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Any difference between T-Mobile and Dev Ed.??

Are there any differences between the Tmo and Dev Ed?
Will the Tmo work on AT&T's nework and get LTE?
If there is no difference I'd be tempted to go with Tmo's so I could motomaker mine.

jgolf said:
Are there any differences between the Tmo and Dev Ed?
Will the Tmo work on AT&T's nework and get LTE?
If there is no difference I'd be tempted to go with Tmo's so I could motomaker mine.
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No difference, same model. I'm using t-mobile motomaker on at&t with LTE just fine. Just don't let them change the IMEI on their system if you get a new sim card. Tell them to leave whatever was on there, or you'll get a plan without LTE. This applies to dev edition as well.

There are many discussions and many answers to this question. The answer I saw the most was to get a T-Mobile version for use on T-Mobile. The reason is the T-Mobile version supports a particular band for HPSA+ that other versions don't support. If your not in an LTE area, you will fall back to EDGE if your phone does not support the HSPA band needed. I can't confirm, only passing on what I read. I bought the T-Mobile version.
It appears as if you intend to use it on AT&T so it might make no difference. Why can't you use Motomaker on AT&T? Have they discontinued it?

scottjb said:
There are many discussions and many answers to this question. The answer I saw the most was to get a T-Mobile version for use on T-Mobile. The reason is the T-Mobile version supports a particular band for HPSA+ that other versions don't support. If your not in an LTE area, you will fall back to EDGE if your phone does not support the HSPA band needed. I can't confirm, only passing on what I read. I bought the T-Mobile version.
It appears as if you intend to use it on AT&T so it might make no difference. Why can't you use Motomaker on AT&T? Have they discontinued it?
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Thanks. Understood that your not confirming but reporting what you've observed. The reason why I would choose T-Mobile and use on AT&T is simply because I want the freedom and flexibility to move between different GSM carriers and their MVNOs just like I am able to do on my Nexus 4.
If the T-Mobile version works on a particular HSPA+ band that the Dev Ed does not, yet has all the other bands that the Dev Ed has, then that would make the T-Mobile phones a better and more flexible phone imo. People who need to root or unlock would feel differently since they have different priorities.
I really want to be able to use T-Mobile since they have the best monthly pricing (especially a family of four) and I love how they have shaken up the market, but T-Mobile indoor building penetration is so poor at my current residence that I really need to go with Straight Talk or Net10 with an AT&T sim, yet if I move or the coverage improves I would switch to T-Mobile.
Does T-Mobile have to giver you a code to get your phone to work on AT&T and its MVNO's?

finalarcadia said:
No difference, same model. I'm using t-mobile motomaker on at&t with LTE just fine. Just don't let them change the IMEI on their system if you get a new sim card. Tell them to leave whatever was on there, or you'll get a plan without LTE. This applies to dev edition as well.
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Does the t-mobile Moto X allow you to tether on AT&T without restriction?

I'm planning on ordering up a MotoX here shortly and have been wondering about the DE vs Tmo question too. After a LOT of google searches it seems they are the same phone with the Tmo version supporting extra bands. According to this article there is NO carrier branding or bloatware on the the Tmo version. The article also states that the Tmo Moto X comes sim unlocked with an unlockable bootloader via Motorola's unlock program. Given this, I cant understand why anyone would order the DE and not take advantage of the Motomaker customization.

There is NO difference at all. Same bands, same internals, same everything. The DE is more expensive because it's the 32GB model. The tmo one IS sim unlocked (some people don't believe that), and has an unlockable bootloader. Doesn't have a carrier logo stamped on the back either.

As for T-Mobile USA vs Dev edition.. From what I know, they support the same bands and both are SIM Unlocked. While both allow you to unlock their boot loader, doing so on the T-Mobile USA device will void its warranty where as unlocking the boot loader on the Dev Edition does not. That is why some would order the Dev Edition rather than a 32gig T-Mobile version.
As for T-Mobile vs ATT versions...
Two relevant quotes from John Renaldi of Moto here -> https://plus.google.com/114874428605785658638/posts/fkFtiVpXyHi
"TMO version will not have all the same LTE banding as the AT&T version. HSPA bands fine though."
"While the TMO version does in fact have all the AT&T LTE bands (your AT&T SIM will work), the hardware itself does not contain all the same bands as the AT&T version. Our TMO version supports: LTE Band 02; LTE Band 04; LTE Band 17 and the AT&T version supports LTE Band 02; LTE Band 04; LTE Band 05; LTE Band 07; LTE Band 17."
later in that discussion, someone else says... "the T-mobile and Dev variants have the same LTE bands (B17/B4/B2), so they'll be equal. On AT&T (in the US), they'll both do just as well as the AT&T variant. Bands 5 and 7 aren't used by these operators in the US." So not having LTE Band 5 & 7 on the T-Mobile US X wont be a factor unless you are traveling to a non-USA country that uses Band 5 or 7 for LTE.
The T-Mobile can unlock the boot loader, where as the ATT variant can't.

Hello
I have almost the same question. I found an article to root the moto G and the moto X (http://www.elandroidelibre.com/2013...buffer&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Buffer) (sorry it's in spanish)...bla bla bla I found the same that I found here but when I read the comments someone logged as "el mostro cortes" said that he flashed the developer edition's GSM factory image to his motoX. That make me think if I can do the same.
I found the radio specs of my carrier here in Colombia:
TIGO
GSM: 1900MHz
UMTS/HSDPA: 1900MHz
After that I look the motoX DEV-E GSM radio specs and find:
Networks:
GSM/GPRS/EDGE - UMTS/HSPA + up to 42 Mbps - 4G LTE
2G/2.5G GSM/GPRS/EDGE bands
850/900/1800/1900 MHz
3G UMTS bands:
850/900/ AWS/1900/2100 MHz with HSPA+ up to 42 Mbps (B5/B8/B4/B2/B1)
4G LTE bands:
700/AWS/1900MHz (B17/B4/B2)
With this info, can some help me and tell me if can i flash the motoX DEV-E GSM to my phone?
I search in wikipedia and I found that the motoX DEV-E GSM is a X1053 model, and my motoX is a X1058, it's still posible?
Thanks a lot for your help!!!!!:good:

It can make your head spin, but from the thread it appears T-Mobile X and Dev Ed X are the same, but AT&T X has them beat with LTE Bands 5 & 7, but that's moot in US since 5 & 7 are used outside US.
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jgolf said:
It can make your head spin, but from the thread it appears T-Mobile X and Dev Ed X are the same, but AT&T X has them beat with LTE Bands 5 & 7, but that's moot in US since 5 & 7 are used outside US.
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Thanks for clarifying that. 5 &7 are Just useless than in other words.
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10nisman94 said:
Does the t-mobile Moto X allow you to tether on AT&T without restriction?
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Yes you can tether, just like stock android.

jgolf said:
It can make your head spin, but from the thread it appears T-Mobile X and Dev Ed X are the same, but AT&T X has them beat with LTE Bands 5 & 7, but that's moot in US since 5 & 7 are used outside US.
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I should add, from what I've gleaned from what people are reporting in this thread, is that the
1) T-Mobile X and Dev Ed X, have an HSPA+ band that the AT&T X does not.
2) Therefore, in the US, the T-Mobile X and Dev Ed X are fully functional on AT&T's network.
3) But AT&T's X will be lacking some HSPA+ capabilities on T-Mobile's network.
Again, I'm not confirming or asserting any of this as fact, but only trying to summarize as best I can what we have been discussing.

aooga said:
There is NO difference at all. Same bands, same internals, same everything. The DE is more expensive because it's the 32GB model. The tmo one IS sim unlocked (some people don't believe that), and has an unlockable bootloader. Doesn't have a carrier logo stamped on the back either.
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Are you absolutely sure about this? Do you know it for a fact, or have you just read it somewhere?
I contacted Motorola today, to verify that the t-mobile off-contract version indeed was sim-unlocked, but they replied that it WAS sim-locked, and also was carrying the t-mobile logo on the back.
I think it's really hard to figure out who to believe, since many are reporting that it comes sim-unlocked, but wouldn't Motorola be the one to know for sure?
I am going to buy a Moto X at Mondays sale, but haven't figured out if I should just go with the dev version, or try the t-mobile version, which may or may not be sim-locked.

Odelheim said:
I contacted Motorola today, to verify that the t-mobile off-contract version indeed was sim-unlocked, but they replied that it WAS sim-locked, and also was carrying the t-mobile logo on the back.
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If you gain any further insight into this between now and Monday please do report back to this thread. I have zero knowledge one way or the other, but this is the first I've heard that there is any branding on T-Mobile X.

Odelheim said:
Are you absolutely sure about this? Do you know it for a fact, or have you just read it somewhere?
I contacted Motorola today, to verify that the t-mobile off-contract version indeed was sim-unlocked, but they replied that it WAS sim-locked, and also was carrying the t-mobile logo on the back.
I think it's really hard to figure out who to believe, since many are reporting that it comes sim-unlocked, but wouldn't Motorola be the one to know for sure?
I am going to buy a Moto X at Mondays sale, but haven't figured out if I should just go with the dev version, or try the t-mobile version, which may or may not be sim-locked.
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I bought a t-mobile motomaker moto x. Mine arrived the 21st. For a FACT it is unbranded and sim-unlocked. Using on AT&T. The phone has nothing to do with T-mobile other than it came with a T-mobile sim card.
edit: as you can see the phone has no branding.

finalarcadia said:
I bought a t-mobile motomaker moto x. Mine arrived the 21st. For a FACT it is unbranded and sim-unlocked. Using on AT&T. The phone has nothing to do with T-mobile other than it came with a T-mobile sim card.
edit: as you can see the phone has no branding.
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This is great news. Thanks a lot mate.
What I'm wondering is why on earth Motorola would give me such informations then. Is it a secret that it comes unlocked? Nevertheless this is profe enough for me. Awesome.

Odelheim said:
Are you absolutely sure about this? Do you know it for a fact, or have you just read it somewhere?
I contacted Motorola today, to verify that the t-mobile off-contract version indeed was sim-unlocked, but they replied that it WAS sim-locked, and also was carrying the t-mobile logo on the back.
I think it's really hard to figure out who to believe, since many are reporting that it comes sim-unlocked, but wouldn't Motorola be the one to know for sure?
I am going to buy a Moto X at Mondays sale, but haven't figured out if I should just go with the dev version, or try the t-mobile version, which may or may not be sim-locked.
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Yes. I'm sure. As another use posted above me, the device has NO tmobile logos, and is Sim UNLOCKED. I've put an ATT sim inside and it works fine. Moto chat is useless, they don't know anything about their own products. Get the motomaker tmobile version unless you don't care about colors. Then get the dev edition because unlocking the bootloader doesn't void the warranty on that one.
Tmobile doesn't really sell this phone, moto does. Tmobile didn't touch it at all, it's the developer edition with 16gb of storage and without the "Developer Edition" engraving.

aooga said:
Yes. I'm sure. As another use posted above me, the device has NO tmobile logos, and is Sim UNLOCKED. I've put an ATT sim inside and it works fine. Moto chat is useless, they don't know anything about their own products. Get the motomaker tmobile version unless you don't care about colors. Then get the dev edition because unlocking the bootloader doesn't void the warranty on that one.
Tmobile doesn't really sell this phone, moto does. Tmobile didn't touch it at all, it's the developer edition with 16gb of storage and without the "Developer Edition" engraving.
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Awesome mate. You saved the day! Thanks a lot.

Odelheim said:
Awesome mate. You saved the day! Thanks a lot.
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I just reread my post and it made no sense to me at all. (The info is still right, don't worry)
I don't know what I was doing when I wrote it. At least you understood it.

difference between the xt1050 and the xt1060?

what is the difference between the xt1050 and the xt 1060, i see on ebay theres a listing for motherboards rot $29 model # xt1050 listed as a generic cdma model, phonearena has no listing on the xt1050, did google search and found link that suggest its not compatible in the us. it it possible to install the xt1050 board in device for sell in the us as a cdma device?

Don't bet on it!
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I can partially answer that. the xt1050 is a device sold by 'regional carriers'. for example, I have an xt1050 but which was sold by alltel. there are other xt1050 models sold by Inland Cellular, Illinois Valley Cellular etc. Basically the xt1050 was the model sold by very small cellular companies. I can't vouch for other models besides the one i have but my alltel xt1050 was able to be unlocked officially via moto website. I was also able to install twrp on it.
But it gets more complex. There are apparently different firmware versions for each different xt1050 model. see this page here https://motorola-global-portal.custhelp.com/app/answers/prod_answer_detail/a_id/94927/p/30,6720,8696 (under ACG Regional Carriers). Now what, if anything, is different between the different firmware numbers... I've no idea.
Finally, according to this post http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=56803257&postcount=60 the xt1050 actually shares the same fcc number as the xt1060. This is pretty much all the info I've gathered.

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I can partially answer that. the xt1050 is a device sold by 'regional carriers'. for example, I have an xt1050 but which was sold by alltel. there are other xt1050 models sold by Inland Cellular, Illinois Valley Cellular etc. Basically the xt1050 was the model sold by very small cellular companies. I can't vouch for other models besides the one i have but my alltel xt1050 was able to be unlocked officially via moto website. I was also able to install twrp on it.
But it gets more complex. There are apparently different firmware versions for each different xt1050 model. see this page here https://motorola-global-portal.custhelp.com/app/answers/prod_answer_detail/a_id/94927/p/30,6720,8696 (under ACG Regional Carriers). Now what, if anything, is different between the different firmware numbers... I've no idea.
Finally, according to this post http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=56803257&postcount=60 the xt1050 actually shares the same fcc number as the xt1060. This is pretty much all the info I've gathered.
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So what does it exactly meaan?
I am using v 1060 verizon outside the US.
Working well, haven't rooted yet and been waiting for Android L.

stevedat said:
So what does it exactly meaan?
I am using v 1060 verizon outside the US.
Working well, haven't rooted yet and been waiting for Android L.
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Can someone, say whether xt1060 is easier to root and cheaper than the former?
The 1050 is an AT&T, with 1060 being Verizon, which is more likely to cause less problemsin EU over the course of its use?

snejkatamie007 said:
Can someone, say whether xt1060 is easier to root and cheaper than the former?
The 1050 is an AT&T, with 1060 being Verizon, which is more likely to cause less problemsin EU over the course of its use?
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I have found that XT1060 means Verizon carrier - read it from a thread on somewhere of the 4rum.
I am owning that one using out of the US and everyting works fine for me now.
Rooting is just like playing around with the Rom there is nothing else.
A custom rom lacks Moto features, such as: active display, spotty, etc - a big díappointment!
Android L is pretty good with material design, but that is the only thing.

stevedat said:
I have found that XT1060 means Verizon carrier - read it from a thread on somewhere of the 4rum.
I am owning that one using out of the US and everyting works fine for me now.
Rooting is just like playing around with the Rom there is nothing else.
A custom rom lacks Moto features, such as: active display, spotty, etc - a big díappointment!
Android L is pretty good with material design, but that is the only thing.
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I am finding it hard to believe that Verizon phones are working worries free outwith the US with European. if I recall correctly Europe being Gsm network where Verizon phones are the other one. I really don't know, I will be going for AT&T over Verizon despite it's lack of customizability. Very disappointing ****!

snejkatamie007 said:
I am finding it hard to believe that Verizon phones are working worries free outwith the US with European. if I recall correctly Europe being Gsm network where Verizon phones are the other one. I really don't know, I will be going for AT&T over Verizon despite it's lack of customizability. Very disappointing ****!
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I got this vrz moto x 2013 by exchanging with my sony phone. I am an asian buddy. In the back of my phone there is a logo with Verizon carrier.
I am running 4.4.4 and being happy with it. Moto's features are cool stuffs.
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What country are you living in? thanks
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snejkatamie007 said:
I am finding it hard to believe that Verizon phones are working worries free outwith the US with European. if I recall correctly Europe being Gsm network where Verizon phones are the other one. I really don't know, I will be going for AT&T over Verizon despite it's lack of customizability. Very disappointing ****!
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All Verizon LTE phones come SIM unlocked, meaning that they work fine on GSM carriers. The only problem that might show up is that LTE bands will likely not match, meaning the device is limited to HSPA+.
As for which is easier to root, the Verizon one will not be easy to root unless it's a developer edition. The XT1050 might be easily rootable, but there may be trouble using it on GSM carriers. It is not the ATT version of the X, rather it is the version used for smaller regional US carriers. The ATT version of the X is the XT1058 (also the version number for the Rogers Canada model). If I remember right, there are a few threads of people having problems SIM unlocking the XT1050 to use with carriers other than US Cellular (but you might need to search that info out).

HeroOfTime said:
All Verizon LTE phones come SIM unlocked, meaning that they work fine on GSM carriers. The only problem that might show up is that LTE bands will likely not match, meaning the device is limited to HSPA+.
As for which is easier to root, the Verizon one will not be easy to root unless it's a developer edition. The XT1050 might be easily rootable, but there may be trouble using it on GSM carriers. It is not the ATT version of the X, rather it is the version used for smaller regional US carriers. The ATT version of the X is the XT1058 (also the version number for the Rogers Canada model). If I remember right, there are a few threads of people having problems SIM unlocking the XT1050 to use with carriers other than US Cellular (but you might need to search that info out).
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Yes, I am referring to x1058, respectivelly At&T, I have no knowledge over a 1060, as the supplier only does 1058 and the Verizon one. With that being said, and by you marking Verizon bootloader unlockable, I guess I have no choice but to go with the AT&T and get a sunrise right after. ****e!
ps/ The dealer does infact says the Verizon one comes sim unlocked, but still the lack of customizability renders it rather unattractive in my mind!

snejkatamie007 said:
Yes, I am referring to x1058, respectivelly At&T, I have no knowledge over a 1060, as the supplier only does 1058 and the Verizon one. With that being said, and by you marking Verizon bootloader unlockable, I guess I have no choice but to go with the AT&T and get a sunrise right after. ****e!
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Sorry if I wasn't clear. The XT1060 is the Verizon Moto X model number, the XT1050 is not. I believe the XT1050, which is used for regional carriers, has CDMA capabilities like the Verizon model (again, the XT1060). If it's still on 4.4.2, the Verizon model can be unlocked via Sunshine as well, but your best bet for compatibility is the AT&T 1058, since it has the widest range of LTE bands. Good luck!

HeroOfTime said:
Sorry if I wasn't clear. The XT1060 is the Verizon Moto X model number, the XT1050 is not. I believe the XT1050, which is used for regional carriers, has CDMA capabilities like the Verizon model (again, the XT1060). If it's still on 4.4.2, the Verizon model can be unlocked via Sunshine as well, but your best bet for compatibility is the AT&T 1058, since it has the widest range of LTE bands. Good luck!
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Yes , that's in line with what I was thinking of. I will go with the at&t and hope for the best!
thanks-

Vietnam
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What country are you living in? thanks
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Vietnam

So can i use xt1050 on gsm carriers in US and outside US? thanks

[Q] 64GB CDMA Moto Maxx (XT1250) - does it exist?

I have Verizon and don't want the locked down Droid Turbo, and the idea that the XT1250 is virtually the same thing and unlockable has got my geeky-bits tinglin', but I gotta have 64GB. I went through ChazzMatt's list but they only have 32GB (actually I couldn't get a hold of someone at Copper Valley and another one wouldn't talk to me since I wasn't a customer).
So the $64,000 question, does the XT1250 exist in a 64GB variety (and where can I get it )?

It was advertised by one regional carrier. They showed both 32GB and 64GB, but when someone called to actually check, they said all they had was the 32GB. Still, if they had the ad images, it must exist.

ChazzMatt said:
It was advertised by one regional carrier. They showed both 32GB and 64GB, but when someone called to actually check, they said all they had was the 32GB. Still, if they had the ad images, it must exist.
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Yeah I saw that in your thread...the carrier did eventually change their listing to remove the mention of 64GB. Unfortunately I don't have quite the wide knowledge of the wireless industry that you have to know of the other regional CDMA carriers. I already checked the ones in my area (Philly) but they're only GSM or in the process of converting to GSM (Cricket and MetroPCS).

sakasune said:
Yeah I saw that in your thread...the carrier did eventually change their listing to remove the mention of 64GB. Unfortunately I don't have quite the wide knowledge of the wireless industry that you have to know of the other regional CDMA carriers. I already checked the ones in my area (Philly) but they're only GSM or in the process of converting to GSM (Cricket and MetroPCS).
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One thing you have to know is take "exclusive" claims with a grain of salt. The XT1254 was NEVER exclusive to Verizon. Yes that model number, that name, so what. The same phone under the model name XT1250 Moto Maxx with the SAME FCC ID is the same phone. Anyone who argues with that shows how little they actually know about phones. An FCC ID is a unique identifier. It imparts legal responsibilities/liabilities for stuff like the American Disability Act (ADA) for deaf people, etc.
When we see the XT1250 and XT1254 share the same FCC ID, that's the end of any argument for informed, intelligent people -- no matter how big a Verizon fanboi they might be. And citing CNET articles (like someone laughably did) doesn't refute an FCC ID. CNET was just repeating Verizon's marketing puffery. If you read closely, Verizon never said the DEVICE was exclusive. They said the "Droid Turbo" was exclusive... Well, they own the rights to the Droid name, so can't argue there.
I'll give you an example from a few years ago. The LG Revolution came to Verizon. It was a top tier LTE "exclusive" phone. Blah, blah, blah. Then it came to a regional CDMA/LTE carrier as the LG Esteem. SAME EXACT PHONE, just a different name. When I rooted it, inside the media folder I found the Verizon bootup animation and audio files were also present! LG didn't even bother removing those! They just added the bootup animation for the other carrier. Meanwhile Verizon was still touting '"EXCLUSIVE" LG Revolution. Like I said, a grain of salt.
This is the dirty little secret of the cell phone business. There's a lot of smaller regional CDMA/LTE carriers (NOT MVNOs, real carriers) who do have roaming agreements with Verizon and Sprint, but are standalone carriers with their own spectrum in their own markets. They are not big enough for major manufacturers to build models specifically for them. Some are even "member only" co-ops communities in remote mountainous regions, like in Appalachia. So, these carriers get the same models Verizon and Sprint get -- but just a different model name. Same FCC ID and everything. Verizon gets to claim it's "exclusive" because the model name is different, but the DEVICE is the same. These other models for smaller carriers don't get national/international press attention. It all flies under the radar, unless you know how this system all works.
Some of these carriers are so small that Motorola/Lenovo won't even deal directly with them, they buy from a wholesaler. So, if you find the wholesaler that is selling these XT1250 phones, there's where you can find if any 64GB variants exist.

Sorry to bump an old thread, but is it possible to find an XT1250 (64GB) that's unlocked and can run on GSM networks?
I'm on AT&T, and I'm wondering if it would even be possible to use a Droid Turbo/Moto Maxx/whatever you want to call it on ATT or some other GSM network.
Thanks-in-advance and sorry of it's a dumb question.

you, sir, need an xt1225 (gsm) which you can find easily. @ChazzMatt has proved that one works perfectly on ATT. (he has a couple of them).

Yeah, you want the XT1225 which is the same as the Droid Turbo, just GSM only (no CDMA). Also I heard from one seller on swappa that the XT1250 (CDMA+GSM) does not come in a 64GB version (oddly the XT1225 comes ONLY in 64GB).

I just purchased this one of Amazon. It states that it will run on GSM even though its the XT1250. Will it work on ATT? Thanks.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B017I1RND0?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00

tranemonk33 said:
I just purchased this one of Amazon. It states that it will run on GSM even though its the XT1250. Will it work on ATT? Thanks.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B017I1RND0?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00
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I thought that the XT1250 was GSM+CDMA but one of the reviews said that voice but not data works on T-Mobile (or they had to bring it to T-Mobile for them to set up the APNs). You can bring it to AT&T and see if they can help
http://smile.amazon.com/gp/customer.../ref=cm_cr_pr_rvw_ttl?ie=UTF8&ASIN=B017I1RND0

Xt1250 gsm doesnt work finland

So, i've been trying to help @Wile_e with his xt1250 let me start from the beginning.
he bought an XT1250 for Cellcom, He wants to use GSM while he is on Finland and Wants to use CDMA on verizon on USA.
Actually he is trying to use with Carrier Saunalahti the carrier uses 900/1800/2100 GSM bands and those are supported by Droid Turbo/ Moto Maxx.
For some reason when he pops in the sim card he says it cant found any networks, but he puts it in on a RAZR I and it works.
I made him look into Global mode and GSM/LTE, also nothing.
First thing i made him do was, Unlock the bootloader.
Then i made him install the unbranded Firmware for XT1250.
He did that, nothing changed, no networks detected.
Then i made him flash droid turbo radio, same nothing happened and lost wifi, so, thats not a way.
so im thinking as xt1250 is closer to moto maxx, recommend him flash moto maxx kitkat radio, but im afraid it will lose the CDMA properties.
im also thinking into flashing full lollipop but that would make him not come back to stock xt1250 firmware due to gt.bin updating.
i also remember someone said that moto turbo firmware and radio had both options but im not sure.
what do you guys think will be a good solution?
invoking the help of @chazzmat , @Semseddin , @Skrilax_CZ

Has he actually tried to choose an APN?
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The way my Moto Maxx was locked to Claro until the dealer unlocked it, could be something similar? Can an online service "unlock" it for him?

I was thinking last night we tried to use the XT1250 original with the Droid Turbo radio. What if we used the radio from cyanogenmod? I imagine that team has unlocked all radios, no?

I think it is not globally unlocked like like XT1254 since it has the basic gsm bands for sure.

ChazzMatt said:
The way my Moto Maxx was locked to Claro until the dealer unlocked it, could be something similar? Can an online service "unlock" it for him?
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Semseddin said:
I think it is not globally unlocked like like XT1254 since it has the basic gsm bands for sure.
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This phone definitely works with Verizon (many, many people have proved this) -- but this specific carrier (Cellcom) may have locked the global capabilities. Just needs to be unlocked.
How to Unlock Motorola Phones
http://www.wikihow.com/Unlock-Motorola-Phones-with-Windows
When you buy a new mobile phone you will probably get a good deal by signing up with a service provider at the same time. To make sure you stick with the plan, your service provider will lock your phone, making it impossible to use the phone with other providers or take advantage of the full GSM capabilities of your handset when traveling the world. Nor will you be able to use your sim card in other phones, or other sim cards in your phone. Unlocking the phone gets rid of these limitations and allows you to use multiple sim cards and multiple providers on your phone, in addition to greatly increasing the resale value of the phone.
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http://www.cellcom.com/unlocking-devices.html said:
Unlocking Devices
Cellcom does not lock most devices, including devices that were released after February 2015. Our devices are typically not programmed with locks or unique service programming codes, so there is no need to perform any "unlocking". "Unlocking" a device refers only to disabling software that would prevent a consumer from attempting to activate a device designed for one carrier's network on another carrier's network, even if that network is technologically compatible.
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This is from cellcom page

Jaocagomez said:
This is from cellcom page
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Well, the phone was released before Februrary 2015, and they say "most".
Something is blocking the GSM.
I still haven't heard that he changed to LTE/GSM from LTE/CDMA/GSM. I know he wants to use CDMA in U.S. but for now change it just to see...
Also haven't heard that he manually chose an APN.
Those were my other two suggestions...
Then there's the unlocking thing to try, even if Cellcom claims it's not locked.

ChazzMatt said:
Well, the phone was released before Februrary 2015, and they say "most".
Something is blocking the GSM.
I still haven't heard that he changed to LTE/GSM from LTE/CDMA/GSM. I know he wants to use CDMA in U.S. but for now change it just to see...
Also haven't heard that he manually chose an APN.
Those were my other two suggestions...
Then there's the unlocking thing to try, even if Cellcom claims it's not locked.
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he already did the apn things and band stuff. maybe the phone its from the last year so not yet unlocked?

Yes I've tried all suggestions, sorry for not posting earlier about it. I suppose I could try the unlocking, don't see a downside to trying. But wouldn't flashing a new ROM/Radio bypass that lock anyway?

I'm going to attempt contacting the carrier for an unlock code, but I am not too hopeful as I am not a customer of theirs. In the event they say no, does anybody know of a reputable imei unlocking company? I'd prefer not to trust the first one in my google results. Thanks!

Swiftunlocks.com
Sent from my XT1225 using XDA Free mobile app

Radio is likely not to be compatible, since there is actual HW difference (you can flash the radio from Brazil XT1225, and in build.prop under /system change ro.fsg-id from "lra" to "singlela"), same thing needs to be done when using verizon radio I think, but unsure if that doesn't have the XT1250 LRA bundled with itself. You can switch to VZW radio if you change ro.fsg-id from "lra' to "verizon". To play with ro.fsg-id, check the files under /fsg - then the radio will select the one in format as: quark_XXXX_N.img.gz, where N is just some number and it XXXX is what's under your ro.fsg-id.
You can try lollipop for VZW freely with unlocked bootloader, since not being to able to downgrade bootloader / gpt.bin isn't a big deal with that (just be careful not to re-lock your device or apply OTA after downgrade).

Semseddin said:
Swiftunlocks.com
Sent from my XT1225 using XDA Free mobile app
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Thanks but unfortunately the Moto Maxx is not listed as one of their phones that can be unlocked. And not surprising no other imei unlocker that I've found has it listed as an un-lockable device.
If that was good enough news, here's some more.
From a discussion with Cellcom today:
Cellcom: There is no way to unlock it with our system. The process cannot be reversed if it was locked. Our company does not have that ability.
Looks like I am scrod, unless I can navigate the unlocking process manually.

I believe in what Cellcom told to you, You might try your luck contacting motorola usa - white gloves deparment. Btw did you try another foreign simcard from another operator in your maxx ? (assuming the simcard is broken)

Semseddin said:
I believe in what Cellcom told to you, You might try your luck contacting motorola usa - white gloves deparment. Btw did you try another foreign simcard from another operator in your maxx ? (assuming the simcard is broken)
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I haven't tried another SIM but I do use this SIM currently in my other phone, the Moto RAZR I. I also used this same SIM in my Droid Turbo when it was still alive. So I don't think it's the SIM card.

wile e said:
Thanks but unfortunately the Moto Maxx is not listed as one of their phones that can be unlocked. And not surprising no other imei unlocker that I've found has it listed as an un-lockable device.
If that was good enough news, here's some more.
From a discussion with Cellcom today:
Cellcom: There is no way to unlock it with our system. The process cannot be reversed if it was locked. Our company does not have that ability.
Looks like I am scrod, unless I can navigate the unlocking process manually.
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I wish they could give you a clear answer if it's locked or not.
That's the only reason I can come up with at the moment.
By law U.S. carriers are required to unlock phones so you can use on other carriers.
I would remind them of that, see if it motivates them to help you.

It appears I have come to a dead end. We have exhausted all suggestions here as well as all ideas that have arisen in-between. Thanks to all that offered support, especially @Jaocagomez. It is all appreciated.
When I head back Stateside I will be selling this phone and picking up another Droid Turbo.
Cheers.

Actually there's a thing that doesn't seem right. I've just noticed on the screens (in the other thread) that it does not recognise that the SIM is inserted, while if it's a carrier lock, it should usually recognise inserted SIM but refuse to register on the network. I wonder if there's actual hardware problem with reading the SIM card.
btw. Anyway I'd recommend buying XT1225 over XT1254, works just fine with Sonera and and supports all their 4G bands, and so it does in US for AT&T.

Skrilax_CZ said:
Actually there's a thing that doesn't seem right. I've just noticed on the screens (in the other thread) that it does not recognise that the SIM is inserted, while if it's a carrier lock, it should usually recognise inserted SIM but refuse to register on the network. I wonder if there's actual hardware problem with reading the SIM card.
btw. Anyway I'd recommend buying XT1225 over XT1254, works just fine with Sonera and and supports all their 4G bands, and so it does in US for AT&T.
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No it does recognize the SIM is inserted, but cannot connect to any tower. I've taken some screenshots with the SIM unloaded as I still need to communicate (via my Razr I).
Unfortunately I need the CDMA portion of the XT1254, this is why I took such a gamble on the XT1250. Where I work in NY Verizon (CDMA) is the strongest signal by far.
The odd part is we're switching our service from Saunalahti to Elisa, and for a moment I inserted the yet-to-be activated SIM into my XT1250 and for a moment it recognized Sonera and Elisa's networks. But I couldn't do anything since the SIM was not activated. It might have been a fluke, but it gave me hope for a bit longer.
I still cannot understand how I can unlock the bootloader, re flash new ROMs, update the radios but still have the GSM bands 'locked'. This should be solvable. I just don't have the knowledge in this field to go any further, but this still feels to me like something is missing. It kills me to give up on this handset.

Ah I see. It still doesn't make much sense. Moto used to only lock other US carriers. Hmm anyway I wonder if you happen to have your IMEI blacklisted on Saunalahti / Elisa (more info: http://asiakastuki.elisa.fi/ohje/8/ ).
Also radio is separate from unlocking the bootloader, signature is enforcef there despite unlocking the boooader, for security & certification reasons. That's why it still doesn't help if it's sim locked.

Need new Turbo - can I downgrade firmware so I can unlock boot?

Hey all - long story short, GF and I both have Turbos and still absolutely love them. We're also grandfathered in to Verizon's unlimited data, and being rooted/unlocked is a *lifesaver* with the wifi hotspot.
She *destroyed* her phone last week by accident - it still connects via bluetooth but the screen won't even turn on. A new screen is $250, but a refurb Turbo on Ebay is $130ish, so I'm looking for one there. BUT - I know it's got to be SU4TL-44 or lower or I can't unlock the bootloader. I've tried three different respectable Ebay vendors to see if they've got any phones with that firmware or lower, and they all either "are sorry we are unable to answer this question" or said it's all new stock with new firmware.
So I had a thought today........is there any chance I can flash SU4TL-44 to an Ebay refurb phone with current firmware? Will that open back up the Sunshine exploit?
Many, many thanks, all!! You're lifesavers in advance.

No, you cannot downgrade to -44 and allow it to be rooted.
I would suggest getting a non-Verizon version of the phone... I forget the model number, but I think ChazzMatt has posted this repeatedly here, and pointed people to getting a different model number that is always rootable and still compatible with VZ's network.

Great to know!! Sent him a PM, but looks like the xt1250 may be the way to go sure appreciate it, schwinn!

thetastycat said:
Great to know!! Sent him a PM, but looks like the xt1250 may be the way to go sure appreciate it, schwinn!
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Yes, it's the XT1250.
In the future you can also check Swappa beside eBay. People there (for the most part) tend to be individual sellers who would answer your firmware question.
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See this post:
"dev" version of the Droid Turbo XT1254
http://forum.xda-developers.com/droid-turbo/general/dev-version-droid-turbo-xt1254-t3391792
The Verizon guy broke his XT1254 and bought XT1250 as replacement, because of course it's identical.

thetastycat said:
Hey Chazz - someone just pointed me in your direction; hoping you might be able to give me a little advice about getting a Droid Turbo that I can root/unlock!
I did find one of the threads - just so I'm clear, basically I can get a refurb (or new) xt1250, then unlock the bootloader? I've done it to two Turbos; any chance the process is similar?
Many, many thanks!
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Easier to unlock your bootloader with any other Quark than the Droid Turbo XT1254.
You just get an unlock code for free from Motorola, and enter it in. Your bootloader is then unlocked. Only Verizon makes Motorola keep their Quark locked down. Other carriers who sold Quarks don't care, and some Quarks were sold directly from Motorola website without any carrier affiliation.
The XT1250, sold by many regional U.S. CDMA/LTE carriers is identical to the XT1254 -- same FCC ID, same radio bands, same hardware. The only "exclusive" Verizon had was a locked down bootloader.
Even the "Turbo" name is not exclusive. The XT1225 Quark sold in India is the Moto Turbo. So, when people say, "I have a Turbo" -- makes me want to ask WHICH Turbo do you have?
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The XT1225 and XT1254/XT1250 all share LTE bands 2, 3, 4, 7.
The XT1225 additionally has LTE band 5 and 17 (more bands used by AT&T).
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The XT1254/XT1250 instead has LTE band 13 (Verizon LTE band), plus CDMA bands. While it does have some HSPA bands, there's not as many as in the XT1225.
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ChazzMatt said:
Easier to unlock your bootloader with any other Quark than the Droid Turbo XT1254.
You just get an unlock code for free from Motorola, and enter it in. Your bootloader is then unlocked. Only Verizon makes Motorola keep their Quark locked down. Other carriers who sold Quarks don't care, and some Quarks were sold directly from Motorola website without any carrier affiliation.
The XT1250, sold by many regional U.S. CDMA/LTE carriers is identical to the XT1254 -- same FCC ID, same radio bands, same hardware. The only "exclusive" Verizon had was a locked down bootloader.
Even the "Turbo" name is not exclusive. The XT1225 Quark sold in India is the Moto Turbo. So, when people say, "I have a Turbo" -- makes me want to ask WHICH Turbo do you have? [emoji14]
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The XT1225 and XT1254/XT1250 all share LTE bands 2, 3, 4, 7.
The XT1225 additionally has LTE band 5 and 17 (more bands used by AT&T).
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The XT1254/XT1250 instead has LTE band 13 (Verizon LTE band), plus CDMA bands. While it does have some HSPA bands, there's not as many as in the XT1225.
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Please answer one question,
You mentioned that all quarks have same hardware like they have Qualcomm snapdragon 805 chipset,
Then how it is possible that some carrier Brands have additional bands than the other carrier quarks.
Some bands are common in all carriers while some offer additional bands owing the same chipset.
How this phenomenon works???

Nido221 said:
Please answer one question,
You mentioned that all quarks have same hardware like they have Qualcomm snapdragon 805 chipset,
Then how it is possible that some carrier Brands have additional bands than the other carrier quarks.
Some bands are common in all carriers while some offer additional bands owing the same chipset.
How this phenomenon works???
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It works like with all other Android phones. For instance, all 2013 LG G2, 2014 LG G3, 2015 LG G4 for various carriers/countries all have the same hardware -- but different radio bands, different FCC ID's.
Go look at the LG G4 Verizon version vs the AT&T version vs LG G4 sold in Europe. You will see some common LTE bands, some different.
I haven't checked AT&T's LG G2, LG G3, LG G4 -- but the AT&T versions probably don't have LTE band 13, yet but Verizon does. AT&T and Verizon probably doesn't have Europe LTE band 20. Yet they all these models have the same hardware. Same Qualcomm Snapdragon chipset, same cameras, same displays, and they are the same phone series (for each year)
Of the QUARKS, the XT1250 U.S. Moto Maxx and XT1254 Droid Turbo have the same FCC ID. They have the same radio bands.
The XT1225 Moto Maxx and XT1225 Moto Turbo share a different FCC ID and they have the same radio bands.
If you are suggesting some XT1225 have different radio bands than other XT1225, you are wrong. All the XT1225 (Motor Maxx, Moto Turbo) have the same bands, no matter where sold. Motorola did not list all the bands initially, but we found them anyway. Then for India, Motorola finally admitted admitted all the HSPA/LTE bands for the XT1225.

ChazzMatt said:
It works like with all other Android phones. For instance, all 2013 LG G2, 2014 LG G3, 2015 LG G4 for various carriers/countries all have the same hardware -- but different radio bands, different FCC ID's.
Go look at the LG G4 Verizon version vs the AT&T version vs LG G4 sold in Europe. You will see some common LTE bands, some different.
I haven't checked AT&T's LG G2, LG G3, LG G4 -- but the AT&T versions probably don't have LTE band 13, yet but Verizon does. AT&T and Verizon probably doesn't have Europe LTE band 20. Yet they all these models have the same hardware. Same Qualcomm Snapdragon chipset, same cameras, same displays, and they are the same phone series (for each year)
Of the QUARKS, the XT1250 U.S. Moto Maxx and XT1254 Droid Turbo have the same FCC ID. They have the same radio bands.
The XT1225 Moto Maxx and XT1225 Moto Turbo share a different FCC ID and they have the same radio bands.
If you are suggesting some XT1225 have different radio bands than other XT1225, you are wrong. All the XT1225 (Motor Maxx, Moto Turbo) have the same bands, no matter where sold. Motorola did not list all the bands initially, but we found them anyway. Then for India, Motorola finally admitted admitted all the HSPA/LTE bands for the XT1225.
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Thank you very much for your answer. However, it ends then at the following conclusions...
1...One chipset(radio) have all the frequency bands for gsm,cdma,hspa and lte bands.
2... It is the OEM that determines which frequency or band is to make available according to Carrier requirements.
3...OEM can lock or unlock different bands despite that the Chipset is a global one which can provide all Bands.
Then the question arises either it is possible that a developer or a device owner can lock or unlock some specific bands according to their will or requirement[emoji782]

Nido221 said:
Thank you very much for your answer. However, it ends then at the following conclusions...
1...One chipset(radio) have all the frequency bands for gsm,cdma,hspa and lte bands.
2... It is the OEM that determines which frequency or band is to make available according to Carrier requirements.
3...OEM can lock or unlock different bands despite that the Chipset is a global one which can provide all Bands.
Then the question arises either it is possible that a developer or a device owner can lock or unlock some specific bands according to their will or requirement[emoji782]
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Yes. Some people have unlocked HSPA and LTE bands on some snapdragon chipset phones.
One Plus and Galaxy Samsung in particular. Do a Google search for "unlock LTE bands snapdragon".
It depends on the manufacturer workflow, whether the additional bands can be unlocked and the hardware (antenna) has to be able to receive the bands.

You guys are amazing - thank you!! Moto Maxx just arrived and I put the old SIM card in. It will place and receive calls as the correct number, but mobile data's not working - I just get an exclamation mark next to the bars. Any ideas?
Many thanks!!

Oddly enough, when it's connected to wifi, it shows full bars of 4g! But as soon as I disconnect wifi, back to the bars with exclamation mark
Your help is greatly appreciated!

thetastycat said:
Oddly enough, when it's connected to wifi, it shows full bars of 4g! But as soon as I disconnect wifi, back to the bars with exclamation mark
Your help is greatly appreciated!
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Where are you, which carrier?
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EDIT: OK, from your past posts it looks like you ordered the XT1250 U.S. Moto Maxx and you are on Verizon? (Sorry for not remembering, can't keep up with everyone.) I wrote this below before I investigated your past posts. Some may apply to you, some may not. There are others here who are on Verizon with the XT1250 -- find out which APN they are using.
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Sounds like an APN issue. I'm on AT&T in the U.S. with XT1225 and several APNs are are shown as available. If I choose one which uses AT&T network, but for which I am not authorized (like an MVNO), it will show bars with an exclamation point. It means a signal is present, but I cannot use it successfully.
I have to choose the correct APN.
Same thing happened when I went to Brazil last year with "international" data SIM card. I had to choose the correct APN to get data. Other APNs would show up as choices. The U.K. service I ordered the SIM card from helped me with their tech support as their printed installation instructions were a little off.
If you are sure you are using the correct APN, then you need to contact your carrier. For some reason they are blocking you from data. For instance, some carriers only allow their branded phones. Or their Level 2 tech support may need more information about the phone. (Better suggestion might be to talk to others here on XDA who have the XT1250 on Verizon.)

Chazz, you beat me to it - was just about to reply that it was an APN issue! To Verizon's credit, they spent an hour with me trying all kinds of stuff to no avail. But, they were positive about me using a non-verizon phone on Verizon - I expected the opposite. Finally heard back from the seller, who asked if I'd done APN stuff, which was the first I'd heard of APN. I googled Verizon APN and plugged in the first set I found and it worked like a charm. I'm a little surprised a. that the seller wouldn't include any documentation about this since it was advertised as working on other networks, Verizon specifically, and b. that Verizon tech support, even the higher tier, wouldn't have known to do this.
Chazz, she *loves* her new phone, and it's all thanks to you. THANK you!!!!!!

XT1250 for the win
thetastycat said:
Hey all - long story short, GF and I both have Turbos and still absolutely love them. We're also grandfathered in to Verizon's unlimited data, and being rooted/unlocked is a *lifesaver* with the wifi hotspot.
She *destroyed* her phone last week by accident - it still connects via bluetooth but the screen won't even turn on. A new screen is $250, but a refurb Turbo on Ebay is $130ish, so I'm looking for one there. BUT - I know it's got to be SU4TL-44 or lower or I can't unlock the bootloader.
I've tried three different respectable Ebay vendors to see if they've got any phones with that firmware or lower, and they all either "are sorry we are unable to answer this question" or said it's all new stock with new firmware.
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ChazzMatt said:
Yes, it's the XT1250.
See this post:
"dev" version of the Droid Turbo XT1254
http://forum.xda-developers.com/droid-turbo/general/dev-version-droid-turbo-xt1254-t3391792
The Verizon guy broke his XT1254 and bought XT1250 as replacement, because of course it's identical.
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thetastycat said:
You guys are amazing - thank you!! Moto Maxx (XT1250) just arrived and I put the old (Verizon) SIM card in. It will place and receive calls as the correct number, but mobile data's not working - I just get an exclamation mark next to the bars. Any ideas?
Many thanks!!
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thetastycat said:
Chazz, you beat me to it - was just about to reply that it was an APN issue! To Verizon's credit, they spent an hour with me trying all kinds of stuff to no avail.
Finally heard back from the seller, who asked if I'd done APN stuff, which was the first I'd heard of APN. I googled Verizon APN and plugged in the first set I found and it worked like a charm.
Chazz, she *loves* her new phone, and it's all thanks to you. THANK you!!!!!!
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And since it's an Moto XT1250, you can easily unlock the bootloader (for free) and root -- which you've probably already done. While Sunshine is GREAT and the devs who came up with it are dedicated geniuses, now that SUTL-49 is appearing more and more even on refurbs, the U.S. Moto XT1250 is still very much the "dev" version of the Droid Turbo XT1254.
Exact same device -- same hardware specs, same radio bands, same FCC ID, just sold in the U.S. to at least a dozen other regional CMDA/LTE carriers under a different model name/number. (Not MVNOs, but actual carriers with their own spectrum and towers.) And the U.S. Moto Maxx XT1250 runs on Verizon with a Verizon SIM card just like a non-Verizon Moto Nexus 6.
I know to regular readers I seemingly repeat this a lot, but you would not believe all the people who REALLY, truly believed Verizon's crap about this "Droid Turbo" phone being a world-wide "exclusive". It wasn't even exclusive in the U.S.! And the tech media just copied and pasted Verizon's press releases verbatim. (Only the "Droid" name and locked-down bootloader was exclusive -- not the device. The device was NOT exclusive to Verizon.)
I actually know about the cell phone industry, because I haven't always been on one the Big 4. I've actually used a regional CDMA/LTE carrier before, and I know how the business side of this stuff works, where so-called "exclusive" phones show up under different model names/numbers. Plus, I have a business degree, so I research a lot of this stuff for fun. It interests me.
When I first started publicizing the XT1250 being a clone of the XT1254 well over a year ago now, I got a lot of angry pushback from Verizon users here in XDA who did not want to believe their precious Droid Turbo was not the world-wide exclusive Verizon claimed it was.
I now have three XT1225 -- with full AT&T bands -- but at the time I only had two. That made them mad enough, that the sibling Quark Moto Maxx XT1225 had easily unlocked bootloader and was THE SAME device as the Droid Turbo, just with different radio bands. (PERFECT for U.S. AT&T!) Just like an LG G4 for Verizon (VS986) will have different bands than the LG G4 for AT&T (H810) -- but it's STILL an "LG G4" with the same hardware specs. A Moto Quark is a Quark, no matter the radio bands. It's just a Quark for a different carrier. The Droid Turbo users in this forum had to get used to the idea there were "Quarks" (plural), not just the Droid Turbo.
This article was laughably wrong:
Why the Verizon-exclusive Droid Turbo is actually good for you
as was this one:
The Motorola Droid Turbo on Verizon boasts a 48-hour battery life
But Verizon still gets Motorola exclusives, and the latest, the Droid Turbo, may be the most desirable Motorola phone this season.
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There were HUNDREDS of articles all over the internet, copying and pasting Verizon's blather about an "exclusive" superphone.
But wait!
Droid Turbo not a Verizon exclusive after all, as Moto teases Brazilian launch
So, no "world-wide" exclusive! Besides the XT1254, there was also the "international" Moto Maxx XT1225. Also, Motorola then released the XT1225 as the Moto Turbo in another country, so even the "Turbo" name was not exclusive. (This was before the forums were split and we were all in one forum.) "I have the Turbo" < WHICH Turbo do you have? There's more than one!
But then knowing Motorola also released a U.S. Moto Maxx XT1250 with easily unlocked bootloader -- with the same radio bands, same FCC ID as the XT1254 -- just threw them over the edge. There was a running 3 or 4 page argument, while I PROVED I was right. Mod warnings were actually given. But when I PROVED beyond a doubt the XT1250 had the same FCC ID as the Droid Turbo XT1254 that shut up the naysayers. FCC ID don't lie.
For those who don't know, there's the American Disabilities Act (ADA), and how handicapped people are able to use communication devices regulated by the FCC is linked to huge fines, potentially even prison sentences, and of course multi-million dollar class action lawsuits. That was actually where I first found the FCC ID for the XT1250, on a website for hard of hearing/deaf people. If two devices have the same FCC ID, they are the exact same device with no difference whatsoever. Companies like Motorola/Lenovo are not going to risk the liabilities to get something like that wrong.
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WHAT IS ADA COMPLIANCE?
The Department of Justice (DOJ) published the Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA) Standards for Accessible Design in September 2010. These standards state that all electronic and information technology must be accessible to people with disabilities.
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Telecommunications Access for People with Disabilities
Do companies need to review all their products and services for accessibility and usability?
Yes. Accessibility and usability must be assessed for individual products and services. Accessibility features that can be incorporated into the design of products or services with very little or no difficulty or expense must be put in each and every product or service.
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To the U.S. government, it doesn't matter what model name you have, what model number for a communications device. The FCC ID is the identifier. No matter what Verizon says, the FCC ID shows the truth.
I am very happy to help people. And I am not a dev, by any means. But Verizon users knowing about this XT1250 alternative is going to save a lot of people some grief now that Verizon has locked out the Sunshine bootloader exploit. (Unless the Sunshine devs pull another trick out of their magician's hats and find another exploit.)
The 2014 Motorola Quark (XT1254/XT1250/XT1225) is still an excellent Android phone with a compilation of features that make it a winner. It was basically the 5.2" version of the whale Moto Nexus 6 -- and even with a bigger battery! Used/refurbs can be found for well under $200. Just this week, two more custom Marshmallow ROMs came online for the Quark (AOKP and Bliss), besides the CM13 and Marshmallow Resurrection Remix. All the Quarks except for the XT1254 Droid Turbo have easily unlocked bootloader. For the Droid Turbo only those on SUTL-44 firmware can be unlocked via Sunshine. But if you need Verizon and can't find an XT1254 with SUTL-44 (or lower, which can be upgraded to SUTL-44) then you can easily use an XT1250 instead of XT1254, unlock bootloader, root, install custom ROMs, etc.
Another XT1250 user on Verizon:
Bliss ROM
RL_Wells said:
I have the xt1250 on verizon...
my phone appears to be kicking a-- now.
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Chazz, you are absolutely a prince. Can't thank you enough! Seriously, I am having the *exact* same argument on a drone forum - I spent $200 swapping out a part to make my drone now identically capable to a higher model, and those who have my original model absolutely refuse to believe it. I meant the thread as a PSA about how easy and cheap it was so upgrade, but it's the SAME deal - those who are "stuck" (though in the drone case, they could easily upgrade, they'd just rather be stubborn) just aren't willing to consider the truth. I had to post live feed downlink videos to prove my point! But like you, I finally did.
Her refurb XT1250 seems even snappier than our XT1254s, perhaps because it's recently hard reset, but it's just a great phone. AND......I didn't even have to unlock/root it because wireless tethering just WORKS without having to do anything
Man, thanks again!!!