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Black Kevlar GSM version?

Is there a black kevlar GSM version? I just saw a black kevlar verizon version in a store which I REALLY liked but I want to stay with tmobile.

bdb4269 said:
Is there a black kevlar GSM version? I just saw a black kevlar verizon version in a store which I REALLY liked but I want to stay with tmobile.
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1) I assume you mean non-CDMA?
All the Motorola " Quark" phones (Droid Turbo/Moto Maxx, and I assume also the new Moto Turbo) have GSM.
All have HSPA.
All have LTE.
But the U.S. (non-Verizon) XT1250 Moto Maxx and the XT1254 (Verizon) Droid Turbo have CDMA also.
The "international" XT1225 Moto Maxx has no CDMA bands and has some slightly different LTE bands than the XT1250/XT1254. But also some of the same LTE bands. For your purposes (T-mobile), all Quark phones released so far have LTE bands 2 and 4 -- which are the main T-mobile LTE bands. None of the Quark phones have the new T-mobile LTE band 12. But many people are using both the Moto Maxx and Droid Turbo on T-mobile in spite of that.
You can buy a Verizon Droid Turbo XT1254 and use it on T-mobile. But you cannot unlock the bootloader and you cannot root. For that you would need a Moto Maxx. I would recommend the XT1225 Moto Maxx.
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2) All the Quark phones (Moto Maxx/Droid Turbo/Moto Turbo) have Kevlar. It's just on the ballistic nylon versions, the Kevlar layer is UNDERNEATH the nylon. Kevlar + Ballistic nylon.
There's Kelvar there. You just can't see it. It's a layer below the ballistic nylon.
http://motorola-blog.blogspot.com/2014/11/moto-maxx-choose-to-live-life-unplugged.html
ENDURING PROTECTION
On the outside, Moto Maxx is designed with premium ballistic nylon, a first for the industry. It’s a high-quality, durable material with a distinctive texture and rich color - you might recognize it from outdoor gear, like backpacks. Under that, is a layer of DuPont Kevlar® fiber, a material that is five times stronger than steel. Moto Maxx is protected inside and out with water-repellent nano-coating and then topped with Corning Gorilla Glass.
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This is one of my two Moto Maxx XT1225 phones. Has Kevlar + Ballistic Nylon.
If you want only the Kevlar, you can buy a Kevlar-only replacement back cover.
Your only issue is the Kevlar-only replacement back covers (in red or black) all have the "Droid" logo. The no-logo ballistic nylon + Kevlar covers were made for the Moto Maxx. So, if you buy a Moto Maxx with ballistic nylon + Kevlar and and put on the Kevlar-only back, people will think your Moto Maxx XT1225/XT1250 is a Droid Turbo XT1254.
But yes, you can do that.
http://www.aliexpress.com/wholesale...26090203&SearchText=droid+turbo+battery+cover

ChazzMatt said:
1) I assume you mean non-CDMA?
All Quark phones (Droid Turbo/Moto Maxx, and I assume also the new Moto Turbo) have GSM.
All have HSPA.
All have LTE.
But the XT1250 Moto Maxx and the XT1254 Droid Turbo have CDMA also.
The "international" XT1225 Moto Maxx has no CDMA and has some slightly different LTE bands than the XT1250/XT1254. But also some of the same LTE bands. For your purposes, all Quark phones released so far have LTE bands 2 and 4 -- which are the main T-mobile LTE bands. None have LTE band 12. But many people are using both the Moto Maxx and Droid Turbo on T-mobile in spite of that.
You can buy a Verizon Droid Turbo and use it on T-mobile. But you cannot unlock the bootloader and you cannot root. For that you would need a Moto Maxx. I would recommend the XT1225 Moto Maxx.
2) All the Quark phones (Moto Maxx/Droid Turbo/Moto Turbo) have Kevlar. It's just on the ballistic nylon versions, the Kevlar layer is UNDERNEATH the nylon. Kevlar + Ballistic nylon.
There's Kelvar here. You just can't see it. It's a layer below the ballistic nylon.
http://motorola-blog.blogspot.com/2014/11/moto-maxx-choose-to-live-life-unplugged.html
This is one of my two Moto Maxx XT1225 phones. Has Kevlar + Ballistic Nylon.
If you want only the Kevlar, you can buy a Kevlar-only replacement back cover.
Your only issue is the Kevlar-only replacement back covers (in red or black) all have the "Droid" logo. The no-logo ballistic nylon + Kevlar covers were made for the Moto Maxx. So, if you buy a Moto Maxx with ballistic nylon + Kevlar and and put on the Kevlar-only back, people will think your Moto Maxx XT1225/XT1250 is a Droid Turbo XT1254.
But yes, you can do that.
http://www.aliexpress.com/wholesale...26090203&SearchText=droid+turbo+battery+cover
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Wow - thanks for all the detail!
So the verizon one is not actually locked to Verizon and it has all the same bands? (I don't root anyway... so I don't care about losing that ability)
If I decided to just get a back replacement how do I actually replace the back? I didn't even know it was removable.

bdb4269 said:
Wow - thanks for all the detail!
So the verizon one is not actually locked to Verizon and it has all the same bands? (I don't root anyway... so I don't care about losing that ability)
If I decided to just get a back replacement how do I actually replace the back? I didn't even know it was removable.
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They all have the same GSM/HSPA bands. XT1250 "U.S." Moto Max/XT1254 Verizon Droid Turbo also has CDMA.
XT2225 "International" Moto Maxx has LTE 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 17. (Motorola does not officially admit LTE band 5 is there.)
XT1250 "U.S." Moto Max/XT1254 Verizon Droid Turbo has LTE 2, 3, 4, 7, 13.
If you were on AT&T and or cared about rooting, I would strongly urge the XT1225, as it has ALL the AT&T LTE bands. Since you are on T-Mobile, any will work (LTE bands 2 & 4), and you don't care about unlocking bootloader and rooting.
Droid Turbo (XT1254) is not locked to Verizon. But the bootloader is locked down. This will not prevent you from running on T-Mobile, but will prevent you from running custom software that requires root.
Back cover is removable with something like a guitar pick, but do it gently. Others have bought replacement covers from that link above, for instance to change to the BLUE ballistic nylon cover. The blue ballistic nylon Droid is only available at Best Buy stores in the U.S. But you can buy a blue replacement cover and voila!

ChazzMatt said:
They all have the same GSM/HSPA bands. XT1250 "U.S." Moto Max/XT1254 Verizon Droid Turbo also has CDMA.
XT2225 "International" Moto Maxx has LTE 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 17. (Motorola does not officially admit LTE band 5 is there.)
XT1250 "U.S." Moto Max/XT1254 Verizon Droid Turbo has LTE 2, 3, 4, 7, 13.
If you were on AT&T and or cared about rooting, I would strongly urge the XT1225, as it has ALL the AT&T LTE bands. Since you are on T-Mobile, any will work (LTE bands 2 & 4), and you don't care about unlocking bootloader and rooting.
Droid Turbo (XT1254) is not locked to Verizon. But the bootloader is locked down. This will not prevent you from running on T-Mobile, but will prevent you from running custom software that requires root.
Back cover is removable with something like a guitar pick, but do it gently. Others have bought replacement covers from that link above, for instance to change to the BLUE ballistic nylon cover. The blue ballistic nylon Droid is only available at Best Buy stores in the U.S. But you can buy a blue replacement cover and voila!
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Thanks! So the one on Amazon says "Phone is locked to the Verizon Wireless network and not factory unlocked." Do you know where I can get the one that is not locked to verizon?
Also - one more question... will the verizon one have verizon apps on it that I can't remove?

bdb4269 said:
Thanks! So the one on Amazon says "Phone is locked to the Verizon Wireless network and not factory unlocked." Do you know where I can get the one that is not locked to verizon?
Also - one more question... will the verizon one have verizon apps on it that I can't remove?
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Actually that's not true. Misinformation from the past...
If you pay in full, not on contract, it should not be locked to Verizon. You can call Verizon to confirm.
See this discussion about the Note 4 on Amazon. Same misinformation, but corrected by buyers:
http://www.amazon.com/anyone-having...WA2K106GFC9S/1?_encoding=UTF8&asin=B00NKRDCFA
Sam says:
I know it is said that all Verizon LTE phones come factory unlocked, but when I chose 'Without a service plan', it shows that 'Phone is locked to the Verizon Wireless network and not factory unlocked.'
I wonder if anyone having received the Verizon Note 4 can confirm that it is unlocked.
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According to Verizon policy: "We do not lock our 4G LTE devices, and no code is needed to program them for use with another carrier."
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Confirmed. I can use my AT&T sim card inside of Verizon NOTE 4, phone call and MSG work well, but I can only get 3G signal(HSPA+) rather than 4G LTE from AT&T.
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Sam says:
I received the Note 4, my H2O SIM card works too.
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also see here:
http://www.verizonwireless.com/aboutus/commitment/safety-security/device-unlocking-policy.html
Device Unlocking Policy
Postpay Device Unlocking Policy:
We do not lock most phones or tablets that are activated with our postpay service, either during or after the term of your service contract or Edge installment sales agreement.
We do not lock our 4G LTE devices, and no code is needed to program them for use with another carrier.
We do not lock our 3G devices, other than our non-iPhone Global Ready 3G phones, and the simple code to program such 3G devices for use with another carrier is either “000000” or “123456.” If the user guide for your device does not provide instructions to access the programming menu, you can contact us at *611 from your Verizon Wireless phone, or (800)922-0204, for assistance.
The SIM cards used in our non-iPhone 3G Global Ready phones are locked. We willl unlock those SIM cards at your request.
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You can't actually remove the Verizon apps, but you can disable them. I'm not a Droid Turbo expert, however. I own two Moto Maxx.

ChazzMatt said:
Actually that's not true. Misinformation from the past...
If you pay in full, not on contract, it should not be locked to Verizon. You can call Verizon to confirm.
See this discussion about the Note 4 on Amazon. Same misinformation, but corrected by buyers:
http://www.amazon.com/anyone-having...WA2K106GFC9S/1?_encoding=UTF8&asin=B00NKRDCFA
You can't actually remove the Verizon apps, but you can disable them. I'm not a Droid Turbo expert, however. I own two Moto Maxx.
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Thanks much! I am going to go ahead and buy it. So by "disable"... does that mean it won't show in my app list?

bdb4269 said:
Thanks much! I am going to go ahead and buy it. So by "disable"... does that mean it won't show in my app list?
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you would have to check this thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/droid-turbo/development/debloater-3-4-released-t3011201
but I think the answer is yes. Droid Turbo owners can confirm.

I would recomend you to not buy the balistic nylon version because mine for example is fraying.

Bootloader unlock?

ok ive been out of the game for a while , and ive been reading around and im confused. Can it be done? ive seen the bounty and discussion threads and it seems like a "no". But... then are roms in the development section that require unlocked boot loaders??? can some one explain? is there an non-US non-Verison version that can be unlocked? whats the up with the roms?

No for the Turbo. Yes for the Maxx

so just to be clear, the moto maxx is the non verison droid turbo, and its still impossable to use a non vzw phone on vzw, right?

As far as I'm aware, it is still mostly impossible to use another device that's not from Verizon... I say mostly because there's technically esn cloning, but you'll need an extra (verizon) donor device, much knowledge, and luck.
Sent from my Droid Turbo.

X219c said:
As far as I'm aware, it is still mostly impossible to use another device that's not from Verizon... I say mostly because there's technically esn cloning, but you'll need an extra (verizon) donor device, much knowledge, and luck.
Sent from my Droid Turbo.
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now wait a min, i suggested esn cloning to activate the nexus 5 no vzw and was told it whould not work. i dgaf about the legality but in theory are you saying is could write the esn or rather my MEID, from my old razr hd to a Moto Maxx and it will work?

Back in the day, maybe... Now it's much more complex with vzw going to volte, sim cards, etc... I'm not knowledgeable enough to say it's possible or not... My guess would be it'd cost more in time and actual cost than it's worth. That's leaving the legality aside, which isn't to be taken lightly.
Sent from my Droid Turbo.
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Tl;dr. It may still be possible, but it wouldn't be worth it.
Sent from my Droid Turbo.

X219c said:
As far as I'm aware, it is still mostly impossible to use another device that's not from Verizon... I say mostly because there's technically esn cloning, but you'll need an extra (verizon) donor device, much knowledge, and luck.
Sent from my Droid Turbo.
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While the Maxx cannot be brought to Verizon, there are some devices that can, like the Nexus 6.

TheWhiteChallenger said:
so just to be clear, the moto maxx is the non verison droid turbo, and its still impossable to use a non vzw phone on vzw, right?
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You can use the U.S. Moto Maxx XT1250 on Verizon. Someone said they did. They put in a Verizon SIM card and it worked.
It's the Moto Maxx that has the same FCC ID as the Droid Turbo -- not to be confused with the INTERNATIONAL Moto Maxx/Moto Turbo XT1225.
The Moto Maxx XT1250 has CDMA/GSM/HSPA/LTE identical to the Droid Turob XT1254. All the Moto Maxx phones have bootloaders than can be unlocked, even the U.S. XT1250.

I've been looking all over ... Where could even find a 1250? Would love to get my hands on one
Sent from my XT1254 using XDA Free mobile app

ChazzMatt said:
You can use the U.S. Moto Maxx XT1250 on Verizon. Someone said they did. They put in a Verizon SIM card and it worked.
It's the Moto Maxx that has the same FCC ID as the Droid Turbo -- not to be confused with the INTERNATIONAL Moto Maxx/Moto Turbo XT1225.
The Moto Maxx XT1250 has CDMA/GSM/HSPA/LTE identical to the Droid Turob XT1254. All the Moto Maxx phones have bootloaders than can be unlocked, even the U.S. XT1250.
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yea? what carrier are they for? the XT1250?

TheWhiteChallenger said:
yea? what carrier are they for? the XT1250?
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Many regional CDMA/LTE carriers. Over half a dozen. Actual carriers with their own spectrum and towers. Most have roaming agreements with Sprint and Verizon, therefore their phones have to be totally compatible.
There's a list in another thread.

sweet i love loopholes

TheWhiteChallenger said:
now wait a min, i suggested esn cloning to activate the nexus 5 no vzw and was told it whould not work. i dgaf about the legality but in theory are you saying is could write the esn or rather my MEID, from my old razr hd to a Moto Maxx and it will work?
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That's because nexus 5 did not have the vzw bands to work on vzw in the first place.
With vzw having LTE sim cards now any unlocked device that has the correct bands open "should" work without esn/meid cloning. Notice "should" - vzw is strange in that with any "unsupported" device it is strictly YMMV.

IMA call these guys as soon as I have cash. If I get my heads on one I'll let every one know. What's the best phone Vzw has right now as far as resell value?

X219c said:
Back in the day, maybe... Now it's much more complex with vzw going to volte, sim cards, etc... I'm not knowledgeable enough to say it's possible or not... My guess would be it'd cost more in time and actual cost than it's worth. That's leaving the legality aside, which isn't to be taken lightly.
Sent from my Droid Turbo.
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Tl;dr. It may still be possible, but it wouldn't be worth it.
Sent from my Droid Turbo.
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oh interesting side note i used to work for vzw and apparently it is still possible to clone 4g devices

ChazzMatt said:
Many regional CDMA/LTE carriers. Over half a dozen. Actual carriers with their own spectrum and towers. Most have roaming agreements with Sprint and Verizon, therefore their phones have to be totally compatible.
There's a list in another thread.
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can you plz post a link to that thread i cant find it again
nvrmind i found it.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=58865000&postcount=197

TheWhiteChallenger said:
oh interesting side note i used to work for vzw and apparently it is still possible to clone 4g devices
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TheWhiteChallenger said:
can you plz post a link to that thread i cant find it again
nvrmind i found it.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=58865000&postcount=197
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Besides my own research, pulled this from another forum:
Known carriers that have the XT1250 include (but not limited to):
Cellcom (Wisconsin)
Copper Valley Telecom (Alaska)
NorthwestCell (Missouri)
Pioneer Cellular (Oklahoma, Kansas)
Thumb Cellular (Michigan)
Chariton Valley Wireless (Missouri)
Chat Mobility (Iowa)
Bluegrass Cellular (Kentucky)
Custer Telephone Cooperative (Idaho)
STRATA Networks (Utah, Wyoming, Colorado)
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And here's the link showing the XT1254/XT1250 the have the same FCC ID:
http://ckq7.com/link/3608_q-has-any...om-mexico-and-have-it-worked-on-tmobile-in-us
Just like the Moto Maxx Xt1225 and Moto Turbo XT1225 have the same FCC ID and identical bands -- even though Motorola did not initially list all the bands for the Moto Maxx XT1225.

For all of those wondering it is possible to use the xt1250 on Verizon. However the regional carriers won't sell direct to non customers I found another loophole and ordered one from an 'approved' retailer. Paid full retail and it was completely worth it.
So far the only two issues I have yet to figure out is how to get voicemail notifications as I can't find the official Verizon voicemail app and I'm not receiving any updates for 5.1. Neither is a big issue but would like to resolve.

wile e said:
For all of those wondering it is possible to use the xt1250 on Verizon. However the regional carriers won't sell direct to non customers I found another loophole and ordered one from an 'approved' retailer. Paid full retail and it was completely worth it.
So far the only two issues I have yet to figure out is how to get voicemail notifications as I can't find the official Verizon voicemail app and I'm not receiving any updates for 5.1. Neither is a big issue but would like to resolve.
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You can always try to install CM12.1 (Lollipop 5.1.1) for our Quark phones). Since you can unlock the bootloader, ROOT, and install TWRP -- you can also install custom ROMs!
@Skrilax_CZ (Quark CM12.1 maintainer) says he will help anyone with an XT1250 install CM12.1 if you contact him. Do not try to install it before contacting him!
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Someone just bought an XT1250 from this carrier -- or is in the process of buying it...
The carrier is in Oklahoma.
http://sprocketwireless.com/product/moto-maxx-xt-1250/
You just have to convince them to sell it to you out of their market area... Tell them it's a gift for a relative or something...
I told the guy to tell them it was a gift for someone and THEY would activate it. He replied back today...
Buying it on Monday, waiting for them to get the Black version in stock.
But they are willing to sell it, after some convincing.
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Moto Maxx XT 1250
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So do these small carriers push OTAs? I know most here wouldnt want one, but it seems odd we havent heard from anyone who actually took the chance on one of these (have we?) Does it mean there are stockrooms somewhere full of Moto Maxxes?
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So, if I order a Maxx from this Pioneer provider at cost, and never activate it with them, I could bring it over to Europe along side my Turbo?

Need new Turbo - can I downgrade firmware so I can unlock boot?

Hey all - long story short, GF and I both have Turbos and still absolutely love them. We're also grandfathered in to Verizon's unlimited data, and being rooted/unlocked is a *lifesaver* with the wifi hotspot.
She *destroyed* her phone last week by accident - it still connects via bluetooth but the screen won't even turn on. A new screen is $250, but a refurb Turbo on Ebay is $130ish, so I'm looking for one there. BUT - I know it's got to be SU4TL-44 or lower or I can't unlock the bootloader. I've tried three different respectable Ebay vendors to see if they've got any phones with that firmware or lower, and they all either "are sorry we are unable to answer this question" or said it's all new stock with new firmware.
So I had a thought today........is there any chance I can flash SU4TL-44 to an Ebay refurb phone with current firmware? Will that open back up the Sunshine exploit?
Many, many thanks, all!! You're lifesavers in advance.

No, you cannot downgrade to -44 and allow it to be rooted.
I would suggest getting a non-Verizon version of the phone... I forget the model number, but I think ChazzMatt has posted this repeatedly here, and pointed people to getting a different model number that is always rootable and still compatible with VZ's network.

Great to know!! Sent him a PM, but looks like the xt1250 may be the way to go sure appreciate it, schwinn!

thetastycat said:
Great to know!! Sent him a PM, but looks like the xt1250 may be the way to go sure appreciate it, schwinn!
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Yes, it's the XT1250.
In the future you can also check Swappa beside eBay. People there (for the most part) tend to be individual sellers who would answer your firmware question.
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See this post:
"dev" version of the Droid Turbo XT1254
http://forum.xda-developers.com/droid-turbo/general/dev-version-droid-turbo-xt1254-t3391792
The Verizon guy broke his XT1254 and bought XT1250 as replacement, because of course it's identical.

thetastycat said:
Hey Chazz - someone just pointed me in your direction; hoping you might be able to give me a little advice about getting a Droid Turbo that I can root/unlock!
I did find one of the threads - just so I'm clear, basically I can get a refurb (or new) xt1250, then unlock the bootloader? I've done it to two Turbos; any chance the process is similar?
Many, many thanks!
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Easier to unlock your bootloader with any other Quark than the Droid Turbo XT1254.
You just get an unlock code for free from Motorola, and enter it in. Your bootloader is then unlocked. Only Verizon makes Motorola keep their Quark locked down. Other carriers who sold Quarks don't care, and some Quarks were sold directly from Motorola website without any carrier affiliation.
The XT1250, sold by many regional U.S. CDMA/LTE carriers is identical to the XT1254 -- same FCC ID, same radio bands, same hardware. The only "exclusive" Verizon had was a locked down bootloader.
Even the "Turbo" name is not exclusive. The XT1225 Quark sold in India is the Moto Turbo. So, when people say, "I have a Turbo" -- makes me want to ask WHICH Turbo do you have?
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The XT1225 and XT1254/XT1250 all share LTE bands 2, 3, 4, 7.
The XT1225 additionally has LTE band 5 and 17 (more bands used by AT&T).
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The XT1254/XT1250 instead has LTE band 13 (Verizon LTE band), plus CDMA bands. While it does have some HSPA bands, there's not as many as in the XT1225.
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ChazzMatt said:
Easier to unlock your bootloader with any other Quark than the Droid Turbo XT1254.
You just get an unlock code for free from Motorola, and enter it in. Your bootloader is then unlocked. Only Verizon makes Motorola keep their Quark locked down. Other carriers who sold Quarks don't care, and some Quarks were sold directly from Motorola website without any carrier affiliation.
The XT1250, sold by many regional U.S. CDMA/LTE carriers is identical to the XT1254 -- same FCC ID, same radio bands, same hardware. The only "exclusive" Verizon had was a locked down bootloader.
Even the "Turbo" name is not exclusive. The XT1225 Quark sold in India is the Moto Turbo. So, when people say, "I have a Turbo" -- makes me want to ask WHICH Turbo do you have? [emoji14]
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The XT1225 and XT1254/XT1250 all share LTE bands 2, 3, 4, 7.
The XT1225 additionally has LTE band 5 and 17 (more bands used by AT&T).
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The XT1254/XT1250 instead has LTE band 13 (Verizon LTE band), plus CDMA bands. While it does have some HSPA bands, there's not as many as in the XT1225.
FCC ID IHDT56PK1
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Please answer one question,
You mentioned that all quarks have same hardware like they have Qualcomm snapdragon 805 chipset,
Then how it is possible that some carrier Brands have additional bands than the other carrier quarks.
Some bands are common in all carriers while some offer additional bands owing the same chipset.
How this phenomenon works???

Nido221 said:
Please answer one question,
You mentioned that all quarks have same hardware like they have Qualcomm snapdragon 805 chipset,
Then how it is possible that some carrier Brands have additional bands than the other carrier quarks.
Some bands are common in all carriers while some offer additional bands owing the same chipset.
How this phenomenon works???
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It works like with all other Android phones. For instance, all 2013 LG G2, 2014 LG G3, 2015 LG G4 for various carriers/countries all have the same hardware -- but different radio bands, different FCC ID's.
Go look at the LG G4 Verizon version vs the AT&T version vs LG G4 sold in Europe. You will see some common LTE bands, some different.
I haven't checked AT&T's LG G2, LG G3, LG G4 -- but the AT&T versions probably don't have LTE band 13, yet but Verizon does. AT&T and Verizon probably doesn't have Europe LTE band 20. Yet they all these models have the same hardware. Same Qualcomm Snapdragon chipset, same cameras, same displays, and they are the same phone series (for each year)
Of the QUARKS, the XT1250 U.S. Moto Maxx and XT1254 Droid Turbo have the same FCC ID. They have the same radio bands.
The XT1225 Moto Maxx and XT1225 Moto Turbo share a different FCC ID and they have the same radio bands.
If you are suggesting some XT1225 have different radio bands than other XT1225, you are wrong. All the XT1225 (Motor Maxx, Moto Turbo) have the same bands, no matter where sold. Motorola did not list all the bands initially, but we found them anyway. Then for India, Motorola finally admitted admitted all the HSPA/LTE bands for the XT1225.

ChazzMatt said:
It works like with all other Android phones. For instance, all 2013 LG G2, 2014 LG G3, 2015 LG G4 for various carriers/countries all have the same hardware -- but different radio bands, different FCC ID's.
Go look at the LG G4 Verizon version vs the AT&T version vs LG G4 sold in Europe. You will see some common LTE bands, some different.
I haven't checked AT&T's LG G2, LG G3, LG G4 -- but the AT&T versions probably don't have LTE band 13, yet but Verizon does. AT&T and Verizon probably doesn't have Europe LTE band 20. Yet they all these models have the same hardware. Same Qualcomm Snapdragon chipset, same cameras, same displays, and they are the same phone series (for each year)
Of the QUARKS, the XT1250 U.S. Moto Maxx and XT1254 Droid Turbo have the same FCC ID. They have the same radio bands.
The XT1225 Moto Maxx and XT1225 Moto Turbo share a different FCC ID and they have the same radio bands.
If you are suggesting some XT1225 have different radio bands than other XT1225, you are wrong. All the XT1225 (Motor Maxx, Moto Turbo) have the same bands, no matter where sold. Motorola did not list all the bands initially, but we found them anyway. Then for India, Motorola finally admitted admitted all the HSPA/LTE bands for the XT1225.
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Thank you very much for your answer. However, it ends then at the following conclusions...
1...One chipset(radio) have all the frequency bands for gsm,cdma,hspa and lte bands.
2... It is the OEM that determines which frequency or band is to make available according to Carrier requirements.
3...OEM can lock or unlock different bands despite that the Chipset is a global one which can provide all Bands.
Then the question arises either it is possible that a developer or a device owner can lock or unlock some specific bands according to their will or requirement[emoji782]

Nido221 said:
Thank you very much for your answer. However, it ends then at the following conclusions...
1...One chipset(radio) have all the frequency bands for gsm,cdma,hspa and lte bands.
2... It is the OEM that determines which frequency or band is to make available according to Carrier requirements.
3...OEM can lock or unlock different bands despite that the Chipset is a global one which can provide all Bands.
Then the question arises either it is possible that a developer or a device owner can lock or unlock some specific bands according to their will or requirement[emoji782]
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Yes. Some people have unlocked HSPA and LTE bands on some snapdragon chipset phones.
One Plus and Galaxy Samsung in particular. Do a Google search for "unlock LTE bands snapdragon".
It depends on the manufacturer workflow, whether the additional bands can be unlocked and the hardware (antenna) has to be able to receive the bands.

You guys are amazing - thank you!! Moto Maxx just arrived and I put the old SIM card in. It will place and receive calls as the correct number, but mobile data's not working - I just get an exclamation mark next to the bars. Any ideas?
Many thanks!!

Oddly enough, when it's connected to wifi, it shows full bars of 4g! But as soon as I disconnect wifi, back to the bars with exclamation mark
Your help is greatly appreciated!

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Oddly enough, when it's connected to wifi, it shows full bars of 4g! But as soon as I disconnect wifi, back to the bars with exclamation mark
Your help is greatly appreciated!
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Where are you, which carrier?
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EDIT: OK, from your past posts it looks like you ordered the XT1250 U.S. Moto Maxx and you are on Verizon? (Sorry for not remembering, can't keep up with everyone.) I wrote this below before I investigated your past posts. Some may apply to you, some may not. There are others here who are on Verizon with the XT1250 -- find out which APN they are using.
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Sounds like an APN issue. I'm on AT&T in the U.S. with XT1225 and several APNs are are shown as available. If I choose one which uses AT&T network, but for which I am not authorized (like an MVNO), it will show bars with an exclamation point. It means a signal is present, but I cannot use it successfully.
I have to choose the correct APN.
Same thing happened when I went to Brazil last year with "international" data SIM card. I had to choose the correct APN to get data. Other APNs would show up as choices. The U.K. service I ordered the SIM card from helped me with their tech support as their printed installation instructions were a little off.
If you are sure you are using the correct APN, then you need to contact your carrier. For some reason they are blocking you from data. For instance, some carriers only allow their branded phones. Or their Level 2 tech support may need more information about the phone. (Better suggestion might be to talk to others here on XDA who have the XT1250 on Verizon.)

Chazz, you beat me to it - was just about to reply that it was an APN issue! To Verizon's credit, they spent an hour with me trying all kinds of stuff to no avail. But, they were positive about me using a non-verizon phone on Verizon - I expected the opposite. Finally heard back from the seller, who asked if I'd done APN stuff, which was the first I'd heard of APN. I googled Verizon APN and plugged in the first set I found and it worked like a charm. I'm a little surprised a. that the seller wouldn't include any documentation about this since it was advertised as working on other networks, Verizon specifically, and b. that Verizon tech support, even the higher tier, wouldn't have known to do this.
Chazz, she *loves* her new phone, and it's all thanks to you. THANK you!!!!!!

XT1250 for the win
thetastycat said:
Hey all - long story short, GF and I both have Turbos and still absolutely love them. We're also grandfathered in to Verizon's unlimited data, and being rooted/unlocked is a *lifesaver* with the wifi hotspot.
She *destroyed* her phone last week by accident - it still connects via bluetooth but the screen won't even turn on. A new screen is $250, but a refurb Turbo on Ebay is $130ish, so I'm looking for one there. BUT - I know it's got to be SU4TL-44 or lower or I can't unlock the bootloader.
I've tried three different respectable Ebay vendors to see if they've got any phones with that firmware or lower, and they all either "are sorry we are unable to answer this question" or said it's all new stock with new firmware.
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Yes, it's the XT1250.
See this post:
"dev" version of the Droid Turbo XT1254
http://forum.xda-developers.com/droid-turbo/general/dev-version-droid-turbo-xt1254-t3391792
The Verizon guy broke his XT1254 and bought XT1250 as replacement, because of course it's identical.
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thetastycat said:
You guys are amazing - thank you!! Moto Maxx (XT1250) just arrived and I put the old (Verizon) SIM card in. It will place and receive calls as the correct number, but mobile data's not working - I just get an exclamation mark next to the bars. Any ideas?
Many thanks!!
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Chazz, you beat me to it - was just about to reply that it was an APN issue! To Verizon's credit, they spent an hour with me trying all kinds of stuff to no avail.
Finally heard back from the seller, who asked if I'd done APN stuff, which was the first I'd heard of APN. I googled Verizon APN and plugged in the first set I found and it worked like a charm.
Chazz, she *loves* her new phone, and it's all thanks to you. THANK you!!!!!!
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And since it's an Moto XT1250, you can easily unlock the bootloader (for free) and root -- which you've probably already done. While Sunshine is GREAT and the devs who came up with it are dedicated geniuses, now that SUTL-49 is appearing more and more even on refurbs, the U.S. Moto XT1250 is still very much the "dev" version of the Droid Turbo XT1254.
Exact same device -- same hardware specs, same radio bands, same FCC ID, just sold in the U.S. to at least a dozen other regional CMDA/LTE carriers under a different model name/number. (Not MVNOs, but actual carriers with their own spectrum and towers.) And the U.S. Moto Maxx XT1250 runs on Verizon with a Verizon SIM card just like a non-Verizon Moto Nexus 6.
I know to regular readers I seemingly repeat this a lot, but you would not believe all the people who REALLY, truly believed Verizon's crap about this "Droid Turbo" phone being a world-wide "exclusive". It wasn't even exclusive in the U.S.! And the tech media just copied and pasted Verizon's press releases verbatim. (Only the "Droid" name and locked-down bootloader was exclusive -- not the device. The device was NOT exclusive to Verizon.)
I actually know about the cell phone industry, because I haven't always been on one the Big 4. I've actually used a regional CDMA/LTE carrier before, and I know how the business side of this stuff works, where so-called "exclusive" phones show up under different model names/numbers. Plus, I have a business degree, so I research a lot of this stuff for fun. It interests me.
When I first started publicizing the XT1250 being a clone of the XT1254 well over a year ago now, I got a lot of angry pushback from Verizon users here in XDA who did not want to believe their precious Droid Turbo was not the world-wide exclusive Verizon claimed it was.
I now have three XT1225 -- with full AT&T bands -- but at the time I only had two. That made them mad enough, that the sibling Quark Moto Maxx XT1225 had easily unlocked bootloader and was THE SAME device as the Droid Turbo, just with different radio bands. (PERFECT for U.S. AT&T!) Just like an LG G4 for Verizon (VS986) will have different bands than the LG G4 for AT&T (H810) -- but it's STILL an "LG G4" with the same hardware specs. A Moto Quark is a Quark, no matter the radio bands. It's just a Quark for a different carrier. The Droid Turbo users in this forum had to get used to the idea there were "Quarks" (plural), not just the Droid Turbo.
This article was laughably wrong:
Why the Verizon-exclusive Droid Turbo is actually good for you
as was this one:
The Motorola Droid Turbo on Verizon boasts a 48-hour battery life
But Verizon still gets Motorola exclusives, and the latest, the Droid Turbo, may be the most desirable Motorola phone this season.
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There were HUNDREDS of articles all over the internet, copying and pasting Verizon's blather about an "exclusive" superphone.
But wait!
Droid Turbo not a Verizon exclusive after all, as Moto teases Brazilian launch
So, no "world-wide" exclusive! Besides the XT1254, there was also the "international" Moto Maxx XT1225. Also, Motorola then released the XT1225 as the Moto Turbo in another country, so even the "Turbo" name was not exclusive. (This was before the forums were split and we were all in one forum.) "I have the Turbo" < WHICH Turbo do you have? There's more than one!
But then knowing Motorola also released a U.S. Moto Maxx XT1250 with easily unlocked bootloader -- with the same radio bands, same FCC ID as the XT1254 -- just threw them over the edge. There was a running 3 or 4 page argument, while I PROVED I was right. Mod warnings were actually given. But when I PROVED beyond a doubt the XT1250 had the same FCC ID as the Droid Turbo XT1254 that shut up the naysayers. FCC ID don't lie.
For those who don't know, there's the American Disabilities Act (ADA), and how handicapped people are able to use communication devices regulated by the FCC is linked to huge fines, potentially even prison sentences, and of course multi-million dollar class action lawsuits. That was actually where I first found the FCC ID for the XT1250, on a website for hard of hearing/deaf people. If two devices have the same FCC ID, they are the exact same device with no difference whatsoever. Companies like Motorola/Lenovo are not going to risk the liabilities to get something like that wrong.
ADA Compliance
WHAT IS ADA COMPLIANCE?
The Department of Justice (DOJ) published the Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA) Standards for Accessible Design in September 2010. These standards state that all electronic and information technology must be accessible to people with disabilities.
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Telecommunications Access for People with Disabilities
Do companies need to review all their products and services for accessibility and usability?
Yes. Accessibility and usability must be assessed for individual products and services. Accessibility features that can be incorporated into the design of products or services with very little or no difficulty or expense must be put in each and every product or service.
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To the U.S. government, it doesn't matter what model name you have, what model number for a communications device. The FCC ID is the identifier. No matter what Verizon says, the FCC ID shows the truth.
I am very happy to help people. And I am not a dev, by any means. But Verizon users knowing about this XT1250 alternative is going to save a lot of people some grief now that Verizon has locked out the Sunshine bootloader exploit. (Unless the Sunshine devs pull another trick out of their magician's hats and find another exploit.)
The 2014 Motorola Quark (XT1254/XT1250/XT1225) is still an excellent Android phone with a compilation of features that make it a winner. It was basically the 5.2" version of the whale Moto Nexus 6 -- and even with a bigger battery! Used/refurbs can be found for well under $200. Just this week, two more custom Marshmallow ROMs came online for the Quark (AOKP and Bliss), besides the CM13 and Marshmallow Resurrection Remix. All the Quarks except for the XT1254 Droid Turbo have easily unlocked bootloader. For the Droid Turbo only those on SUTL-44 firmware can be unlocked via Sunshine. But if you need Verizon and can't find an XT1254 with SUTL-44 (or lower, which can be upgraded to SUTL-44) then you can easily use an XT1250 instead of XT1254, unlock bootloader, root, install custom ROMs, etc.
Another XT1250 user on Verizon:
Bliss ROM
RL_Wells said:
I have the xt1250 on verizon...
my phone appears to be kicking a-- now.
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Chazz, you are absolutely a prince. Can't thank you enough! Seriously, I am having the *exact* same argument on a drone forum - I spent $200 swapping out a part to make my drone now identically capable to a higher model, and those who have my original model absolutely refuse to believe it. I meant the thread as a PSA about how easy and cheap it was so upgrade, but it's the SAME deal - those who are "stuck" (though in the drone case, they could easily upgrade, they'd just rather be stubborn) just aren't willing to consider the truth. I had to post live feed downlink videos to prove my point! But like you, I finally did.
Her refurb XT1250 seems even snappier than our XT1254s, perhaps because it's recently hard reset, but it's just a great phone. AND......I didn't even have to unlock/root it because wireless tethering just WORKS without having to do anything
Man, thanks again!!!

Should I still buy it in 2016?

I want to buy a phone and I have a budget of 160$. I have found a Droid Turbo online for around 158$ and I find it perfect for me because it has an okay camera, good hardware and a fine size. The seller claims it to be on KK and say that it is GSM unlocked and will work on Verizon also. Will it work on my carrier if I update it to MM in the future? If it locks the network, how can I unlock it again?
Thanks in advance

muftiazan said:
I want to buy a phone and I have a budget of 160$. I have found a Droid Turbo online for around 158$ and I find it perfect for me because it has an okay camera, good hardware and a fine size. The seller claims it to be on KK and say that it is GSM unlocked and will work on Verizon also. Will it work on my carrier if I update it to MM in the future? If it locks the network, how can I unlock it again?
Thanks in advance
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Droid Turbo XT1254 is unlocked, FCC requires Verizon to unlock their phones for LTE. No, the eventual Marshmallow will not lock your phone from other carriers.
IF it's really on KitKat, you can flash SUTL-44 (Lollipop) from this forum, unlock bootloader and root. Do NOT NOT NOT take any OTA updates on the phone until you manually flash SUTL-44 from this forum. SUTL-49 ("security" update) will perm lock your bootloader.

ChazzMatt said:
Droid Turbo XT1254 is unlocked, FCC requires Verizon to unlock their phones for LTE. No, the eventual Marshmallow will not lock your phone from other carriers.
IF it's really on KitKat, you can flash SUTL-44 (Lollipop) from this forum, unlock bootloader and root. Do NOT NOT NOT take any OTA updates on the phone until you manually flash SUTL-44 from this forum. SUTL-49 ("security" update) will perm lock your bootloader.
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I wouldnt mind having a locked bootloader. I have a locked M8. I need this phone for usage only. I would like to know if there is a better option I have in this price range.
Thanks in advance

This is a strong phone for the cost. I just bought one for my daughter. But moto updates are likely to stop after marshmallow.
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muftiazan said:
I wouldnt mind having a locked bootloader. I have a locked M8. I need this phone for usage only. I would like to know if there is a better option I have in this price range.
Thanks in advance
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A locked boot loader means Verizon still owns your phone. You can't block ads, you can't uninstall bloatware and you'll never get updates they don't want to give you. Like upcoming Nougat. Verizon still hasn't officially released Marshmallow for the XT1254 Droid Turbo.
Unlocking the boot loader and rooting is FREEDOM. It's your phone. You can install Nougat when it comes out. You can install Marshmallow right now if you wanted (custom Marshmallow ROMS available since February 2016 -- still NOT released by Verizon/Motorola for the Droid Turbo).
But yes, it's still a strong phone. Specs were cutting edge, has kept up.
I own THREE XT1225, the "international" version of the Droid Turbo XT1254, even though I live in the U.S.A. The XT1225 has more LTE bands and HSPA bands than the XT1254, and bootloader unlocked for free by Motorola code. Of all the Quarks (XT1254/XT1250/XT1225), only Verizon's has carrier-locked bootloader.
Why do you want XT1254 if you live in India? Why not Moto Turbo XT1225?

Last week i just grab my Turbo (1st is unable to unlocked, 2nd the 64gb version, already unlocked it) because the screen size, battery, performance and price in 2016 is really reasonable.

No, don't do it. At least, wait til the new Nexus come out. Here's the deal. Finding a phone with similar specs isn't difficult these days, neither is finding a manufacturer with better support and customer service. If this phone came from some other company, I might say yes. If you don't like the new Nexus phones and can't shell out for an S7, this isn't a bad phone. But it needs TLC. And Moto isn't giving that out these days.

I haven't owned a phone where people haven't said the same thing about their manufacturer.
The truth of the matter is buying a high spec phone just ticks you off because it should be bought on KitKat and good for android 'o'. We're just annoyed that the money isn't there for them to continue the updates.
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Source: I own an att lollipop note 3. Grrr....
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The Horak said:
No, don't do it. At least, wait til the new Nexus come out. Here's the deal. Finding a phone with similar specs isn't difficult these days, neither is finding a manufacturer with better support and customer service. If this phone came from some other company, I might say yes. If you don't like the new Nexus phones and can't shell out for an S7, this isn't a bad phone. But it needs TLC. And Moto isn't giving that out these days.
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Finding another phone in the < $200 range with comparable battery life, a high res screen, Qi wireless charging and turbo charging IS difficult.
The battery life itself makes this one stand out against much of the competition, even at higher prices.
Summary of the phone's main feature weaknesses relative to current flagships:
1) Average quality camera, good by traditional Motorola standards, but inferior to flagship phones from competitors
2) No fingerprint reader (irrelevant to me, but some like it)
3) No flash memory slot
4) Verizon phone. Bootloader can be unlocked for $25 but push updates are slow (and probably will stop at Marshmallow, or might even stop with current Lollipop).
5) Rear facing speaker. Not the loudest speaker on the planet.

quadcrap1 said:
Finding another phone in the < $200 range with comparable battery life, a high res screen, Qi wireless charging and turbo charging IS difficult.
The battery life itself makes this one stand out against much of the competition, even at higher prices.
Summary of the phone's main feature weaknesses relative to current flagships:
1) Average quality camera, good by traditional Motorola standards, but inferior to flagship phones from competitors
2) No fingerprint reader (irrelevant to me, but some like it)
3) No flash memory slot
4) Verizon phone. Bootloader can be unlocked for $25 but push updates are slow (and probably will stop at Marshmallow, or might even stop with current Lollipop).
5) Rear facing speaker. Not the loudest speaker on the planet.
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the turbo has front facing speakers. they are at the top by the earpiece. They are also stereo speakers, but being so close together you don't really get a true stereo effect from them

single speaker, not stereo
Nitefire77 said:
the turbo has front facing speakers. they are at the top by the earpiece. They are also stereo speakers, but being so close together you don't really get a true stereo effect from them
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While yes, the QUARK has front facing SPEAKER -- it's a single speaker port, and not stereo.
One of the flaws of the Quark is Motorola did NOT put the same specs into they did the Shamu (Moto Nexus 6) -- like rear camera OIS and stereo speakers.
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Motorola Droid Turbo Teardown
https://teardowns.abiresearch.com/teardowns/pe_motorolateardown-droid-turbo-xt1254-32/#features
Speaker: Mono
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Droid Turbo by Motorola (Verizon Wireless)
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2471226,00.asp
Above the display is a single speaker port that, in side-by-side tests, sounds indistinguishable from the Moto X's speaker
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Moto X (2014) vs. Droid Turbo: Up close
http://newatlas.com/moto-x-vs-droid-turbo-hands-on/35192/
The larger, single front speaker on the Moto X delivers slightly better audio than the single front speaker on the Droid Turbo does.
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In fact in comparing the Droid Turbo to the HTC 8, this magazine also said one of the flaws was the SINGLE SPEAKER, compared to the stereo speakers of the HTC 8:
Phone Comparisons: Motorola DROID Turbo vs HTC One M8
http://www.androidheadlines.com/2014/11/phone-comparisons-motorola-turbo-vs-htc-one-m8.html
The Droid Turbo has a large, single speaker on the front of the device
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This is from 2014 in this very forum:
speaker Issue
4th November 2014, 09:10 AM
http://forum.xda-developers.com/droid-turbo/help/speaker-issue-t2927970
Javiggan69 said:
Can someone check to see when playing music through your speaker if it comes out through both sides or just the left side. If you notice the speaker has two openings on each side. I assume that sound should come out from both sides. Cover the left side and let me know what happens.
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coreywallen said:
turbo has a mono speaker and sound only coming from one side is intended.
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Even the successor Kinzie (Droid Turbo 2/Moto X Force) has only ONE speaker, even though it has two speakers ports. On the Droid Turbo2/Moto X Force, it's the left port that is fake. Only the right port works -- the mono speaker is behind it.
THIS was very silly. Just give us stereo speakers! Why pretend? Like we're not going to find out?
Neither the 2014 Droid Turbo nor the 2015 Droid Turbo 2 have stereo speakers -- yet the Moto Nexus 6 DOES have stereo speaker, so we know Motorola knows how to do it!

Can anybody pointout which is the best droid turbo model to buy for unlocking bootloader or preunlocked so twrp can be used n for root n xposed modules ...also being about in KT,LP,MM

jinderation said:
Can anybody point out which is the best droid turbo model to buy for unlocking bootloader or preunlocked so twrp can be used n for root n xposed modules ...also being about in KT,LP,MM
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I assume you are on Verizon? There are other Quark phones besides the Droid Turbo XT1254. Verizon's model is the Droid Turbo XT1254. There's also an identical phone sold by regional CDMA/LTE carriers called the U.S. Moto Maxx XT1250. Same radio bands, same FCC ID, runs on Verizon with Verizon SIM card just like a non-Verizon Moto Nexus 6. Easily unlocked bootloader for free, via code from Motorola. It's the "dev" version of the Droid Turbo. But only comes in 32GB variant.
There's also the "international" Moto Turbo XT1225 /Moto Maxx XT1225 with LTE bands 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 17 -- if you don't need Verizon bands. 64GB only. I own three and run two of them on AT&T. (3rd one is backup, still in the box) Easily unlocked bootloader for free, via code from Motorola.
If you do need Verzion bands, then stick with either the Droid Turbo XT1254 or U.S. Moto Maxx XT1250.
For the Droid Turbo XT1254, you want SUTL-44 firmware or lower. If lower, you can update to SUTL-44. Sunshine bootloader unlock ($25) only works on SUTL-44 (Lollipop). If it's updated to SUTL-49 (or higher, for people in the future reading this), you are out of luck. Droid Turbo XT1254 comes in 32GB/64GB variants. Once you unlock the bootloader with Sunshine (on SUTL-44), then you can root, install TWRP, xposed, etc.
Only the Droid Turbo XT1254 needs Sunshine to unlock the bootloader and root. The other Quarks are easy to unlock for free.

ChazzMatt said:
I assume you are on Verizon? There are other Quark phones besides the Droid Turbo XT1254. Verizon's model is the Droid Turbo XT1254. There's also an identical phone sold by regional CDMA/LTE carriers called the U.S. Moto Maxx XT1250. Same radio bands, same FCC ID, runs on Verizon with Verizon SIM card just like a non-Verizon Moto Nexus 6. Easily unlocked bootloader for free, via code from Motorola. It's the "dev" version of the Droid Turbo. But only comes in 32GB variant.
There's also the "international" Moto Turbo XT1225 /Moto Maxx XT1225 with LTE bands 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 17 -- if you don't need Verizon bands. 64GB only. I own three and run two of them on AT&T. (3rd one is backup, still in the box) Easily unlocked bootloader for free, via code from Motorola.
If you do need Verzion bands, then stick with either the Droid Turbo XT1254 or U.S. Moto Maxx XT1250.
For the Droid Turbo XT1254, you want SUTL-44 firmware or lower. If lower, you can update to SUTL-44. Sunshine bootloader unlock ($25) only works on SUTL-44 (Lollipop). If it's updated to SUTL-49 (or higher, for people in the future reading this), you are out of luck. Droid Turbo XT1254 comes in 32GB/64GB variants. Once you unlock the bootloader with Sunshine (on SUTL-44), then you can root, install TWRP, xposed, etc.
Only the Droid Turbo XT1254 needs Sunshine to unlock the bootloader and root. The other Quarks are easy to unlock for free.
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So all models of droid turbo are unlockable unless they r in MM SUTL -49 ...only xti254 is paid unlockable n others are free ? Is there no unlock bootloader under developer mode ? Or like LG via bootkey ? What is this via code method ?? I prefer to be on international or xti254... Im on tmobile..

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I prefer to be on international or xti254... Im on tmobile..
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See, on T-mobile you do NOT need CDMA and you do NOT need LTE band 13. You don't need the Droid Turbo, you can easily use the XT1250 (U.S. Moto Maxx, clone of the Droid Turbo XT1254) or the XT1225 Moto Turbo/"international" Moto Maxx.
The XT1225 has more HSPA bands, more LTE bands, but does not have CDMA (which you do not need).
Most of the Quarks are called "Moto Maxx". Verizon calls theirs "Droid Turbo". In India, Motorola used "Moto Turbo". Yeah, it can be confusing.
The "Droid Turbo" was NOT NOT NOT an exclusive to Verizon in any way. The exact same phone was sold by other carriers here in the U.S. and around the world. Just like an LG G4 is sold to other carriers here and around the world. The "Droid" name was "exclusive" (and means nothing), the device was not exclusive. The U.S. Moto Maxx XT1250 has the exact same FCC ID, exact same radio bands as the XT1254 Droid Turbo.
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So all models of droid turbo are unlockable unless they r in MM SUTL -49 ...only xti254 is paid unlockable n others are free ? Is there no unlock bootloader under developer mode ? Or like LG via bootkey ? What is this via code method ?? I prefer to be on international or xti254... Im on tmobile..
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No, there's no unlock bootloader in developer mode on the Droid Turbo XT1254. That's just to taunt you.
But all QUARK models are unlockable for FREE -- except for the Droid Turbo XT1254. Think of Quark (the model name) like an "LG G4" -- a device sold to different carriers all over the world, and some have different radio bands.
The Droid Turbo XT1254 is Verizon's name for their Quark. In India it was Moto Turbo XT1225. In other parts of the world, " Moto Maxx". SAME device, just different radio bands.
In the U.S. the U.S. Moto Maxx XT1250 has the same radio bands, same FCC ID as the Droid Turbo XT1254. It's the same, identical CLONE of the XT1254 and has easily unlocked bootloader (for FREE, through code given on Motorola.com) and will run on Verizon with a Verizon SIM card.
You acknowledge you give up your warranty, and Motorola gives you the code which will unlock your bootloader. (Again, only for the XT1225 and XT1250 -- NOT for the Droid Turbo, because Verizon demands Motorola keep the bootloader locked. Makes no sense.)
All the Quarks except for the XT1254 Droid Turbo can be unlocked for free via Motorola. Verizon made Motorola lock down their Quark.
The only way to unlock the bootloader on the Droid Turbo is an exploit Sunshine found which ONLY works on Verizon SUTL-44 firmware. If you find an XT1254 lower than that, you can carefully flash to SUTL-44, but do not let it update past that. IF you the XT1254 is already on SUTL-49 (which was pushed out in May 2016 to block that exploit), you are out of luck.
"SUTL" is Verizon firmware. The other Quarks do not use that nomenclature.
The XT1225 and XT1254/XT1250 all share LTE bands 2, 3, 4, 7.
The XT1225 additionally has LTE band 5 and 17 (more bands used by AT&T).
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The XT1254/XT1250 instead has LTE band 13 (Verizon LTE band), plus CDMA bands. While it does have some HSPA bands, there's not as many as in the XT1225.
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for those who NEED CDMA, NEED LTE band 13, NEED Verizon...
"dev" version of the Droid Turbo XT1254
http://forum.xda-developers.com/droid-turbo/general/dev-version-droid-turbo-xt1254-t3391792
otherwise the XT1225 (64GB) is the better phone for most people not on Verizon.
I've written about all this before:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=66972299&postcount=31
Same information, just written slightly differently, maybe easier to understand.

ChazzMatt said:
See, on T-mobile you do NOT need CDMA and you do NOT need LTE band 13. You don't need the Droid Turbo, you can easily use the XT1250 (U.S. Moto Maxx, clone of the Droid Turbo XT1254) or the XT1225 Moto Turbo/"international" Moto Maxx.
The XT1225 has more HSPA bands, more LTE bands, but does not have CDMA (which you do not need).
Most of the Quarks are called "Moto Maxx". Verizon calls theirs "Droid Turbo". In India, Motorola used "Moto Turbo". Yeah, it can be confusing.
The "Droid Turbo" was NOT NOT NOT an exclusive to Verizon in any way. The exact same phone was sold by other carriers here in the U.S. and around the world. Just like an LG G4 is sold to other carriers here and around the world. The "Droid" name was "exclusive" (and means nothing), the device was not exclusive. The U.S. Moto Maxx XT1250 has the exact same FCC ID, exact same radio bands as the XT1254 Droid Turbo.
No, there's no unlock bootloader in developer mode on the Droid Turbo XT1254. That's just to taunt you.
But all QUARK models are unlockable for FREE -- except for the Droid Turbo XT1254. Think of Quark (the model name) like an "LG G4" -- a device sold to different carriers all over the world, and some have different radio bands.
The Droid Turbo XT1254 is Verizon's name for their Quark. In India it was Moto Turbo XT1225. In other parts of the world, " Moto Maxx". SAME device, just different radio bands.
In the U.S. the U.S. Moto Maxx XT1250 has the same radio bands, same FCC ID as the Droid Turbo XT1254. It's the same, identical CLONE of the XT1254 and has easily unlocked bootloader (for FREE, though code given on Motorola.com) and will run on Verizon with a Verizon SIM card.
All the Quarks except for the XT1254 Droid Turbo can be unlocked for free via Motorola. Verizon made Motorola lock down their Quark.
The only way to unlock the bootloader on the Droid Turbo is an exploit Sunshine found which ONLY works on Verizon SUTL-44 firmware. If you find an XT1254 lower than that, you can carefully flash to SUTL-44, but do not let it update past that. IF you the XT1254 is already on SUTL-49 (which was pushed out in May 2016 to block that exploit), you are out of luck.
"SUTL" is Verizon firmware. The other Quarks do not use that nomenclature.
The XT1225 and XT1254/XT1250 all share LTE bands 2, 3, 4, 7.
The XT1225 additionally has LTE band 5 and 17 (more bands used by AT&T).
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The XT1254/XT1250 instead has LTE band 13 (Verizon LTE band), plus CDMA bands. While it does have some HSPA bands, there's not as many as in the XT1225.
FCC ID IHDT56PK1
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for those who NEED CDMA, NEED LTE band 13, NEED Verizon...
"dev" version of the Droid Turbo XT1254
http://forum.xda-developers.com/droid-turbo/general/dev-version-droid-turbo-xt1254-t3391792
otherwise the XT1225 (64GB) is the better phone for most people not on Verizon.
I've written about all this before:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=66972299&postcount=31
Same information, just written slightly differently, maybe easier to understand.
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Thanks so much for detailed explanation

XT1254 in Europe

Hey,
I'm planning on getting an XT1254 Turbo. I'm coming from a Moto X 2014. Reasons are mostly battery life.
I've only found the XT1254 and XT1250 that are still selling online. I would prefer to get the .54 as I'd like the extra storage. As far as I read over here, the XT1254 is the Verizon version, XT1250 the Verizon Unlocked GSM version, and then there's the XT1225 that's the International version Moto Maxx/Moto Droid Turbo.
There are absolutely no more XT1225 online to buy as far as I searched, so I'm kinda set with the XT1254 which would be the Verizon version.
My carrier is Vodafone, in Europe.
Would I encounter any particular problems as far as carrier compatibility, GSM/LTE bands and such? Will it work on LTE on either of the available bands?
Would I be better off using the XT1250?
Thanks!
LE: All's good. See thread and last post.

inkmars said:
Hey,
I'm planning on getting an XT1254 Turbo. I'm coming from a Moto X 2014. Reasons are mostly battery life.
I've only found the XT1254 and XT1250 that are still selling online. I would prefer to get the .54 as I'd like the extra storage. As far as I read over here, the XT1254 is the Verizon version, XT1250 the Verizon Unlocked GSM version, and then there's the XT1225 that's the International version Moto Maxx/Moto Droid Turbo.
There are absolutely no more XT1225 online to buy as far as I searched, so I'm kinda set with the XT1254 which would be the Verizon version.
My carrier is Vodafone, in Europe.
Would I encounter any particular problems as far as carrier compatibility, GSM/LTE bands and such? Will it work on LTE on either of the available bands?
Would I be better off using the XT1250?
Thanks!
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XT1254 = XT1250. They have identical hardware. The only difference is software. The XT1250 is not a Verizon phone.
XT1254: Officially locked bootloader (unlockable via Sunshine for a fee), unlocked SIM, CDMA and GSM capable.
XT1250: Officially unlockable bootloader, unlocked SIM, CDMA and GSM capable.
As for band compatibility, your best bet would be to look up the bands your carrier uses and the bands that the phone you're considering is capable of receiving. However, just for some anecdotal evidence, I took my XT1254 to Germany, Sweden and Czechia using a German SIM card that I bought, and the phone worked perfectly in all of those places.

TheSt33v said:
XT1254 = XT1250. They have identical hardware. The only difference is software. The XT1250 is not a Verizon phone.
XT1254: Officially locked bootloader (unlockable via Sunshine for a fee), unlocked SIM, CDMA and GSM capable.
XT1250: Officially unlockable bootloader, unlocked SIM, CDMA and GSM capable.
As for band compatibility, your best bet would be to look up the bands your carrier uses and the bands that the phone you're considering is capable of receiving. However, just for some anecdotal evidence, I took my XT1254 to Germany, Sweden and Czechia using a German SIM card that I bought, and the phone worked perfectly in all of those places.
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Also for the op...
The XT1254 and XT1250 bands are the same. I've posted them many times. LTE bands 2,3,4,7,13. Plus some HSPA (not as many as the XT1225), and CDMA.
XT1250 is 32GB only.
XT1254 is 32GB and some 64GB.
XT1225 is 64GB only.
If you're getting the XT1254 for additional storage, double check it's a 64GB model. Most are not.

Really appreciate it. Thanks for the info.
On a side note, does anyone know any other way of getting an XT1225 apart from ebay/amazon? I've also tried google searches; ended up on other selling platform sites but still nothing. Not even in used state.

Also, if it helps, I have a 64 GB XT1254. On the phone it says model: XT1254, type: M0DFE. That type number might help you distinguish between the 32 and 64GB models, but I don't know that for sure.

inkmars said:
Really appreciate it. Thanks for the info.
On a side note, does anyone know any other way of getting an XT1225 apart from ebay/amazon? I've also tried google searches; ended up on other selling platform sites but still nothing. Not even in used state.
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https://swappa.com/buy/moto-maxx-unlocked
There's a few used ones on here.
Never mind. I misread the site.

TheSt33v said:
https://swappa.com/buy/moto-maxx-unlocked
There's a few used ones on here.
Never mind. I misread the site.
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I wish. But I appreciate it

Just out of curiosity, why are you set on the Turbo/Maxx? There are plenty of better options out there.

PMed as to not clutter the thread

Found an XT1254 in great condition but the seller states it's carrier locked in Verizon. There's no way past that and make it work in Europe with other carriers, right?

inkmars said:
Found an XT1254 in great condition but the seller states it's carrier locked in Verizon. There's no way past that and make it work in Europe with other carriers, right?
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He's wrong. No Verizon postpaid LTE phones have been carrier locked since 2012 FCC agreement.
I can show you YouTube videos and an XDA thread from November 2014 (just after release) showing Droid Turbo running on AT&T, T-Mobile and Sprint. The Droid Turbo is not and has never been carrier locked.
No Verizon postpaid LTE phones are carrier locked (since 2012), or Verizon would have to pay hefty fines.
There's a lot of ignorance about carrier locked and bootloader lock. Many people don't know the difference. Plus Verizon infamously used to carrier lock their contract/postpaid phones (but haven't for about 5 years).
And yes, if you search the internet you will find a lot of those ignorant comments. Even here on XDA we had to educate people.

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he's wrong. No Verizon postpaid LTE phones have been carrier locked since 2012 FCC agreement.
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Interesting.
Well, he doesn't seem sure if it's locked or not. I asked him to head over to Verizon and see if it's locked and, if that's the case, to tell me the unlock-fee. He just said that he's not familiar with the process and that he won't do it. As for me, I probably won't be able to do anything with the unlocking process since I'm in Europe. He's in the US.
I'm committed to buying it but If all fails and it's indeed locked, are my hands tied or am I able to do something from my end when it arrives?
Thanks again.

inkmars said:
Interesting.
Well, he doesn't seem sure if it's locked or not. I asked him to head over to Verizon and see if it's locked and, if that's the case, to tell me the unlock-fee. He just said that he's not familiar with the process and that he won't do it. As for me, I probably won't be able to do anything with the unlocking process since I'm in Europe. He's in the US.
I'm committed to buying it but If all fails and it's indeed locked, are my hands tied or am I able to do something from my end when it arrives?
Thanks again.
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My comments stand. Search here on XDA for Droid Turbo on other carriers. I'll try to find a post.
---------- Post added at 08:48 AM ---------- Previous post was at 08:45 AM ----------
Here you go:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/droid-turbo/help/psa-droid-turbo-att-network-t3448833/page1
I know that post talks about AT&T a lot, but the point is the Droid Turbo has NEVER been carrier locked. But a lot of people think Verizon still does that. They're not allowed to, as a specific condition for having access to more LTE spectrum.

I didn't even think it was possible, so it didn't cross my mind to search for it. My bad!
Thanks for all the info!

inkmars said:
Found an XT1254 in great condition but the seller states it's carrier locked in Verizon. There's no way past that and make it work in Europe with other carriers, right?
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There is no such thing as a carrier locked XT1254. Verizon is legally required to keep them carrier unlocked per an agreement they have with the FCC, and I'm pretty sure that asshole who runs the FCC hasn't gotten around to dismantling that requirement yet.
EDIT: Oops, missed a whole page of discussion. Ignore me.

Just bought the XT1254 that I mentioned earlier. Will do a follow-up when it's here and all's good. Thank you everyone.

inkmars said:
then there's the XT1225 that's the International version Moto Maxx/Moto Droid Turbo.
There are absolutely no more XT1225 online to buy as far as I searched
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This was why I bought my third XT1225 new in the box back in early 2016 -- as a backup phone, just so something like this wouldn't happen. I bought it while there was still a little supply available on eBay.
My wife and I have the other two as daily phones.
That third phone still new in the box. Whenever I decide to sell it, someone will be very lucky.

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This was why I bought my third XT1225 new in the box back in early 2016 -- as a backup phone, just so something like this wouldn't happen. I bought it while there was still a little supply available on eBay.
My wife and I have the other two as daily phones.
That third phone still new in the box. Whenever I decide to sell it, someone will be very lucky.
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Yeah I realized I woke up too late to get a .25 or even .54s that are new in the box. Got the 2014 X back in 2015...time flew fast.
I would I'm planning on getting a 2nd one at some point soon...and the xt1225 would be better Promise I'd take care of it as if it was my baby.

Updating
1st XT1254 arrived yesterday with 5.1 official. Will probably settle in a few days, then take the OTA to MM since I heard there are some battery improvements there too so it won't hurt. Soon after I'll Sunshine it and move on to cr most probably.
Factory reset it and popped in my Vodafone SIM from my Moto X2 and after a few seconds I got 4G without any settings changes on my end. 'Global' was already set by default so that was probably why it worked straight away.
Googled beforehand that Vodafone uses Band 3 and 20 here. Out of the ones that the XT1254 supports, only Band 3 is a match. So far I can't seem to notice any drawbacks from having only one out of two available 4G Bands, so all's good.
I ordered a 2nd XT1254 soon after the first one as I found even a better price and at 64GB instead of 32GB. This one will arrive this Tuesday and I'm optimistic it will be smooth sailing regarding Carrier/4G compatibility like with the 1st Droid.
Just out of curiosity I went into SIM Status to check the signal strength and compare it to my Moto X2 which has an amazing coverage. They're both sitting at -96.
So for anyone having doubts about Verizon Droid Turbo XT1254 working to its fullest in Europe or anywhere else besides The U.S, just check your Carrier's supported 3G/4G bands and see if you have any match.
Any SIM card other than Verizon will work just as well as with a Verizon one. Only thing that you'll get is a notification every time you reboot the phone stating that the inserted SIM is not from Verizon. Dismiss and get going.
One other thing you'll want to check if you have issues calling someone is to head over in to the Dialer Settings and search for that one thing that will add prefix to the phone number (I forgot its name, but you'll find it easily). Even if you set the correct country you're in, you still might have issues calling. Just disable it so that it won't add any prefixes and you're good to go.
Thanks a lot @ChazzMatt and @TheSt33v for all the help.

inkmars said:
I ordered a 2nd XT1254 soon after the first one as I found even a better price and at 64GB instead of 32GB. This one will arrive this Tuesday and I'm optimistic it will be smooth sailing regarding Carrier/4G compatibility like with the 1st Droid.
Any SIM card other than Verizon will work just as well as with a Verizon one. Only thing that you'll get is a notification every time you reboot the phone stating that the inserted SIM is not from Verizon. Dismiss and get going.
Soon after I'll Sunshine it and move on to cr most probably.
Thanks a lot @ChazzMatt and @TheSt33v for all the help.
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Glad to be of help!
You'll like 64GB much better. Besides extra storage, all the 64GB Quarks have ballistic nylon + kevlar underneath, not just the kevlar backing.
I'm pretty sure installing custom ROM will take care of the Verizon annoyance SIM card notification.