:
"dev" version of the Droid Turbo XT1254
http://forum.xda-developers.com/droid-turbo/general/dev-version-droid-turbo-xt1254-t3391792
The Verizon guy broke his XT1254 and bought XT1250 as replacement, because of course it's identical.

thetastycat said:
Hey Chazz - someone just pointed me in your direction; hoping you might be able to give me a little advice about getting a Droid Turbo that I can root/unlock!
I did find one of the threads - just so I'm clear, basically I can get a refurb (or new) xt1250, then unlock the bootloader? I've done it to two Turbos; any chance the process is similar?
Many, many thanks!
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Easier to unlock your bootloader with any other Quark than the Droid Turbo XT1254.
You just get an unlock code for free from Motorola, and enter it in. Your bootloader is then unlocked. Only Verizon makes Motorola keep their Quark locked down. Other carriers who sold Quarks don't care, and some Quarks were sold directly from Motorola website without any carrier affiliation.
The XT1250, sold by many regional U.S. CDMA/LTE carriers is identical to the XT1254 -- same FCC ID, same radio bands, same hardware. The only "exclusive" Verizon had was a locked down bootloader.
Even the "Turbo" name is not exclusive. The XT1225 Quark sold in India is the Moto Turbo. So, when people say, "I have a Turbo" -- makes me want to ask WHICH Turbo do you have?
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The XT1225 and XT1254/XT1250 all share LTE bands 2, 3, 4, 7.
The XT1225 additionally has LTE band 5 and 17 (more bands used by AT&T).
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The XT1254/XT1250 instead has LTE band 13 (Verizon LTE band), plus CDMA bands. While it does have some HSPA bands, there's not as many as in the XT1225.
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ChazzMatt said:
Easier to unlock your bootloader with any other Quark than the Droid Turbo XT1254.
You just get an unlock code for free from Motorola, and enter it in. Your bootloader is then unlocked. Only Verizon makes Motorola keep their Quark locked down. Other carriers who sold Quarks don't care, and some Quarks were sold directly from Motorola website without any carrier affiliation.
The XT1250, sold by many regional U.S. CDMA/LTE carriers is identical to the XT1254 -- same FCC ID, same radio bands, same hardware. The only "exclusive" Verizon had was a locked down bootloader.
Even the "Turbo" name is not exclusive. The XT1225 Quark sold in India is the Moto Turbo. So, when people say, "I have a Turbo" -- makes me want to ask WHICH Turbo do you have? [emoji14]
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The XT1225 and XT1254/XT1250 all share LTE bands 2, 3, 4, 7.
The XT1225 additionally has LTE band 5 and 17 (more bands used by AT&T).
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The XT1254/XT1250 instead has LTE band 13 (Verizon LTE band), plus CDMA bands. While it does have some HSPA bands, there's not as many as in the XT1225.
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Please answer one question,
You mentioned that all quarks have same hardware like they have Qualcomm snapdragon 805 chipset,
Then how it is possible that some carrier Brands have additional bands than the other carrier quarks.
Some bands are common in all carriers while some offer additional bands owing the same chipset.
How this phenomenon works???

Nido221 said:
Please answer one question,
You mentioned that all quarks have same hardware like they have Qualcomm snapdragon 805 chipset,
Then how it is possible that some carrier Brands have additional bands than the other carrier quarks.
Some bands are common in all carriers while some offer additional bands owing the same chipset.
How this phenomenon works???
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It works like with all other Android phones. For instance, all 2013 LG G2, 2014 LG G3, 2015 LG G4 for various carriers/countries all have the same hardware -- but different radio bands, different FCC ID's.
Go look at the LG G4 Verizon version vs the AT&T version vs LG G4 sold in Europe. You will see some common LTE bands, some different.
I haven't checked AT&T's LG G2, LG G3, LG G4 -- but the AT&T versions probably don't have LTE band 13, yet but Verizon does. AT&T and Verizon probably doesn't have Europe LTE band 20. Yet they all these models have the same hardware. Same Qualcomm Snapdragon chipset, same cameras, same displays, and they are the same phone series (for each year)
Of the QUARKS, the XT1250 U.S. Moto Maxx and XT1254 Droid Turbo have the same FCC ID. They have the same radio bands.
The XT1225 Moto Maxx and XT1225 Moto Turbo share a different FCC ID and they have the same radio bands.
If you are suggesting some XT1225 have different radio bands than other XT1225, you are wrong. All the XT1225 (Motor Maxx, Moto Turbo) have the same bands, no matter where sold. Motorola did not list all the bands initially, but we found them anyway. Then for India, Motorola finally admitted admitted all the HSPA/LTE bands for the XT1225.

ChazzMatt said:
It works like with all other Android phones. For instance, all 2013 LG G2, 2014 LG G3, 2015 LG G4 for various carriers/countries all have the same hardware -- but different radio bands, different FCC ID's.
Go look at the LG G4 Verizon version vs the AT&T version vs LG G4 sold in Europe. You will see some common LTE bands, some different.
I haven't checked AT&T's LG G2, LG G3, LG G4 -- but the AT&T versions probably don't have LTE band 13, yet but Verizon does. AT&T and Verizon probably doesn't have Europe LTE band 20. Yet they all these models have the same hardware. Same Qualcomm Snapdragon chipset, same cameras, same displays, and they are the same phone series (for each year)
Of the QUARKS, the XT1250 U.S. Moto Maxx and XT1254 Droid Turbo have the same FCC ID. They have the same radio bands.
The XT1225 Moto Maxx and XT1225 Moto Turbo share a different FCC ID and they have the same radio bands.
If you are suggesting some XT1225 have different radio bands than other XT1225, you are wrong. All the XT1225 (Motor Maxx, Moto Turbo) have the same bands, no matter where sold. Motorola did not list all the bands initially, but we found them anyway. Then for India, Motorola finally admitted admitted all the HSPA/LTE bands for the XT1225.
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Thank you very much for your answer. However, it ends then at the following conclusions...
1...One chipset(radio) have all the frequency bands for gsm,cdma,hspa and lte bands.
2... It is the OEM that determines which frequency or band is to make available according to Carrier requirements.
3...OEM can lock or unlock different bands despite that the Chipset is a global one which can provide all Bands.
Then the question arises either it is possible that a developer or a device owner can lock or unlock some specific bands according to their will or requirement[emoji782]

Nido221 said:
Thank you very much for your answer. However, it ends then at the following conclusions...
1...One chipset(radio) have all the frequency bands for gsm,cdma,hspa and lte bands.
2... It is the OEM that determines which frequency or band is to make available according to Carrier requirements.
3...OEM can lock or unlock different bands despite that the Chipset is a global one which can provide all Bands.
Then the question arises either it is possible that a developer or a device owner can lock or unlock some specific bands according to their will or requirement[emoji782]
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Yes. Some people have unlocked HSPA and LTE bands on some snapdragon chipset phones.
One Plus and Galaxy Samsung in particular. Do a Google search for "unlock LTE bands snapdragon".
It depends on the manufacturer workflow, whether the additional bands can be unlocked and the hardware (antenna) has to be able to receive the bands.

You guys are amazing - thank you!! Moto Maxx just arrived and I put the old SIM card in. It will place and receive calls as the correct number, but mobile data's not working - I just get an exclamation mark next to the bars. Any ideas?
Many thanks!!

Oddly enough, when it's connected to wifi, it shows full bars of 4g! But as soon as I disconnect wifi, back to the bars with exclamation mark
Your help is greatly appreciated!

thetastycat said:
Oddly enough, when it's connected to wifi, it shows full bars of 4g! But as soon as I disconnect wifi, back to the bars with exclamation mark
Your help is greatly appreciated!
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Where are you, which carrier?
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EDIT: OK, from your past posts it looks like you ordered the XT1250 U.S. Moto Maxx and you are on Verizon? (Sorry for not remembering, can't keep up with everyone.) I wrote this below before I investigated your past posts. Some may apply to you, some may not. There are others here who are on Verizon with the XT1250 -- find out which APN they are using.
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Sounds like an APN issue. I'm on AT&T in the U.S. with XT1225 and several APNs are are shown as available. If I choose one which uses AT&T network, but for which I am not authorized (like an MVNO), it will show bars with an exclamation point. It means a signal is present, but I cannot use it successfully.
I have to choose the correct APN.
Same thing happened when I went to Brazil last year with "international" data SIM card. I had to choose the correct APN to get data. Other APNs would show up as choices. The U.K. service I ordered the SIM card from helped me with their tech support as their printed installation instructions were a little off.
If you are sure you are using the correct APN, then you need to contact your carrier. For some reason they are blocking you from data. For instance, some carriers only allow their branded phones. Or their Level 2 tech support may need more information about the phone. (Better suggestion might be to talk to others here on XDA who have the XT1250 on Verizon.)

Chazz, you beat me to it - was just about to reply that it was an APN issue! To Verizon's credit, they spent an hour with me trying all kinds of stuff to no avail. But, they were positive about me using a non-verizon phone on Verizon - I expected the opposite. Finally heard back from the seller, who asked if I'd done APN stuff, which was the first I'd heard of APN. I googled Verizon APN and plugged in the first set I found and it worked like a charm. I'm a little surprised a. that the seller wouldn't include any documentation about this since it was advertised as working on other networks, Verizon specifically, and b. that Verizon tech support, even the higher tier, wouldn't have known to do this.
Chazz, she *loves* her new phone, and it's all thanks to you. THANK you!!!!!!

XT1250 for the win
thetastycat said:
Hey all - long story short, GF and I both have Turbos and still absolutely love them. We're also grandfathered in to Verizon's unlimited data, and being rooted/unlocked is a *lifesaver* with the wifi hotspot.
She *destroyed* her phone last week by accident - it still connects via bluetooth but the screen won't even turn on. A new screen is $250, but a refurb Turbo on Ebay is $130ish, so I'm looking for one there. BUT - I know it's got to be SU4TL-44 or lower or I can't unlock the bootloader.
I've tried three different respectable Ebay vendors to see if they've got any phones with that firmware or lower, and they all either "are sorry we are unable to answer this question" or said it's all new stock with new firmware.
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ChazzMatt said:
Yes, it's the XT1250.
See this post:
"dev" version of the Droid Turbo XT1254
http://forum.xda-developers.com/droid-turbo/general/dev-version-droid-turbo-xt1254-t3391792
The Verizon guy broke his XT1254 and bought XT1250 as replacement, because of course it's identical.
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thetastycat said:
You guys are amazing - thank you!! Moto Maxx (XT1250) just arrived and I put the old (Verizon) SIM card in. It will place and receive calls as the correct number, but mobile data's not working - I just get an exclamation mark next to the bars. Any ideas?
Many thanks!!
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thetastycat said:
Chazz, you beat me to it - was just about to reply that it was an APN issue! To Verizon's credit, they spent an hour with me trying all kinds of stuff to no avail.
Finally heard back from the seller, who asked if I'd done APN stuff, which was the first I'd heard of APN. I googled Verizon APN and plugged in the first set I found and it worked like a charm.
Chazz, she *loves* her new phone, and it's all thanks to you. THANK you!!!!!!
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And since it's an Moto XT1250, you can easily unlock the bootloader (for free) and root -- which you've probably already done. While Sunshine is GREAT and the devs who came up with it are dedicated geniuses, now that SUTL-49 is appearing more and more even on refurbs, the U.S. Moto XT1250 is still very much the "dev" version of the Droid Turbo XT1254.
Exact same device -- same hardware specs, same radio bands, same FCC ID, just sold in the U.S. to at least a dozen other regional CMDA/LTE carriers under a different model name/number. (Not MVNOs, but actual carriers with their own spectrum and towers.) And the U.S. Moto Maxx XT1250 runs on Verizon with a Verizon SIM card just like a non-Verizon Moto Nexus 6.
I know to regular readers I seemingly repeat this a lot, but you would not believe all the people who REALLY, truly believed Verizon's crap about this "Droid Turbo" phone being a world-wide "exclusive". It wasn't even exclusive in the U.S.! And the tech media just copied and pasted Verizon's press releases verbatim. (Only the "Droid" name and locked-down bootloader was exclusive -- not the device. The device was NOT exclusive to Verizon.)
I actually know about the cell phone industry, because I haven't always been on one the Big 4. I've actually used a regional CDMA/LTE carrier before, and I know how the business side of this stuff works, where so-called "exclusive" phones show up under different model names/numbers. Plus, I have a business degree, so I research a lot of this stuff for fun. It interests me.
When I first started publicizing the XT1250 being a clone of the XT1254 well over a year ago now, I got a lot of angry pushback from Verizon users here in XDA who did not want to believe their precious Droid Turbo was not the world-wide exclusive Verizon claimed it was.
I now have three XT1225 -- with full AT&T bands -- but at the time I only had two. That made them mad enough, that the sibling Quark Moto Maxx XT1225 had easily unlocked bootloader and was THE SAME device as the Droid Turbo, just with different radio bands. (PERFECT for U.S. AT&T!) Just like an LG G4 for Verizon (VS986) will have different bands than the LG G4 for AT&T (H810) -- but it's STILL an "LG G4" with the same hardware specs. A Moto Quark is a Quark, no matter the radio bands. It's just a Quark for a different carrier. The Droid Turbo users in this forum had to get used to the idea there were "Quarks" (plural), not just the Droid Turbo.
This article was laughably wrong:
Why the Verizon-exclusive Droid Turbo is actually good for you
as was this one:
The Motorola Droid Turbo on Verizon boasts a 48-hour battery life
But Verizon still gets Motorola exclusives, and the latest, the Droid Turbo, may be the most desirable Motorola phone this season.
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There were HUNDREDS of articles all over the internet, copying and pasting Verizon's blather about an "exclusive" superphone.
But wait!
Droid Turbo not a Verizon exclusive after all, as Moto teases Brazilian launch
So, no "world-wide" exclusive! Besides the XT1254, there was also the "international" Moto Maxx XT1225. Also, Motorola then released the XT1225 as the Moto Turbo in another country, so even the "Turbo" name was not exclusive. (This was before the forums were split and we were all in one forum.) "I have the Turbo" < WHICH Turbo do you have? There's more than one!
But then knowing Motorola also released a U.S. Moto Maxx XT1250 with easily unlocked bootloader -- with the same radio bands, same FCC ID as the XT1254 -- just threw them over the edge. There was a running 3 or 4 page argument, while I PROVED I was right. Mod warnings were actually given. But when I PROVED beyond a doubt the XT1250 had the same FCC ID as the Droid Turbo XT1254 that shut up the naysayers. FCC ID don't lie.
For those who don't know, there's the American Disabilities Act (ADA), and how handicapped people are able to use communication devices regulated by the FCC is linked to huge fines, potentially even prison sentences, and of course multi-million dollar class action lawsuits. That was actually where I first found the FCC ID for the XT1250, on a website for hard of hearing/deaf people. If two devices have the same FCC ID, they are the exact same device with no difference whatsoever. Companies like Motorola/Lenovo are not going to risk the liabilities to get something like that wrong.
ADA Compliance
WHAT IS ADA COMPLIANCE?
The Department of Justice (DOJ) published the Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA) Standards for Accessible Design in September 2010. These standards state that all electronic and information technology must be accessible to people with disabilities.
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Telecommunications Access for People with Disabilities
Do companies need to review all their products and services for accessibility and usability?
Yes. Accessibility and usability must be assessed for individual products and services. Accessibility features that can be incorporated into the design of products or services with very little or no difficulty or expense must be put in each and every product or service.
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To the U.S. government, it doesn't matter what model name you have, what model number for a communications device. The FCC ID is the identifier. No matter what Verizon says, the FCC ID shows the truth.
I am very happy to help people. And I am not a dev, by any means. But Verizon users knowing about this XT1250 alternative is going to save a lot of people some grief now that Verizon has locked out the Sunshine bootloader exploit. (Unless the Sunshine devs pull another trick out of their magician's hats and find another exploit.)
The 2014 Motorola Quark (XT1254/XT1250/XT1225) is still an excellent Android phone with a compilation of features that make it a winner. It was basically the 5.2" version of the whale Moto Nexus 6 -- and even with a bigger battery! Used/refurbs can be found for well under $200. Just this week, two more custom Marshmallow ROMs came online for the Quark (AOKP and Bliss), besides the CM13 and Marshmallow Resurrection Remix. All the Quarks except for the XT1254 Droid Turbo have easily unlocked bootloader. For the Droid Turbo only those on SUTL-44 firmware can be unlocked via Sunshine. But if you need Verizon and can't find an XT1254 with SUTL-44 (or lower, which can be upgraded to SUTL-44) then you can easily use an XT1250 instead of XT1254, unlock bootloader, root, install custom ROMs, etc.
Another XT1250 user on Verizon:
Bliss ROM
RL_Wells said:
I have the xt1250 on verizon...
my phone appears to be kicking a-- now.
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Chazz, you are absolutely a prince. Can't thank you enough! Seriously, I am having the *exact* same argument on a drone forum - I spent $200 swapping out a part to make my drone now identically capable to a higher model, and those who have my original model absolutely refuse to believe it. I meant the thread as a PSA about how easy and cheap it was so upgrade, but it's the SAME deal - those who are "stuck" (though in the drone case, they could easily upgrade, they'd just rather be stubborn) just aren't willing to consider the truth. I had to post live feed downlink videos to prove my point! But like you, I finally did.
Her refurb XT1250 seems even snappier than our XT1254s, perhaps because it's recently hard reset, but it's just a great phone. AND......I didn't even have to unlock/root it because wireless tethering just WORKS without having to do anything
Man, thanks again!!!

bought a used turbo 3 months ago , thinking of buying a new one.

i bought a used one with scratch on sides , i like this phone so much ,
i can't find phones that have the same design as droid turbo 1
is it recommended to buy a new one in 2018 ,
also where i can find the none Verizon ones ?

hotest_man said:
i bought a used one with scratch on sides , i like this phone so much ,
i can't find phones that have the same design as droid turbo 1
is it recommended to buy a new one in 2018 ,
also where i can find the none Verizon ones ?
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Swappa or eBay. Non-Verizon Quarks are called Moto Maxx and Moto Turbo.
The one with the EXACT same bands, same FCC ID as the the Droid Turbo XT1254 is the Moto Maxx XT1250. (It will even run on Verizon with a Verizon SIM card. It IS the same exact phone as the Droid Turbo but sold by other carriers.) It only comes in 32GB configuration.
The one that has no CDMA bands, but more LTE and HSPA bands is the Moto Maxx XT1225 and Moto Turbo XT1225 (Both XT1225 are same phone, just different model name depending on where it was sold). It only comes in 64GB configuration.
Those all have free bootloader unlock code available from Motorola.
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